the jungle. doris moment arrives. joint direct attack on her journey back to freedom. in our interactive documentary. returns home on d w dot com tang's. says he won't let us be divided by thought he means muslims and christians in germany to many a surprising statement because it's pastor of the kaiser vilhelm the morrill church two years ago an islamist drove a truck into a crowd at the christmas market the surrounds the church killing twelve people and injuring many others we want to talk about the consequences of that attack and how it's still possible for him to celebrate christmas without fear. and

choose there was a terrorist attack at a christmas market and stroudsburg france. it was very similar to what we experienced here in berlin. and in this church where we are. in this in a way can memories of the summer nineteen twenty sixteen. and i'm constantly confronted with these memories of this time of year so the attack in france didn't exactly bring it all back but of course there are parallels just as there were with the attacks in barcelona and london. so when these things happen it triggers this memory and also focuses the mind again . because no matter where you are in public you face such a basic danger. as with that and at the same time i always think of the people in baghdad and in other parts of the world where it's

a terrible part of everyday life and borders. to hurt. others and. soon after the attack you were here at the bright lights talking to people praying with them. what made the biggest impression on you. when i was praying with this and these and iraq. and the intel on the night of the attack itself i talked to some of the people i knew from the christmas market as they described their shock saw and. we were trying to figure out what to do the next day or the bombs as the in the game but i'm also i had to go to work and organize things in the un and organised and it was no longer a matter of just praying together but holding a proper service for the victims. and it ended up being shown live on television with it on your list your fans are going to see it if you ask me what made the biggest impression of us i heard from politicians journalists and others that it

was a blessing that we could hold a service like this in this place of god for this and so do the because it was a step in the right direction. we won't let ourselves be driven apart or brought into conflict with each other but we stand together that was the main message of the service. and so that's why at the trough this is from the go to born therefore we have seen the trailer devastation from this attack which is already an incredibly brutal act as well yes for anyone with one or more human emotions it's impossible to understand how can you do something like that steer a heavy truck into a crowd with the intention of killing and seriously injuring many more people than he and ultimately did or. so that's incomprehensible for this wasn't just like a lot of things that happen in the world that cannot be grasped with normal human feelings and that at the same time show how broken people can be that they would do something like that. you've spoken to many victims who survived. you talk to the

relatives of the victims. yes. and feel these people's anger and how did you deal with it. by the mention of this incident as it is god put this there was anger and there still is anger. yes i personally believe that it's not good for one's own soul to live in eternal anger or having to keep it going forever . but you can still feel it now it has something to do with the fact that many things didn't go well in the beginning. such as the way the author orators dealt with the distress that so many people felt as if they were simply not prepared for something like this and that became clear over and over again as we found out about how investigators make mistakes and there was little communication between security agencies for food no matter how you look at it it's something i encountered again and again and i try to listen to people and i'll sometimes ask them if they had

noticed this or that. we tried again and again to make them aware how many people had come here to this church and to the class over weeks over months and they still do to express their sorrow and to tell them they are not alone and they will not be forgotten after they were hit so hard that they're. talking to people or just listening to them did you learn anything about yourself. he said to get out. as if i thought i was a bit surprised about myself how little anxiety it had caused me to feel. that i was really completely free of it so i could come here at any. time while i also heard from other people who couldn't bring themselves to come here to provide. that was not me and if i may speak frankly. i was very grateful for the fact that i obviously found the right words in the situations in which i was asked to give

a statement. of. water before. you also talk to politicians about johnson was here for memorial service. do you have the impression that politicians have done enough for the victims for the families we often hear and read that some do not feel the political system has taken them seriously but. i think a lot of things were dealt with inevitably. the fact that the chancellor for example did not meet the families for a long time is something she surely regrets in retrospect. but within the coordination between germany's leaders there is an agreement to the effect that if the president takes care of it then the president takes care of it and not the chancellor i believe these are things from which we will learn i'm inclined to say that everyone has tried their best for the. malleville attack in the heart of berlin carried out by a terrorist there were several inquiries that shine

a light on the motives behind this attack. there was talk of failure in the powers of the authorities and that led to an investigation did you follow everything that was being discussed in the political arena. the are yes i followed it very closely also with the way in which it was handled in the media which led to other aspects of such as how islam is dealt with in the media in germany but that also kept me very busy. he didn't like that it does have some of it i didn't like it or other parts i thought were highly respectable and a marine was the name of the attacker i read that you don't like to let his name cross your lips. i know this is a misunderstanding i use the name or i say it and why not but this was one of the points i didn't like in media reports that i asked myself why it was necessary at the beginning to show the photo of me and his name in every news report so it

wasn't necessary at all to tell the story but it frequently gave the impression that there was more to report about the perpetrator than about the victim's. identity of a member they said as they got under the god you believe in the forgiven understand mary what do you believe. i think that's a really tough question in our profession of faith it says i believe in the forgiveness of sins and in the lord's prayer we ask god to forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. every friday and our church tower which was left in ruins in the war we recites the prayer of reconciliation of coventry and this is based on the words of jesus on the cross father forgive them for they know not what they do but i believe that in the vastness of the divine heart if i may say so a little romantically there is still room for a person who does such a terrible thing to the world that is not something we can do and it is not for me

to speak of forgiveness from an ass at all. but i believe that this is going to weigh in i also believe not to diminish what he did that his life had been a cruel one or and is. yes so that's why i said earlier how broken a person must be who does something like that because. it was so that's not to excuse it but it should also mean that we shouldn't be sitting on a high horse and feeling infinitely morally superior aboard a horse that's more volatile and with you believing for zeal you also personally work to break. it. while it's because when you. attack happened i immediately assumed and it soon became obvious that it had an islamist background from would also form precisely this could lead to a situation in which the relationship between muslims and non muslims within society could be considerably strength of the first and from my previous knowledge

in dealing with the muslims i know that a very large part of them in our country is completely reject associating their own faith with this kind of violence that. so in that sense what a small small minority of people inspired by islamist ideas do in germany and in other countries must not be blamed on muslims as a whole. toward dollface to muslim us of. course you celebrate christmas it's your job your christian belief but if you've been doing it differently since the attack two years ago. why are. we celebrate christmas every year. knowing that terrible things are happening in the world and we remember that god has come as a light into the world and his son jesus christ as the christian tradition tells us so god comes into the darkness of the world and its hatred hostility indifference

stupidity ignorance selfishness and all to come close to us human beings and also to cause us to turn away from evil and bad way so far and that is the core of the christmas message. as it does as the eye candy the mom ended is that as always at the end of the d.w. interview we have three on finish sentences and i ask you to complete them in that sophia on. this it is right for the christmas market to take place every year at platts despite the attack because. the most terrible things that happened should not dissuade us from continuing to live our lives and to do so in happiness and gratitude. because no one thought christians and muslims have in common is. as we both believe and has gone to hell in bodies mercy. and calls on us to co-exist in peace. that. christmas is

so important to me because. it is a celebration of peace in a terribly unpeaceful well just like the one who is noted as zak the words of pastor martin gamma thank you very much for the interview and merry christmas thank you merry christmas to you to. do me. any copies in germany to learn german. published in the book why not learn with him online on the mobile and free to suffer from the w.c. learning course because vic. climate change. sustainability to move environmental projects we give globalisation a face biodiversity species conservation exploitation equality. human rights displacement polls show the global and current of the local

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