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thanks never like this thanks. to. the streets. or simply you any with all the wonderful people and stories make the game so special. for all. the senseless on line. so the summer of cups is almost finished the women's world cup the cup america and
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the gold cup are over and we are going to talk about is it then yeah are you ready . so let's start with the women's world cup of course because it was the biggest tournament this summer it was a welcome after all. the winner as united states not made the biggest surprises me well i mean we saw the u.s. come out strong and absolutely destroyed thailand but then i don't think a lot of their 13 know why but i don't think a lot of people were expecting i don't think it was as easy for them as people thought it was going to be which is a good speech for the level of world football in general i mean we saw spain really challenge them france england it was not a walk in the park any of those games were not easy so it's good to talk about the final against the netherlands you know the defending like their kind european champions you know a bit of an unexpected final maybe or do you think it was kind of one could expect
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that holland would go so far in the tournament well the netherlands like you said are the reigning world record for you european champions and they've had since the euros time to build on their squad is it hasn't changed very much and i mean they've had a lot of time working together so i don't think it was unexpected it wasn't like oh my goodness the netherlands where they come from we knew they were strong. now the usa that being said the usa has years and years and years of experience behind them so when they get to a final for them it's not like ok my god we're in the final what we do it's just another game for them they have another level and we've been saying this they just have something extra that a lot of other teams can compete with i mean even against england for example you know i was talking with my brothers about penalty shots for example and realistically when do you see these players from england or other countries in europe taking high pressure pelley shots in situations we can and we go there's not
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as many fans in the same so you know what i mean the u.s. though rapinoe steps up to take a polish shot you know before she gets there she can like yesterday in the final let's let's talk about the defined. you know because for quite a while it looked like. the netherlands were up to like maybe even going to extra time or so but then came a penalty v.a.r. made it happen and then rapinoe came up again and scored like yeah i mean she was blooded she's an assassin she knows i don't doubt when she walks up the ball it doesn't even occur to me that she might miss and you know the thing is it doesn't occur to her that she might miss either that's the thing i mean now those did well because the usa had scored in the 1st 15 minutes of every game to turn it so they weathered the storm and they did well and they were competing with the u.s. but that being said then we saw you know that next level from the u.s. and that's also a deserved victory after all not just in the final but also of the tournament yes
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we have what we have our man ali out there in leon actually he was at the stadium yesterday and he told us how the atmosphere in the city was like the atmosphere in the stadium it was incredible we knew that the u.s. fans would make a lot of noise when they really got going and we knew that the dutch fans have a reputation for a really making a racket throughout the game and i certainly did that and it was a really moving moment actually when even in stoppage time when clearly all was lost the netherlands that they were still really going for there was the waving their flags and that was you know that was something that made you think this is what football is actually about. so actually what i would say is that the 2 best friend groups where i met in the final of that would you agree yeah it was the u.s. attorney brought some 121-5000 people over for the women's world cup which shows how big the game is over there but the dutch also had some kind of marching band understand. you hear it every game like the trumpets and stuff i mean even even i
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saw that like the video that the marches that the dutch fans did to the stadium that's amazing i mean the u.s. i know girls my friends in the u.s. had been planning for 2 years to go to the world cup so you know it's not the same for example here it's. not the same yet so maybe my guest now here in the netherlands i like women support and there is a lot of you know passion around it speaking about women's football in general was this tournament like a boost like a leap forward for them i mean can you say i think every tournaments that we've seen every world cup so far has furthered women's football a little bit obviously this one the most because it's the most recent and then there's the you know this year a lot is happened in women's football like the 1st ballon d'or being given in the whole argument for equal pay in the norwegian team making equal pay so there's a lot of big issue surrounding women support now and people are really starting to push for investment opportunity so yeah the saying is it's important now that the
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world cup is over but it's not like everybody just forget since like ok great it was a good moment for women's football now let's forget about it for the next 4 years now is where we need to build on the success of it's had the you know the viewers involvement everything and actually put you know money where our mouths are to so to speak and invest in the game and make it grow not just forget about it until next year or next for did you have the chance of equal pay after the final 5 then that was insane but in a way that's what i find actually the really refreshing part about women's football is that it's. you know it's not just about the game there are a lot of issues as you say around that actually that need to be resolved and in a way it's some kind of a it's almost like a movement to have a say at the moment that's coming up there are some countries where it's a growing movement such of england which takes it also maybe to talking about the you know the nations that showed at this tournament that they are really that every
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have developed a lot of what are the biggest you know newcomers you would say at this tournament or maybe known not newcomers but you know what i mean like countries that are actually developed a lot in women's football is and one of them i think for people who don't really live inside the world of women's football the the surprises you would think are spain italy england has a little bit more visibility because you know they've really the man sitting in the diner just pump the money into football which is really good now. we've seen you know this the sold out stadiums in spain and italy so these are countries that for me i've played in both of them in italy and spain and when i was there to now it's grown so much investment awareness of the game in italy they only have right now around $24000.00 girls that are signed up to play football whereas the netherlands has like 3 times or 4 times that amount hopefully this world cup serves to get move
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girls in rolling and registering in football and changing the perspective of italian because a lot of the times really got behind the steamer like ok our girls can play the i've been saying that and they've been saying that for years but now the bush seeing it and the investment is helped so countries like italy spain england they're on the right track definitely let's ask our englishmen leon what he thinks to me this world cup definitely seems like a springboard my man to winning football i think there's been much more recognition at this tournament than perhaps i was at a loss from 4 years ago to be a lot more recognition of the winning guy and i think the quality as well. has definitely improved and people are recognizing that people are seeing that you know that the old cliches about women's football that were never really true certainly aren't now people like johnny unfun tino saying that he wants to double the prize money of the women's world cup he wants to double investment in women's football over the next 4 years and i think that's
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a direct consequence of how brilliant this tournament has been and how well how well what has been and how how highly everybody thought of the quality of football here he spoke about in front of you he is the kind of guy who likes to enlarge tournaments in a row now he also kind of announced that he would like to enlarge the women's work up to 32 teams already next time and 2023 what would you make of that because you know we also saw a big differences on the pitch we saw for example there is a big difference let's say between the title and learn to let the level of talent in the level of the u.s. so what would you make of enlarging the work of i think just as a standalone idea it's not really the right time to do that because i feel like that would bring in you would see more of those 13 mill games and then people would be like what women's football sucks but that being said if you want to enlarge the tournaments then you need to as the president of the for you need to make sure that fifa and like all the wood is that the federations are investing in the sport i
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don't think you can a large tournaments a 32 team just by saying oh yeah look lots of people watch the let's just throw more teams in so we can make more money you know it's about you know making sure that the federations invest so that the quality got closes you can't have 13 mills at a world. by not by this it looks bad on what was football of course i know i mean i understand it the island respect them but it's highland red for us you know you know and you know also his idea of enlarging the world cup to it like the man's welcome to 48 teams will not be implemented in 2022 because it's too early probably for that has and i think we saw some teams playing against like france what would have been their exactly so what was your biggest women's world cup moment maybe your focus biggest world cup moment. i think seeing the gap close like spain usa that game for me or seeing how far it we got in the tournament
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that for me was the moment i'm like yes we're going in the right direction here. that was the biggest scandal because every welcome has a scowl either they get scared the resized neville getting mad at everything for accusing us of spying dollars. that was funny you know yeah it was pretty funny wasn't the team element here about ignoring him yet exhibit that that could have been because why are women getting criticized for celebrating we saw siemionow and although both grab their crotches alex morgan said that everyone was like oh my god look at simeon it is so funny how rinaldo got back to me on it what alex morgan 16 i was going crazy like why is it that when the women are confident bordering arrogance something which henri said that all players should be when they play football why do they get criticised for that i think about it but i found it kind of as it was cameroon though. i'm trying to saying words that reminded me of you
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know not the building as well but also the strike actually anyway it was a great women's world cup the next women's world cup is up in 2023 b. don't know the hosts yet know if they're betting this but england will host the next european championship in 2021 next step is the cup of america i mean what can we say but as you know it finally won a title or 12 years of nothing i mean they won the conflict cup in 2013 they won the olympics and 16 then had not one cup america in 12 long years brazil are they back. i think. it's like a like a between a yes and a no because brazil the players that they have the history that brazil has they're not shooting to win the copa america what they want to win and what they should be shooting to win is the world cup and historically the last 4 world cups when they've come up against a strong european opponent they've lost every time so i think yeah if you want to i
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don't think they're going to want to just pat themselves on the back for winning copa america in brazil you know what i mean because they struggled they didn't handily beat argentina and argentina is in a shambles yet they got the job done and there's something to be said about a team who can win and just finish the job but i don't think that brazil is where they want to be right now actually i visited brazil in march and had a bit of a discussion with locals also about the state or for that in football and what they told me is that the biggest problem is that all young players leave the country too early that they don't develop in brazil but they actually go to europe mostly and to china today also where they develop and so that kind of disconnected from the brazilian reality and also from the brazilian mentality when it comes you know to playing for fun i what i find interesting is that the top scorer of this year's cup america if you can call him a top scorer because score 3 goals only is a guy who plays in brazil still ever tom 23 years old this guy here actually we
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have ever come here actually i can i can i can show you have a tongue this is a this is mr ever come yes and play that gremio put out i got it he's 23 years old it's a top score of coming along he will be sitting in brazil i don't know who to call but maybe another 2 days later you know how they call him in brazil. look at it circa. they call him mr oni and so. what i was reading today this iranian evidence on is the top score 3 goals cup america where also who will be goes to you and said what i did but i think the. golden ball was awarded to him because he won the title so ok but obviously get it has to go to that issue but get out of the well known he's like kind of a new star coming up here and does that show that more brazilian should develop at home for a longer time do you agree with this i think there's something to be said about
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right now where is the best football in the world played and that's in europe it's not in brazil so if you're a young player if i'm a young player personally and i have the chance to go develop in a system where i'm going to improve tactically technically have the resources nutritionist the best coaches i'm going to go to europe because it's not like you're not going to make money in europe i think you can improve as a player you can be playing at the top level every week so why would you not want to go to europe i would go to europe because about you know developing outside of your home country i don't think dina has won anything messi has won anything and when fix the very next. you know sorry ok but actually this time around you then were again even with handcuffs and you know and again for the 3rd play you have it up here actually what about makes you because you started to mount and so you see you next year the next couple you will be
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$35.00 at the next world cup which you might not even play but you go down in history as the biggest player without ever having won an international crisis and he could he could but i think that messi gets a lot of unfair criticism ok he's ridiculous and we haven't really seen him take that you know single handed approach to winning games that he we've seen him take up barcelona but to be fair you have to look at the argentina team he has behind him ok yes they're very good in attack but he's been compared to marry donna and argentina with mary donna had a better midfield and a better defense ok and messi if played under like what 9 coaches was last time before this copa america that we've seen argentina come out with the same starting line up argentina is a shambles right now you can't just expect that you have one player and he's going to play and ok i mean he could and we saw in the 2002 world cup he wasn't was a terrible quality but like yes football's 11 players on the field i think it's
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unfair a lot of the criticism here guys. it's called only they're the right coach for argentina you would say because most interesting li after the last world cup there was an argentinian culture but it isn't available to coach argentina which is a color that ikea but there are going to be 7 columns so he stayed with through and he what he did this time around he took through to the final this is what you have to the right man you to get i call him you know the man who believes in the power of haircuts we have him right here that we'll be ok but you gotta gotta make the i have got here is what you know be the right man for argentina like experience coach is that not what they would need or it's got only the right manual i think whoever they get they need to give a chance they need to give us some time they need to have continuity they need to be playing together they need to try him in he right now we've saw we've seen argentina play with the same lineup and they they look they didn't look bad i mean
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ok they don't look like they're going to be winning the world cup to morrow but you know we've seen an improvement in argentina side they need consistency you can't just throw in a new coach and say ok we have a guerra we have messi we have the maria so they're just going to deliver for us this tactics there's. thought that goes into football i don't think argentina has really focused on i think they've just tried to focus on the star power they've had it hasn't worked out so maybe a word on the finalists a surprise finalists it looks deserved in the final it doesn't so maybe a bit of the mediocrity of the tournament in general that crew went so far in this tournament given that they had lost 5 no to brazil in the group so you've got and you know that there are other teams that look quite strong in the group stage colombia for example but through method to the final so peru is very i think their biggest problem is their inconsistency because sometimes they play very very well and like to 2 things i think about when they played erg was ok they were sat so
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deep defending so deep that it looked like guerrero was on a different planet ok or on a different field he was totally alone and then when they played against chile and they be chile they were pressing they were aggressive they supported guerrero so they're gone is that sometimes they're really good and sometimes they're really bad so i don't think it's surprising that they were there because they've been pretty good in recent memory but i don't think that they're you know they just need to work on their consistency and i we see now where oh he's getting up there in age so they're going to get a bomber on and so they will another team that kind of like was a bit difficult to assess of columbia because it had a very very good group stage and then they just were eliminated they have a new coach carlos queiroz was a very experienced man and next year they will host the cup america and we have our
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colombian julia is actually telling us what she thought about this tournament and what is to expect from the next couple medical colombia worked well while playing the cato system this order they came they got back to their usual arrogance and deceptive because 1st arrogance is never good and especially if you have no real. a resource at the national team to show so colombia losin penalties like you're white and it was also a bit of lock involved but they lose the order and it was not us establishes in brussels gaiters just a static use fry of any seems a good one if they dared to choose there is dollies and play squash it out the father god how they have a strong team with a huge sheriffs to win the cup in colombia strong words there from a colombian about our own team their obvious yooper critical about their own team to the colombians and they would be expecting a lot next year in 2020 when the couple final will be held in colombia looking
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forward to that or after the cup when you say it's a bit of an overestimate a tournament i don't know i was kind of underwhelmed by this the scope america to be honest the stands and the like the same the ticket prices like i was reading an article that was like most people couldn't even afford an average ticket like that's ridiculous to make up their own 100 euro yes 450 a gallon how do you expect people to go there who is this tournament for if not for the people that's very true actually i was extremely disappointed because i've been to brazil i saw the passion they have for football and most asians are actually empty i mean the whole world for that little has docking for me i've never been to brazil are you but that was the ticket prices but i guess the atmosphere in the country also is kind of tense at the moment but they don't have brings people together. but i mean maybe with the new president it tears apart to them the players are
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a little bit they don't know which some support them some are against them so anyway that was cup america this year for brazil won for a talent show business monger a place in the film brazil well done and we'll take it north from brazil it will take it to the gold cup. what's that gesture called cut your canadian. no no it's no more. leverage we want to know more about i mean ok so i was in mexico before the gold this year and this thing i found the most funny was i talk to people and actually one person even compared to go cut to a chocolate cup that's actually what he said the gold cup is like that's a chocolate cup why because it's just like a money it's a money grabbing tournaments what makes a different then from copa america itself is a money grab in the i may come true but the quality of copper megas like marginally better than cab number one there is he was always structured so that mexico and the
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usa somehow always mean the final unless disaster happens and you know jamaica makes it to the final mexico assumes that it's kind of useless and they should win which plays into the mentality from that a lot of people mexico think that the national team has the usa is their only competition but was that not kind of shaken this year a bit hadian to make kind of sami's and corrupt so in the quarter finals. no because that anyone would be usa or mexico. just for the record mexico won the gold . medal as if you're only allowed one nil against the u.s. as you say in the finals or if i was to do that same kind of final imagine that in europe what would be the 2 teams that were supposed to be in the finals but what you know potentially this should mexico play than the cup america or that is what a lot of people said that they should actually not even playing call america but
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which like federations but then if mexico switches federations it makes it a lot harder for them to qualify for the world cup which is less desirable that you don't make as much money in contact it's easier for them to leg qualify for the world cup so it's better for them to stay there then it's more competition and cut income a ball so it's a really big discussion in mexico this now that being said usa they're on their restructuring i was going to ask about the good the no i was just wondering because you know the women's team won the world cup and there could have been a scenario where the grass male team went to go cup that and eventually but what about the u.s. men's team at the moment. is it all about mr she was sick that we have here yeah i mean talk to my team again said that he's just like something else he's a player that you need to specially cover now postage is like the leader of a new generation of american talent i mean the missing out on the world cup 2018
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hopefully that was a spark that really ignited america and to be like oh my god what are we doing how do we not qualify busy for the world cup now we are seeing this is like a transition period they have a new coach they have a lot of use players who are positive for the u.s. is there now playing in top teams in europe which is good that helps the development and we see a lot in the bundesliga so the u.s. looks to be on the right path even in the final. they were the better team in the 1st half i think and they had chances and they didn't capitalize but i mean i don't think it's all negative for the usa right now going forward i would be interesting to see what they put into football though that's the thing you can't just stay kind of like the women's game the u.s. needs to invest not invest more in demand but. you know they need to focus on the training and the coaching and that kind of things to get the men on the same level
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as the rest of the world in football or you know so they have the people and the money i know that's and i've conclusion is that that's the summer of cups is almost over the african cup of nations is still on the run quite some surprises are not i guess got madagascar is currently winning everybody's heart. but there are more surprises there cameroon now to morocco out but yeah that was egypt out so the african cup and actually the ceylon enjoy your summer but copa america women's world cup gold cup done thanks for watching.
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