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it's to do good. to discover who. subscribe to. documentary to. believe. will hunting i mean also. and witness to world events that's all. it was the hardest decision in my life because i didn't want to hold. on the key to germany and was like a child. and half blind. or.
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really for artists who have fled political persecution in their own countries. and settled in berlin. what drove them to leave. what challenges did they face in their new home. what attracted them to the german capital. people in berlin are demonstrating for every bello reuss. theater director at smith's a child who is one of the cold organizers of the protest. he's glad that he can express his opinion freely in germany and that he can send a signal from abroad. when the berlin is not indifferent to
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what is happening in the murders to the situation in our homeland and citizens are doing. simply saying we're with you we're helping you are supporting it was one thing in their. mass protests have been taking place in belo roost for months with the demonstrators calling for an end to the country's authoritarian regime police have clamped down on them heavily. even if they are no longer their charge cohen other bell the ruffians in berlin feel part of the wider protest. the force our hand would we don't want that we just knew things aren't right to. charge cool enough to bellow russo over 10 years ago. he had always opposed to the
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regime and had organized protests and hunger strikes. as a result he was arrested locked up for days at a time without charge. i always say that if i'd stayed i would become a professional revolutionary. i was allowed to study i would never have got a good job or education i would probably landed in jail because i took part in protests and because of my years so i had to make up my mind and leave i wanted to do what i love art. thanks to a grounds he was able to go to poland where he acted and directed plays both in the offbeat are seen and in state theaters. including a production of the idiot. you. know he still works in poland he prefers to live in berlin. he says he loves the alternative
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district of course it's bad because people here are free to think and do as they please. discovered a new kind of protest across barry bearak constant process and procedure but it was important for me to see the different forms and how they were organized. transferring this knowledge which of the recipient places. belongs to protest. he's currently working on an exhibition about civil society and bella ruth. he says that he was politicized as a young man by an encounter with some german punks who were visiting bella ruse. and listening to the sex pistols were basically was so cool. and they talked about freedom and civil rights and i was trying to bring you through. we were. kids in the city and all of a sudden we discovered another culture i mean these punks shoot me but there was
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another world out there where you were. totally different from the 100 new border. there was a kind of break stopping society from developing what you were constantly told what to do and what not to do. and we had to follow. her apparatus. the relationship between the state and the individual today is something he often examines in his work. on the peace projection paranoia shrine integrates text written by the r.a.f. terrorist recombine hoff who explored how far political resistance could go. to hopes that his work will resonate in belo room. to see myself as
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a bridge between or linen mince in case something happens there a bridge between berlin for a while. but then i'd like to find the me between institutionalized state and the underground. and to stay there. on the ground. right now berlin has more such. so for the time being. we'll be staying put. now to where we meet the vice president of penn center germany it's one of some 150 such centers the ported by writers' association pending international. attention to authors who have been persecuted for exercising their right to freedom of expression its german center helps them in germany worldwide many writers still
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live dangerously there are countries which are always at the bottom of the list like north korea its last in terms of freedom of expression and every tree is not far ahead it's been a constant for 10 years in the last 3 or 4 years turkey's gotten much worse and remains level. each year and international. documents cases in which writers have been imprisoned or subjected to other restrictions you know. but there are also many cases we knew nothing of. for example in china. it's like a black hole even amnesty international doesn't know how many death sentences are executed they're going to cheer for only very rarely does word gets out. sometimes when joe ching feels lonely he goes for a stroll being out nature calms him helps him clear his mind and focus judging came to germany 12 years ago he's lived in berlin for the past 8. and like nature.
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but i don't feel to home in one particular place. i have no special connection to a certain place on earth i've lived in mostly in the us with and in reaching. here in germany a woman i live here and there i think that stems from my time in jail since then i have this sense of restlessness. under. truth out of the good in 1989 protests erupted at beijing's tiananmen square and elsewhere in china tens of thousands of young chinese demanded greater freedom. but the pro-democracy movement was brutally suppressed. helped organize demonstrations in his hometown for this he was sentenced to 2 and a half years behind bars and forced just been the 1st 2 months in solitary
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confinement locked up in a dark underground cell. the only free to $51.00 days. he had to carry me out will. be covered my eyes will point. at 1st i didn't know why would i spend all this time in total darkness. without. a harrowing experience but judging has remained undeterred once a widely respected nonfiction author and publisher in china he's kept writing books in exile he's a very gracious reader to you. as an enthusiastic cook the passion he discovered as a single parent for him eating is about companionship and looking after one's health but cooking also brings up grim memories from time behind bars to war jail
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after more than 30 people on death row who don't leave a few days or weeks left to live. they were strapped to their beds arms and legs spread to their sides. like a crucifixion. call with you there is a hole in their bed to difficult. after relieving themselves are. clean if you will i also said. in their final moments. it was all that mattered. judging process to the experience in a book it tells the story of 15 different prisoners on death row and includes recipes for the last meal they ate before they were executed. leaving german literary magazine has published an excerpt of the book his translator and good friend susanna becker will translate the book into german joe ching regularly covers highly sensitive topics that few in china would do. for research purposes he
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sometimes returns to his homeland though he's careful to stay off the radar as a banker describes that but unlike his artist friend i way way joe ching resists the label dissident. i am an author and witness to world events that saw. a courageous one for sure joe ching carried out extensive research in china for his documentary film i don't quite recall which addresses a dark chapter of chinese history. revolution. the film revolves around the lynching of 2 teachers at the hands of their students it features interviews with people who may have witnessed the killings. see the action that she would have shown. to. them.
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her recent events in paris show how timely my documentary is. a teacher was killed sparking global outreach. by film talks about how to chinese teachers were beaten to death. but to this day new body news who is responsible. talks about this event . put it on. 2000 for him investigative book about china's food industry became an international bestseller exposed to ruthless stops at nothing to maximize its profits including adding dangerous chemicals to build products it was translated into several languages. 15 years ago i started telling people that chinese food is unsafe and chinese food production methods can cause an epidemic like sars. but nobody to seriously.
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think european politicians and food manufacturers are harming themselves when they import chinese products. currently working on a new documentary films about china he's been barred from entering the country. but that won't deter him he's not easily intimidated. what's germany's role when it comes to offering protection to people threatened in persecuted and i think. germany please an important role. then germany's voice is very significant within the context of pen international for one. of the writers in exile program that was created by the minister of culture in 2000. it was to pay off a debt of gratitude for writers who had to flee germany in 1933 found refuge abroad or. now we can persecuted writers and from all over the world to.
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even in the very thought of. when the nazis came to power in 1933 a whole generation of writers was silenced their works were banned and burned their lives were threatened many fled others were killed today german cities such as where the nazis held their rallies taken exiles from all over. the service of course it's just a trick of the ocean. there are many more writers and. that's why many make their own way if they can and their place of refuge is often berlin. it's a bit of home away from home for a syrian in exile at the pergamon museum in the historic center of berlin. first tours for refugees she explains the history of the exhibits and how they can
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transport people back in time. so. close your eyes try to smell. and you will feel at home and there is always like a very nice traipse we go through closing her eyes and think about our memories our heritage many visitors return time and again the exhibits provide comfort and stability coming here also helps combat her homesickness after she was forced to flee syria 6 years ago. i used to say it's my museum. and i am one of the very rare people who used to go to the museum almost. studied art in damascus and wrote for a children's magazine she's also a successful children's book author. she suffered under bashar al assad's regime
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until 2011 when the anti-government protests known as the arabs. again. i feel that time to change. with very long time. joined in the demonstrations and fought for change but the protests were brutally suppressed. was repeatedly arrested and eventually fled her homeland. the hardest. because. her whole new syria. leave all her friends and fellow protesters behind. she hasn't heard a word from many of them since. they arrested abducted. are
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they even still alive. her art works to picture this sense of loss. but mostly. because. they are here. now she found her mission. after her arrival germany took in almost a 1000000 refugees we can do this chancellor angela merkel famously said in encouragement. down to work. i always find myself somewhere in-between. trying to bring them together she also writes for the platform handles germany which gets refugees practical info on how to adapt to life here but i also believe that hosting society should know more about newcomers about 3 fishies most of
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them have to integrate with each other. to help make that happen ali g. brights a column for a german newspaper. she highlights cultural similarities and differences between hosts and newcomers. and tries to combat the prejudices she encounters in her daily life. from syria and he said oh my god are you are really feels she said years. unfortunately and there's this but you don't look like. so for me this is very important things to think to sync up about legs the stereotypes that media spirit. and. of the people there's still much to be done to dispel such stereotypes and to encourage interaction between cultures which
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actually aren't that different. says that her hometown damascus and berlin have much in common. it's very similar from different perspectives because it's very. it's very open and accept everyone from everywhere. where are you from what you're doing how you know how you dress what kind of study you did you will find your space. has certainly found her space helping to bring together different peoples and cultures. have a hard time. reaching from their culture and they usually have a difficult time communicating in the new language. this applies to exiles today and to those of former times like those who fled nazi germany in the 1930 s.
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now there are plans to build a museum dedicated to these refugees where berlin's on halter railway station once stood. in the exile museum berlin is set to open its doors in 2025 the modern building curve around the station's ruins. literature nobel prize winner. who fled from romania dictator nickel. to germany in 1907 is the museum's patron. berlin is coming to terms with its past but what about the more recent history and the fact that many people from all over the world are moving here. or to flee. from danger. germany has experienced many different waves of immigration unfortunately there's new museum dedicated to this topic and that would be very interesting from
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a political perspective. a museum that tells the story of germany as the country of immigrants because they are an integral part of its history. when sharbat in shaky came to germany 10 years ago he had to leave everything behind. in iran he was an acclaimed writer an intellectual who actively participated in social debate. being forced into exile his identity. is high had most everything a person could want to have that stature was a journalist in the best newspaper and lectured the best universities isn't. on them come to germany and i was like a child and that's dead and done and half blind. or.
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shaky belongs to iran's kurdish minority he learned his mother tongue kurdish from his father he describes it as the language of his soul and his innermost thoughts in his youth shut about in shaky frequented literary clubs and wrote lyric poetry that was naturalistic and realistic. kurdish literature was for bisan it was illegal like drugs or something. so i think i was always self-confident. i just went in and read my poems and the folks there were surprised . 1617 year old boy we did he learn to speak kurdish. shaky quickly made a name for himself as a modern poet who courted controversy his writing advocate. equality of the sexes and human rights and he was a vocal activist in 2009 he took part in iran's green movement when young people
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rose up against the regime that put his life in danger to have kind i don't fear spending 20 years in jail i don't fear torture or even the death penalty. but i do fear the indeterminacy and the lack of clarity if you're arrested by the secret police or whoever and there's no guarantee you'll be released in 2 or 3 hours after 3 days or 7 days after 7 months or 7 years ago. maybe at some point. he was arrested but managed to escape he never wanted to leave his country in the lurch was now forced to flee an invitation from the german government including an exit visa and a plane ticket to safety yet the fears from that time still haunts him. have never rented an apartment that was above the 3rd floor because i always
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thought if they come for me i must flee no matter what happens to me. whenever i went to look at. the escape route. i still have those happens. it took a long time before she could feel he was on firm ground again he broke with his past and embarked on the search for a new life new identity and words most important tools he wants to communicate. what language. you know 70 percent of the people around me are germans or german speakers or the streets or my streets these walls are my walls this cafe is my country. these are my neighbors there are german. makes it exciting but hard to write. but for now he's preoccupied with bringing some peace into his life having
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a secure job and residency status. he is employed as a social education worker in a home for asylum seekers in his new home berlin. this stark berlin is a city of mosul. berlin has a soul that's completely crazy and. berlin 6 mean that soul is like mine is not the least of that's my feeling and berlin this nationality lives are not your nationality unless it's also how shabab in shaky feels it's impossible for him to return to iran he hasn't seen his homeland in a decade. so where does he belong now in berlin. the national that's occurred maybe i should see him kurdistan will forever be my homeland and stargirl but i was born there and i'm a kurd but that's the person i am now for him them and this here is my home.
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