on the line with my vote and i'm foreign people and you know, just, i still try to to keep that there was some, you know, some nar, so we just the buddhist think and mation war talk our, you know, just destroy to bring a lot of panics, nor is this depressing. i'm, i'm so now i, i use my voice. 24 hours. just inform you inform the celebrities around the world. that is why i asked all celebrities around the world. look, it's very easy. i'm strong enough and they use my voice to stop the war to stop this terrible war against the world. so it looks like still we're ok we're so use you voice like me, lou, it's very, very easy. but your voice, your statement can help us. you can stop this war and say that a lot of maybe 10001000 own, you know,

of people lives. so it's about to say the world to say go to dad and you say, are you planning to stay in care of? or will you also try to leave the country given the situation? are you playing with us? well, people like me because i'm voice of my dad. i would i i'm oh oh oh, time against any refund on the weekend. and so i'm very, very sincere and very very, you know, just drop to bring a lot of messages. this is why i'm not only, i'm not, i'm wrong. i know you praise and check all this information. and i have like information on and i agree. and a lot of information on it, i can check and so we don't have any place in your brain. we

are silence. so it looks like you grade on. why are we don't know what would be next hour. that is why we have what we need to ask you. so i just wanna thank you so much for that point and called and for joining us on d. w. news, we're going to leave it there, but please do stay safe and take care. the other piece of this puzzle, china has come under pressure from western countries for so for refusing to label rushes attack on ukraine as an invasion. u. s. president joe biden said that any country that back russia's invasion would be stained by association. when a news briefing this morning, chinese foreign ministry spokesperson at 11 been hit back, saying the country whose reputation will be stained is that which interfered in other nations internal affairs in the name of human rights. and which went on to wage wars. so let's get across to dw washington bureau chief in as poll. she's on

the line with me now in as a seeing and hearing this from the chinese foreign ministry. is there any question about which country he was referring to there? well, a is it? oh, it's china and russia, they share one common enemy and that is the united states, and that is what we're feeling throughout the last a weeks. i mean, you probably remember the talks between she, she ping and, and letting me put in during the busying games or when they said there are no limits, toll of friendship. we stand side by side. and this is kind of reiterating, though, over the last a days on the one hand, on the other hand, china also also needs the european a market. so it does have an interest that the war doesn't interfere too much with the european economy. so they are a little bit in the middle of both, but again, they really share a strong resentment against united states,

and this is what is playing out now. and china's also referring to jo biden's remarks yesterday during his press conference, when he said that everybody was supporting a put in this days will also feel the force from the united states and possible sanctions. and that is something a china just won't let happen. now, is of the invasion being discussed in the u. s. media and among the american public . well, you know, we always have to keep in mind, ukraine is really far away from the united states. if you would ask an average american to pointed out on a med, they wouldn't be able to, to know or to show you where you great, where other european countries are lying. so this is very, very different. for example, obviously from germany and other european countries. and then on top of that, most americans never really experienced

a war within their own country. that's also something which is very different. i think, to our german and european history. i don't know. i, for example, i talked to my father yesterday and he told me when he heard the sirens in here, it really reminded him of, on his own childhood. so the fear of war and the memory of the own experiences in the 2nd world war. the years afterwards are much more lively in germany and europe than in the united states. so basically what the majority of the americans probably would say, we don't to want to get too deep involved in that. and we don't want to feel any bad sides of possible sanctions. so biden has a lot of work to do to convince his follow fellow americans that fighting for democracy, fighting for the ukraine has something to do with the united states as well. and despite what you describe as but sounds like general apathy in united states,

there are around a 1000000 people in the us who were of ukrainian descent at what did we hear from the ukranian diaspora about biden's policy toward russia and the conflict in ukraine? well, the devastated other demonstrations here yesterday in front of the white, allison in front of the russian embassy and they basically say the same what we are here doing all program today from ukrainians. they felt like left behind, they expect the united states, and they expect nato to really support them militarily. they can't understand that they kind of had to have to defend themselves numbers one moment of cocktails. so there is a really a deep, deep disappointment. and most of the ukrainians i could talk to here in the united states are basically really, really disciplined, disappointed from what they feel the lacking support from the west in as pull in

washington dc for us. thanks so much for that update. and i'd like to hear next from security expert marina hanker, she's the director of the center for international security at the high school here in berlin. a very warm welcome to the show. and we understand that some russian troops have entered the ukrainian capital. what do you expect to happen in the coming days or even hours? well, couldn't state it, he has 2 goals. the 1st one is their d, militarization of ukraine. and the 2nd one is what he termed their d nazi vacation of ukraine. so, and when it comes to the demobilization, if russia really uses all its military technology or its capability that can be achieved fairly quickly because it would involved basically the destruction of all sorts of military sites in ukraine, military depots, and ukraine and military capabilities. when it comes to what he termed, again, d,

nazi vacation, that's redeem change. so it could be, you know, a little harder. this goes after the regime disc was after zalinski personally. but one could imagine a scenario where zalinski surrenders, quote unquote to safe civilians. but the big question as always in these type of interventions invasions is what comes next. i could imagine that russia wouldn't want to occupy ukraine, but rather install a puppet regime. but i'm also pretty certain that large majorities of the ukrainian population will not support that regime. so basically, what we need to expect is a low level or an intermediate level, insurgency, against this new regime that will be built up by russia. and that can take quite a while, who should say also those allegations of naziism would be laughable if not so serious? i think a question many have at this moment is,

why is russian president putin doing this? now? there are 2 reasons in my view. the 1st one is the election of zelinski. he, you know, from the get go, has a hawkish stance on russia. he entered into military agreements with the united states. and you also bard to russian or pro russian t. v. stations in ukraine and to put, nobody responded to these actions last year with a 1st build up of military forces, but then he withdrew. so the big question is, why did he then, you know, i read to when i write it, he re play the game all over. and here i think he looked at gaston and i think of canister, had a really important role to play. why? because i think inside of russia in he's an inner circles of putting the expectation, was that afghanistan at what a terrible tor nato apart,

that there would be a lot of in fighting. because of course, the end of fed, the ice have mission was not very successful. so then it, you know, very little taste to cooperate again to really, you know, and take on a big challenge. and i think here you really miss calculated in the big picture of things in russia. there's an assessment right now that the west is weak. it's polarized to there, lot of suicidal tensions between the woke generation and more conservative elements . they're also racial tensions. and so the assessment was, this is actually a fairly opportune moment where we can exploit the decline of the west and the weakness of nato. and i think at on, on this front, on the letter fund they really miscalculated because what we saw in the last weeks and months was that needle came out very united and very strong over all the, to your point about the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan. the, those images that question the powers and ability of nato,

and the ukranian president vladimir zalinski, he's now said that his nation has been left alone in this situation. is it the case that western governments have failed ukraine? here? i think the failures concerned more western russia policy. and here i have to look in particular at germany after georgia and 2008. and then of course, crimea in 2014, it should have been more or less clear to a lot of german policy makers that put and was not on a track to be the friendly and neighbor that they wanted him to be. and here i think the big mistakes were meet at that just, you know, put and was basically treated as just the regular states men as somebody you can add a be trading with. and this, of course, you know, as while like next to the conclusion of the nordstrom to agreements. and i think these are the fundamental mistakes that, that were made. the big picture of things, when germany have said it time and time again, that it will not send weapons to ukraine. would anything change on the ground if

that position were to change now? well, and i think in this particular moment that we are in, of course, you know, we need to ask the ukrainian exactly what kind of help they want. but i think germany's role and i said this a on several occasions also and already is much more political and it's economic. and in here, germany at, you know, some other european countries as well as still holding back. they're still holding back with the really, really harsh sanctions which would of course then concern and energy and at swift. but i think this is where germany has the real leverage and where, you know, of course, the real costs as well, occur at for a, for, for german, for german. net economy and, and the people. marina hank are the director of the center for international security at the her to school in berlin at thanks so much for coming on the show. really appreciate your insights. thank you. and let's recap. the latest

developments on the 2nd day of russia's invasion of ukraine. ukraine says its forces have been battling russian troops on the edge of the capitol key if air raid sirens have been sounding in key of and other cities. that's prompted people to take shelter in metro stations. an apartment building was also partially destroyed overnight. ukraine has said it shot down to russian missiles and a fighter jet over the capital. ukraine. government says at least 137 people have died since the invasion began, and hundreds more have been injured. yes, i've heard that death toll from the ukranian government of at least a 137 people killed. hundreds more wounded rushes. invasion began early on thursday . russia is now continuing its air sea and land assault taking territory, including the former chernobyl nuclear power plant. ukrainian president vladimir zalinski says the fate of europe is being decided in his country. ukrainian soldiers on the outskirts of the eastern city of khaki fall inspecting

just some of the carnage from day one of russia's invasion of ukraine. then after dusk, the destruction continued blue civilians took refuge in subway station is looking for whatever safety they could find. also in the crime capitol keep people headed for the underground fearful russia could launch airstrikes. most of you got some higher because i think it's one of the only places right now where you can hide and hear all the other places are. terrify austin at a strategic airbase just 20 kilometers away from the capitol, reports of russian forces and control i. however, ukraine says prevented a complete takeover of the facility. ukrainian troops have set up

roadblocks throughout the cities government quarter. late on thursday night ukrainian president allotted me as zalinski said he was aware of the danger, but that he was remaining in the capital than the avenue lessons learned, much of will, according to our information, the enemy has listed me as target number one and my family didn't as target number 2 on the other one the which they want to destroy the country politically terminating the head of state nation ship level data. satellite images also showed the destruction. russia is writing down on ukraine here, the damage to airfields and the east of the country. and russia is proving it's no hardly interested in military facilities. ukrainian officials confirmed that loss control of the decommission should noble nuclear power plant. the scene in the world's worst, and you can, a disaster is now in russian hands. so dw correspondent,

and we sure when it's joining me now in the studio for more. welcome back, emily, from your posting in moscow. tell us, 1st of all, how significant is the opposition to putin's war within russia itself? well, i think it's, it's hard to tell. obviously we don't have data survey data and i think we should be kind of careful with that kind of data, especially from government posters, a going for going forward. but there has been a lot of public opposition to this war, including from many, some celebrities, both in ukraine and, and russia. people who usually towed the government line as well. and also yesterday, we saw these huge protests or large protests across russia, including in moscow and st. petersburg against the war. and apparently there were nearly 2000 arrests according to one rights group. you know, people are taking to the streets now despite the fact that they know essentially

they're going to be arrested because there's been this huge opposition crackdown going on now, you know, for months, especially since the beginning of last year. so i think these people who took the street yesterday, they did that knowing essentially that they'll be arrested and they took out risk. and we, we do know that people have been gathering outside russian embassies around the world to protest students actions and to express their support for ukraine. but, you know, in russia taking part in public demonstrations that could result in immediate detention. so people have been taking to the streets in multiple russian cities, as you've said to, to cry the war. let's see if we can play this piece from a reporter. let's see if we can cure the fees. we do have a piece for you about these protests. give it one more try. all right. looks like it's not on the docket for now. we'll try and bring it up for you later. but i guess emily, let's come back to you. how effective do you think these protests could actually be

on having any kind of impact on the calculations of proven? i don't think they will have any impact on the calculations. so what is the impetus? why would people take such a huge risk? you know, to put their personal safety at risk in going out into the streets. i think that just shows you how strongly people feel about this. you know, many of the people don't just as he said, came back from moscow and many of the people that i've been speaking to there were just shocked you know, use when i spoke to them yesterday morning. most people couldn't believe that this was actually happening that russia was actually invading ukraine and starting a war, you know, i think there's a huge level of disbelief, rippling through all generations at the moment. as you said, as we've said, you yourself were a dw correspondent, you've worked in moscow, you worked across the region. and then the dw bureau was shot down by the russian government just recently. and the german government called a,

an attack on the free press. so have many other press, right, outlets i bring it up because i want to know how easy it is for russians today with in russia to actually understand what is happening in ukraine right now. well, i think it's right that you mentioned this media crackdown that's been going on, you know, not only with the closure of d, w 's bureau in moscow, but a much wider crackdown on any critical media outlets that we've seen since the beginning of last year. especially, you know, over the past few years, but especially since the beginning of last year, many critical media outlets have been declared foreign agents, many have been closed. there are still critical media outlets reporting about what is going on at the moment with this war. the state media, you know, including tv government channels are towing the official line and it's a bit disoriented because you're getting, you know, i witness reports of bombings for example. and then the ministry of defense saying, we're not bombing for example,

we heard that statement. i just just recently and i think the situation when it comes to information is likely to it worse. there's a new and for there's a new director from the media watchdog in russia. they came out yesterday saying that journalists should only use official sources going forward. so perhaps that's the beginning of a crap down there is also, you know, this project from the russian government on the sovereign internet as they call it . which means that they have the ability to essentially cut the russian internet off from the world wide web. and we've seen the russian government blocking social media outlets, you know, for short periods in the past. so we may see the situation can get worse in the coming days. and we've been cutting itself off from the internet. and the sanctions that we've seen announced against russia is russia now effectively isolating itself from the international community. i think it's fair to say that i there has been

a real change, i think, in the past few years, but especially in the past few months in how the government of use in russia use its situation on the world stage before there was a sense that yes, russia was going to do its thing, but they cared at least about saving face when it comes to their place in the international community about messaging and all that. and it seems that that, that all that has kind of gone out the window for vladimir putin or correspond emily, sherwin, thanks so much for coming into the studio. to break that down for us, i want to turn it back now. it to ukraine and demarco tango is anika, nit ski and the west of the country. and he's a consultant for the d. w academy which promotes media freedom around the globe. and he has moved his family out from care of. thank you so much for joining us during this difficult time. first of all, i want to hear about your personal story. how difficult was it to leave care for you and your family? i think it's her. i mean,

it was very difficult and it was mostly unexpected. well, because it was just a regular evening and we went to bed and suddenly at 5 pm, you just hear the explosions, which you can differentiate from all other types of explosions. and we understand that the war starts. and so the 1st decision of me and why my wife was to pack and to try to leave keith, which we did, we just took our kids with, took our clothes, the sinks and personnel, the lawn in sands hid their old and in the west. like we will not to loan them on that and the will quite a lot of people and it was a very long and stressful 10 hour journey to go to the western city malesky where we are out with huge of traffic jams and a lot of tanks approaching us ukrainian tanks, which will go into keel and then use will in the phones written in use. and

during this time, the martial law was implemented. russia across the borders of ukraine and invaded from several territories. and we were just like in it and it was bruin and everson was happening so fast. and then suddenly you had been here this smell of the powder in the air because a lot of places were here by missiles and they will burn in. and of course, it was very stressful, especially for the kids who always us, you've had to grab your things up and leave with that whole drain in toe, no less. how on earth you explain something like this to your kids? it is, it was a very difficult decision and really it's really like stop the car and discuss it with my wife. because the one hand you don't want to live with. on the other hand, you don't want your kids to go through that. but then we decided to tell the truth and we said that we are leaving because hi keith. this morning

turned out to be a dangerous place. and we want them to be safe. and we think that the war will start. and it was very, very hard conversations with the kids and we received of course, a lot of questions. main of them, which was like will daddy go to war? and the answer was, i don't know, and it was still don't know what will happen in the next 24 hours. and i think that's harder. sparks. and we have heard in this show that on ukrainian television, i mean citizens are being given directions on how to make molotov cocktails with the idea of defending themselves against a russian invasion. have you been considering taking up arms yourselves or do you know people who have yes, so basically this morning,

a draft then general draft was announced and time going to be drafted sooner or later, which means i have to go and defend my country. and so now i'm just thinking of how to make sure how to protect 1st, how to protect my family and make sure that they in a safe place no matter what happens. and then of course i like, i will do it and i will have to do it. i've never shot a gun in my life before. i never hold a gun in my and, but i think if you want our kids still live at bright future in ukraine. as a country, we need to learn it and we need to do it and all my friends and all my may say things the same. and this is what have to be done with this is what is going right now. and basically, 18000 gallons were given away to population. and the mayor of give, just right, like minutes ago announced that defy the big fight for gear. he's going to play

take place quite so. so despite never having a shot, a gun in your life, you are willing to take up arms. and in doing that, do you feel like you have the necessary backing from other governments from the west in that ukraine might actually be successful? and i feel i personally, i think i'm very thankful for all the support that ukraine receives and i think that's a lot is done on one hand. but on the other hand, i think that this work and have a lot more consequences and a lot worse consequences than independence of ukraine. and i think that this aggression is the big european problem and a lot more could be done and should be done in order for not to me is like we should have been stopped it before it started. but now i think it's our common responsibility in ukrainian all st drains do ever send to make it stole as fast as

possible because every seconds are like we lose a can be transformed in the life of human and sir, in this case, innocent human. and so if you are off fighting, what are your plans for your family in the near future? well, i want, i just want my keys so know as least like as less as possible about the war. and i just want them to be safe, and i hope that missiles never come to the city and they will just, they will just keep and stay here until it's all over and my and i will do everything possible and doing whatever fighting, if needed, to make it happen and to make this war and as fast as possible. right. timothy hills jenko in western ukraine. thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us during this difficult time. we really appreciate you coming on to the show. thank

you. thank you. i'm going to recap, if you're just joining us. russia are ramping up its invasion of ukraine. now in the 2nd day, ukraine saying its forces are battling russian troops on the edge of the capitol, keith, and that there have been reports of gunfire near the government district. ah, lead sideways, they've been sounding in key of and other cities and they've been prompting people to take shelter in metro stations. and apartment building partially destroyed over night. and ukraine saying it had shot down q russian missiles and a fighter jets over the capitol. the ukraine government says at least 137 people have died since the invasion began, and hundreds more have been injured. take your back now it to the live of footage of the situation in the ukrainian capital key of look at that completely desolate. and then these live pictures might suggest that there is calm,

there might and square. it's one of the main landmarks in the heart of the city. many people are not visible simply because they are seeking cover in shelters and in metro's and those underground train stations we've mentioned. we also have unconfirmed unconfirmed. we have reports of russian soldiers, actually in key of itself will be following the story story for you here on detail the over the next few hours when to have team coverage crossing to our correspondence. so please to stay with us before the latest, i'm now joined by journalist andrea jessica, who is in a key of andrea. we're now seeing reports that russian troops have entered a key of with the shelling and gun fire heard. what can you tell us from where you are? yeah, definitely their shouting and gunfire hurt. oh no, but i think he and the city itself knows that the troops really have entered the city. are people gatty or is from the news as well? because life in the city is very,

very quiet. jumps like those people are staying home oh, standing to to go to the shout. and i heard that repeat everything that they need and they have to rush out very close to their body. is the order of the front door to getting that kind of information from international broadcasters. what is going through your head as a resident of q at least just as eyes danella go with come from dunbar. we left on bus last night very urgently because we we had left the drum. yes. cover which is only 4 kilometers from the front line. and people had urged us and pushed us to get it out of the city before it is surrounded. then we had gone to the house and had hoped to stay there quiet and calm night. but then the situation deteriorate.