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w ah. m a court hearing in cataneo sicily, a young woman died, an abortion would have saved her life, but doctors to refuse to perform the operation on moral grounds. now, valentine has family is fighting for justice. sped yamaha for voucher just feature the longest fidelmo we hope the justice will prevail for not her daughter. we can't bring valentina back with them. these bloody doctors are still working at the hospital as if nothing happened. last, grenada? that's not ryan in the fall fissile chief, so the crystal on a joseph on trial 7 doctors at the hospital where 32 year old valentina millard so lost her life. but there is
little hope for the family in italy. doctors have the right to refuse and abortion on moral grounds. the woman is denied a life saving abortion and dies in italy in the heart of europe and ah, in many european nations, women are taking to the streets once again to fight for their rights, including the right to abortion from we think we have progressive abortion laws which guarantee women a certain right to access abortion. but what we find instead is that the laws that we have are really quite antiquated. ah, ah,
valentina millard, so from catania. the young woman was expecting twins after a course of ivy, if she and her husband really wanted children. if hillary, valentina law luna credited up on a one year my daughter valentina, worked at a bank in california, she had an important assignment not to go to my land to a special course federal. she was going to become a director there besides military shebra, even to novice on the 29th of september. she had an appointment with her gynecologist, which she paid for herself because he promised her. if you come in september, i'll tell you the sex of the twins edward. generally. the examination showed that her survey was already dilated. valentina was sent to the hospital in cataneo.
immediately. an ultrasound scan carried out there determined that the fetuses would not survive. but the doctors refused to terminate the pregnancy. later they cited moral grounds. you're not ready or my thing to do but loudly maybe she will be idle. never heard of doctors who are conscientious objectors to we later found out that all the doctors in the hospitals, gynecology department are a 100 percent. objectors told me if i'd known that i never would have taken my daughter. there we go. so jim murphy, general yellow variable tele valentino, stayed in hospital in great pain, says her father, she was expected to wait for the natural stillbirth of her babies. after 12 days, one of the fetuses died by now valentina was seriously ill. her
body temperature was fluctuating wildly, and her blood pressure was low. everything pointed to census, caused by the dead fetus to treat her agony. all she got was paracetamol. join my wife after darling, how are you feeling? she replied. mamma, i'm dying chris, mamma, i'm dying. and most criminals did nothing. absolutely nothing. only then did the doctors remove the dead fetus, but they didn't treat. the sam says, says valentine, it's father. that plan was to wait until the 2nd twins, heart beat stopped. the family stood by helplessly watching valentina fight. but a life neu, m l, a. just a wound before a bill was in, at some point we were outside and we heard a cry from valentino,
but we still didn't know what was wrong with it. so a cry from valentina and then nothing. i will send you to the doctor says yes, it's serious. we have to resuscitate her. it's gonna come out. you my daughter's incubated yolanda. gotcha. freight cold in the young woman's tragic death occurred in 2016 valentine, as parents have been fighting for justice ever since about my jewels adul valentina story re ignited a public debate across italy in po number at the hospital stood by its handling of the case claiming her death was unavoidable. the doctors then stated that they were conscientious objectors, which was why they refused to carry out an abortion. no, many italian women took to the streets. valentina dismayed. the doctor's morals could take precedence over a woman's life. there
were also protests in rome. one of the demonstrators was local politician and doctor is a better candidate on a long time champion of women's rights in italy. she says the situation is getting was che, will now being that get a shame day that bad day, the land, there's growing pressure from religious organizations. he and from this group of doctors who are conscientious objectors, eternity go shane sir. ah, they maintain that embryos and fetuses are fully fledged people live just like women, e, e m b o nie a fee. so no bill. so on that cool. this is an international
initiative. i wellness that that's all. so finding support in italy, idea drove out will sustain young for for decades. italian law has granted women the right to an abortion within the 1st 3 months of pregnancy after a medical consultation. but doctors are not obliged to terminate to pregnancy if they object to it on moral grounds. and more than 70 percent of gynecologists refuse to perform both consultations and abortions. that number is on the rise in brussels. neil dr. watches, this development with concern. he's a specialist for european questions concerning reproductive rights and women's health. this was an idea of catholic thinkers at the time. and what, and it seems very reasonable, but what's in fact, it, the way it has been use in italy has gone from a personal choice of conscience or conscience to not be involved in an act which 1
may have more reservations about. and it's become an institutionalized system to deny women medical care, so that in italy, doctors who, who are not conscientious objectors, may find limitations in their careers. and therefore this means that the number of doctorates were objectors of conscience is very high in certain regions of italy in rome, almost 80 percent of gynecologist don't want to have anything to do with abortion. another difficult area, prenatal diagnostics maybe mr. lewis know even younger is that there's nothing less what we're seeing is a religious, harsh to take control of our health care system. what does that mean? i'll give you a practical example that in the lab seal region, the entire system of prenatal diagnostics is religious. that means that at the
present time in lots, you know, we don't have a single secular, it's huge inducting, prenatal diagnostics on the fetus. if they know that 3 feet access to abortion, and to advice beyond the moral teachings of the church in italy, that's tricky. in germany, things haven't been getting easier either the portion is technically illegal. however, if women seek advice from an official counseling service, they are allowed to terminate a pregnancy within the 1st 12 weeks. but the number of doctors willing to actually provide abortions are rapidly declining 2 decades ago, some 2050 doctors and clinics provided abortions in germany. now that
number is down by almost half. take munster, for example, one of the largest doctors who provided abortions recently retired now of a student city face is an even greater shortage. just to doctors offer abortions here. despite the large student population in catholic monster, many are against the right to terminate the pregnancy. the 1000 crosses march takes place here. every year christians conduct a pro life prayer procession through the city center. the thank the gynecologists here are unwilling to conduct terminations is also problematic for the counseling service. pro familiar who have been fearfully gay. at 13, there are far too few doctors who are able to conduct
a pregnancy termination who are trained to do so who have the facilities and are willing to do this kind of work at latin to st alfredo home with that so. so due to the stigmatization and the criminalization of these doctors, surgeries by 2 doctors retired. now that means we have to send many women to clinics and surgeries far from home. fan to pack for a cleaning soccer. shaking in germany, a woman might have to travel up to 150 kilometers. one way for an abortion, a frequent situation in munster, this mother from munster wanted an abortion and discovered just how difficult it is to find a doctor to carry it out. she wishes to remain anonymous. i sat down with my husband one evening and googled abortion monster, and there were no results. so then i looked at the websites, if gynecology clinics, and there was nothing. we couldn't believe it. we thought we might be looking in
the wrong place. in any case, when we were at the counseling session, which was supposed to take us through all our options, we were told in no uncertain terms. this is not about helping you with any practical steps for getting an abortion the mother of to made her decision. another child would simply be too much for the family. at the counseling session, she and her husband were questioned about their choice, but they weren't given any addresses. eventually they found the 2 months debased doctors, but both were on vacation. so the mother of 2 travelled, 100 kilometers to bela felt where she received r. u for 86, the abortion pill. you take the 1st pill there and then you go home. actually i had to go straight to work because i couldn't take the day off. and you take the 2nd pill a few days later at home. after that, she returned to bill a fouled for
a check up. it turned out that although the fetus was no longer viable, the amniotic sac was still there that could have led to an infection. so a cure, a tosh was needed. the procedure could be carried out in munster at the catholic hospital, but no one should be told about the abortion pills advised her doctor in bella felt on the referral notes. she wrote that a cure tarsh was necessary, but not because of any termination. she made it very clear to me that i shouldn't say a word about it. to this day, she feels too ashamed to talk to anyone about the abortion as each lover, i think there's a total lack of debate within society on this year. this is t mountain dish law. and i also think that society isn't aware of the difficulties. women's still face
to this day. upon among those difficulties, protests outside counseling centers in germany. it monster these take place on the 22nd day of each month. had its 5 mile allison. and as i've clashed with pro lifers who forced their way into our office twice at home on friday afternoons, when i just happened to be on my own, i had trouble getting them to leave one to be done. it was very unsettling treatments whose counsel warner a hi vitale yell with doggone he bitter fuel single. yes. miss spoons was the men are outside the center to day kneeling and singing. ah, christine's ego. can you understand that women coming here for advice? you might not like the fact that you're standing here. the scanner flushed in. yes,
i can understand that this is not we live in a democracy. even on a demo, we have freedom of assembly armfuls. that's why we attend is a prayer group he and as he can see, we've got pictures with us, but not reproachful images by of where bringing this to the public's attention and hope to create some sort of change awful. all of us for in duncan, with many counseling centers are now seeing this kind of protest across germany. take frankfurt where local authorities have had to introduce a no go zone. mm . and then there's the online anti abortion movement. websites like baby cost list, so called abortionist in germany and equate what they do with a holocaust. this has serious consequences for individual doctors hasn't done.
torment is vomas' mont ongoing vill. as of i received death threats via email addresses, and then there are those so called christians who say they want to see me burn in hell and right. the punishment will come. so, but it's so clear. if they were allowed to burn me, then they do it straight away. is it so club and to me for plan, do often of and is a 14. ah, christina, hannah is one of the doctors in germany who want to be able to speak openly about abortion. she went to court to defend her right. to include information about abortion on her home page. here are some reactions to if i as an embryo at a gun, i take you out 1st, but for sure. do you have children?
you are a mass murderer. so you want to help women become murderers . you are an ugly, despicable norm. german baby murderer. you sometimes fear for your life in all my veto yarn and get us of it a vic now and again. yes. but then it goes away. i've been, i've to book and then i think i'm too well known for them to do anything to me doesn't. but on the other hand, i think, well, they're all fanatics, and even the pope is describing us as contract killers off talks. then someone could just come and say, i'm killing this woman on god's behalf. forgot. does it use a fall on planar fatty florida wellness settle mile? think epi colo, barry? suargo, bro. blame here. com. we have he that in. she got you. but he showroom. probably.
christina hannah, once women to have unrestricted access to both information and medical care, should they wish to terminate a pregnancy? but paragraph 219, a of the german constitution makes it a crime for doctors to publicly advertise that they perform abortions. we are cloud . lindsey flashed in previously, you'd get your information from brochures that the doctor surgery or at the counseling center, maybe as i do that now with the internet, it's completely normal. if i'm looking for a doctor or anything else, to carry out an internet search 1st, where can i get that done? what methods does this doctor offer? what do other patients say? is this doctor's office good doris? someone unfriendly there? these are the kinds of things i also want to know before i go somewhere. and these days you get your answers online. it's a target was in christina, hey,
now launched a constitutional appeal. arguing that women should have the right to access information online. poland is one european country that's recently imposed drastic restrictions on abortion. a move that triggered large scale protest . previous to this law, abortion was only legal in 3 instances. when the pregnancy threatened the woman's life was the result of rape or incest. or in the case of fetal abnormalities. the new law revokes the last case a few months earlier, in june, thousands took to the streets to protest the plan changes to the countries abortion law by the increasingly autocratic law and justice party. the big ahead of the movement,
martyr lampart the best known women's rights activists in poland. so we were for listening about everything basically about the have about the hate to us women about the hate that the or surgery versus the rules are going to lose your independence for lockers for doctors, nurses and so on. so on the tightening of abortion laws is tant, down to a total balance again. well, that will not be as it used as of the level of the mo, langkow example. it's just that awesome. vermont lampart. this constitutes an attack on women. she knew it was just the new little implemented law. he just established law by the parliament. it's not signed by the philip president yet about who might sign that on monday, on tuesday. and that the law that says that each time anyone provides you the more from poland and the punishment will be jailed. we had other punishment like pines his own. and now we will be just dale. i sold this history of right,
very strict law. and it was he done in this economic package about the prices so which is hollands recently that they could have like a minute to put it into parliament. and now we are waiting florida for the beautiful to the president. and then we want to worship them. polish society is divided for some the new abortion law is simply medieval. while others think the government is finally doing the right thing. despite these vociferous protests, many polls are happy with the legislation. ah, this is a profoundly catholic nation, after all home to radical catholic organizations. sanchez, auto juris. won't. will of your great countrymen in saint john you don't jam follow the rule. you say, say,
now when you guard demonstrating in favor of death, he who told you about this cult that you had on the communes. go back she'll catholicism and celebrate life, and stop demonstrating in order to, to kill little babies before they even bow. we wish to send a clear message to brussels. has all the traditional family hands off the traditional male and female identities, hands off national savannah. now we are in the middle of the global war. this is a war between the cache of death and the country, like the demonstrators say, members of order. juris are the architects behind the new legislation. order. juris says it is an independent catholic institution. it's influence has grown considerably in poland in recent years, put
to we, we can anticipate what the ideas will be and it will be among the most ultraconservative extremist ideas. one can imagine. and then from these ideas or do you has, has been able to present a very clean image of themselves. so dr. now they look like nice, respectable lawyers wearing a suit and tie speaking a language tra, steeped in this fake human rights language that i mentioned earlier with a lot of legal sounding things. and it doesn't pass the test of actual legal language. but it, it sounds good enough. ah, for the movement protesting the new abortion law. order. juris represents the enemy . you order. juris chance, the angry crowd. order your estate. hell. draft the new law and has even founded its own faculty for medical law and i of ethics that jenna jesse act is director of
the center. the catholic organisation is bankrolled, by donations from home and abroad. was networks extending across europe. a settle to her other europe for them. ye hockey out of you shall esteem in the fall of his quarter both c order juris institute and i myself believe that abortion is the murder of a human being for you. there is scientific evidence that from the moment of conception, we are dealing with a human being the hold of no cover each, essentially amended sinner. close to the hotel, or is this the panels called my mother to nina. what's crucial here is that this person has its own genome, distinct from that of its parents are and there's no doubt at all that this is a human genome aldridge itself, again on e. you want to come up, do i just, i'm gonna build ski order. juris focuses on children born to polish families, but europe's right wing parties and abortion band plays internationalist feelings.
little fe, migrants have more children than europeans. is that a problem ha, dog with an actual i took it to mr. vicious casual. good. all then? yes. the birth rate among migrants which is higher than in families who live in the respective country, or have the citizenship of an e. you nation is certainly concerning a problem. australia. look it out off. it's not the migrants that had the problem. yeah, i think it's more that e, you citizens the being faced with a conundrum. gotcha. it's sort of our standard of living is improving. we're leading better, more comfortable lives. it could, it would and that's why it's difficult to understand why fewer and fewer children a being born in gun jupiter, they origin the yellow jet problem in is thought i would be to send you some push others to keep like you heard you, lou. conservative activists hope
a stringently conservative family planning policy will help counter the trend. pro lifers started forming international networks years ago. the last major european gathering took place in 2019 before the corona virus. it the world congress of families where religious pro lifers and right wing conservative politicians have been meeting for a quarter of a century. every country has its own laws. every species is there stated, aim to celebrate the traditional family. the world needs 0 children thousands took part in the congress in the italian city of verona. in addition to arch conservative politicians and christian leaders from all over the world, italian pro lifers, and counter demonstrators were also in attendance. journalist adam ramsey
infiltrated the congress under cover for the liberal online platform opened democracy. ramsey claimed to have inherited a huge fortune, and that he was ready to donate it to a worthy cause. i went to the, well, congress and families posing as a potential funder for different registered service groups. i told people that my uncle had died and he was a very religious man. and i was looking for causes to give his money to that. i knew who believe in and the aiming was to get him to tell me about how they were organizing. this is what ramsey observed over several days at the congress to war, congressional families, which was a major gatherings across the pallet of ultraconservative in the far right groups. we find absolutely, you know, the kind of christian conservative movement,
the anti abortion movement. rubbing shoulders with the ac d and other for right groups in germany. ramsey managed to gain access to the inner circles of power. he was in contact with this man ignacio as who aga, he's the head of citizen, go a right wing, conservative online action group and petition platform focused on europe. the natural family is under attack all over the world because this culture war and i agree with steve, shirley, i'm, it's are global war. the meeting brings together ultra conservatives and christian fundamentalists all celebrating the traditional family. it is free for the natural family. pray for our families. trust. god drives the divine providence.
that isn't god has branches in many european union nations, representatives work to establish political contacts wherever they can. the world congress on families is the big networking event. at the meeting, journalist ramsey got a chance to talk with citizen, go boss. as who aga, he recorded the conversation on his phone. no, been going through. we would launch a campaign in a couple of countries where we want to make an impact. probably those countries where you have anti globalist, you know, people who don't like the european union parties that don't want the european union to get international issues. and at the same time, parties that are closer to us in terms of family life. so let's say in poland, hungary, italy, you know, maybe in germany too. and in spain,
even smaller countries like silver kia. but they have very few delegates in the european parliament, the big of the country, the larger the influence moment. or what he said to me was that absolutely i could give him money in his organization money in order to support groups like f d and the law and justice party in poland and v dash in hungry and vaux in spain. the way he would do this is by running smear campaigns against their opponents. so he wouldn't explicitly support the fall right parties, but he told me they had close connection to these parties. they met with him regularly and if i gave them money, they would use that money to attack these parties. opponents driving voters towards the far right part is in theory. despite protests, the ultra conservatives have plenty of financial support. on the one hand, there is money coming over here. we did the report which we released in june of
this year over the past in years. it's over $80000000.00 that has come from the united states into europe, which is the 3rd largest mot. larger of mos come from russian federation and even larger, larger amounts come from europe itself. in italy, religious anti abortionist have been growing bolder, burying aborted fetuses in cemeteries is one tactic a burial ground in rome that she me taro, fleming. yo. the cross is here, bear the names of aborted o miscarriage fetuses and their mothers without their knowledge. ah, castaway pro life group saw legally able to apply to hospitals for burial permits. with the
aborted fetuses are then given a catholic burial. it is i got dolly got a key to dealing with. the catholic church believes really that even in the case of abnormalities, even if the fetus cannot survive early, pregnancy must be brought to term at all costs school quick. it's even gone as far as the setting up of the hospice in rome and accommodating families that have somehow been for security and tenuous. such a pregnant saying that it was 3 this results in the birth of a baby that can't survive unless they can leave it at this hospice to die. and it also interesting, christoph, is that in
a more since january 2021, poland abortion band has been near total. anti abortion propaganda is also widespread. this is impacting the work of doctors and hospitals. meadows while vill gosh, is a professor of prenatal diagnostics at the medical university of warsaw. he feels threatened evil. but as i'm severe now say, proud say uncle akashic told him, runs on the agnostic or as washed. i don't know how we can go on with our work as diagnosticians in prenatal therapy in particular. i couldn't have imagined being undermined like this. working in such intimidating circumstances. i've always emphasized that all invasive procedures, including the operations we carry out,
has a highly complex and serious matters of belongings. even the simplest can lead to a variety of complications that we can't control. it was not as io public one. yeah, it can simply happen being so she is on a village that postal morisha village. the doctor fears that if the death of an embryo is deemed to be an abortion, he'll have to go to jail. now, every diagnosis is legally sensitive, but then you're putting a tongue, a sewing machine, shivered if this prenatal diagnosis, indicate serious, irreversible damage, or disability and the fetus. previously that would have been a reason to terminate the pregnancy that the decision was taken by the patient. not the doctor. i want to stress that, but i'm not now that's in the past. even in the case of a severely sick fetus with a fatal defect, where it's known in advance that there is no chance of survival hormone either because it will die in the womb or shortly after birth. even then the patient has
no option but to continue the pregnancy, but he and he can save babies like these hospices are being set up for the others. their mothers are expected to wait for their fetus to die, or leave the new bonds to be careful until they perish. marcel and bond 6 months after the mass demonstrations centrally. what we've got now is a total ban on abortion. and 2nd, previously we had 3 exceptions, but one of them was the reason for 98 percent of cases where the fetus is showing irreversible abnormalities. now that exception has been found to be unconstitutional. leaving $30.00 to $40.00 abortions in poland every year. by that i mean legal terminations, of course only aborts martel em pants fight against the law and justice party and for women and their rights has made her
a household name in poland. now she is recognized on the street, but she hasn't achieved her goals on your legal nickel. there are a 100000 devotions every year, some say a 150000. we're dealing with a total ban, but that doesn't mean no abortions to taking place. there just happening illegally or abroad. so do women no longer have any right to make decisions about their own bodies in the me? yes, we do have that rights. it's inalienable. but the state doesn't guarantee us this medical service and even threatens us with punishments. abortions have happened, do happen, and will continue to happen in the future. even the conservatives concede that slide. move vermont lampart, the future looks bleak. she doesn't think things will change any time soon. some women who can't abort in poland, come to berlin. they come to zara deal. they get help from the feminist and her
organization, santa barbara, or cha cha basha in polish. such a hassle and does not include essentially, char basha tries to provide a complete package. we make all the appointments for the women from poland and interpret at these appointments, primarily at the clinics and the counseling session. and we also provide a private room if the woman needs to spend the night with us over the seattle, we can make sure we can accommodate them and provide them with financial support as well. because we rely on private donations to enable us to cover everything you travel causes the procedure and everything, so that the women get an all round service and a safe abortion here. this are a problem to become polish. women undergo a safe abortion here at this berlin medical center. since pony shores were tightened, there's been a rise in demand, but only a slight one. after all,
the situation was difficult already. at once had such a zillow of i had lost her and the things have changed for us in as far as we getting more requests one. but i don't think that's necessarily because the last were tightened because women seeking later abortions weren't getting any help in poland. anyway, it's a doctor's, there were so afraid they were refusing to help women before all. if there's a family from 23 years ago we had women coming to us in exactly the same circumstances. i guess they could no longer find any doctors in poland willing to help them with kind of estimate from having the inclusion. hm. i think if things aren't particularly rosy in germany either to possession, there are still many women who are really ashamed to ask their gynecologist about it. or you find themselves having to make loads of calls, trying to find someone offering the service or who struggled to get information on how the procedure even works. and from yet practicing abortion with papayas,
a workshop run by the organization, doctors for choice. it's a chance for medical students to learn how to carry out a termination. it's also aimed at addressing any reservations they may have on file when you visited in the many universities don't include abortion in the medical studies curriculum. and if they do, usually only the legal aspects looks hats or it's dealt with as a problematic medical ethics issues with the actual medical methods. they're often not towards ones that that's why we've been offering these papaya courses. said that this a space to come into contact with the subject in the 1st place, to take a good look at it and maybe even hold the instruments that many students think it's a major stomach operation. and a very surprised to learn that it's a relatively minor procedure. many universities don't yet provide this kind of space as a tittle. no finished elisia bye,
a co founded doctors for choice in response to worrying developments in germany. to put knows that the truck can i assist a provide a situation will get worse because many of those carrying out abortions are still doing it only because they can't find any one to take over. so they're continuing for a few years past their retirement age. but when they stop, that's going to be a problem. urgent political measures, they're required to not much has happened to date. in the absence of a standard medical abortion training. elisia bye hopes, how students can make a difference isn't a time more convenient for many of them i really enthusiastic and even came to organized i or workshops themselves, have somebody so i do feel some hope. and we need hope because the next few years look really bleak as far as providers go. many of the doctors still carrying out the bushes, the working pulse, their retirement age does middle at some point,
they're going to stop and what then. maybe in 10 or 20 years time, these students will be able to improve things. who knows embassy as i'm in awe . valentina malott's ros funeral is indelibly etched on the memories of many italians. ah, the final day of the court hearing was a year ago. the family is still waiting for a decision. their wounds will never heal. rest is on the billing gray, that criminals and all they didn't call to offer their condolences leave and the flowers very well for a 32 year old woman with her tiny twins who they killed who they allowed to die.
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