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mm mm mm. a court hearing in cataneo sicily, a young woman died, an abortion would have saved her life, but doctors refused to perform the operation on moral grounds. now, valentine, his family is fighting for justice. spare yamaha, for voucher just feature. the longest villamore we hunt, the justice will prevail, were not her daughter. we can't bring valentino back because these bloody doctors are still working on the hospital as if nothing happened. lascola. that's not right in the 4th. this will chester, the crystal, on a joseph on trial 7 doctors at the hospital where 32 year old valentina looked so lost her life. but there is
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little hope for the family in italy, doctors have the right to refuse an abortion on moral grounds. ah, the woman is denied a life saving abortion and dies in italy in the heart of europe and ah, in many european nations, women are taking to the streets once again to fight for their rights, including the right to abortion from we think we have progressive abortion laws which guarantee women a certain right to access abortion. but what we find instead is that the laws that we have are really quite antiquated. ah, ah,
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ah. valentina millard, so from catania. the young woman was expecting twins after a course of ivy, if she and her husband really wanted children. if hillary run into you know, la la la luna credited upon a one year my daughter valentina worked at the bank in california. she had an important assignment that go to my land to a special course federal. she was going to become a director there. beside it, needed to shebra even to novice on the 29th of september. she had an appointment with her gynecologist, which she paid for herself because he promised her. if you come in september, i'll tell you a sex of the twins. edward generally examination showed that her survey was already dilated. valentina was sent to the hospital in cataneo immediately. an
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ultrasound scan carried out there determined that the fetuses would not survive, but the doctors refused to terminate the pregnancy. later they cited moral grounds. you're not a real mice in today, but loudly made issue or be i'd never heard of dr to a conscientious objectors to we later found out that all the doctors in the hospitals, gynecology department are a 100 percent. objectors told me if i'd known that i never would have taken my daughter, there were no causal. jenny murphey general deliverable tele valentino stayed in hospital in great pain, says her father, she was expected to wait for the natural still birth of her babies. after 12 days, one of the fetuses died by now valentina was seriously ill. her
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body temperature was fluctuating wildly, and her blood pressure was low. everything pointed to census caused by the dead fetus to treat her agony. all she got was paracetamol. join my wife asked her darling, how are you feeling? she replied, mamma, i'm dying of chris mamma, i'm dying and most criminals did nothing. absolutely nothing that only then did the doctors remove the dead fetus, but they didn't treat. the sam says, says valentine, as father that plan was to wait until the 2nd twins heartbeat stopped. the family stood by helplessly watching valentina fight. but a life. loy little adjustable and before a bell mazin at some point we were outside and we heard a cry from valentino, but we still didn't know what was wrong with it. so
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a cry from valentina and then nothing was said. the doctor says, yes, it's serious. we have to resuscitate her. it's gonna come out in my daughters incubated yoletta. i touch her for a cold, and the young woman's tragic death occurred in 2016 valentine. his parents had been fighting for justice ever since. my jewels adel valentina story re ignited a public debate across italy and to number at the hospital stood by its handling of the case claiming her death was unavoidable. the doctors then stated that they were conscientious objectors, which was why they refused to carry out an abortion. nino, many italian women took to the streets. valentina dismayed. the doctor's morals could take precedence over a woman's life. there
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were also protests in rome. one of the demonstrators was local politician and doctor is a better candidate on a long time champion of women's rights in italy. she says the situation is getting was che, at warner skiing dad could a shame day that bad day the lan, fast growing pressure from religious organizations and from this group of doctors who are conscientious objectors. lieutenant eagle shane sir. ah, they maintain that embryos and fetuses are fully fledged people just like women be only a fee. so no. so on this as an international initiative, i wellness that school. so finding support in italy,
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dia. so that will sustain for, for decades, italian law has granted women the right to an abortion within the 1st 3 months of pregnancy after a medical consultation. but doctors are not obliged to terminate to pregnancy, if they object to it on moral grounds. and more than 70 percent of gynecologists refuse to perform both consultations and abortions. that number is on the rise in brussels. neal data watches, this development with concern, he's a specialist for european questions concerning reproductive rights and women's health. this was an idea of catholic thinkers at the time and was, and it seems very reasonable. but what's in fact, it, the way it has been use in italy has gone from a personal choice of conscious conscience to not be involved in an act which 1 may
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have more reservations about. and it's become an institutionalized system to deny women medical care. so that in italy, doctors who, who are not conscientious objectors, may find limitations in their careers. and therefore, this means that the number of doctors who are objectors of conscience is very high in certain regions of italy in rome, almost 80 percent of gynecologists don't want to have anything to do with abortion . another difficult area, prenatal diagnostics, mr. yang. louis, louis, the young it is that there's nothing left. what we're seeing is a religious push to take control of our health care system. what did it, what does that mean to me? i'll give you a practical example that in the nazi or region at the entire system of prenatal
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diagnostics is religious. that means that the present time in latino, we don't have a single thank in the, in the acute inducting pre natal diagnostics effect on your feet to says the nevada sushi access to abortion and to advice beyond the moral teachings of the church in italy. that's tricky. in germany, things haven't been getting easy either. the portion is technically illegal. however, if women seek advice from an official counseling service, they are allowed to terminate a pregnancy within the 1st 12 weeks. but the number of doctors willing to actually provide abortions are rapidly declining 2 decades ago, some 2050 doctors and clinics provided abortions in germany. now that
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number is down by almost half. take munster, for example, one of the largest doctors who provided abortions recently retired. now the student city faces an even greater shortage. just to doctors offer abortions here. despite the large student population in catholic monster, many are against the right to terminate the pregnancy. the 1000 crosses march takes place here. every year christians conduct a pro life prayer procession through the city center. the thank the gynecologists here are unwilling to conduct terminations is also problematic for the counseling service. pro familiar who have been fearfully gay. at 13, there are far too few doctors who are able to conduct a pregnancy termination who are trained to do so,
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who have the facilities and are willing to do this kind of work at latin to st alfredo home with that so. so due to the stigmatization and the criminalization of these doctors, surgeries by 2 doctors retired. now that means we have to send many women to clinics and surgeries far from home. fan to pack for the cleaning, soccer. shaking in germany, a woman might have to travel up to 150 kilometers. one way for an abortion of frequent situation in munster, this mother from munster, wanted an abortion and discovered just how difficult it is to find a doctor to carry it out. she wishes to remain anonymous. i sat down with my husband one evening and googled abortion minister, and there were no results. so then i looked to the websites of gynecology clinics, and there was nothing. we couldn't believe it. we thought we might be looking in
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the wrong place. in any case, when we were at the counseling session, which was supposed to take us through all our options, we were told in no uncertain terms. this is not about helping you with any practical steps for getting an abortion the mother of to made her decision. another child would simply be too much for the family. at the counseling session, she and her husband were questioned about their choice, but they weren't given any addresses. eventually they found the 2 months debased doctors, but both were on vacation. so the mother of 2 travelled, 100 kilometers to bela felt where she received r. u for 86, the abortion pill. you take the 1st pill there and then you go home. actually i had to go straight to work because i couldn't take the day off. and you take the 2nd pill a few days later at home. after that, she returned to beulah fouled for
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a checkup. it turned out that although the fetus was no longer viable, the amniotic sac was still there that could have led to an infection. so a cure, a tosh was needed. the procedure could be carried out in munster at the catholic hospital, but no one should be told about the abortion bills advised. her doctor in bella felt on the referral notes. she wrote that a cure tarsh was necessary, but not because of any termination. she made it very clear to me that i shouldn't say a word about it. to this day, she feels too ashamed to talk to anyone about the abortion as each lover, i think there's a total lack of debate within society on this issue says t mountain dish law. and i also think that society isn't aware of the difficulties . women still face to this day pan. among those difficulties,
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protests outside counseling centers in germany. it monster these take place on the 22nd day of each month. had its 5 mile allison. and as i've clashed with pro lifers, he forced their way into our office twice at home on friday afternoons. when i just happened to be on my own, i had trouble getting them to leave quantity. it was very unsettling shipments. it was cancelled when a man named him either the yell would are gone. he bitter feelings in the yes, in this room, the men are outside the center to day kneeling and singing. oh, christine's either can you understand that women coming here for advice or might not like the fact that you're standing here? the scanning flushed in? yes, i can understand that this is that we live in
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a democracy in our not them. we have freedom of assembly and that's why we attend as a prayer group. as you can see, we've got pictures with us but not reproachful images by of where bringing this to the public's attention and hope to create some sort of change filled all of us for and also come with many counseling centers are now seeing this kind of protest across germany, take frankfurt where local authorities have had to introduce a no goes down. mm . and then there's the online anti abortion movement. websites like baby cost list, so called abortionist in germany and equate what they do with a holocaust. this has serious consequences for individual doctors hasn't done
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torment. it's vermont ongoing village as i received death threats via email diesel. and then there are those so called christians who say they want to see me burn in hell and write the punishment will come will. but it's so clear if they were allowed to burn me, then they do it straight away is, is who club and to me for plan, do often of and the sofa tune. mm. christina hannah is one of the doctors in germany who want to be able to speak openly about abortion. she went to court to defend her right, to include information about abortion on her home page. here are some reactions to if i, as an embryo, had a gum. i'd take you out 1st. that's for sure. do you have children?
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you're a mass murderer. so you want to help women become murderers . you are an ugly, despicable norm. german baby murderer. i ask you sometimes fear for your life in all my veto yarn and get us of it a vic now and again. yes. but then it goes away. i've been, i've to book and then i think i'm too well known for them to do anything to me. my uncle doesn't, but on the other hand, i think, well, they're all fanatics, and even the pope is describing us as contract killers off talks. then someone could just come and say, i'm killing this woman on god's behalf. forgot this is jesus holland, plenum fiery florida. we're near seattle mile blanket picola. barry saga, barbara name here, call me if he thought elsie 5 you parasol room brooklyn. christina hannah,
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once women to have unrestricted access to both information and medical care. should they wish to terminate a pregnancy? but paragraph 219, a of the german constitution makes it a crime for doctors to publicly advertise that they perform abortions. we are clod munsey flushed in previously, you'd get your information from brochures that the doctor's surgery or at the counseling center may be as i do, but now with the internet, it's completely normal. if i'm looking for a doctor or anything else, to carry out an internet search 1st, where can i get that done? what methods does this doctor offer? what do other patients say? is this doctor's office good doris? someone unfriendly there. say these are the kinds of things i also want to know before i go somewhere. and these days you get your answers online to talk. it was in christina, hey, now launched
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a constitutional appeal. arguing that women should have the right to access information online. poland days, one european country that's recently imposed drastic restrictions on abortion. a move that triggered large scale protest. previous to this law, abortion was only legal in 3 instances. when the pregnancy threatened the woman's life was the result of rape or incest. or in the case of fetal abnormalities. the new law revokes the last case a few months earlier, in june, thousands took to the streets to protest the plan changes to the countries abortion law. by the increasing the autocratic law and justice party the big ahead of the movement martel and bought the best known women's rights
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activists in potent. so we were promising about everything basically about the hey, it's about the hate to us live in about the hate that the or survivors as the rules are going to lose your independence for lockers for doctors, nurses and so on. so on the tightening of abortion laws is tantamount to a total band again. well, that will not be other uses of the level of the ho legal, but that was, it was that awesome vermont lampart. this constitutes an attack on women. can you? it was just an you'll implemented law to somebody slot by the parliament. it's not signed by the fellow president. he had about few might sign that a monday on tuesday, a that the law that says that each time anyone provides you the more from poland and the punishment will be jailed. we had other bonnie spend like pines lesson, and now we will be just dale. so this is 3 of right,
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very strict law and it will see them in this economic package about it and they get prices. so which is hands recently that they could have. luckily they put it into parliament and now we are waiting for that for the beautiful to the president and then we want to force him to eat them. polish society is divided for some, the new abortion law is simply met evil. while others think the government is finally doing the right thing. despite these vociferous protests, many polls are happy with the legislation. ah, this is a profoundly catholic nation, after all. home to radical catholic organizations, sanchez, auto juris. what will of your great countrymen in saint john john john?
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follow the rule. you say say now when you got them a shaking in favor of death. he who told you about this cult that you held on the communist go back to catholicism and celebrate live in stock demonstrating in order to to kill little babies before they even bow. we wish to sell a clear message to brussels hands of the traditional family hands are the traditional male and female identities. hands off national savannah. ah, we are in the middle of the global war. this is a war between the kasha of death and culture like the demonstrator say, members of order. juris are the architects behind the new legislation. order euro says it is an independent catholic institution. it's influence has grown considerably. and boland, in recent years, pulled
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to we, we can anticipate what the ideas will be and it will be among the most ultraconservative extremist ideas. one can imagine. and then from these ideas or do you has, has been able to present a very clean image of themselves. so dr. now they look like nice, respectable lawyers wearing a suit and tie speaking a language tra, steeped in this fake human rights language that i mentioned earlier with a lot of legal sounding things. and it doesn't pass the test, the actual legal language. but it, it sounds good enough. ah, for the movement protesting the new abortion law order. juris represents the enemy . you order. juris chance the angry crowd order you are as did help draft the new law and has even founded its own faculty for medical law and i of ethics. that agenda jesse act is director of the center. the catholic
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organisation is bankrolled by donations from home and abroad was networks extending across europe, a settled her other juris. pardon me, hockey, out of the shell. a statement of some of these quarter both see order. juris institute and i myself believe that abortion is the murder of a human being for you. there is scientific evidence that from the moment of conception, we are dealing with a human being the vault of no cover each essentially amended sinner does with us all, as there is the panels call monitor, turning out what's crucial here is that this person has its own genome, distinct from that of its parents back out. and there's no doubt at all that this is a human genome, although itself, again on e new only gonna do, i just, i'm gonna build sky order. juris focuses on children born to polish families, but europe's right wing parties and abortion band plays internationalist feelings.
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little they migrants have more children than europeans. is that a problem ha, dog with young electrolyte? it reached out vicious gosnell also. yes. the birth rate among migrants which is higher than in families who live in the respective country, or have the citizenship of an e. you nation is certainly concerning a problem. australia will get out of it's not the migrant that of the problem. yeah, i think it's more that e, you citizens the being faced with a conundrum teacher. it's sort of our standard of living is improving. where leading better and more comfortable lives up to it. and that's why it's difficult to understand why fewer and fewer children a being born in the garage. i origin gillard yet the problem in your thought i would offer to send you some push others to key. thank you. thank you. lou. conservative activists hope
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a stringently conservative family planning policy will help counter the trend. pro lifers started forming international networks years ago. the last major european gathering took place in 2019 before the corona virus in the world. congress of families where religious pro lifers and right wing conservative politicians have been meeting for a quarter of a century. every country has its own laws. every species, their stated aim to celebrate the traditional family. the world needs zeroes. children thousands took part in the congress in the italian city of verona. in addition to arch conservative politicians and christian leaders from all over the world, italian pro lifers, and counter demonstrators were also in attendance. journalist adam ramsey infiltrated the congress under cover for the liberal online platform open democracy
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. ramsey claimed to have inherited a huge fortune, and that he was ready to nate it to a worthy cause. i went to the, well, congress and families, i'm posing as a potential funder for different religious, conservative groups. i tell people that my uncle had died and he was a very religious man. and i was looking for causes to give his money to you that i knew who believe in. and the aiming was to get him to tell me about how they were organizing. this is what ramsey observed over several days at the congress to war, congressional families, which was a major gatherings across the paulette all kind of ultraconservative in the far right groups. we find absolutely, you know, the kind of christian conservative movement,
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the anti abortion movement. rubbing shoulders with the ac d and other for right groups in germany. ramsey managed to gain access to the inner circles of power. he was in contact with this man ignacio as who aga, he's the head of citizen, go a right wing, conservative online action group and petition platform focused on europe. that natural family is under attack all over the world. because this culture war and i agree with steve turley, ah, it's are global war. the meeting brings together ultra conservatives and christian, fundamentalists all celebrating the traditional family freight for the natural family. pray for our families. trust, god drives the divine providence. it is in god as branches in
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many european union nations, representatives work to establish political contacts wherever they can. the world congress on families is the big networking event. at the meeting, journalist ramsey got a chance to talk with citizen, go boss. as who aga, he recorded the conversation on his phone. no, been going through, we would launch a campaign and a couple of countries where we want to make an impact. probably those countries where you have anti globalist, you know, people who don't like the european union parties that don't want the european union to get international issues. and at the same time, parties that are closer to us in terms of family life. so let's say in poland, hungary, italy, you know, maybe in germany too. and in spain, even smaller countries like silver kia,
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but they have very few delegates in the european parliament, the big of the country, the larger the influence. oh, what he said to me was that absolutely i could give him money in his organization money in order to support groups like f d and the law and justice party in poland and v dash in hungry and vaux in spain. the way he would do this is by running smear campaigns against their opponents. so he wouldn't explicitly support the far right parties, but he told me they had close connection to these parties. they met with him regularly. if i gave them money, they would use that money to attack these parties. opponents driving voters towards the far right party, his in theory. despite protests, the ultra conservatives have plenty of financial support. on the one hand, there is money coming over here. we did a report which we released in june of this year over the past 10 years. it's over
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$18000000.00 that has come from the united states into europe, which is the 3rd largest to much larger of mos come from russian federation and even larger, larger amounts come from europe itself. in italy, religious anti abortionist have been growing bolder, burying aborted fetuses in cemeteries is one tactic a burial ground in rome that shimmy taro. fleming. neo, the cross is here. bear the names of a bought it all miscarried fetuses and their mothers without their knowledge. ah, cast late pro life group saw legally able to apply to hospitals for burial permits with the
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aborted fetuses are then given a catholic burial. it is, i got dolly got a key to deliver the catholic church beneath feeling that even in the case of abnormalities, even if the fetus cannot survive early, pregnancy must be brought to term at all costs school quick. it's even gone as far as the setting up of the hospice in room accommodating families that have somehow been 40 and 10 you in such a pregnant saying that it was 3 this results in the baby that can't survive unless they can leave it at this hospice to die in ego center said english class, is that more since january 2021?
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0 linds abortion band has been near total. anti abortion propaganda is also widespread. this is impacting the work of doctors and hospitals meadows, while via gosh, is a professor of prenatal diagnostics. at the medical university of warsaw, he feels threatened even, but as i'm a sticker, i was watched. i don't know how we can go on with our work as diagnosticians in prenatal therapy in particular. i couldn't have imagined being undermined like this and working in such intimidating circumstances. i've always emphasized that all invasive procedures, including the operations we carry out, has a highly complex and serious matters of collisions. even the simplest can lead to
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a variety of complications that we can't control was not as io require. it can simply happen being so she is organization postal militia, the dodge, the don't to fears that if the death of an embryo is deemed to be an abortion, he'll have to go to jail. now, every diagnosis is legally sensitive, but on your planet tongue the song was changed. if it, if this prenatal diagnosis, indicate serious, irreversible damage or disability and the fetus. previously that would have been a reason to terminate the pregnancy that the decision was taken by the patient. not the doctor. i mean, i want to stress that, but i'm not now that's in the past. we are, even in the case of a severely sick fetus, with a fatal defect where it's known in advance that there is no chance of survival hormone either because it will die in the womb or shortly after birth. even then
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the patient has no option but to continue the pregnancy bazzi and he can save babies like these hospices are being set up for the others. their mothers are expected to wait for their fetus to die or leave the new bonds to be careful until they perish. marcella impart 6 months after the mass demonstrations centrally. what we've got now is a total ban on abortion and 2nd, previously we had 3 exceptions, but one of them was the reason for 98 percent of cases where the fetus is showing irreversible abnormalities. now that exception has been found to be unconstitutional. leaving $30.00 to $40.00 abortions in poland every year. by that i mean legal terminations, of course only aborts martel em pants fight against the law and justice party and for women and their rights has made her a household name in poland. now she is recognized on the street,
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but she hasn't achieved her goals on your legal nickel. there are a 100000 devotions every year, some say a 150000. we're dealing with a total ban, but that doesn't mean no abortions to taking place. there just happening a legally or abroad so do women no longer have any right to make decisions about their own bodies? and i'm a yes we do have that right. it's inalienable, but the state doesn't guarantee us this medical service and even threatens us with punishments. abortions have happened. do happen, and will continue to happen in the future. even the conservatives concede that slight blue, vermont lem part, the future looks bleak. she doesn't think things will change any time soon. some women who can't abort in poland, come to berlin, they come to zara deal. they get help from the feminist and her organization,
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santa barbara, or cha cha basha in polish. such a battle and does not include essentially, char basha tries to provide a complete package. we make all the appointments for the women from poland and interpret at these appointments primarily at the clinics and the counseling session . and we also provide a private room if the woman needs to spend the night with us over the sea. i thought we can make sure we can accommodate them and provide them with financial support as well. because we rely on private donations to enable us to cover everything you travel, causes the procedure and everything, so that the women get an all round service and a safe abortion here, fisher, a problem to become polish. women undergo a safe abortion here at this berlin medical center. since bonus roles were tightened, there's been a rise in demand, but only a slight one. after all,
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the situation was difficult already. at once had such a zone of i had lost her and the things have changed for us in as far as we getting more request one. but i don't think that's necessarily because the last were tightened because women seeking later abortions weren't getting any help in poland . anyway, from the doctors, there were so afraid they were refusing to help women before all of their families from to 3 years ago. we had women coming to us in exactly the same circumstances. i guess they could no longer find any doctors in poland willing to help them when kind of estimate from having the info from hum, michigan things aren't particularly rosy in germany either to possess it. there are still many women who are really ashamed to austin gynecologist about it. or he find themselves having to make loads of call house trying to find someone offering the service or who struggled to get information on how the procedure even works. and
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from yet practicing abortion with papayas, a workshop run by the organization, doctors for choice. it's a chance for medical students to learn how to carry out a termination. it's also aimed at addressing any reservations they may have. and few visited, in many universities, don't include abortion in the medical studies curriculum. and if they do, usually only the legal aspects, the looked hat or it's dealt with as a problematic medical ethics issue with the actual medical methods. they're often not towards ones that that's why we've been offering these papaya courses, said that there's a space to come into contact with the subject in the 1st place to take a good look at it and maybe even hold the instruments that many students think it's a major stomach operation and a very surprised to learn that it's a relatively minor procedure. many universities don't yet provide this kind of space and visiting no finished elisia bye are co founded doctors for
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choice. in response to worrying developments in germany. default knows that the pro can i system a provide a situation will get worse because many of those carrying out abortions are still doing it, tony because they can't find any one to take over. so they're continuing for a few years past their retirement age. but when they stop, that's going to be a problem. urgent political measures are required and not much has happened to date . in the absence of a standard medical abortion training elisia bye hopes, how students can make a difference isn't to tell much india too many of them. i really enthusiastic and even came to organize papaya workshops themselves have somebody so i do feel some hope and we need hope because the next few years look really bleak as far as providers go. many of the doctors still carrying out abortions, the working pulse, their retirement age, one does middle at some point i going to stop and what then. maybe in 10 or 20
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years time, these students will be able to improve things. who knows, understood as i'm in awe. ah, valentina maluso is funeral, is indelibly etched on the memories of many italians. ah, the final day of the court hearing was a year ago. the family is still waiting for a decision their wounds will never heal. list is on the dylan gray, that criminals and all they didn't call to offer their condolences leave and the flowers very well for a 32 year old woman with a tiny twins who they killed most of who they allowed to die from. what either you
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