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tv   WSJ at Large With Gerry Baker  FOX Business  April 21, 2019 7:30am-8:00am EDT

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business, weekday sixth&i name eastern, mornings with maria right here on the fox business network sixth&i name eastern. that will do a first for this weekend. thank you for joining me. we will see you next time. gerry: hello and welcome to the wall street journal at large. it is easter and passover we can. a solemn moment in the calendar for most americans and this year especially holy week has been full of symbolism about the possibility of hope, the promise of redemption and the reality of eternity last weekend tiger woods won at the masters term appeared and we witnessed notre dame in paris consumed by fire. but, through the flames,
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apparently surviving and with a promise to rebuild one day, we can expect to perhaps to rise again from the ashes. then on thursday we were reminded once again that just as life is potentially eternal, so is washington parts and bodily. and russian election middling, the report from robert miller. the bottom line was that mr. mueller found no evidence that president donald trump campaign conspired with the russians to help with the election. >> after nearly 2 years of investigation, thousands of subpoenas, hundreds of warrants and witness interviews, the special counsel confirmed that the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election. but did not find that the trump campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts. gerry: if you thought that
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would finally bury the controversy for the last two years, you did not read did you? because immediately seized on parts of the trumpet the president and his allies in a certain light. that they may have obstructed justice. and so, safe in the knowledge of the argument will continue to rage on all the way to the next election if not beyond. this week we will take a different tag and mark easter and passover weekend with consideration of spiritual realm.i sat on earlier this week with cardinal timothy dolan. the roman catholic archbishop of new york chicago at the church influence during these tempestuous times. cardinal, welcome. thank you for being here. >> good to be with you, thank you. gerry: easter weekend. once again, a very turbulent time in america and the world. turbulent for the church. what is the message of easter
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2000+ years after the first good friday? >> the message remains the same, but you are onto something and perhaps we needed more than ever in 2019. the message is one of hope. hope. what spring is to nature, rebirth, green, light, warmth. easter is to super nature, supernatural. good friday we are observing today, it does not have the last word. the new life of easter does, the victory and triumph of jesus by his resurrection. so there is great hope because very often, and i think today for sure, we feel hopeless. very often, we feel we are on good friday, often with thinking, who can rescue us? who can set us free? who can save us easter tells us , we learn the hard way, really cannot save
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ourselves. i will tell you who can save us, jesus christ, the only son of god who was crucified, died, buried and rose from the dead on easter sunday that gives us hope . gerry: how relevant is that message for many americans? polls suggest many americans are turning away from traditional christianity and religion but the recent polls show plurality of americans now claim no organize faith at all. it does seem last quarter century in particular there is a decline in number of americans, people in the west more generally, who believe in god, who believe in the christian message, the easter message.what do you think has happened? >> i'm afraid i have to agree with you. there is some dismal news out there. we kind of need and easter more than ever even within the church because we got all of
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this sobering news. the good news is, that what you might call spirituality, faith, belief, the search for the divine. that is still pretty energetic. in the american psyche and throughout the western world if we listen to the polls like the pew research center. the bad news for us is, not church membership, not an allegiance to a particular religion. so people love to believe there a bit hesitant to belong. obviously, the challenge for us is to attend to that spiritual hunger. and that is where i think hope comes in, the hope the easter brings. you look around today, and in some ways, even though externally, the statistics you just cited about a departure from traditional religion, in spite of that, you just see a hunger. if i could bring up some difficult topics. you see the rise of suicide. especially among young people. you see returning to drugs in the increase and addiction.
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you see kind of almost like an obsession now with privacy and being by ourselves. marriage itself, people, the number of people making a lifelong commitment in marriage. those are all challenges, gerry that can only be given in spiritual answer. and to which the virtue of hope is an answer. so i tend to build optimistic by nature. i would think that spiritual yearning, even the sociologists will rekindle eventually, belonging in the church. they would be people who say though that part of the reason for the decline in observance in churchgoing and believe in traditional church and catholic church in particular is the culture we live in has moved in the direction the church seems to oppose, issues such as anything from gay marriage,
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abortion, contraception, divorce. the sanctity of marriage. the church continues to preach a very strong message on those things. but the united states, many people in the practical lives have moved on beyond that and defined the church message irrelevant at best or worse actually harmful and offensive. >> afraid they have, afraid you are right. that again is a challenge for us within the church because very often, the church -- not only the catholic church but traditional, you know what statistics show is that the so-called inherited religions, in other words the religions into which we are born, what would that be? catholicism, judaism, orthodoxy, just to name a few. they are suffering a decline. because an inherited, the fact that you are born into a faith, no longer seems to have the impact that it used to. which brings up our whole challenge of evangelizing. inviting people back. but we have to do is cleanse
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ourselves of the caricatures of the church. and you just mentioned one. the church is often looked upon as one big naysayer. no, no, no. everything you want to do, no, no, no. we will not let you. you cannot do that. and recently the pope reminded us, john put the second, benedict the 16th and certainly francis. the church is not about a no, it is about yes. everything that is noble and life-giving in the church. the only thing in human person, the only thing that we say no to, is to another negative. and of course, two negatives make a positive. so we say no to the taking of innocent life because we are saying yes to life.yes to the sanctity.
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we have got to do better at recovering the affirmative side of the church. because this caricature of us being against everything is not working. gerry: we will come back and talk about how the church is dealing with challenges and society. we will be right back. ♪ there are roadside attractions. and then there's our world-famous
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timothy dolan of new york. thank you again. talk about the church being seen in a negative term. one of the things the church does have to do is, it plays a role in the modern world. we live in a political world
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and there's a lot of political controversies out there. like a gay marriage and abortion. i wonder, what is the right role for the church to play? we've had controversy over prominent catholics who support abortion and whether or not they should be denied communion. what should be -- we by the way have a possibility of a candidate for the present that could be a married, gay man. what is the right way the catholic should think about these issues? and how they should interact with this?>> was also claim to foow jesus don't have much of a choice because he said, you are the light of the world. let your light shine before all you are the salt of the earth. so we have to bring it in a very credible way, our religious convictions to the public square. now, and unisys america, we very much at home because our founding fathers believed firmly that a public square that was where religious values were absent, was -- the father
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lowcountry said it would be impossible for democracy to survive without a vibrant religious life. so the ability to bring religious values, your interior convictions to the public square, that is a catholic value. it is also very american value. now, how we do that is very important. we learn the hard way, you never want to coerce, you never want to impose, pope john paul ii used to say the church never imposes, she only proposes. in some of these issues, you mentioned some of them, whether it be the life of baby in the womb or gay marriage. for us, we would believe that our religious convictions don't just come from the catechism. don't just come from the bible as much as we cherish and depend upon those two sources. they also come from what we call natural law. that kind of hardwired in human psyche, is a basic sense of right and wrong.
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gerry: i want to comment, i think many people in the country feel the way in which a country is on these issues like gay marriage and abortion and in some ways they feel comfortable with it and in some ways i think it is part of the reason why the conservative movements have done very well politically. is there an opportunity or if you like, a risk for the church and that the church gets conservative christians get seen as being part of that movement, if you like, that is against the liberalization, against the modern movements for the more liberal. >> if we do analysis of people who leave the catholic church and there sure are a good number, we find out that more often than not, they do not leave to join a more liberal church. more often than not, they leave to join more conservative church because they are somewhat critical of the faith of their fathers, the catholic church. being sometimes a tad too
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accommodating to current -- they say they want to go to family has a sense of right and wrong, that has a loving mother but not afraid about the dangers. and we find today, that some people are saying we find today the church is now a little bit too permissive and a bit too accommodating. so we kind of get it from both sides. gerry: is not what francis is been trying to do? to make it seem a little more permissible. on issues like communion -- chris could be. i think he is remained solid on what you may call the basic issues of faith and morals. in the presentation of the public face, no doubt, he's trying to become a bit more conciliatory. gerry: will become back we will talk with the cardinal about one of the most pressing
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cardinal, cardinal timothy dolan. it is easter weekend. one of the reasons i think many people will feel that the churches let them down, or the distance from the church is obviously the issue of the abuse by priests and minors were seems to have been really extensive and in many countries around the world i think what people are most alarmed by his in some instances we are seeing now come the church authorities and minimum did not do enough to deal with it or in some cases actually seem to cover that up. what is the church doing to correct what is really one of the pretty great things, the
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great errors. >> when you come to the recognition admission of what the church is in the past, it can only cause you shame. it can cause you frustration and among love the people can only cause anger. and it has. and i'm afraid that you are right, it's one of the reasons people drift they say we are fed up with it.and we have to acknowledge that be realistic and honest. but i think we're doing that, the studies show us that the catholic people are furious about three things. fears about the priests would do such nauseating things. number two, they are furious with bishops that would've covered up and reassign them. and number three, the church seems to be the only being criticized saying as a cultural
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issue the great progress of the church made his not seem to be recognized. they seem to blame a lot of the problems on the culture that grew up in the 1960s, sexual freedom, sexual liberation. suggesting to a lot of people that even a pope in the 21st century didn't get it really. by blaming on a cultural problem, he wasn't dealing with the issue directly itself. and the pope himself, what are your views? >> i think you articulated which by the way is the perception of some people, is meant for misrepresentation. remember, before he became pope he was perfect to the congregation for the doctrine of faith which began to get all
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of these -- he was nauseated, he is the one that began to affect the reform and say the priests need to be removed. he is the one that said to pope john paul ii, you need to say, which john paul did, there is no room in the priesthood for anyone who would abuse a child. he is the one that -- i think what he saying that while the church was very guilty, he's not hot enough, we need to see what caused this. and the excesses of the 60s. most of the abuse occurred in the late 70s. anything goes, the most elementary notions of right and wrong were thrown out. if it feels good, do it. whatever you need to be satisfied is moral. gerry: that would extend to people abusing children.
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>> no one ever, ever -- once you get rid of the basic moral codes, you have got people who will do anything to precisely -- benedict says it has got to be some absolute right and absolute wrong. never take advantage of young person. never -- gerry: is pope francis -- >> is greatest reform. >> thank you. happy easter. gerry: coming up, final thoughts in the most holy and thoughts in the most holy and important season to christians.
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in shock and dismay is one of the most iconic buildings on the planet the cathedral of notre dame in paris was consumed by fire. too many the spectacle of the second most famous church in christendom burning in this holy week is the collapse of historic culture before the advancing flames of atheistic -- the reaction was swift and sympathetic however, with the promise to rebuild the cathedral. >> will call upon the greatest
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chalice in there a lot of them will contribute. and we will rebuild. we will rebuild notre dame because this is what the french expect. gerry: what exactly the planning to rebuild? there's a hint in a tweet from the former president barack obama this week saying, notre dame is one of the worlds greatest treasures. we are thinking of the people of france in your time agree. it's in our nature to more normalcy history loss but also in her nature to rebuild or tomorrow as strong as we can. think about those words, treasures, is not a church that they want to rebuild but a museum. how fitting. that is religion these days belongs. the faith that built this great cathedral. perhaps it is understandable. the secular creed is advancing just about everywhere. but it is i think on how far we've come through christianity has a long and some respects missed issue. but there is much to treasure in it. and it is a cornerstone of the great civilization that built the west after all. is it too much hope the moment of destruction might prompt
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more refraction on the virtues of the west, history and civilization and a little less on continuing cultural self emulation. that is it for us this week. i'll be that's the bottom line. after nearly two years of investigation, thousands of subpoenas, hundreds of warrants and witness interviews, the special counsel confirmed that the russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election. but did not find that the trump campaign or other americans colluded in those efforts. paul: welcome to "the journal editorial report." i'm paul gigot. that was attorney general william barr ahead of the release of the redacted special counsel's report on russian interference into


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