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ukraine as corrupt and they warned the vice president and senior leadership in december of 15. lou: john solomon be sure to join us tomorrow we talk to congressman scott perry, congressman jim jordan. that is it for us tonight from sussex. elizabeth: we have more breaking news. powerful house republican, steve scalise, sent a letter to house speaker nancy pelosi demanding eric swalwell remove from house intelligence because he is unacceptable national security risk endangering the nation's defenses for his entanglement with suspected chinese spy. we have congressman greg stuebe, kristin state, brandon judd on the big headlines of the day. more how the media is not covering the swalwell story.
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allegations they're covering it up. white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany tearing into big media, "washington post," "new york times," networks, including cnn, nbc for covering up the hunter biden story before the election in order to benefit joe biden as senator chuck grassley again goes after the bidens from the senate floor, calling them agents of communist governments. democrats and so-called experts are burning gelling, misleading you on vaccine readiness. how they were throwing cold water on it from the start. they are acting like they are the biggest cheerleaders all the time. democrats attacking success of "operation warp speed," questions mount what is joe biden plans beyond these attacks and warning after quote, dark winter. americans know about that so where is the hope and unity?
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more how new york democrats don't have the facts to back up their shutdowns of restaurants and bars as a massive protest today hit in new york city. restaurants really upset. the owners and workers marching throughout new york city including on governor cuomo's offers. we'll take you to the border tonight. polls show americans, immigrants they want humane legal immigration. officials are now warning human smugglers are trying to hide dozens of stash houses inside of suburban neighborhoods. these are stash houses with illegal border crossers. authorities warn gangs like ms-13 are making bug bucks off human smuggling. i'm elizabeth macdonald. "the evening edit" starts right now. ♪ elizabeth: okay, let's go right at it. we welcome back to the show former state department official christian whiton. christian, these are powerful
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house republicans steve scalise, liz cheney, telling nancy pelosi you have to get eric swalwell off house intelligence. what do you think? >> this is not senior most but pretty senior democrat on the intelligence committee. it is not the appropriations committee. this is not the agriculture committee this is intelligence and deals, has access to our nation's most sensitive operations including covert operations if there are any in china. the idea you would have someone successfully honey potted by a chinese agent in that role even as the whole congress doesn't know the details of what happened, it is time for him to step aside. elizabeth: you know top republicans on house oversight are also now ramping up, christian. they're now going after swalwell as well. they sent a letter to fbi director christopher wray something for a briefing from the fbi on what happened here. this chinese spy allegedly targeted eric swalwell when he was just a city councilman years
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ago in 2011, california. the thing is, his district in california oversees part of, his district has northern silicon valley, also livermore and the national laboratories this is the nation's defense secrets we're talking about christian. >> right. it is also a hotbed for chinese espionage for the reasons you just mentioned and that is something swalwell frankly he should have known. he was not in congress when fang fang first approached him and began to endear herself to him, he was a prosecutor in the east bay. he would have init action with federal pros who would have known extensive chinese youd front and espionage activities intended to ensnare our politicians. they managed to cozy up to people like die an feinstein and eric swalwell. those are the hard targets. when you think about how many students, how many chinese operators there are.
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these are two of the apex targets but they're active very broadly. elizabeth: we're staying on the news throughout the hour that nancy pelosi got a letter from top house republican scalise and liz cheney saying remove eric swalwell from house intelligence. texas senator marco rubio may hold senate intelligence hearing on this if republicans keep control of the senate. fang fang is not just a communist official here, you know, wasn't just working for the communist party. she ask reportedly an officer in chinese military intelligence. that is, you know, the thing is, "the new york times" is not reporting on this story. the media went full bore on the national rifle association their affiliation with russian spy. so everyone should be okay with swalwell being entangled with this alleged chinese spy for years? >> this is right out of from russia with love actually. it is amaze how this is happening, sadly may have been effective. that is question no one is asking. we're starting to ask what
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happened and why weren't other congressional leaders informed of this but eric swalwell, sort of unique among a lot of them in congress is very wimpy on china. he has been coming along saying that russia is the greater threat. he hypes the russia conspiracy theory, the hoax when he knew it wasn't true saying donald trump collaborated, colluded with russia. that he was a russian agent. that is what swalwell said of our president. he knew that was a lie and how hypocritical for someone who is successfully honey potted by a chinese age to do that. certainly i hope rubio is the chairman. it will depend how the georgia senate races go. i hope he holds hearings on this. this is not just alarming, it appears to be an effective method. >> wonder, swalwell has gone on msnbc and cnn the question is, is he leaker, the guy talking to "the new york times"? that is why "the new york times" is now covering it. here is how serious the issue
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is. swalwell may have been going into so-called scifs, secure compartmentalized facilities that are heavily securitize. he is not allowed to bring his phone in there. this fang fang reportedly put an intern inside of his democrat office on the hill. that intern, who knows, could have been recording things down eric swalwell was hearing right when china was going full bore, full steam ahead on its belt and road push, christian. there is still a lot of questions. how come eric swalwell and democrats are saying, swalwell, you have to answer them? >> that's right. they should do it. this is typical of the coverup where democrats, liberals, progressives and lying media will accuse the other side of exactly what they're doing, accusing donald trump and republicans colluding with russia when in fact they're the ones colluding in the bedroom with chinese agents. you know, this is, this is very deadly serious. this is, it's a dangerous world. you know, you have these honey
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pot operations performed against u.s. bureaucrats, intelligence operatives, state department officials and others. usually an attractive young woman knocks on the door, someone middle age, ought to know a little suspicious that a 10 is endearing themselves to let's say a five but somehow they suspend disbelief. frankly swalwell and the democrats should have known better. the fact they full victim to this shows they don't take the china threat seriously. it is scary from a security point of view. it is particularly scary from a policy point of view because this is our chief adversary in the world. elizabeth: yeah. she reportedly slept with two u.s. mayors, including one from ohio. the fbi were surveillance on reportedly the car that they were having sex in, saw them having sex in a car. this is, you know, house republicans keep saying this is just tip of the iceberg stuff. house oversight republicans are looking hard at thousands of
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chinese intelligence officers and operatives in the u.s. china has been using spies and covert agents to infill trail universities, local government institutions, state pension funds. universities not disclosing their ties to china. china has been doing disinformation campaigns about the origins of the covid-19 pandemic. then stealing, trying to steal u.s. vaccine research and technology this is just tip of the iceberg stuff, christian, right? >> it is. when you think about the tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of chinese nationals here, i'm not talking about chinese-americans who are american citizens, but chinese nationals here working at top universities, research institutions, defense industrial base throughout silicon valley that is something facilitated by h1b visas incidentally, just at schools. i talked to professors, people who are foreign policy types in washington who also teach courses, talking about their chinese national students. you know if taiwan east american
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students or taiwan students or hong kongers get together to talk about democracy human rights, they're often intimidated by chinese. those chinese students often acting at the behest of chinese consulates or the embassy here. the trump administration closed the chinese consulate in houston because it was a den of spies. we need to look much more broadly curtailing the presence of chinese in america. there is this theory, they will come here -- elizabeth: you can't do it, christian. sorry, christian, let me interrupt quickly because we got to go. we hear what you're saying. how can you do what you're saying when the media is not covering it. everyone should be okay, media not covering, "new york times" not reporting on it. is the media covering up because these are guys leaking to them their stories? i've been in journalism for 35 years. i know how sourcing goes in washington, d.c. i know how favoritism is played toward sources in d.c., guys giving you information, then you go soft on them. i've seen that happen time and
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again. is that what is happening here? >> two things, one, yes, orange man bad, going soft on democrats and they can't say anything bad about them of the apparently the other thing there is whole lot of money not such in news but media from china in hollywood. that curbs their ability to be critical. you don't see a lot of movies about tibet and the cultural revolution anymore. there is a reason for that. elizabeth: sorry i hate talking like myself. that was annoying i did that. hope you don't mind it. we're really fired up about this story because it is about the nation's secrets. it is about our nation's defenses. it is about security of american families across the country. christian whiton, thanks for coming on, tolerating what i just said. good to see you. coming up christopher bedford from the federalist on critics blasting media, democrats, so-called experts for bungling and misleading you on vaccine readiness. i will show you how badly they blew it. how they were throwing cold water on it from the start. they are acting like they were
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this is not going to happen? what is going on here? >> good to see you too. science has been weaponized against the right, against the center, against republicans against anyone who pushes back against more and more control. you saw this more and more broadly with things like the global warming conspiracy, people who were more apocalyptic on that front but covid is kind of a micro study what this battle of ever changing science agenda means for americans. one of the most illustrative parts of this entire media screwup, "new york times," "washington post," nbc news, were comfortable enough to say that donald trump and the american people were incapable of delivering a vaccine. they fact checked it. that is how far fact-checking from snopes or hoof bandit side of the roads. we're now fact checking political ideas and american dreams. that is completely insane.
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elizabeth: dr. fauci said earlier in the year will probably not have vaccine until january. says millions could be vaccinated by second quarter of next year. we're seeing, people want to go back to normal. they want people to be safe. we can't let our guard down. we know covid-19 deaths are topping 300,000. polls show half of americans don't want the vaccine or are not sure about it. did all the negative talk coming out from so-called experts and democrats, did they sandbag this, did they sandbag hope? >> i'm writing a piece how the chinese probably didn't weaponize covid-19 but americans, democrats, elites certainly did weaponize it. i've been to 23 states since covid started, 27 this year reporting, visiting. the difference how people act in these different states is absolutely wide. right now you can sit on santa claus' lap, see live nativity and go to restaurant in florida which has lower death
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count than new york city, where new york city right now the governor has shut down restaurants and restaurateurs are first to go out on the street in times square to put back against it this is wild mistreatment. americans ought to wake up to it. elizabeth: now we're going to dig into what you were take talking about later in the show. we may have half a dozen vaccines by the spring. moderna's vaccine could come into plain by this friday. watch cnn's jim acosta, chris cuomo downplay the trump vaccine push in may. watch this. >> they will begin to churn out millions of doses, eventually hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine that may not be completely proven to be effective against the coronavirus. >> so if we say, they can't really get this vaccine, the science is questionable. now we're the negative nancys. look at that acosta, always trying to kill our optimism. elizabeth: well, yeah. you were. we have the vaccines coming in.
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we may have 100 million vaccinated by the spring. here is the thing, many americans side of handling the pandemic key to why they voted forejoe biden. we don't know what joe biden's plans are for the vaccines. he has been attacking the vaccine push. we don't know what he is going to do. listen there, is a lot of legitimate criticism about it, the things that president trump tweets and what he has said and how he has behaved. i think americans get that but when it comes to saving lives and you know, what can be done i mean the question is, did the media basically downplay the vaccine push in order to help biden win and is now biden not, now dodging questions what exactly are you going to do that is different from trump? >> they did exactly that because the vaccine process, "operation warp speed," was transparent. you were able to see the way they were doing it. they did not test this vaccine less than they test other vaccines but they simply allowed
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was to have multiple tests going on at the exact same time as opposed to usual one after the other after another process. you were able to do multiple tests see where they go, disprove something, find it safe in multiple ways at the same time. at the same time donald trump was offering huge amounts of money from the u.s. people to pay for any amount of vaccine created to back up any company to incentivize them to get that. safe in the wide open there is straight up politics. in february you remember donald trump was una sailable president. he would not be defeated. he was defeated largely because of covid from the chinese used by americans against him. elizabeth: the way he was allegedly, reportedly downplaying it. we covered the pressers. a lot of topspin coming out, americans didn't like that. but we have a dozen vaccines in play. let me back up. many american voters didn't like the constant topspin on it. but now we have a dozen vaccines
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in the works, maybe half a dozen available by next spring. quite the effort. christopher bedford, like to see you coming back on soon. you're great. thanks for your insights. >> thank you. elizabeth: coming up former u.s. attorney brett tolman on new questions mountings over exactly where the hunter biden probe is headed in a joe biden presidency as the president-elect dodges reporters about two separate investigations. we have press secretary kayleigh mcenany going after "the new york times" and "the washington post" for covering up the biden stories before the election. other media did too. we got the story next. >> these associations and the millions of dollars that passed between and among hunter biden, james biden and others create criminal financial and counterintelligence and extortion concerns. that's why i have written to the justice department about the
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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show former u.s. attorney brett tolman as we move into the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. hey, brett, so we have senator chuck grassley taking to the floor of the senate on monday saying that the bidens were serving as agents of communist governments and kayleigh mcenany tore into the press about covering up the biden story before the election. where do you come down on this? >> i watched both and support chairman grassley's attempts to try to get to the bottom of this. certainly kayleigh mcenany, her outline -- hypocrisy over what happened on, you know, pre-election, even now today is shocking considering what we now know. elizabeth: okay. let's watch joe biden refusing to answer questions from reporters about the two investigations, federal investigation into his son hunter biden's business dealings overseas. watch this.
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>> mr. president-elect, will you -- [inaudible] >> thanks for the congratulations. appreciate it. elizabeth: now watch joe biden at the second debate. watch joe biden at the second debate. watch this. >> not one single solitary thing was out of line. my son has not made money in terms of this thing about what are you talking about, china. elizabeth: turns out the senate report shows he made at least five million dollars coming in from china to hunter biden's bank accounts. how long can this go on with the president-elect denying this story? >> well you know it's almost beyond belief we have to apologetically approach biden, joe biden on this topic. i mean it seems to me that it took very little effort prior to
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the election to find out that there was actually an investigation that was stemming from suspicious activity reports. that's a big deal, liz. that means this is more than just a possible tax evasion claim. that means this is widespread. could be illegal movement of money. could involved others including jim, perhaps joe. we don't know, the full scope of it, conspiracy for illegal movement of money is certainly what the fbi and the department of justices investigating. people have been talking about the past, what will happen in the transition. reality is, this is being led by lying prosecutors in the trenches and lying investigators that don't really care about who is in office and who isn't. they have a case to investigate. i can promise you they will continue to investigate regardless who is in charge. elizabeth: if the biden say appoints new york governor andrew cuomo as attorney general the probe still continues?
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>> it does. the u.s. attorney out of delaware is independently nominated by a president and confirmed by the senate. and he, he is not told who or how to handle that office and who to investigator not investigate. when i was u.s. attorney i hadn't authority over all of my investigations and that is what is happening there. now the attorney general could remove the u.s. attorney but that talks quite a bit of time. up to have another confirmation and a in that timeline you will see that the cases continue. that is the, that's the beauty of the department of justices, they're political at the top, but not in trenches. elizabeth: we have a federal probe in manhattan into hunter biden. a federal probe in delaware into hunter biden. a federal probe in pennsylvania into james biden. all of those probes going on. the fbi, irs, grand jury impaneled in the delaware probe and media not covering it, not talking about this, not covering
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it. watch white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany point out what she calls an interesting u-turn pre-election versus postelection what the media was reporting on the hunter biden corruption scandal. >> in fact on october 15th you had a "new york times" headline that said, trump said to be warned he was being given russian disinformation over hunter biden. now december 10th, just a few months later "new york times" headline, investigation of hunter biden is likely to hang over biden as he takes office. "washington post" on october 16th, the headline read, the truth behind the hunter biden non-scandal. now you have "the washington post" headline says this, hunter biden tax probe examining chinese business deals. elizabeth: your reaction to that, brett? >> if we hadn't lived through it we almost couldn't believe that it is happening. the realty this was not discuss a story a big story prior to the
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election and there was indicia it was a large investigation involving the movement of millions of dollars that may have even touched on some national security concerns and interests and then you have a candidate that is running for office that refuses to answer questions, who is implicated by one whistle-blower that comes forth whose evidence is verified? i mean this is, i guess the time that we live in. it is offensive to me who spent most of my career in the criminal justice system. it should be offensive to those who have watched it happen. elizabeth: and, brett, hunter biden's business partner at cefc, that energy conglomerate in china, he was a former deputy secretary-general of a unit at the, in the chinese military services that was responsible for espionage, for intelligence, and for propaganda but you had chuck schumer and senator ron wyden saying the fbi dial it back about any investigation into hunter biden. you had 50 former intelligence
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officials saying this is russian disinformation. did they interfere? >> yeah, that is a great point, liz. you're one of the few to make all those connections but 50 intelligence, members of the intelligence community coming forth and indicating this is russian disinformation. if they knew that wasn't the case, that is absolutely obstruction of justice. elizabeth: all right. brett tolman, thanks for joining us. good to see you. >> good to see you. thanks, liz. elizabeth: we're rolling on through a lot of headlines for you. up next congressman greg stuebe from house judiciary on this debate now firing up in washington. so goes georgia, so goes your wallet. why republicans now ramp up warnings about the devastating economic damage to you if the upcoming georgia senate runoff results in democrats taking control of the senate. the story next. >> think about everything that democrats want to take away from you. they want to take away your money via taxes. they want to take away your private health insurance. they want to take away your
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♪. elizabeth: let's welcome back to the show republican greg stuebe, house judiciary. congressman, it is good to see you. georgia senate runoff, it is good to see you, georgia senate runoff it is going to determine if republicans keel control of the senate. republican senators kelly loeffler, david perdue with a new opinion piece if democrats within control of the senate the american dream could come to an abrupt end. is that true or is it over the top? >> you don't think it is over the top. chuck schumer himself if we take georgia we change america. he wasn't kidding. look at candidates running against the republican candidates in georgia are talking about, far left progressive policies. "medicare for all," green new
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deal, raising your taxes, doing away with bail, all sorts of things six months ago, to a year ago you would have thought weren't even in the spectrum of political talk this is actually what they're saying in, they're not running to the center in the general election. they're talking far and farther are left policies f they get elected and the vice president is then the tie breaker, the direction america could go is tumultuous than the direction we have been last four years. raising taxes, green new deal, all things americans should be against. elizabeth: one of the candidates for defund the police the candidate warnock. alexandria ocasio-cortez says if democrats win control of the senate, we don't have to negotiate anything. so you know, the republican senators say, these two democrat candidates are the lynchpins to quote, the socialist transformation of american
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society. and you're saying this is serious stuff, based on their policies, right? >> yay. they have the house. we know that nancy pelosi is likely to be speaker when we convene on january 3rd, vote for speakership because the democrat has the majority. aoc, is right in the fact that if they do win these two seats and they have control of the senate, it is democratic control in the senate and house and presidency. the only thing that speaker pelosi will have to negotiate with is the progressive left-wing of the house which they gained more seats. i think they're up to seven or 10, have a stronger caucus now in the last elections. you will see the entire government lurch strongly to the left, direction that the vast majority of americans do not support, and do not support these policies. so i encourage anybody in georgia watching this, get out to vote and support the republican candidates, so we don't see a huge swing left and huge increase in taxes, things like the green new deal in america. elizabeth: well one of the
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democrats candidates in georgia, he is mr. warnock, he is on the record saying quote that the senate are gangsters and thugs for the tax cuts that did let middle-class americans keep more of their money. he is also on the record that saying u.s., this is rafael warnock you're looking at on the screen. he also said that the u.s. human rights record is worse than china or iran when china is running, has millions of people in concentration type prison camps and iran is deemed the worst in the world by human rights groups for this public executions of men, women, teenagers and children. >> to compare the united states to places like iran in human rights violations is atrocious. from somebody who served in our military and served time in iraq to compare our record of human rights accomplishments to the abuses in iran of public executions and beheadings and types of things they do there is
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absolutely unbecoming of an american to even compare the two things and it shows how dangerous this election is, it shows how dangerous it will be if democrats have control of all three branches of our government. elizabeth: congressman steube, good to see you. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. elizabeth: coming up young americans for liberty analyst, kristin tate a great writer and author, she will talk to us about how new york state's own governors office, that being governor andrew cuomo's office, shows the data from that office shows how wrong it is to shut down restaurants and bars in new york city as new york democrats blunder their way into economic chaos again. you're looking at a massive protest by restaurant owners and workers in new york today. they marched on cuomo's manhattan office. that story next. >> so this is just a really reiteration, going down again of insanity, that doesn't work so you're going to destroy the city even more. the city will eventually come
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permanently 4500 restaurants at least. what is most infuriating about cuomo's recent indoor dining ban is that it is at odds with the state's own data. bars and restaurants only account for about 1.43% of covid-19 cases. that is according to the state's own contract tracing data. for all the leaking on -- shrieg on the left about science and data, these same leftists put lock down orders often do so without any regard for the science or data. this started with 15 days to slow the spread. it turned into wait to see until we flatten the curve. now we need to wait for a vaccine. today, vaccines are being put into the arms of new york city residents and cuomo is threatening more draconian lockdowns that will kill small business owners. politicians are drunk with power and laughably out of touch. elizabeth: cuomo is at a vaccine
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event and talking shutdowns. they get a paycheck. they're talking shutdowns. officials like this demand federal bailouts. how are they going to pay for the restaurant workers and owners, tear salaries, utility bills, health care bills, mortgages, their rent, how will they do that? we would like to do next, the restaurant owners say we're doing everything you told us to do. we're doing temperature checks. we're sanitizing. we're doing social distancing. watch this small business owner new york city saying i just had it. he got ticketed by an inspector. watch this exchange. watch. >> i followed the rules. i continue to follow the rules and you guys still time after time are giving citations. then i have to close my business. what about my employees. >> you're not following the rules? >> i am following the rules. the tables are inside. just because the health department has a whole process to go through, i have to close
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my business for that time? who is, are you going to pay my rent? are you going to pay my rent? elizabeth: he is so you could feel the righteous anger about this. his income taxes pay their salaries. what is happening in new york city, new york city is not publishing detailed data on covid-19 infections as to say washington, d.c. or other cities do. so but then they're coming in and shutting them down. it is just so wrong they're destroying one of the great, this is not the greatest city in the world. that is what is happening. your final word, kristin. >> it is absolutely infuriating, liz, politicians, unelected bureaucrats putting in place the orders do not understand the pain that new york city business owners and working class residents are going through because they haven't missed one taxpayer-funded check. their staffs are all being paid. meanwhile the private sector is hurting. and new york city's business
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owners, they don't want more help from the government. they just want the ability to run their businesses. they want the freedom to do that in a safe way. and yet they are continually shut down even though the science and data does not back it up. it is really sad. this will all just continue the devastation that we're seeing in new york as people and corporations continue to flee what was once a really fantastic and vibrant city. elizabeth: kristin tate. thanks for joining us. great to have you on. >> thank you, liz. elizabeth: coming up, national border patrol council president brandon judd on this development, officials are warning that human smugglers are trying to hide dozens of stash houses, maybe even more than that, with illegal border crossers and illegal aliens hiding stash houses in suburban neighborhoods across the country as authorities now warn gangs like ms-13 are making big bucks off of human smuggling. the story next. >> when half of the border patrol is no longer on that
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♪. elizabeth: okay. let's welcome back to the show national border patrol council president brandon judd. it is great to see you again, brandon. polls show americans and immigrants want humane legal immigration. authorities in laredo, texas warning about dozens of human stash houses being hidden by human smugglers inside neighborhoods in suburbia. what is going on here? >> because the trump policies have been so effective in controlling the border we've been more effective on the border than we ever been before my entire career, cartels are now forced to work in extraordinary measures. they're forced to go out and rent homes. they are forced to go out to find homes. the problem with these homes, they are extremely unsanitary. they're extremely dangerous. they're extremely cramped and these cartels who do not care at all for human life, they're packing these individuals in
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there, waiting until they have transport to move them further into the united states. most people think that illegal border crossings, they stay in texas and california and arizona and that is not true. they work their way up to atlanta, to chicago, to new york. they work throughout the entire united states. so they have to get the transport to them to get them to those destinations. elizabeth: didn't the justice department recently warn that gangs like ms-13 are making big bucks off of human smuggling? >> yeah. this is actually a multibillion-dollar industry per year. the cartels, organized crime, that is what cartels are, they are organized crime, they act as a business. they look for how can they generate a profit, how can they generate revenue. one of the best ways to do it is tie border patrol hands up crossing lower value products, making sure that our agents go to take those individuals into custody and they create artificial gaps in our coverage on the border. they cross their higher value
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products right behind us. that is why we have to be concerned about what might be coming if we're going to see larger numbers of people coming up to the border, more caravans. policies make a huge difference and the trump administration did a great job on the border. and continue to do a great job. elizabeth: border security, border security officials say nearly 400 stash houses with illegal border crossers inside of them across the country n laredo there are about 100 of them. they're ferried out of laredo throughout the country. laredo sector is a big sector. it covers 175 miles of border area from mexico-texas border up through the boundaries of oklahoma and arkansas. we're talking hundreds of stash houses now. >> and what is scarery about that, that is what we know of.
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just because we know that there is 100 stash houses in laredo, doesn't mean that is all there is. there will be a lot more. we take down the stash houses as they come up and they will spring back up this is not necessarily a bad thing. we want crime to have to go to extraordinary measures. that makes it more difficult to sell their products to people that, to would-be illegal border crossers in other countries like guatemala, el salvador, honduras, even china. so we want to make it as difficult as we possibly can and that's what has been done here. now we have to have the intel to continue to shut down these stash houses. elizabeth: now we have got acting customs and border protection commissioner mark morgan, a guest on our show, he is talking about the spike in illegal border crossings. he said, quote, cartels and human smugglers are fueling perceptions that our borders will once again be wide open and then we will be reinstating the loopholes that have been closed. is this what we can expect now
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coming? >> yes. so what the cartels understand is they know what the obama administration brought. they know how they were able to operate under the obama administration. they're hoping that they're going to be able to do that again. what i would say is we have to hope, we have to cross our fingers that a biden administration is going to look at those failures and are going to shut down those loopholes because if they do not, we are in fact going to have a huge flood of more people crossing our borders illegally. elizabeth: well arrests have been rising for six straight months. brandon judd, good to see you, arrests at border, rather. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. elizabeth: catch our own grady trimble. he will be live from the border wall from arizona all day long tomorrow on fox business. thanks for joining us tonight, i'm elizabeth macdonald. you've been watching "the evening edit." we hope you have a good evening. join us again tomorrow night.
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