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>> gregg: fox news alert. we are getting new reports that libyan leader muammar gadhafi has fled to algeria. we have not confirmed that. we've also learned that rebel forces have reportedly captured one of gadhafi's sons. we are also learning the rebels have reportedly entered the capital city of tripoli. they are now allegedly within
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two miles of the city's center meeting little resistance along the way. they may already be there. dominic di-natale streaming live from the tunisia/libyan border. top of the hour now. bring our viewers up-to-date. >> reporter: we are uncertain of the exact location of colonel gadhafi. the bbc world service is reporting that he's in algeria. that corroborates with news we were hearing today that he arrived friday is what we heard. apparently, rebels got news of a convoy of 15 land critesers that crossed the southern tunisian border with libya. they believe that was him leaving the country back in the early hours of friday morning. heading to algeria. that's what they had heard. that's what many of them believe to be fact. they believe that he left the country sometime ago. whether that is true has yet to be confirmed independently.
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given the fact that his son saif al-islam has been caught outside a hotel in the city. he was the head of the army, he was the commander, the mastermind behind the defensive tactics of the libyan army. if he has been captured the rest of the army is going to surrender soon after. he was such a driver of the resistant. rebels. if he's gone it is very hard to see how on earth commanders would be able to operate without him. given the fact that the libyan army has been beaten back so far to the northwest corner of the country. rebels pretty much in the past 48 hours have taken the few remaining cities, where government forces had managed to cling on to. there wasn't very much to let hold of. about an hour ago we were told the rebels were two miles from the fence of the city. given the pace they've gone through, three hoursing ago, we were hearing 15 miles. given the pace, it is hard not
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to imagine they've now completely taken the entire capital by storm. it is hard to get confirmation because of a fluid situation, everything is in flux. the news coming out in dribs and s. neighbor -- dribs and s. neighborhood by neighborhood falling is what we her. sleeper cells waiting for rebels to come in, in getter numbers to make sure they were bolstered as they turned on the government forces around them. it appears, yes it may be over indeed. there is no confirmation from yet the rebels. we certainly haven't heard from colonel gadhafi. he's appeared twice on tv in the past 24 ours from a crackley phone line calling on people, the few supporters he has to defend -- to descend on the capital and help defend it. calling the rebels rats, vermin. he asked supporters he would stand with them until end of
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days. now it appears his days possibly are over. confirmation of that could be moments away. right now we don't know. it is a situation of total confusion way is almost certain, is the rebels do now have tripoli. we are expecting some form of words from the national transitional council, hopefully they will confirm that. at the moment they are still running battles in the street. we don't know how many members of the libyan army still stand. we know the national transitional council had 12 to 15,000 waiting outside the city at the start of today. that will have a decisive impact on the city. >> gregg: dominic did natale -- dominic did that ly producer are telling us through our brain room we did incredible research, algeria did in fact, sign, as a signatory to the international
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criminal court which has indicted muammar gadhafi for crimes against humanity, seeking the death penalty. algeria may have signed it, they didn't ratify it. technically, they do not have to follow the rules of the icc in handing over muammar gadhafi. keep in mind, the bbc reporting gadhafi has fled to algeria. we have not been able to confirm that. >> heather: that made that news in june, correct? >> gregg: i think it was june 24th. tunisia 24th, algeria about a decade ago. but they never ratified it. >> maybe that's the loophole. >> we had a similar situation in the united states in which president clinton signed on and then president bush signed us on, out of concern about what would happen to american forces posted all over the world. >> gregg: so we are not a member of the international criminal court. >> right.
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>> heather: right now fox news military analyst major general bob scales. are you there? >> i'm here heather. >> heather: thank you for joining us. first to the news that gadhafi's son saif has been arrested. speak to us about the significance of that. >> it shows at the end of the day, i guess ground troops trumps all rumors. once they crack the egg of the outer shell the center collapses. that's what we are seeing here. it is not unusual. it has happened before in history. in order for colonel gadhafi to survive and to escape he's chosen to retreat to algeria. but this is all about a military operation that has gone right. that nato has shown patience. that the united states has supported nato. and that over a period of about five months, that the allied coalition has been able to maintain pressure on gadhafi. close off his eastern, western
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and now i guess his southern escape routes and he has no choice but to flee. >> heather: we have reports that -- not confirmed by fox coming about from the bbc world service. that gadhafi is in algeria. >> that's right. again it goes back to ground troops. all the propaganda and all the colonel gadhafi rhetoric has fallen aside. the fact that his capital has been besieged, penetrated, the egg has been cracked and he has no choice but to three. >> heather: what do you think will happen -- happen next in terms of rebels taking control? >> that is critical. the bottom line is i don't know. as we've seen in iraq, and other places, the key now is to translate military success into long term sustaining governance. so far we have no idea how
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well this will go. this is not like iraq, not like afghanistan this is completely different. and unique set of circumstances. all of us in the west hope that the rebels will be able to translate this victory into long term political success. >> heather: you mentioned completely different, what the keys that make this so different? >> this is indigenous this is not the american military transposing itself on the iraqi civilian population this is the libyans, winning a victory for the libyans what is so important is that the -- hopefully the rebels will be able to build a transitional government that is not dependent on nato, not dependent on the united states. but dependent on internal dynamics which hopefully, will lead to stability in the country. >> heather: thank you very much major general bob scales.
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>> gregg: libyan government spokesperson, there still is a government there, remember. his name is moussa ibrahim spoke out here's what he had to say. >> nato is attacking the heart of a peaceful civilian city. it is attacking an army that has taken defensive positions. attacking volunteers who came out of their houses, left their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers, to defend their cities. nato gives direct air cover to these armed gangs. >> gregg: nato would say that is absolutely not true our reporters on the ground who have been there for the better part of six months would say that is not true. no surprise. president obama has been closely watching these fast moving events coming out of libya as rebels make major advances.
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>> heather: ed henry is live from martha's vineyard to speak to that and tell us what the latest is. has the president issued any additional statements at this point? >> reporter: we've gotten no statements from the president directly. but he is still, we're told by aides, get -- getting reports up date today to him. here the last thing they want to do is get ahead of the facts on the ground. they do not have independent confirmation as we've been stressing very carefully and appropriately, about either a capture of gadhafi's son, fleeing of gadhafi himself. in fact, team effort obviously on our jennifer griffin reporting she spoke to a senior u.s. defense official that is corroborating the same information we are getting from the white house. this official telling jennifer griffin we cannot confirm these reports at this stage about gadhafi's son potentially being captured. it is clear momentum is on the
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side of the rebels. we got a statement a short time ago from the u.s. state department. they say the president, and secretary of state clinton are getting regular updates on the situation. they also added that basically they believe it is important for the rebels to be thinking about what happens in a post gadhafi world. to be prepared for that possibility. the state department's statement saying that they believe that gadhafi's days are numbered. again, they don't want to get ahead of the facts. they want to let this play out. number two, they are trying to send that signal to the rebels there's a concern obviously within the u.s. government about all this devolving into chaos and the situation being worse than it is now. obviously, greeted as a wonderful development by u.s. officials if gadhafi and his government were to fall. however, they want to be careful about what comes next. >> heather: a lot of questions still as this continues to
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play out and change by the moment. obviously, they don't want to issue any statements in regards to where gadhafi is or anything like that. >> reporter: right. also, there's inevitably going to be speculation about whether or not the president will cut short his trip. as we were speaking in the last hour, obviously the modern presidency follows the president everywhere. he has sensitive, secure communications equipment to stay on top of it, while here in martha's vineyard or around the world. i will point out, think about where the nato mission in libya where it began. it was while we were covering president obama in latin america, back in march. at that time, he was ing secure briefings there. though he was not the -- not the white house he was staying on top of situation. one of our producers was pointing out, the president in that case did cut his latin american trip short, just a little bit. maybe about half a day.
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he cut short some of his sightseeing. he wanted to get back to washington. though he has this equipment, he can get briefings, there are certain situations where you want to get home. we'll see what he does. obviously, they are waiting and watching, as closely as we are. >> heather: thank you ed henry. seems like it was the other day when that happened. >> gregg: fast moving events to say the least. let's bring in judith miller who has interviewed muammar gadhafi. been to tripoli and libya. kt mcfarland joins us, fox news national security analyst. i was talking with rick grenell, former united nations spokesperson, who said this is really a victory in many ways for the strategic advocacy of nicholas sarkozy who pushed for an aggressive bombing cap pain, principally by nato. he said less so of
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president obama leading from behind, i'm paraphrasing. the president would probably say, wait a minute he pointed out early on we had to take our time to gather together a coalition of the willing, if you will. and this had to be a fight that had to be waged by the indigenous population of libya, the people against muammar gadhafi that is precisely, is it not what happened as the president said? >> i think it is exactly as the president said. and it is a situation, unlike iraq, where it wind the united states going in and removing -- it wasn't the united states going in and removing a dictator. if and when gadhafi falls, it likes like that going to be implement. this will be a -- very the french president was in the lead. but nato is the united states. >> kt there had been so many critics of president obama from a lot of people. doesn't this in many ways
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sraeupbd kate president obama's approach because -- vindicate president obama's approach because it did unfold as he said it would? >> i think you don't have a military engagement without a specific objective. >> gregg: he said the objective would be the end of the regime. it appears that is unfolding before our eyes. >> i think he deserves full credit if this works out well. i'm not ready to take that bet yet. one, what happens to gadhafi? is he arrested, killed, does he go unground and fight insurgency. second, was in libya? >> gregg: i have to interrupt, i apologize. want to bring in our producer on the scene in libya. gadhafi is speaking to the libyan people? >> that's right as we speak. he's saying how could you let this happen? how could you let a peaceful
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place like tripoli burn? he's calling on the tribes in the other major cities of libya to march on tripoli to fee it from slavery. he's -- to free it from slavery. he's urging them to immediately march to tripoli and liberate it from this tidal wave of rebel . obviously he's speaking from somewhere safe. he could be in algeria, we don't know. he's at it again. he's on state television, telling people go to tripoli and fight. >> gregg: what are the chances that the tribes will follow his request or demands to come to his rescue? >> i think it is way past that. i think tonight we are seeing the tipping point this confrontation. i'm watching who were a couple weeks ago in green square shooting and celebrating gadhafi. now they've got their against and joined the rebels and have
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taken control of this city. there are men outside, fighting goes on. snipers around our perimeter, shooting in and the guards are shooting out. still obviously, not all of tripoli has been liberated but it looks like in the coming hours, it will be. >> gregg: tadek, yesterday when you and i were talking on the air you were explaining many close to gadhafi said he would never give up without a fight. he would die in the end, if he had to. he would not flee. are they saying the same thing now, especially given the reports that he's fled to algeria? >> it would seem like the heart of hypocrisy. if he has in fact gone. if he was part of this convoy that headed across the border to algeria, that he's still urging peep to go out and die. -- urging people to go out and die. the government spokesperson addressed us tonight saying 1300 people died in the last
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11 hours. 5,000 injured and the hospitals couldn't cope. here is this man perhaps in the safety of algeria, still telling the tribes loyal to him to take on the rebels who are streaming in from all sides now. it looks like they will have this capital in the next hours, if not days. it seems amazing that he could still think this is possible. >> gregg: there's never a shortage of cowardice and hypocrisy among tie rands -- among tyrants and dictators. tadek, thank you very much. we'll check back with you as we gain more information. rebels appear to have moved into the city center, captured muammar gadhafi's son saif. a little unclear about the other son. there are conflicting reports. this may be the end for colonel gadhafi. back in a moment. you happen to have any brilliant silver altimas?
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>> gregg: new video, breaking news out of libya. euphoric libyan rebels have raced into the capital of tripoli today. they have moved clouds to the -- moved close to the city center. little resistance as gadhafi's defenders have melted away. opposition leaders say gadhafi's son one time heir apparant saif islam has been captured arrested. reporting the rebels and
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fighters have moved easily from the western outskirts into the stronghold of the regime in a dramatic turn of events in this six-month-old libyan civil war. there is a report that muammar gadhafi himself, has fled tripoli and has already sought refuge in algeria. that according to the bbc. we have not been able to confirm it. >> heather: also a report that the libyan rebel leader is saying the top military unit charge of protecting gadhafi has surrendered. not a good day for muammar gadhafi. but an end possibly to his over 40 year rule. this is definitely a significant day. >> gregg: huge moment in that region of the world. gadhafi a producer reported has taken to the airwaves. he's saying to the tribes in the region how can you let this happen? come to my aid and rescue and oust the rebels.
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our producer on the ground says that will not likely happen. >> heather: joining us on the phone christian whiten, former state department official. senior adviser under the george bush administration. christian, are you there? >> yep, great to be here. >> heather: obviously, a lot of significant developments going on in tripoli, specifically right now. share with us your thoughts? >> i think it is another historic event, turning point in the mideast. one of the first instances in modern times of the people liberating itself with a force of arms in that region. quite a dramatic turn of events. an old alliance, nato, really proved to have some serious problems that we saw over the course of this war. and yet, new coalitions came together, particularly u.s. force although i was -- took somewhat of a back part of the stage, also linked with the united arab emirates in qatar
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the two gulf countries that provided most of what you are seeing on tv. it wasn't actually airpower that took tripoli or in the process it is ground forces armed with weapons that have come from primarily those states. historical turning point i would say in this part of the world. >> heather: we are beginning to get statements coming in. one from the nato secretary general on thee situation in libya. saying that the gadhafi regime is clearly crumbling. the sooner gadhafi realizes he cannot win the battle against his own people, the better. the libyan people can be spared further bloodshed and suffering. as we've been saying it is anyone's guess as to where gadhafi is. we've had reports he is in algeria. that coming from the bbc. >> right it is very significant that saif al-islam gadhafi has been captured. he's the most significant. back when gadhafi was
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supposedly coming in from the cold and becoming a reformer, saif made the rounds in washington. protested -- professed to be a fan of democracy but turned out to be a true thug and supporter of his father. the fact that he's been captured that the heir apparant is under control of the rebels. plus the report you just mentioned that his bodyguards have thrown in the towel. as to the report he's in algeria. there have been reports that he was ready to negotiate, leave the country. you can't to take it with a grain of salt until he actually turns up there certainly, a positive turn of events. this for the libyan people this is a regime that has been in -- control for over four decades. the question now becomes what happens next? >> it will be interesting. i think contrast this to baghdad where frankly, we saw a lot of the arab world at its
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worst in the wake of that. of course, there's a much better situation here, because unlike iraq, libya is not sandwiched between iran and syria. i think we'll find this transitional national council that so many in the west have complained, we don't know who they are. they are not all boy scouts. i think we will see they have developed plans to stabilize the country. to begin to stand up a government. still plenty of things can go wrong. as we saw in benghazi and hopefully as we'll see in tripoli there's not going to be the chaos we saw in baghdad, after the war there. >> gregg: christian whiton, thank you. just getting word statement from the secretary general of nato. it is lengthy, the principle part is this: the gadhafi regime is clearly crumbling. the sooner gadhafi realizes that he cannot win the battle against his own people the better so the libyan people
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can be spared further bloodshed and suffering. that would suggest even nato the secretary general doesn't quite know if gadhafi has control or not, where he is, has he fled to algeria? apparently the secretary general of nato doesn't know that the bombing campaign has continued, until according to our people on the ground, the last several hours when it was held in an byians as the -- in abeyance as the rebels moved in the city center. i want to ask our panel about this. it says the future of libya long belongs to the libyan people. it is up to the international community to assist them. that's your concern kt mcfarland what do we do next? we don't want to step into the void conspicuously. we want to help in meaningful ways. how do we do that? >> judith's point is a good one this is their revolution. we have to walk through it
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carefully. so we are not ordering them around. we don't want to take ownership of this. on the other hand, you don't want to see what happened in iran for example, after the shah was toppled. we stood back, the carter administration said it is their revolution, let them do it. >> gregg: i'm wondering, iran that was 30 years ago. i'm wondering if there's a closer comparison to egypt. we demanded mubarak step down. there was this euphoria about potential for democracy there. now people have serious doubts that what may emerge there may not be a pure democracy. >> it will be an egyptian democracy. almost by definition that is not going to be something with which americans will be totally comfortable. there are many aspects of their foreign policy which is changing. they will not be as dependent and dependable as they were for us. here too, this is part of development. these people have had nothing,
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they were called a state of the masses. which they had absolutely no institutions. except those needed to govern the country. now the tnc or ntc has a plan for governing. finance committee, foreign committee. they will be able to transition to something -- >> that's their name the national transitional council. by the way, the money, frozen assets of libyan companies and the country may now go to those rebels. want to bring in to the conversation our national security correspondent jennifer griffin with what can you tell us? what are you learning from your sources? >> reporter: what we are hearing now secretary general of nato has just issued a statement saying the gadhafi regime is clearly crumbling. and the sooner gadhafi
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realizes he cannot win the better. this is from the secretary general of nato. we are seeing a lot of reports from the frontlines. alex crawford traveling with sky news is reporting they got as close -- he is travelinging with the rebels, they got as close to green square and got pushed back because there was gunfire at the square. she reports seeing women holding babies, cheering people, shouting freedom, as they entered the city just a few minutes ago we were seeing reports that the rebels were about a mile from the city center, from that green square where we've seen gadhafi over the last few months trying to rally support. now we understand from sky news' alex crawford they are on the edge of green square. there are reports from those traveling with the rebels, being reported on al-jazeera and al aabyia, i'm seeing a twitter feed from reporters suggesting that the rebels have ended the home of muhammad gadhafi, as well as
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isha the daughter of muammar gadhafi. clearly the noose is tightening. clearly nato is concerned. they are issuing statements this evening. i'm seeing a report now that says nato -- that says it is ready to work with the transitional national council and libya must stay united. there's real concern both within the u.s. government as well as within nato that libya could splinter. they are trying to keep this transitional national council on track and united. assistant secretary of state has been in benghazi meeting with the transitional national council. trying to help them stay together as gadhafi's regime crumbles. >> gregg: i want to read jennifer griffin, the associated press reporting, we mentioned this before, we are getting further details. senior rebel officials saying the military unit that was in charge of protecting and
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guarding gadhafi and the capital of tripoli, has surrendered. when the unit dropped its arms, it opened the way for the rebels to end the city with little or no resistance. the question this hour is, where is colonel gadhafi? the bbc says he fled to algeria. as we pointed out, the colonel is wanted for crimes against humanny by the international criminal court. algeria may have been selected by him for the following reason: they were a signatory to the icc but never ratified it, so they don't have to hand him over to the haig, facing the death penalty. >> heather: he was on the phone a short time ago speaking to the libyan people asking them to pick up arms and continue to fight for him and asking how could you allow this to happen? how could you allow this to happen to him? apparently after four decades
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of his regime, crumbling and coming to an end, as we speak, right now. a historic day. joining us on the phone walid phares middle east analyst. we are getting statements coming from nato. their take on what is happening. calling for gadhafi to realize that the end is here. and to peacefully step aside. what do you think the chances are that will happen? >> well, from the way tripoli collapsed, as i'm learning right now, it was a commander of the military force of gadhafi who gave orders to his unit to open some of the gates. it looks like that's the beginning of the collapse. there is little chance, if no chance at all, for the fighting force of gadhafi to continue as their regular army the two quick projections: number one, gadhafi doesn't have the ability any more to return and take over what was taken. what can he do or commanders
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can do is transform the remnants into the future guerrilla. we may see this in the next days or next weeks. the other question is very important, when the rebels will take over tripoli, will the new army be able to disarm their own militia? i'm watching how their militias have been formed, i'm listening carefully to the statement of the head of the interim government. he's very clear about it. he says we are going to unite. once they are in tripoli in the next few days or couple weeks, will those militias accept to be disarmed? >> heather: we are looking at pictures coming in from tripoli employed by sky news. you see people reveling in the streets, cheering, showing their flags. definitely a different scene than what we have seen over the past four decades there in libya. just some of the numbers briefly, the death toll estimated by the u.s. state department up to 30,000 dead,
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at the hands of muammar gadhafi. that was the latest numbers, as of the end of april. over one million people have fled this country. the scene there, really complete euphoria in the streets of tripoli. >> absolutely. look at the age of those demonstrators. many of those were not born, their fathers or mothers were not born when gadhafi came to power. you are talking about the future generation of libya. in that sense, one can confirm and certify that there is no return, political return or other return to gadhafi to the political scene of libya. the question always comes back to us, what will the next government be able to do? can they really confirm there will be democracy and pluralism? that will be the debate of the next months to come. >> heather: that is the question. what happens next? thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it, stick around. >> gregg: put down arms only
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temporarily and essentially reassess the situation and turn themselves, transform thefts service into the new rebels to fight the new tnc or ntc. dominic di-natale streaming live from the border and has been following these events day and night, what is the latest information you are getting? >> reporter: the national transitional council which is what they are calling themselves, is saying it will order an immediate cease-fire if gadhafi departs. by depart, they don't mean resign, they mean leave the country, go into exile if he has didn't that according to one report from the bbc world service that he is already in algeria. on top of that they are giving out casualty tolls. moussa i be haim saying -- moussa ibrahim saying 1300 have died in clashes on both
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sides the libyan army and rebels and anyone caught in the crossfire. add that to some 5,000 casualties who appeared in hospitals in tripoli and hospitals unable to cope, it has been a bloody day. and there's been heavy losses on either side. it does seem that the rebels have the upper hand now. scenes were you seeing on sky news, large parts of the city, whereby, they believe they've won. there's a sense of victory very much in the air. what we need to know is who is defending colonel gadhafi, if he is in the capital of tripoli? wove been hearing that he's appeared yet again on state media. another raging telephone call from him, calling on people to save the capital. where is he making those calls from? it is by no means clear. if it is from algeria, maybe
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the dying head of a madman trying to cling on to power many miles away. if he's in some hole inside the capital he still feels he's clinging on to the last. he would have a small pool, i think of protectors and defenders around him, small armed forces. we don't know what the size. we know his personal security brigade has already put down its arms. so he doesn't have any major scale of force, given that context. how far away are we from hearing from himself that he is leaving or he's gone? are we looking at hours, minutes the rebels seem to think it was always going to be a matter of hours as soon as they started to launch this offensive. >> gregg: dominic, thank you very much. back now with our panel. kt mcfarland and judith miller who has interviewed gadhafi. he has been a thorn in the side and one of the most hated enemies of the united states for many, many years.
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i covered the bombing of pan am flight 103 over scotland. i to the hague and covered the trials to get libyans involved. and the heartbreak that i heard at the time from many of the families of the victims, american victims and the british victims, was so heartwrenching. to sort of pause and catch our breathes here and look back at these momentous events today, assuming it is true that this is the fall of gadhafi, what are your thoughts? >> i guess i've been interviewing him for so long. part of me says it is not possible to imagine libya without him. because with all of his eccentric, bizarreness with the tents, taking the mobile tent wherever he went, there was a dreamy aspect to the guy, when he went committing terrorism. that was the amazing thing about muammar gadhafi. the ability to swerve between
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a pan am 103, to do that and kill over200 people, most americans, in cold blood. and then be the man who after america invaded iraq saying whoa, i the message, i'm giving up my wmd programs. all of a sudden he became america's great friend. the example to the rest of the arabs about what they had to do. no more terrorism, no more weapons of mass destruction. >> gregg: is assad of syria beginning to get those same feelings? >> he's got to be the most nervous guy on the planet. is it me. the same way gadhafi looked at saddam hussein and thought i'm next. syria has to assume the same. we are at a big transition point. a couple of things had to happen quickly within the next 48 hours if not nipped in the bud they can cause problems down the road. there's a point where is it justice or peace?
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is everybody going focus on getting gadhafi getting him arrested getting him to international criminal court? is it going to be score settling where you talk about thousands of family members or is the country going to turn to what is next? how are we going to govern? we want to make sure any of these potential guerrillas are nipped in the bud. we have to make sure the military somewhere on ground are they going to find those potential guerrilla leaders and eliminate them before something else happens? >> in a tribal society like libya, how the national transitional council handles this moment will be dispositive. it will be the decisive factor. if they make it clear that vengeance killings will not be tolerated. that people who stood with gadhafi will not be hurt. if they reach out, i think things may be okay. if not, it can be dies
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>> gregg: you look at rebel leaders, three weeks ago, assassinated by some of his own subordinates because he had been previously involved with muammar gadhafi. which invites the question, how stable is the ntc? how fractious are they? is there a strong lead ter that can hold them together? >> we don't know the answer to any of those questions. we know some of the individuals. some came here and i interviewed one for the "wall street journal". he is the acting minister of finance. he was an extremely able competent, compassionate person who had worked for democracy libya all of his life since he was forced to flee. >> gregg: does he have the confidence of the others? >> this is what he said. time will tell. if the libyan -- it is the libyan people who must decide who will govern them. we are simply a transition mechanism. >> heather: this is just
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crossing the wire coming from al-jazeera tv. rebels saying all of tripoli is under their control.ñ except gadhafi's stronghold of -- >> that was the barracks where he also had his home. that was very heavily bombed by nato. >> gregg: there you see the cheering. we'll show you more video we'll have the latest developments of the know men -- momentous day in the region in a matter of seconds. hi. hi, you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge card account with us. you just read my mind. [ male announcer ] just one little piece of information, and they can open bogus accounts, stealing your credit, your money, and ruining your reputation. that's why you need lifelock. lifelock is the leader in identity theft protection. relentlessly protecting your personal information to help stop the crooks in their tracks before your identity is attacked. protecting your social security number, your bank accounts, even the equity in your home.
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his regime appears to be crumbling very quickly. there are reporters associated press reporters who were traveling with the rebels. they say they've moved very easily from the western out skirts into the regime's stronghold in a dramatic turn of the tide in this six-month-old libyan civil war. reportedly, gadhafi's son saif has been captured by the rebels. the bbc says gadhafi has fled to algeria. who may or may not hand him over to the international criminal court where he's wanted on crimes against humanity. the death penalty there. is cheering in many parts of tripoli. these are some of the individuals that have taken to the streets there. familiar scene, as other governments in the arab spring have fallen over the course of the last seven, eight months. libya would appear to be the latest. >> heather: joining us on the phone former vice chief of
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staff of the army and fox news military analyst, general jack keen. thank you very much for taking time to join us today. a lot of significant developments unfolding as we speak in libya. i would like to ask you first, about the reported arrest of muammar gadhafi's son saif? >> well, this was somewhat inevitable. gadhafi and his leaders knew they could not destroy the rebels, given the fact that nato airpower was there. what gadhafi had that was preserving his power was his military ground forces. of those he two brigades that were effective. one of those was commanded by one of his sons. at some point, the leaders of those organizations and their military commanders above them, rollinged that this was inevitable. that the rebels were going to eventually take control.
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that's what has happened. this is a break down of their will to continue. >> heather: you mentioned nato. we are receiving statements from them as well. they are saying they will continue to monitor gadhafi's military units. they will bomb them, if they make any threatening moves towards the libyan people. >> yes. certainly that's what we should be doing. i think that would be foolish on their part given the turn of events. nonetheless, it's got to be monitored. >> heather: the warplanes have flown nearly 20,000 sorties in the past five months, including 7500 strike attacks against gadhafi forces. your thoughts on the general historic moment that we are seeing unfold. >> this is the beginning of a victory for the libyan people. the fact of the matter is, they are demanding political reform. they need social justice. and they certainly need
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economic developments. they are looking at the model in the west. certainly in the united states. in terms of democrat and economic reforms. that's what this arab spring is about. that's what the people of libya were doing in those streets, risking their lives to remove the shackle of repression that gadhafi had around them that affected every aspect of their lives. >> heather: thank you so much for joining us general jack keane. >> take care. ur engine ur engine run more smoothly by helping remove deposits and cleaning up intake valves. so when you fill up at an exxon or mobil station, you can rest assured we help your engine run more smoothly while leaving behind cleaner emissions. it's how we make gasoline work harder for you. exxon and mobil. a mouthwatering combination of ingredients...e for you!
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. >> gregg: historic day in libya. they are celebrating in the darkness of night. out on the streets. there you see some of the pictures. libyan rebel reportedly have moved into tripoli. gadhafi, nobody is sure where he is. bbc reporting he has fled to algeria. nato seems to think his regime
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has fallen, after decades of iron fisted control and ruthless violence. dominic is streaming live from the border. what can you tell us? >> reporter: today mashes six months since the uprising started. started next door in libya. compare this night with the night that hosni mubarak finally resigned back in february. we didn't know where he was at the time. was he cairo? was he in sharm el sheik? another disappearing act so it seems in libya. we don't know where colonel gadhafi is. it could be he is still inside the compound which is been his main base throughout that has been shelled many times by nato over the past months. received various direct hits.
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still remains relatively operative. we believe or it is suspected he's been able to communicate out of there. in the more recent past. could he have been making those calls we've been seeing on state tv in libya from the barracks or from algeria as the bbc reporters suggested where he's gone to? we don't know. the scenes we see operate ground in tripoli are clearly the rebels have -- taken over and are very much in control. there are reports of pockets of resistance. there is free throwing traffic in the streets. a sign there is a mass movement of the regular people who for many weeks were too scared to go out. big change of events there. it all looking like it has finally fallen into the rebels' hands. indeed there is freedom and liberty in libya now. >> gregg: dominic di-natale thank you so much. now let's go into libya, live
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on the phone with tadek. what is happening? >> it is getting very tense here. there was a massive volley of gunfire not more than 10 minutes ago. all the armed guards had been keeping us here for our own protection they tell us, disappear. somebody said we are going to green square. they melted away. massive volley of gunfire and they all disappear. the scary situation is now we got young men roaming through the corridors, armed with clash could have rifles they are very agitated, -- angry. press put out sheets with the word tv on it. they are getting up -- upset about that. we expect the rebels any time trying to identify ourselves as international media. very , a lot of very nervous people. having young kids going around with these machine guns makes us worried. >> gregg: as much as i want to
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talk to you some more, i'm going to cut this off because i want you to be safe. you and your crew don't take chances get to a safe place. tadek call us back when you can. thank you very much. final thoughts from kt, judith about a minute left. >> i think it is an extraordinary moment for libya, for the mideast. the first time that a country using weapons in the modern mideast has over thrown a regime of this nature. also a victory for nato and is ally, principle the united states. >> i would absolutely add to all of that. i think you are absolutely right. but i'm worried about the next 48 hours. let's see how it develops. this is not the time for us to step back and hope for the best. >> gregg: we are likely kt. you have been in the diplomatic field for years. we are likely working vigorously behind the scenes? >> we have special forces on ground, the british too.
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we will spend the next 48 hours rounding up what whatever is left of gadhafi supporters and working with the rebels to make sure they don't start -- >> gregg: thank you both. what a day. is the reign of terror of gadhafi over after so many decades and so many deaths and so much terror? stay with us, continuing, live coverage here on the fox news channel, fox report is next. [ male announcer ] this is lisa, who tries to stay ahd of her class.
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