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seven years. how many, seven? you get to catch the football. can we get it on camera? greta is next with herman cain. see you tomorrow night. >> tonight did mr. herman cain sexually harassment two co-workers or not? next, mr. herman cain. good to see you. >> thank you, greta. >> you stirred up controversy, your campaign. >> anonymous people stirred up a controversy with the claims of false claims of sexual harassment. >> i want to get the background first. when were you at the national restaurant years, what years? >> i was at the national restaurant association from 1996, december, through the middle of 1999. two and a half years. >> why did you leave? >> i left because when i went there, i made the commitment to the board of directors that i only wanted to be there two to
three years. i did not want to be a career association executive. so it was exactly two and a half years that i decided to leave because i was off, wanting to do other things, starting my new business. >> i understand it was godfather pizza, was that a member of the restaurant association? is this -- i mean, who are the typical members? >> yes. most of the restaurant chains in america, most of the independent restaurant owners in america belong to the restaurant association. not 100%, but a large percentage of them, they are members of the restaurant association. all of the big companies are members. god fathers was and is a member of the national restaurant association. we have members all the way from a single restaurant owner, all the way up to a major chain like mcdonalds. >> so it's an organization, is it located here in washington? is it a lobbying organization
for washington, one. its purposes? >> yes, it's head quartered here in washington, d.c., and it's mission, quite simple, is to represent the industry. we have a lobbying arm of it. educate the public and educate members and provide educational materials, and promote the restaurant industry. that's what it is all about. yes, it's located here in washington, d.c.. >> when you were the head of it for those two and a half years, about how many employees here in washington? >> about 150. >> all right. >> and we also had our educational foundation, which also reported to me, about 150 people located in chicago. and we also had our convention staff in chicago because each year the national restaurant show was held in chicago. >> now, there is a woman who claimed you harassed her. >> yes. >> did she work here or in chicago? >> the one that i am familiar with worked here in the washington office. and i can't even remember her name because she had not been a
long-term employee. but i do remember the formal allegations she made in terms of sexual harassment. i have never sexually harassed anybody in my life and this formal charge was made. then once it was made i reduced myself and turned it over to my general counsel and one of the other executives that worked for me, the lead in charge of human resources, and asked them to investigate, and they did. the charge was filed, they did investigate. it was found to be baseless, and, yes, there was some sort of settlement or termination, and i don't even know what the contents of that was. since it was found baseless, it wasn't a big settlement or in would have had to have come to me. >> what was her job? >> she worked in one of a departments. she was a writer.
she was in the communications area. >> how often like on a weekly basis did you come in contact with her? >> not very much hank is not very much? >> meaning i might see her in the office because her office was on the same floor as my office but her boss was also there. i would go down and see her boss and her boss would come and see me because he had an office on the same floor. so i would say that maybe if i was in the office, but i was out speaking, because i spent a lot of time speaking to state restaurant associations, so i was out of the office and off a lot during that 2 1/2 years. >> did she travel at all with you. >> no. >> never? >> no, never did travel with me. >> about how old was she in the mid-90s? >> i'm not real sure of her age. in the mid-90s i was about 55 years of age. i can't recall. she was younger than i was, i do know that, but i really can't recall. >> 20s or 30s?
>> in would have had to have been late 30s, early 40s, is just a guess. and that's just a wild guess. >> how did you first hear that she was making a claim against you? who told you? >> the politco. >> no, back in the 90s. >> oh, i got it. my general counsel came to my office and told me that she had made a claim. i said okay. what do we need to do? >> what did he say she claimed you did. >> he used the term sexual harassment claim. >> you didn't say like what? >> no. >> you didn't say like, whoa, what did she say? >> no, i said what do you mean sexual harassment? she made claims of sexual harassment. now he may have told me what incidents she might have included in the claim but all day i have been getting beat up and i've been trying to recall what some of those things were and haven't been able to recall a lot of them pause that's why
they got dismissed because there was though basis because it was simple stuff and i can't remember all of it. >> do you remember any of it? >> i remember one that was in the claim, and that is in my office, and this has come about just during the day as i have tried to recollect what happened back then. now let me first make sure, i reduced myself and it was handled by two of my staff members. one is an officer level so once it was resolved, i wasn't involved and don't recall what quote, unquote, settlement, termination, i don't know what it was. but here's the one incident i recall as the day has gone on. she was in my office one day and i made a gesture saying, oh -- and i was standing close to her. and i made a gesture, you are the same height of my wife. and brought my hand -- didn't touch her -- up to my chin and said you are the same height of
my wife because my wife comes up to my chin. my wife of 43 years. and that wasçó put in there as something that made her uncomfortable as part of the sexual harassment charge. >> did she say anything like that's weird or anything or the next thing noted it was in the accusation? >> nope. i can't recall any comment that she made positive or negative after i made the gesture about her height, comparing it to my wife's height. >> so once the general counsel came to you and told you about the claim, what was the next thing you did? >> i reduced myself and told peter. >> the general counsel. >> the general counselor, to get together with mary -- i'm losing the last names because we are talking twelve years ago, but for them to basically address it. i do recall that the lead making the charge had gotten an attorney. and i reduced myself because i was the ceo and the charge was being leveled against me. peter kept me updated on the
progress of this whole situation, and the thing i remember most is one day he came in and said, first, the charges were found baseless. >> by whom? >> i don't recall by whom the charges were found baseless. i don't know whether it was attorneys getting together. i don't even remember if we had outside attorneys. i was busy traveling, i was busy running the association so i wasn't involved in a lot of the details so i can't tell you how they were determined to be baseless. >> did this woman say she had any witnesses? not that she necessarily had to have any but i'm curious did she say she had any? >> one of the things i recall my general counsel telling me, one of the reasons that -- there was no basis to it is because she couldn't find any witnesses to corroborate her story. >> which you know is typical, people don't necessarily
sexually harass in crowds. >> not necessarily in crowds. that one little thing about the height thing is in my office, door open, plain viewin my secretary is outside the office, but in reviewing her case she couldn't find anybody to corroborate her story. >> were you of deposed or questioned by her lawyer? >> no, i was not. >> was she, to your knowledge, of deposed or questioned by your general counsel or anybody in connection with your organization? >> i don't know for sure. i don't want to presume. i do not know for sure. >> between the time you were told that there was an accusation against you and the time that it was settled, how much time sure. >> that about? >> it was about six to nine months. >> and during that time did anyone talk to you at all about it? >> no, other than my general counsel. that was the only person that talk to me about it. >> did you have any conversation with her? >> no, none. >> was it sort of in the deep
freeze, neither one you have talked about it at that point. >> no, because she was no longer employed by the restaurant association. >> how soon after the accusation against you was she no longer employed by the restaurant association? >> that, i don't recall. and i don't recall whether she left the restaurant association before making the accusation. i can't recall which one came first. >> was she fired or was she -- she left voluntarily or got a better job or par of the settlement she left? >> i don't recall, greta. i really don't. i do recall that her performance, it had been told to me by her boss, was not up to par. and i normally didn't get into whether someone is let go or fired unless i had to because i allow my department head to make that decision. her boss, if he didn't think she was doing the job, i said, well, you, along with the human resources department, figure out what you want to do but do it the right way because there are
procedures for letting people go. >> so the six to nine months later the general counsel comes in and said it's settled? >> yes. >> okay. did you ask well what did you do? >> i did. >> and what were you told? >> he said this started out where she and her lawyer were demanding a huge financial settlement. >> how much? >> i don't remember the number. >> thousands or hundreds of thousands. >> thousands but i don't remember a number. then he said the good news is because there was no basis for this, we ended up settling for what would be a termination settlement. >> what would that? >> maybe three months salary, just vaguely trying to call it. >> is that normal. >> yes. >> you leave the restaurant association you get three months. >> depending how long you have been there. it's based on how long you had been there.
it might have been two months, i don't remember the number, but i do remember my general counsel saying the good news is we didn't pay all this money that was being demanded. it really worked out to what we probably would have been able to give her if she had resigned for cause. >> why didn't she get that anyway? why didn't she get the settlement and the resignation or severance? >> she would have got the severance based upon what i recall the conditions under which she left. so we -- she ended up getting what she would have gotten if she had said i want to leave and i would like to negotiate a severance agreement. that's probably as far as we would have gone. but i can't guarantee it was two or three months, i just know it was well within the range of what we would do if we had an amicable separation between the association and an employ'. >> any idea about what she was making a year? >> can't recall.
probably -- probably forty to fifty thousand dollars a year maybe. >> did she of make any claim against anyone else or did she have any unfortunate relationship with anyone else while she was there? >> not that i know of. not that i know of. >> did the board have any role in this at all? >> no. because we were treating it as a human resource matter that we wanted to resolve, and because it got resolved without a major payout, it got resolved without us having to go to court, we didn't feel the need to share it with the board. and it's interesting that in that article the three people that did go public -- >> you mean in the politcoarticle. >> that article. the three people that went public was the past chair, the existing chairman and the in coming chairman. the three people stated in the
article and attested to my character and my integrity. they didn't even know about it because it wasn't a big issue that was blown up that they needed to know about because of the way it was resolved by my staff. >> did you of see the settlement agreement with her? >> no. >> you didn't sign it. >> no. i don't recall signing it. now, the fact that i say i don't recall signing it, doesn't mean that i didn't sign it, but i simply don't recall if i signed it. >> you mentioned the politco article where members of the board came out very strongly for you. >> yes. >> in the same article they suggested there's another woman. >> yes. and aim totally unaware as to any formal charges coming from this other person. and the other woman, the name is not mentioned in politco, but politco shared the name of this other lead with my staff so i know the name of the person
that's alleged to be the other one. she had been a longer-term employee. but i have no knowledge that she made a formal complaint or acquisition or anything like that. >> so she never got any settlement or any severance, as far as you know? >> as far as i know --. >> would you know? >> i would know. i would know if there had been some formal complaint because my general counsel would have advised me to settle if it was serious for whatever reason. but i'm not even aware that a complaint was made. >> did anyone tell your staff what this second woman claimed you did? >> no. they only said that there were two instances, two ladies that work at the restaurant association that were claiming sexual harassment by me. that's what they told us. they only shared the name of one
of the ladies. >> the one being the one that hadn't signed the settlement? >> no, the one that i didn't even know that that was a formal charge. >> but the one with the settlement, you know who that is, you just don't remember her last name? >> i don't remember her name at all, the one where there was some sort of agreement. >> the one whose name you do remember, that they shared with you, what was her job? >> she worked in our governmental affairs department and she worked in the function that managed our political action committee. >> how often would you see her in a given week? >> not a lot because i was on the road a lot. so if i'm in the office, it would be casually running into her like i would run into everybody. but because when i was in that role, i was on the road a lot. one year i gave 80 speeches, and if you figure out the math on that, because -- and went to nearly every state because they would have a straight restaurant association meeting -- i mean a state convention, and i would
go. so i was gone an awful lot. >> did you of travel with this second woman some. >> no. >> so you have never -- have you of been in a hotel room, to have inappropriate conversation with anyone? >> no. >> there was one suggestion that someplace in chicago i think that, i don't know if i got this right, that you had had a conversation with someone. is that not right? >> when we were at the restaurant show, i was constantly talking with different staff members about different issues. if i had a private conversation with her, i don't recall having a private conversation with her. but all of the conversations that i had, it would have been. but i don't recollect. >> and straight ahead you hear more from mr. herman cain, including why he believes the sexual harassment scandal is suddenly exploding. also there's huge news tonight in arizona, gov. jan brewer is here to tell you what is going on in her state.
accusations of sexual harassment against him are false. here's more of our interview with mr. cain. >> why do you think this is coming up now? >> i believe this is coming up now because i'm doing so well in this republican presidential campaign. i'm in the top tier. i'm statistically tied with mit romney, and in some of the policy i'm actually in first place. i have no idea who is egging this on, who is on this witch-hunt, but i am convinced, and my staff and i are convinced that it is intended to, one, distract us, and it is a distraction. secondly, a lot of people have a problem with the fact that i am doing so well and i'm likable. third, sense they cannot shoot holes in my proposals, my plans, they are going to try to shoot holes in me, the candidate. so that's the reason it is
coming up now. >> a lot of guys don't know what sexual harassment is. they just think they are being complimenting a woman. >> right. >> are you one of those guys? i mean, do you sort of know where the line is wherein appropriate and appropriate, are you like one of these overcompliment tores and just don't get it? and how do we know? >> i believe i have a good sense for where you cross the line relative to sexual harassment. but you have to know the lady, the individual. and if you look at my entire 40-year career and you look at the fact they worked for the department of the navy, coca-cola, the pulse bury company, managed organizations, man regions, and ran god fathers restaurant and get to the national restaurant association and up to that point not one accusation of sexual harassment, which meant i did a pretty good job of knowing where to draw the
line. i thought i had drawn the line and not infringed on what was perceived at sexual harassment on her part when you i made the gesture about the height and i can't remember what else was even in the accusation. >> do you on a roaming eye, at ? >> a roaming eye? >> you know what i mean. >> i enjoy flowers like everybody else. >> you know what i mean. women sometime see sexual harassment differently than men. >> correct. >> you don't recall, and maybe it didn't occur, maybe there was no conversation, i mean women -- look, women can make it up and they can be telling the truth. and it's always just two people alone and sort of hard to tell so i'm trying to get a sense of whether or not you are one of those guys that's a little too friendly and a little too cozy when you are with a coworker. >> here is what i can tell you. >> okay.
>> i know i never made any innuendos with the lead that filed the complaint that we were talking about at first, none. >> zero? >> zero. zero. none. >> and the other woman whose name you remember? of anything -- nothing with her? >> no. i recall that there were times when some of the members of the staff would go out for friday evening, you know, cocktails or appetizers and this sort of thing and typically it could have been a group of us. she was in some of those group activities where we went out together, but it was never she and i alone or anything like that. the first one that you talked about, she never was in any of those kind of after-hour activities. >> are you one of those guys in a group who can say sort of dopey things that women can
later, when they go into the ladies room, they talk about the guys and say did you hear what mr. cain said or herm cain said? one of those guys saying dopey things in a group? >> no. the only thing i can be guilty of saying in a group, is paying a compliment. for example, if i'm with friends and my wife is there and my friends are there, i might compliment my friend on how lucky he is to have married up because some men marry up, and those kind of compliments. just complimenting somebody else. so i would say that are, i would pay a lead a compliment. if she changed her hairy might say oh, you changed your hairstyle, it's very becoming. so i would make compliment to women in group settings like that, sure. >> is there any chance more accusations will come out? that's the thing that is most painful in all these sort of
candidates, is that all of a sudden you say no, and then the next day someone else shows up and then all of a sudden you look like a big liar, not to mention a big sexual harasser. is there anything else we can lay on the table right now? >> to my knowledge, greta, no. remember, there wasn't even an inkling of a sexual harassment charge in all of the other jobs that i had, all the way up until the time that i worked for the national restaurant association. to my knowledge, no. is it possible that someone is going to make something up? yes. but is it going to be credible in terms of there was an actual sexual harassment case filed? no because i would have known about it. if someone is going to step forward and say that i made some inappropriate comments or acted inappropriately that they could call sexual harassment, even though they didn't file a formal complaint, not to my knowledge. but remember, people can still
make stuff up. but i have absolutely no doubt in my mind that there was no other credible ones out there that could actually show up and, okay, here we go again. you won't get a hear we go again because there isn't anything. >> you know, it took -- i think that politco said they contacted your staff about the 20th of october and took several days to get an answer. so that fuels lots of suspicion. >> right. >> why did it take several days? may not seem like you but what took so long. >> we made a conscious decision, when they brought it to my atext, since these were two anonymous claims, that we did not want to legitimize two anonymous claims until politco felt they were ready to go public with this. why chase anonymous? secondly, we weren't even aware what the article was going to say. we didn't know what we were going to have to defend. so why defend something before
you know what it is that you have to defend? i'm glad that we waited because they quoted three board members who basically confirmed my character and my integrity. that's why we waited. >> and coming up, the knock-down, drag-out battle with the obama administration with congresswoman. and drug cartels are now using american children to do their dirty work. you will see the scary new evidence straight ahead.
>> a billion dollars drug ring busted. they crack the massive trafficking operation. they say it was tied to mexico's most powerful cartel and they were smuggling drugs through arizona easiesert. gov. jan brewer has been waging a fight to get the obama administration to tighten security. and she just wrote a book called "scorpions for breakfast." good evening, governor. >> good evening. >> who came one that title and why? >> it is a fun title, isn't it? actually chuck norris came up with it. he was making comments and was on tv or radio and said that jan brewer is so tough she eats
scorpions for breakfast. we thought that was a clever title and we have to be tough so why not? >> the book starts about issues that are very personal to arizona and to much of the country. but start with the personal stuff. the rancher who was murdered in south arizona. that's where you start. why did you start with him? >> because i believed that that was really, truly our wake-up call. the bottom lean is we knew we had a battle on our hands, but when rob was murdered down there on his ranch, after all the pleading and all the crying out to help us, federal government, protect and secure or borders, it was just absolutely devastating. it was a terrible thing to have to hear via the telephone that that had happened to that particular family, to anybody. but then i knew that i was not going to give up, i would not stop. i would not let that of -- under my governorship allow that to
happen again. i was going to shout it from the rooftops and that's what i've attempted to do. >> but to jump ahead to today, big news about a huge drug bust in arizona. huge. i mean millions and millions of dollars. >> absolutely. and again, it's just another example that our borders aren't secure, and that the federal government is not doing their job. and it's just so unfortunate, greta, that we continue to have to be placed in these kinds of circumstances. and although they did arrest, i believe, what, 76 people in regards to this bust, the bottom line is they will reorganize and they will continue to go and that vacuum will be filled with another gang. you know, it just -- it's unnerving to realize that we sit there somewhat helpless and our federal government just simply won't step up and do their job and won't allow us, by the way, to do it. that's why i wrote the book. the bottom line is scorpions for breakfast, we keep fighting, we
try to help them, we try to do something, and it just never gets -- our story never gets told. so i think in my book that i'm a truth teller, i'm trying to tell the public just exactly what we are under, what we have been put up to as far as being tested and how radical the liberal media has been in sharing our story with the people of america. our borders are not secure. our citizens not only in arizona are not secure, and certainly the people of america are not secure. >> one of the sort of interesting things, you refer to the -- there's some reference to january -- jan bo, which is sort of fun. and i don't know if people realize in every state there is bipartisanship and you and congresswoman gabby giffords are friends. and you write about when you
first heard she was shot. >> that was a terrible day in the history in the state of roz. something that one would never, of expect to be involved in. and it just broke our hearts and it was such a touch and go situation for so long not knowing whether she was shot, if she had died. we kept getting reports back that she had been killed. so it was somewhat of a releaf after we found out that she had survived and had been taken to the hospital. of course, we all know from that point forward it was all touch and go. but gabby and i had a good relationship. she was one and is one of the sweetest, nicest people that anyone would of, of meet. so it was a terrible tragedy. you know, obviously created by a madman. >> and i don't mean to -- there are several people who died. i don't mean to minimize their suffering and deaths, but she is obviously someone we all new. and here's the interesting mart from the book. page 193 you talk about the
obama administration, including arizona in its report to the united nations human rights council, and looks like you are sort of -- your colleagues on this are lib bra, cuba, saudi arabia and china and arizona. what a combo. >> what a combo. and that was so outrageous. it's almost unbelievable that they would try to ask those countries to judge us in arizona about our human rights? oh, please. that just really frosted me. are you kidding me? >> it's extraordinary. and you had some nice words for the president when he came down and spoke at the memorial and the first lady. so i mean there are times when even though you are battling with the administration, there are times when at least even in your book you talk about when you can work together? >> absolutely. and he did come to arizona and we were very grateful that he did, and he made some very kind and good remarks at the memorial
there for the people that passed away. and talked about civility. and we appreciated it very, very much. >> governor brewer, thank you. i know your battle will go on because i can tell from your book that you are not giving up. i read it and i enjoyed it. thank you very much and good luck. hope you come back. i expected to see you in new york but i got held up here. next time. >> nice seeing you, greta. >> thanks, governor. hold on to your seats for this one. mexican drug cartels could be targeting american children. you heard right, american children. how and why? that's next. and as part of movie history and american culture, now there are big, new plans for a field of dreams. do not touch that remote.
recover from that rare october snowstorm that struck over the weekend. >> tonight at least 19 deaths blamed on the storms, including one in canada. one town got 32 inches of snow. 3 million homes remain without power. a lot of neighborhoods had to postpone trick-or-treating. and two more banks cancelling plans to charge customers for debit card purchases. it follows moves by other banks. banks have would be adding fees trying to recoup billions in revenue expected to vanish as a result of debit card regulations. >> it's unthinkable, the mexican drug cartels using american children in their smuggling operations. texas law unthinkable operations
lured they are luring kids as young as 11 years old with the promise of making easy money. the texas department of public safety joins us. what information do you have that the children are being used by the drug cartels? >> we know that six or seven mexican cartels are operating in texas and we know through intelligence that they are using kids to operate on both sides of the texas-mexico border. in fact, although the texas border regions constitutes 9 .9% of the population in texas, 19% drugs offenses occur in that region and 19% of the gang referrals. we had a 12-year-old boy arrested driving a pickup truck with hundreds of pounds of marijuana. we warned parents.
the driving age but now we have to warn them a little earlier than that. >> what is the reaction of the parents the ones you are picking up that are running drugs for the cartels? >> they range, but obviously many parents are surprised, especially an event where we had a school, very small county, and a school where 25 high school students were recruited by the cartels to operate for them. that was certainly a shock to the communist and certainly to the student body. and we've had other situations where we've had parents didn't realize that there were two young teenage boys were lured into mexico and the next thing they know they were beaten, received a phone two and they had to ransom their kids back, released along the rio grande river and we found them using a helicopter. >> i imagine they are getting paid but in drugs or cash? any idea? what's the attraction? how big is the money for the kids? >> the primarily cash is the
motivation. and you will find that as low as $50 just to move a vehicle from point a to point b on this side of the border. so it doesn't have to be big cash. but any involvement with the mexican cartels, and these are the same people that murdered over 40,000 people in mexico. the same individuals that are engaged in terrorist tactics and using thousand -- military commando type weapons. these aren't the types of organizationings we want our children, our most precious asset, dealing with. >> are you getting help from the federal government? are you notified them? are they taking you seriously? are they assisting you? what's the story of the relationship with the federal government on this? >> i give great credit to randy hill, who is no longer there, but he was a senior border patrol agent in the del rio section that saw these bridge cases occurring and on his own working through border patrol, and that is a great organize,
they have great men and women that work every day to protect texas and the rest of the nation, an educational program to try to inoculate kids like you do gangs or anyone else and warn them before they get mixed up with the cartel. i'm very impressed with that program. we certainly support that when we can. >> so are you satisfied that the federal government is doing everything it can and needs to do for you to help you do your job? >> well, the consequences of an unsecure border is that we continue to have quantities of drugs and thousands of people cross our borders, and clearly it constitutes a public safety and homeland security threat to texans. we would like to see certainly our border patrol partners and other partners get the resources they need so we can secure the border because it's vitally important that we do so. >> sir, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, greta.
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