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fine. >> sure. >> good to see you. that's all the time we have left. greta is next to go on the record. we'll see you tomorrow night. this is a fox news alert. thousands of u.s. marines are on the move in the mediterranean. three u.s. navy warships are heading closer to israel. they're on alert in the event americans need to be evacuated from israel. right now israel and hamas ranch ratcheting up the attacks. israel expanding the bombing campaign in gaza and hamas rockets raining down on southern israel. it's only getting worse. so is the u.s. doing enough to support its ally israel? you'll hear from batched john bolton and senator john mccain and a live report from southern israel. senator-elect ted cruz is here. he said he knows how to get the g.o.p. message out to hispanic voters. you'll hear his plan, but first, the crisis in the middle east.
>> we've got the sirens going. we've got the sirens going. we'll keep going. this area was hit once before. we're going to keep moving. we're going to grab this. keep coming this way. >> they're crumbling all over the middle east. >> you have people determined to destroy israel. >> we want hamas to stop firing on us, and we want to create a situation where they cannot fire at us every other day and pair lies after the country. it's a terrorist group that wants the destruction of israel. no nation would put up with what hawaii 6 israel has up until now. they have to defend their people and their nation. >> this is where the rocket hit. you can see the explosion through the cement wall. obviously right now there's just a horrible smell of explosives in the air. this is what it did to a concrete walkway. you can imagine what it would have done to a person who didn't take shelter. >> we're fully supportive of israel's right to defend itself from missiles landing on people's homes and work places
and potentially killing civilians, and we will continue to support israel's right to defend itself. >> all of us, republicans and democrats, stand with the president in supporting israel. >> it's several things that make this issue very dangerous. i think that it's very important that we recognize that the united states of america has got to push as hard as we can to resolve this israeli-palestinian issue. >> so is the u.s. pushing hard enough? is president obama doing whatever he can and should do? former un ambassador john bolton joins us. good evening, sir. >> glad to be here. >> the prime minister of turkey is calling israel a terrorist state and president morsi has condemned israel. israel doesn't have many friends in the middle east right now. in fact, it has non- >> it reflects the deteriorating security situation for israel and the united states that's been going on for the past two years. but honestly, i don't think this is a question of hamas and israel. i think this is a question of iran and israel, particularly as
hamas or somebody, maybe iranians in the gaza strip, are firing missiles that can hit tel aviv and jerusalem. this is iran showing it can unleash both hamas and hezbollah if need be in response to an israeli attack on iran's nuclear weapons program. >> let's not forget the sudan. i've been talking about that since i went there last year in april. apparently the iranian rockets which can reach tel aviv and jerusalem, they're being funneled through the sudan to egypt, to gaza, to hamas. they're coming right through the sudan, and the sudan is up to their eyeballs. you've got president morsi who has been very chum my with the president of sudan. they're very tight now and the plot thickens. >> this idea that morsi of the muslim brotherhood is somehow a moderate when it comes to dealing with israel is just fanciful. the threat here is that if
israel backs off from its present posture with respect to gaza, more missiles will come in from iran through sudan, and when and if israel decides to do something about the iranian nuclear weapons program, the israeli air force will be in a very difficult position because it can't be in three places at once. it can't be over iran and over gaza and over the valley trying to take out hezbollah missiles. >> of course, it was over sudan taking out the munitions factory that they believe was in iran less than a month ago. they can't be that place, either. >> right. no. i think this is a decision iran has made to demonstrate what many people have feared for a long time, that hamas has at least elements of hamas have this capability that's a direct threat, and whether the missiles are actually impacting in tell l aviv or jerusalem is not the issue. if the iranians give them their capabilities and guidance systems, these missiles can be quite active even at that long
range. >> this is no surprise. pauprime minister met netanyahus been warning the world for a long time that he would take action against hamas if they continued to send rockets into israel. is there something that president obama has failed to do that perhaps might have put the lid on this, or is there nothing? is this just inevitable? >> i think president obama still believes he can find a way to negotiate with iran over the nuclear program. i think there's a deal out there, unfortunately, that he will try and cook when he can, so i think iran sensing this weakness and vulnerablability, seeing that netanyahu is con trained because of the election he's called in january after our inauguration is making it clear they now have, in effect, israel encircled. hezbollah on the north, hamas on the south, their own capabilities from the east. >> have we let israel down? >> i think we've been pressuring israel for the last four years to cut a deal with the palestinians, not to do anything about the iranian nuclear
weapons program. we've been ignoring what the real strategic relat reality ist iran's support for terrorism, its nuclear weapons program is the redestableizing influence. now combined with the arab sprinkle that's gonspring that'y wrong, it's bad from the american perspective. >> they don't want to do a ground war, but it's possible. the palestinians or hamas says it wants a blockade to stop to gaza. the israelis want the rockets to stop going to israel. where does this lead? >> well, i think israel's position continues to deteriorate. there is no deal. there is no truce with the terrorist group like hamas. let's be clear. they're bar bash i can i bar i o respects. they're firing rockets at israeli civilians and they're hiding behind their palestinian breath ren to try and get shields, human shields from the
israeli retaliation. this is a no-win situation for israel, especially when although president obama rhetorically has been supportive of israel publicly, behind the scenes most people believe he's put incredible pressure on the netanyahu government not to go in on the ground. >> ambassador, thank you, sir. >> thank you. tonight, senator john mccain is demanding an apology from u.n. ambassador susan rice. he wants her to admit she was wrong to call the benghazi attack a response to a video. we spoke with senator mccain a short time ago. >> senator, nice to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> i understand, sir, that you think ambassador susan rice should apologize for going on five sunday morning talk shows pushing that video protest story. there are a lot of people that are on tv that say things that are wrong. she has had public condemnation over it by many. isn't that enough? >> well, i think when you're speaking for the president of the united states which she was, that's very different from people just going out and giving their opinions on various talk
shows, so i think it's vastly different. she was speaking from the white house. she had access to classified information, so again, she should have known better because we now know that there was information from classified sources which clearly indicated that this was a al-qaeda affiliated attack as well, and by the way, that still is hard to understand, why you would keep information from the american people which would give you an entirely different depiction of what happened because it's, quote, classified sources. that's a subject of another argument, but the fact is she came out speaking for the white house even though the president, incredibly, said she had nothing to do with benghazi, so the question is what in the world was she doing out there speaking about benghazi. she spoke to the american people on behalf of the president of the united states. that's very different from voicing an opinion on a talk show. >> well, maybe he should
apologize under your theory since apparently it came from the white house and apparently in many ways, it looked like although i think she should have asked questions, that she might have been hung out to dry by somebody else unless she knew that it was wrong and she said it. we don't have any information like that. >> well, again, there was classified information which in her position as ambassador to the u.n., she had access to that, but the real issue here is not susan rice. it is before, during, and after the total failures that this administration engaged in which has caused the deaths of these four brave americans. the warnings in the beginning which i've gone through with you in the past, the attacks on the consulate, the cables, the august 16th message saying that they could not resist a sustained attack on the congress late to why in the world on september 11th there was no
military capabilities there in the region over a seven-hour fight to afterwards obviously the president saying in a second debate that he had said that if was a terrorist attack on september the 12th when, in fact, he didn't. in fact, we now know that 60 minutes sup pressed the program sup pressed the interview that he had where he stated we don't know who is responsible for this attack. even the 25th of september before the united nations, the president talked about hateful videos. now, he had to have had that information two weeks after the attacks. >> i certainly think there's a lot of explaining to be done, a lot of questions by the administration, and i hope we get to the bottom of it. let me turn to another pressing problem. the prime minister of turkey called israel a terrorist state. that's on the heels of president morsi saying or condemning israel for what's going on in the middle east right now
including president morsi saying egypt today is different than egypt yesterday, and that arabs today are different than the arabs of yesterday which i see as very ominous. your thoughts about that. >> it's very disturbing. the arab spring as intended consequences and unintended consequences. this statement by prime minister who by the way i know has to be repudiated and strongly. it can only encourage hamas when he has that kind of language calling israel a terrorist state and then, of course, morsi has his constituent whe sees in egy. this is, greta, a sign of american weakness. they can say these things without paying any price for it. there's got to be a price to pay for them doing this, and if this god for bid, conflict escalates, again, it's a sign of american weakness througweakness through. before in crises, henry
kissinger and jim baker was there and somebody was there brokering the process and bringing a halt to it. now the president makes phone calls from burma? we have dramatically changed, and i can tell you begin, al-qaeda is on the rise, and they are moving throughout the middle east and americans are -- we're going to pay a very heavy price for it because of the lack of american leadership. >> what should president obama be saying to the prime minister of turkey? >> excuse me, sir, but you're not telling the truth. well, i would have a private conversation with him, the president should, but publicly the president should absolutely rebuke that statement. the state department spokesperson today refused to do that. you can't let those kinds of things be said about a democratic state that's under rocket attack, and it's all got to do with the desire to be the leader of the arab world.
i don't blame him for wanting to do that, but when he goes to these lengths, he has to be repudiated, and if he really believes that, it obviously has to affect our relations with the country. >> what should secretary of state hillary clinton be doing, or is this a matter for president obama at this point to make a public statement? >> well, the first thing i'd do, i'd find out when the next plane to the middle east takes off. i'm not sure i would hang around that part of the world. by the way, this is an interesting aspect of the president's, quote, pivot to asia. we can't pivot away from the middle east, greta. there's too many things going on there for us to pivot away from it, but look. she's got -- she should be over there. she should be the way henry kissinger used to and other of our secretaries of state, but the question is, what influence does she have because of the waning influence because of the perception of weakness throughout the arab world, whether it be in iraq where
there's just recently fighting in the al-qaeda setting up terrorist camps or where now 40,000 people have been massacred in syria, and we have said assad must go and do nothing to facilitate that process to obviously the iranians who are sending those missiles in, as you mentioned, through the sudan into egypt and then to gaza, and those are longer range missiles. thank god for iron dome, by the way, and so we have to make sure that we reassert american influence and that means american power and that doesn't mean leading from behind. >> senator, thank you very much. i'll tell you that i wish america paid more attention to what's going on in the sudan. they are the route for those powerful missiles and so much other bad things. thank you, sir. >> thank you, and you're right about sudan. and tonight both israel and hamas are ramping up attacks.
hours ago an israeli air strike killed a top militant leader. it's just about dawn in the region, about 5:14 a.m. fox news correspondent david lee miller is live in southern israel with the very latest. david lee? >> greta, it is just about dawn. it is the dawn of a new day. this could be the most critical day yet in this conflict. in the next few hours we expect to learn if, in fact, there's going to be a cease-fire or an escalation. the israeli cabinet has been meeting as best we know throughout the night, nine members of that cabinet, to decide whether to accept or to reject a peace plan that's been negotiated in egypt. meanwhile, not far from where i'm standing there are troops and attention ready to move into gaza if they do get the go-ahead. only hours ago in cairo the exiled leader of hamas news conference saying that he is not looking for any escalation of the conflict, but he did say, and i quote him, we will not accept any israeli
demands. they are the ones who attacked. a cease-fire will occur when our demands are met. specifically, hamas wants an end to the blockade of gaza and they're calling for more mortar getted assassinations by israel. israel is calling for a buffer zone around the border with goz and for an end to all the rocket attacks. before the escalation of the current conflict, hundreds and hundreds of rockets had been fired by militants into israel for the past several months. now, just hours ago we heard yet more air raid sirens in the south. the iron dome missile defense system once again did its job. we could see interceptions taking place. there were no injuries. the israeli military keeping up its pressure. in gaza there were a number of air strikes in the last several hours. we're told by our producer on the ground one of the targets was a bank in gaza with links to hamas. additionally, we are told that a building used by the government
for security facilities was also hit. lastly, greta, we should mention that today we did not see, we did not see any rockets targeting tel aviv. we do not understand why. possibly they'r their longer rae missiles have been depleted, possibly they're saving them. perhaps it's just tied to the diplomatic efforts. we'll find out more in the next few hours. all the analysts here believe within the next 24 hours either there's going to be a cease-fire or some type of escalation. everyone in the region holding their breath. greta? >> david lee, any issue a about the fact that its egypt that's sort of trying to broker this peapeace agreement? egypt would be the typical choice years ago. in light of the fact that president morsi has condemned israel about this, any awkwardness or is he just the only choice? >> reporter: well, it's interesting because egypt is trying to broker a peace deal, but the point you're making is a
good one. they're not only brokers, they're also participants in the process. one of the things that hamas is calling for is that the border that hamas has with egypt be opened up. in the past, egypt has resisted that and now it appears that is one of the issues being negotiated. to what extent israel wants to seem like they've resolved this crisis could depend very much on their willingness to open at least some of that border crossing for goods and supplies. so in the past they played a very different role. now they've very clearly aligned themselves with the hamas government. how far are they willing to go? that remains to be seen. we'll have to keep in mind that the egyptian government receives billions of dollars in financial aid from the u.s. and that is something that is going to be significant in the decision-making process. greta? >> david lee, thank you. it's 5:18 in israel. the sun's coming up. let's hope that we have good news throughout the day. it looks bleak. thank you, david lee.
straight ahead, one day after his own son was born, jake tapper saw a report he couldn't ignore. while he was celebrating the birth of his son, eight american families lost their sons in one of the deadliest battles for u.s. forces in afghanistan. over the next two years, tapper made it his mission to get answers about what happened. he's here to tell you what he found. it's horrifying and gripping. jake tapper is next. texas senator-elect ted cruz said he knows what republicans have to do to win over hispanic voters. what's his solution? he's here to tell you. plus, o.j. simpson news. did a serial killer murder his exwife, nicole brown simpson and ron goldman. stunning new claims more than 18 years afterrrrrr
>> october 3, 2009, camp keating, the most technically disadvantaged american outpost in all of afghanistan, located within three mountains. 53 u.s. troops hoping it would not happen but they were attacked by 400 taliban, outoutnumberred almost 8 to 1. what happened and why? abc news senior white house correspondent jack tapper set out to get answers. the fact of one of the murdered
soldiers telling tapper he blames the president and the secretary of defense for not supporting his son. that's one of the eye opening stores in the outpost. he joins us. thanks for joining us, jake. >> thanks for having me, greta. >> you need to read this to understand what the soldiers went through. >> i hope so. that's the goal is so people because 99% of us have no idea about this war. we're not connected to it. i think its less than five -- less than .5% of the people have actually fought for us since 9/11. i certainly was blocked off and unaware even though i was covering the war from the comfort of the north lawn of the white house. it wasn't until this battle happened and got a hold of me that i wanted to find out what it was like and learned so much about what these people sacrificed and what their families sacrificed. >> when th i fort first startedg the book and you talked about
how tactually disadvantaged this outpost was, i thought why did they put it there? you said they were sitting ducks. >> they felt like sitting ducks. one of them said it was like going deer hunting except you were the deer. the reason that they put the outpost there is because the original plan in 2006 when they set up the outpost was to have it be a place where they could infiltrate insurge yebts coming from pac pakistan, and also they needed to have -- they needed to be near the road because at that point all the helicopters and moisture of the helicopters were in iraq. so to resupply the camp, this he needed to be near the road. in that part of afghanistan if you're near the road, you at the bottom of the mountain. >> in reading one o reading whe0 taliban struck, and i'm jumping towards the end of the book, the thing that bothered me the most is listening to what these guys were doing something to save each other.
they were doing buddy transfusions where they had to give blood to save one man's life. its gripping where they think he's going to make it and it was awful. >> i'm getting chills hearing about it. >> as i read this, what these guys dor for each other. >> all eight of the guys who died that day and the book starts in 2006 and talks about all the people who served and sacrificed on their way to setting up this outpost, living there, doing the mission. the october 3rd battle, you're referring to stephen mays. what the troops did to try to save him is incredible. in an outpost like this you don't have refrigeration so you don't have blood. in order to keep a guy like that alive because the med vacs couldn't come for 12 hours because the enemy fighting was so tough, they had to each one of them with the same blood type keep giving their blood to him. he ultimately made it out of the outpost alive but ultimately did not survive. all of the guys that died that day died because they were
trying to either fight the enemy or do something for one of their brothers. >> as i said when i read it, this is one of the most gripping books i've ever read in terms of making me like i was there and like i knew them. let me jump to another topic since you cover the white house. is it a big surprise to anybody that eric holder, the attorney general, is going to stay for another year? >> not a big surprise. one, a lot of big names have already tried to leave and said they're on their way out the door, soon. geithner, clinton, panetta, these are people headed out soon. president obama does not want, you know, all of his a-team, as it were, leaving. the second thing is even though many members of the cabinet don't necessarily understand it, eric holder is one of president obama's favorite cabinet officials. they're close personal friends, and whatever others think, president obama thinks eric holder has done a good job. >> is hillary clinton leaving on inauguration day? when is she leaving.
>> sooner rather than later. that's what i've been told. she might be the first one to leave. she's expected to leave quickly. >> let's get back to your book. the outpost is a tremendous book. like i said, i felt like i was there and i knew the guys. i think some people have a very different impression of what happened in afghanistan, and whether or not we should have been there, how long and everything else. anyway, jake, as always, thanks. >> thanks, greta. senator-elect ted cruz has a plan to help republicans reach hispanics. new information about the murders of nicole brown simpson and ron goldman. did a serialllllll
nice to see you, sir. >> greta, it's great to be with you. >> welcome to washington. are you ready? >> i hope so. we've got a lot to do. >> what's your dream list of things to do? >> look. i think we need to turn the country around. i mean, my dream list and my priorities are very simple. they're cutting spending and the debt, reforming regulations and fundamental tax reform, and all of those are focused at generating growth. we've got to get our economy going. we've got to get people back to work. >> everybody is fighting on capitocapitol hill. i don't know if you've noticed? >> i haven't seen that so far, but i think that is the world in which we live. >> every single person who i talk to in the house and the senate, republican or democrat, wants to make the country better, and whether it's, you know, cutting spending or doing something to entitlements or whatever wants to do it. for some reason, everyone hits the wall and fights. you're going to be in the minority party once you're sworn in. havhow are you going to do thatn
the minority. have you given that any thought? >> it's going to be very challenging. ideas matter. i agree with you. most of the people here are here for good reasons, they have good intentions but there are fundamentally different approaches to what direction our country should go in, and so for those democrats or even those republicans who think the answer should be more of the last four years, more and more spending, more anmore and more dent, mored more regulations, more and more taxes and many of them believe that as a heartfelt genuine belief, i think that's the wrong path. i think that's a dangerous path. i think that will hurt the country and hurt americans, and so even if they're fighting for it in good conscience, i will certainly do everything i can to stop us from going down that path because i don't think it works. >> take the budget. senator harry reid has not let a budget come to the floor. he's in the majority party. that's what he gets to do. you ma may want to have a budge. you may want the senate to come
up with a budget. how frustrated are you going to get? >> i think the senate has been really irresponsible in the last few years. as you know, we haven't had a budget in over three years. if the democrats want to pursue big government policy, they ought to g vote on it. go on record and say this is what we want to do, this is our budget. i do think the next couple of years are going to be challenging. they're going to be challenging because we've got a president who was reelected, we've got a democratic majority and harry reid back in power whose philosophies and ideas i think are contrary to great many americans. we're going to have a lot of gridlock, unfortunately. i hope i'm wrong. i will say this. if president obama actually means what he said on the campaign trail, if he really does want to bring people together, work to turn around our debt, to get people working again, i will happily work with him. i'll work with anybody. but if he an intends to double n on the path of the last four years, then i intend to do
everything i can to stop us from in the city,wn that road. immigration. president obama promised today get some immigration reform, gave a big speech at american university. went and listened to it. we didn't get immigration reform but he did better against governor romney. the republican party seems to get almost about 29% of the hispanic vote. what's the problem? why don't hispanics want to vote with your party? >> well, there's no doubt republicans, we've got to do a better job with the hispanic community. >> what does that mean? >> i think so far republicans have been lousy at communicating our ideas in the hispanic community. i think the irony is the values in the hispanic community are fundamentally conservative. >> that's what governor martinez said in her speech at the rnc, that she herself had been a democrat until she had lunch with a republican, and then she
said wow, i'm a republican. but the hispanics, they don't buy it. at least they didn't in the election. >> well, in this election they didn't because diments did a far better job communicating their message than we did, but you mentioned governor martinez and the national convention. the contrast of the republican and democrat conventions were striking. at the republican conventions there were four state wide elected officials or candidates who were hispanic. martinez, sandoval, both governors, and marco rubio and myself. the democrats had zero. i think the reason is there's a difference in how the parties approach hispanics. unfortunately, the democrats pidgeon hole candidates so they had mayors and members of congress, but they've got a real problem getting hispanics elected state wide. when you pidgeon hole a candidate, you're not able to have candidates that appeal broadly to americans not just to one ethnicity but to values that bring us a all together. that shows a lot of promise the
direction the republican party can go in the future. >> is it the i word, immigration? a lot of people vote for issues. a long time people voted on the issue of abortion or because it was a woman candidate or an african-american candidate. immigration has been so important to the hispanic community. do you think that's what drives the voter or drove the last one? if so, what would you like to see your party do on that. >> you know, i actually don't think it's immigration that's driving the vote. i think the democrats want immigration to drive the vote and they're using it as a wedge issue to try to scare the hispanic community. i think tone matters. i think republicans' tone on immigration needs to be improved, but i'll tell you. every poll i've ever seen of the hispanic community shows their number one issue is jobs and the economy, exactly like the rest of this country. what republicans didn't do a good job of is taking the message to the hispanic community. if you want opportunity, you know, under barack obama hispanic unemployment grew faster than employment
generally. over 10%. >> then how come he got more hispanic votes? is it really such a bad message delivery he service by governor romney or nobody didn' paid att? >> unfortunately, yes. we didn't make the argument to the hispanic community that the path to opportunity -- there are 2.3 million hispanics who are small business owners. nearly 1 in 10 hispanic households in the country is a small business owner. when my dad came 55 years ago from cuba, he washed dishes, making 50 cents an hour, couldn't speak english but he started a small business. what republicans should have been doing is far more effectively championing small businesses as the path to climbing the economic ladder. that has been the american dream, and we've got to be more effective carrying that message. >> all right. two part question. you'll be on some committees. which will be the most interesting intellectually for you and the most fun. wisconsin do you think you
should probably be on for your constituents back home? >> committees are ultimately a decision that's outside my hand. that is made by the leadership, so i'll leave those discussions internally rather than trying to lobby publicly. i can tell you this, though. my priorities will be the three i mentioned at the outset, cutting spending and the debt, regulatory reform and tax reform, and the reason for regular reform and tax reform is what is critical is growth. if you want to turn our economy around and get the 23 million people who are struggling to find jobs back to work, we've got to get economic growth back. my cingular focus every day in the u.s. senate is removing the barriers to small businesses to, entrepreneurs, creating jobs and growing the economy. i think regulatory reform and tax reform along with sound money are the most effective ways to enable small businesses to create jobs and grow our economy. >> well, we'll see if those committees that you get and we'll see what happens. welcome to washington. happy to have you.
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despite president obama's reelection, some say obama care is not a sure thing. the administration is depending heavily on the states to implement the new health care law. come january, republicans will hold 30 governorships, so what if the states just say no? what does it mean for the future of obama care? joining us is our political panel. >> i was in las vegas for the governors conference last week. it's as if a light bulb went off this their head. there's 30 of us. the majority of the states. obama care depends on the states to set up exchanges, but it also depends on the expansion of medicaid. if we say no to these things, obama care which was passed by congress, signed by the president and upheld by the supreme court, still might not happen, at least as it was designed without state cooperation. >> i'm just fascinated to see this now become a state
political issue because you've got 30 republican governors, and what is it, about 20 of them are up for reelection in two years? i mean, this conceivably will become an issue in some of these states, either the democratic challenger will challenge them on it or they'll run on the fact that they're not enforcing this law. i'm very curious to see how it will play out. maybe 2014 is too soon to really see what effect it will have on the elections, but do you feel differently? >> the law gives them the option not to set up an exchange. >> you're right. >> the supreme court decision allows them to get out of the medicaid pool. >> you're right on that. i think over time will a neighboring state that is enforcing the law somehow appear to be better off or worse and will that somehow factor into these races. >> i think what's interesting for republicans, this is a no lose proposition. you keep control of what's happening in your state, your bucking the obama administration. polls show it's more unpopular than popular. the quote unquote, good parts of
obama care are the things we've already seen, so the elements of obama care that were supposed to have political benefits are the things we've already seen. now we get to the difficult part where i think we're likely to see snags in creating writing the regulations, snags in implementing obama care sort of across the board. this is something i think republican governors are wyoming to take a big step and say i'm not into this. >> what if 30 states say no. is there any impact on them? >> they will have their exchanges, and we'll see how it works in the states because these governors believe a, it's going to cost them a whole lot of money. b, if they set up the exchange themselves, the federal government is still going to be in ultimate control. and c, you're right. they think it might well fail. if it does, they want to see all of the blame go to the federal government and not state governments that might have invested in them. >> why not say no if there's a federal exchange anyway for all the states so you don't have the burden of the administrative part of it? >> well, that's what they're
gambling, right? >> what do the other 20 get out of it who say yes? >> the idea is that the state will have more control, but the governors feel on things like what is a qualified health plan, what can be sold on the exchange, all of that stuff will be tightly controlled by the government. they don't see a lot of advantage. >> they've got experience. there's so many other programs that began at the federal government where states are involved and they lose control because the federal government comes in and makes them kind of a power grab. the states are left paying for it and the federal government in effect controls or largely controls the programs. >> the cost of medicare is shared between the states was ad the federal government. obama care says okay, you have to have more people on medicare, but don't worry, we'll pay for 100% of it. >> not for a couple years. >> exactly. then we'll pay for it 90% afterwards. i asked all the governors do you believe that deal, and they said no. >> i don't think anyone believes that. even when the federal government says that, i don't think anyone believes that. we'll take a quick break. straight ahead, house republicans insisting ambassador
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next secretary of state. today nearly 100 representatives writing a letter to president obama that says ambassador rice rice's misleading statements about the benghazi attack caused irreperable damage to her credibility at home and around the world. the senate votes on the nomination. ed, is she going to be nominated, do you think, by the president? >> you know, there have been some suggestions that democratic and republican senators have told the white house don't try this one, but that was right before that press conference last week where he made that emphatic defense of her. he backed himself into a corner at this point. some have suggested he floated her name so that she had the sort of honor or the ability to say well with, my name was floated to be secretary of state and they knew it was a fool's error and eventually he would nominate kerry anyway. i think, you know, this is broken down along predictable lines. mccain and graham said we don't
think she's qualified. we don't like her. we don't want her for the job and democrats said you're smearing this woman for no good reason, you know. she's qualified for this job. but you know, there are people here in washington and up in new york who followed her ambassadorship who said she is not the best person for this job, that she has been rude. she has been undiplomatic. >> she's accused of giving the bird to richard holbrook in a meeting. >> that's not disqualifying. it makes it more interesting. she may be disqualified on other grounds, but she's not going to play nice necessarily like many other cabinet secretaries do and like they're kind of expected to do with congress. >> well, i mean, if she were nominated, there's going to be a serious continuing investigation about this because we still don't know what happened. i mean, we've not gotten the explanation from her about these talking points. we have some really tantalizing information from the cia that came out in the hearings or the closed testimony, and so this is
going to be an actual fact finding investigation, masquerading as coon firmation hearing. >> what a great question. did you talk to the president between september 11th and september 16th before she went on tv. >> one of many great questions. there's a charitable view of why she was put out on september 16th. that rue is it was basically a tryout as secretary of state to see if she could handle it. on that front, she failed. the less charitable view is the one the president articulated is we said somebody out who had nothing to do with benghazi. >> we sent outry bot to deliver the -- out a robot to deliver the message. they're major strikes against her. >> here's how the president saves face. he's now out in the pacific with hillary clinton. they come down the steps of air force one together. he talks her into staying another year like eric holder. >> she's exhausted. >> i didn't say she was exhausted. >> she could stay home for a while. >> she's got another campaign to
start. >> if he wants to go easy, you nominate john kerry and he gets them in a slam dunk. if he wants to pick a fight, he goes with susan rice. >> i realize it's a democrat from massachusetts. >> he runs the risk of scott brown winning again. the numbers are there. >> it would not be an enormous loss of face not to nominate her, to nominate john kerry instead. >> the plot thickens and we shall see. thank you, panel. coming up on last call, comi can relief on president obama's asia trip thanks to a fox news correspondent. that's next.
>> greta: 11:00 is almost here flash studio lights it's time for last call. democratic senator wend yol goalar is traveling in asia tonight. he is right in the line of fire of a water fountain. and having fun with it. >> quickly filling with water, be careful, thank you. >> check out this slow mo-replay of the incident. sorry. just couldn't resist. that is your last call. lights are blinking and we're closing down shop. thank you for being with us tonight. make sure you go to gretawire.com let us know what you thought about tonight's show. stay right here on fox news