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>> steve: geraldo, ingrid hoffman and nicole petallides with your monthly unemployment number. after the show show, he'll balance our checkbook. fantastic! >> gretchen: have a great day. bill: good morning everyone. want to start with this fox news alert because there are fresh signals our economy is slowing down. weekly jobless claims just out, jumping to a four-month high. 385,000 americans filing in the last week alone. that is not the arrow you want to see. wrong direction. good morning, everybody, i'm bill hemmer. welcome to "america's newsroom." we'll find out whether this is one month deal or one-we can deal. martha: good morning, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. weekly unemployment claims up three straight weeks after they hit the lowest level way back in 2008. bill: the news comes only aa day before the march unemployment report that comes tomorrow. stuart varney, anchor fox
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business network. first the news today, what do you see happening here? >> each of the last three years we hope the recovery, the recovery will finally start and have real steam to it. in each the last three years the hopes have been dashed and same again now. 385,000 people applying for first-time jobless benefits is far too high. that is huge jump from the past couple weeks, bill. bill: three weeks in a row the numbers have bonn up. we've seen this pattern at the begin of each year for three years in a row? >> yes. for three years, there have been hopes that finally, we would have a robust recovery. and each time, the number of people being laid off as opposed to hired but the layoff rate, that's what this number measures, its layoff rate, it popped back up again. for each of the last three years, hope springs eternal, hopes dashed by a divorcening of the labor market situation. bill: do any job cuts have to do with the sequester,
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stuart? >> no they don't. there are no seasonal factors. there is no sequester. it is weakness in the underlying economy. bill: if the weakness continues the feds printing money? >> that is the subheadline, bill, yes. as long as you have a weak economy and in particular a weak employment situation, ben bernanke keeps rolling with the printing presses no doubt about it. bill: this has gone on for some time. how do we break out of this cycle? how do we break out of that? >> that is the key question. he printed literally trillions of dollars. when he stops, what happens? any hint that he is going to stop, what happens? i tell you what, the stock market goes down. today with the suggestion that he will keep on printing because the enemployment situation is so weak the stock market should hold up. bill: we'll see that at 9:30. that is coming up in 28 minutes. before we go there what happens to inflation? for the moment it is rather tame? you could make that argument. >> the prediction is always when you print up a storm,
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eventually you get inflation. so far we've not seen that inflation but i got to remind you, bill, gasoline price, energy prices, food prices, are all up. so we are seeing some impact from all this money printing. bill: that is you try. a lot to talk about at 9:20. leading our coverage here. checking out fox business network. martha. martha: let's put all this in a bit of perspective for you. in the december of 2007, the beginning of this chart, weekly jobless claims stayed above the 300,000 level. they spiked in 2009, that was the worst of the worst right there. this week we have 85,000 at the end of this chart -- 385,000. we've been hovering along this line in the middle here we had a little bit of a spike the last few weeks coming back up to 385,000. economists say the weekly claims numbers in order to be in a healthy economy they have to fall consistently below the 375,000 mark that is shown by this yellow line. we want to get nicely below
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that yellow line into a real job creation environment in this country. so far this year we've been averaging more than that. so that's really what we want to keep in perspective here. that's the worst of it, but the last several years as you can see we really haven't made a whole lot of progress getting back to where we want to be. bill: just listen to stuart there. martha: yeah. bill: you wonder if it is a one-time deal or whether this is a new pattern that will start putting us back in the hole we climbed out of? right now we don't know. martha: great engines for growth in terms of new business in the economy. you have a lot of businesses very concerned what will be coming down the pipeline with health care. so the jobs picture is tough, very tough, remains so. bill: that is our lead story this morning. much more coming up when charles payne joins us. martha: a disturbing situation we're following here. texas may have to beef up security for prosecutors fighting against the state's
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violent criminals. people are searches for suspects in the murder of kaufman county district attorney mike mclelland and his wife cynthia. dan springer is streaming live from kaufman, texas. dan, we here there has been a threat to another official in that area. >> reporter: well, that's right, martha and every throat or perceived threat in this environment will be taken seriously. 56-year-old knicks morel was arrested on tuesday after allege he had making a phone call to a crimestoppers tip line that another public official would be next. he tried to block his number but they got around that and found him. he is charged with making a terrorist threat. in the early '90s he had conviction for unlawfully carrying a weapon and writing a bad check. this is important. police have not connected him to the murders. >> at this time there is nothing to link mr. morel to
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the murders of mike and cynthia mclittle land or mark hasse. >> reporter: we're learning more about the murder of mark hasse from a witness who emerged. the killer emerged with a revolver shooting hasse in the back of the head several times. he set off in a silver sedan with no front or back license flights. that tells professional investigators, that this is no professional hit. driving a license plate not in the front or back that is easy way to. that is mcvay got caught after the oklahoma city bombing. martha: to figure out any links in the evidence in these two cases that will point them in the direction what kind of killer this was and what the motive could have been. we know sadly the memorial service will be underway for mike and cynthia mclelland who were much-loved in that community, dan. >> reporter: that will take place at 1:00 today, not
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here in kaufman but outside the city where mclelland's lived. we understand that will take place at a very large venue. so prosecutors and law enforcement from all over the country, in fact beyond the country will be there. also we're expecting rick perry, the governor of texas to be there. before that he will be here in kaufman county at the courthouse at 11:00 with a news conference where we are expecting he will be announcing a large reward. also there will be a private burial ceremony for the mclellands on friday. they had five children. in fact one of them was a police officer who works in dallas. back to you, martha. martha: awful story. dan, thank you very much. bill: same part of that country now, another manhunt outside of dallas. this is hopkins county. now the sheriff searching for two escaped prisoners in that county, a murder suspect and a convicted drug offender breaking out of jail on tuesday. searchers say they have dogs in the woods trying to pick up a trail.
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>> we have boots on the ground and we also have had some k-9 units that were trying to help pick up a scent to help with the search. as far as the range of the search area and all that we don't have any of those details at this time. bill: well now the search is turning to a missing black 2010 saturn vu. sheriff's officials think the men may be armed as well. that is east of dallas. martha: then there is this story from west virgina where ming go county sheriff, eugene crumb was shot point-blank and killed outside a courthouse. crumb had a reputation for cracking down on drug dealers. a witness saw the cold-blooded killing when it happened. watch. >> that man come out of the truck, and the guy shot him. he emptied his gun. >> he is always been a person that wants things to be done right.
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he was, he was a great brother-in-law, good to his family, good to his kids. you couldn't ask for a better brother-in-law. martha: what a huge loss in a similar situation. the suspected shooter in this case is 36-year-old tenis maynard. they shot nim in a shootout as he tried to escape the scene. may in order -- maynard is now in custody. >> too many of those stories. more trouble for a cruise ship. a witness at a shipyard in alabama saw hurricane force wind blow the carnival triumph from its moorings. >> it was crazy, it happened fun. first reaction it was to run. i see it wasn't going to hit where we were at so i wanted to watch then. two of them broke real fast. the rest of them it just snap, snap, one after another. it was kind of slow. the last one broke it looked like somebody was driving the boat. hit the other vessel and the
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other vessel went way over other side and come back. the back of it hit and it pinned the tugboat in between it. bill: this morning there is a search on for a missing dock worker who was apparently blown into the water as that man describes it. the triumph is the same ship that suffered a breakdown back in february, drifting for days off the mexican shoreline. it was in mobile, alabama, for repairs. it suffered more damage before the tugboats managed to secure it there. that boat is cursed. martha: yeah. defeat. more like a better name for that carnival cruise ship. this is a worse situation. we hope they find that dock worker. we'll try to figure out what is going on there. all right. calling all navigate force, -- navigators, not star-gazers. how they will help the navigators in the new law. what do you get paid to be a health care navigator? check that out. plus this. >> have nuclear capacity now.
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martha: well the fbi is sending agents to fort knox in kentucky after a army civilian employee was shot and killed in their parking lot. feels like we're doing a
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story like this all the time. the unidentified shooter in this case is still at large. a spokes man for the independent army vect tiff agency saying quote, special agents from the criminal command are investigating a personal incident, not a random act of violence. appears from that these people knew each other and they're looking into that. they remain on a heightened state of alert. we'll let you know more when we get it. bill: president obama likes to say he is reaching across the aisle, working with republicans but he just told a group of donors it would be a whole lot easier to govern if nancy pelosi was speaker again. the president making remarks at a fund-raiser in san francisco. only print media allowed, doug schoen former advisor to bill clinton ton was not there and monica crowley, radio talk show host and fox news contributor. they're reading about it. it would be a whole lot easier to govern? >> what is the problem with the pesky constitution with
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coequal branches of government, right? bill: working for today. need 17 seats to get it. what do you make of what he said? >> obama is totally focused on 2014 instead of governing although trying to govern somewhat through executive actions to get around this congress but he is totally focuses on next year, he would love the same wide open political field in his last two years that he had in his first two years when robh devastation from trillion of dollars blown on so-called stimulus and pushing through socialized medicine. he would love to enjoy that in last two years where do other things like ramming through immigration reform of the kind he would like. pushing through more green energy boondoggles and of course higher taxes. bill: let me get to that in a second here. but, doug, as a political strategist and consultant as you look at the landscape now, this is an election that is a year and a half away. >> right. bill: based on what you know today, based on the direction the country is in at the moment can they win
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majority of the house back? >> you know, at the start of the year i think the answer was a qualified yes. since the start of the year and since the sequester, the president's numbers have gone down which is, why he is reached out to republicans, the dinner a week or so ago and another one next week with senators. the problem he faces is unless he appears to be bipartisan, the polarization and partisanship that monica spoke of will hurt him because nothing is getting done. at the same time, with him, i think needing 17 seats it turn it around, bottom line he sees victory in his grasp and his greatest asset, i think monica might even agree with me on this, the republican brand is so damaged that even though the president's numbers are falling, republicans are arguably falling even quicker. bill: i take your answer as yes maybe. >> maybe, yes. bill: yes, maybe, monica? 50/50, more or less than that. >> it is not impossible as doug points out. he needs to win back 17
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seats to pick up majority in the house but again not impossible but seems like a rather steep climb. this is why it is not in his interests to work any kind of deal, whether on immigration or anything else with republicans because he has an incentive to continue demonizing the other side. he wants to mobilize his voters next year to come out. minority voters, latinos. bill: that's not what he said though. my intention to get as much done with republicans over the next two years as i can. >> sure. bill: because we can't have period of time pet wall campaigning. monica, you put the key on it. i want doug to answer this, okay? >> sure. bill: what would a democratic majority in both houses look like in 2014? what would the country get with that? >> i think you would get, i don't go as far as monica goes but i think you get a higher level of social spending, a less willingness than the republicans have to reform entitlements. higher taxes through probably greater taxes on the rich. obama doesn't appear
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inclined to buy the bowles-simpson model for the budget which is reforming the tax questioned and cutting defense and entitlements. bill: as a democrat, are you okay with that, doug? >> i'm not okay. i'm a century. democrat. i want more entitlements than monica would want, that's for sure, but i don't think what the president is proposing is practical. i think we need bipartisanship. hopefully we'll all be wrong and what he is doing with the republicans will bear fruit before the summer and the debt ceiling. bill: monica, give you the last word here, in 15 seconds what scares you the most? >> i agree, bipartisanship is old school thought according to this president. he never reached out to republicans. he never worked with them. give you a quick example in last couple months on the sequester. republicans said okay, let's work with the president on this because these cuts are arbitrary and across the board. let's make an approach that will work for all of us that are more rational, thoughtful cuts. so the republican house passed not one but two bills to carry out the cuts in a
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more responsible way. bill: nancy pelosi just this week said -- >> they wouldn't take it up. bill: endless courtesy. a bunch of people who do not share that commitment to civility? >> that is all projection, bill. called projection. >> republicans doesn't have again today of their own. until they have that they are mo mortal peril. >> i disagree, doug. it is paul ryan budget. >> that will defeat them, monica. it will just defeat them. bill: to be continued. >> always. bill: deal? >> deal. bill: thanks. >> thanks, bill. bill: all right. martha: president obama's health care lou is creating a new profession and the pay looks like it will be pretty good. so what these so-called navigators will do with the health care law. will it help you and how much it could cost to pay for these folks. bill: this is a bad parking spot here. new video of an suv that plummeted 50 feet off a bridge. why police say the driver should have never been behind the wheel in the first place. >> how could this have happened? >> that is something that is it still under investigation
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right now. it a peers that the vehicle drove through the guardrail forward and fell off the bridge.
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bill: this is a rough day. an suv crashing through a guard rail off a bridge and landing 50 feet below. happened near atlanta centennial park. that is right downtown. police say the driver suffered a medical emergency when this happened. >> to go through the railing and then just become airborne and land on the wall and everybody lives? i'm like, oh, wow. >> when it vehicle crashed down it took out part of the wrought iron fence and landed on cement wall. emergency crews cut out the passenger from the front seat. bill: that thing is trashed. all three people in the suv said to be in stable condition. they are lucky after seeing that. police cited the driver for
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not having a license. martha: problems. president obama's health care law could be creating a whole new profession out there. these folks will be called, navigators, to help people with the health care law. so potentially tens of thousands of them could be paid up to $48 an hour in terms of the job description here. you get 20 to $48 an hour. that is more than six times the federal minimum wage of $7.25. the minimum hourly pay for these navigatetores would be $20. that comes out $100,000 a year if you're at the upper end of this job, if you're a navigate tore. i will tell what you that is in second. here is fox business network's charles payne. >> hey. martha: once it is described you will love what is in it, if you don't speak the language and need somebody to explain the law to you, then you are entitled to have a translator, a
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navigatetor who can orally interpret the law for you. those folks will get paid quite well. >> quite well. that is just one of the jobs. people come in, and you can speak english and help you figure it out. they will help you navigate your obamacare options. there are so many different subplots and narratives. $48 an hour for this type of job, essentially, supervisory stuff, not the kind of thing you could command in the private sector. goes along the lines so-called economic justice or that kind of narrative that sort of underneath the scenes of everything. here's an interesting thing though. these are federal guidelines and when you go through the individual health insurance exchanges a lot of even conflict of interest stuff is thrown out the window or it is optional. for the most part you will see union workers with these jobs. you will see planned parenthood, acorn, these types of organizations will probably get these jobs. martha: go back to what you said before why you think this represents an attempt
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at economic justice? >> essentially what you're saying, is, listen, people out there who either aren't working or working but not making a lot of money because the scales of america are so imbalanced, if somebody on wall street is making x-amount of money, certainly, certainly someone helping to interpret the obamacare rules in a different language deserves $100,000 a year. martha: in terms of numbers of people who could apply for these jobs, we're getting a sense of what it could look like because california has said, well, we need about 21,000 of these navigators to help our californians understand this law. >> right. i mean, we're essentially talking about an army, a de facto army, and a registration army because toward the end of the whole process they also say, listen, by the way, you can register to vote. now, again, you know, supposedly it will be impartial but, again, if you have someone saying president obama provided you with free health care.
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i'm here translating it in your language and we want you to register to vote, which party would you like to vote for? sign on the bottom line. that is pretty powerful stuff. this will be huge. listen the president won reheck shun. i guess these are the spoils that come along with it. this is why so many people in the country are disenchanted with the whole process. obamacare is crushing small business, innovators, small businesses opportunities for so many americans and then you carve out this kind of stuff for unions, acorn, planned parenthood, it's so disappointing to be quite frank with you. you know what? translating the obamacare into different languages or even for natives who don't understand the language well, that is admirable put to do it with such egregious level is really worrisome. of course the voter registration part is just out and out, that's, pretty transparent. martha: very interesting. a lot to think about based on that. charles, thank you very much. >> thanks a lot. you too. bill: i need a navigator.
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martha: we all need a navigator, right? bill: call on charles, right, martha? martha: he is our personal navigator. bill: the tough i've gun law to being signed in just hours leaving many to ask, what is being done about mental health issues connected to a number of recent deadly shootings? we'll look at that. two minutes away here on "america's newsroom.".
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martha: this is a very big story today because connecticut is on the verge of passing the nation's toughest gun control law today. the state of course is still healing from the awful sandy hook elementary school tragedy that killed 20 young children and six adults in december. but some lawmakers are saying this law does not fully address the issues that were at play at sandy hook including the extensive mental health issues that might have prevented this tragedy that happened in newtown. so i want to be, want to welcome dr. paul hochmire psychologist and family therapist. doctor, thank you very much for being here today. i want to start by playing a sound bite by president obama in the awful days after what happened at newtown. this is what he promised to take on. let's listen to this. >> in the coming weeks i will use whatever power this
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office holds to engage my fellow citizens from law enforcement to mental health professionals to parents and educators, in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. because what choice do we have? martha: mental health professionals of which you are one. how do you feel in terms of how much mental health professionals have been brought into this conversation and truly preventing another one of these incidents? >> i think it has not gone far enough. that we need to go a lot further. if we look at the numbers, we see the connection between gun violence and mental health issues is 63% of the incarcerated males there for gun violence have either substance abuse disorder or mental health issues. so the connection is profound. we need to do a much better job looking at those issues. martha: let's look at a poll that shows what people blame essentially for what happened. and what kind of proposals
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they favor to prevent it again. 85% say, yes, they agree with universal background checks. 72% say, let's require mental health checks. not something we're hearing details of though because it is very difficult territory. how do you decide if somebody shouldn't have a gun, or if someone who has a family member at home like adam lanza, because we know, let's pull up this screen, when you look, lochner, lanza, holmes, all the horrific cases everyone of these people had run-ins and interactions with mental health professions a but it didn't help. >> right. this brings to the fore! the issue of family therapy. i believe we have the right to bear arms and i think the analysis has to start in the families that our families have to pay attention to what's happening in them and be looking for signs of mental illness, substance abuse disorders and that is where the analysis needs to start. martha: some families feel like they have nowhere to
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turn. i read accounts and witnesses and friends of adam lanza, she said she knew he was dangerous. there is very little recourse for somebody who knows they are living with a dangerous child. nothing more heart breaking who is hearing a from a mother who says my child is potentially dangerous. they have nowhere to go. you can't institutionalize a child who never committed a crime before. >> that is exactly right. you can pay attention to what is happening and you can reach out. we're looking at a three-pronged approach. we need to look at families. then i think we need to look at communities. then we need to look at legislature. we need to do a better job working together to do this. i think the connecticut law is very important because it shows a bipartisanship, that we have democrats and republicans have come together to create a law that is effective and i think responds to the tragedy. martha: on the gun part but what is it really doing in terms of mental health? >> well, recognizing those issues exist and the law does contain a provision that brings it to the fore, we're having these
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conversations about it and figuring out as smart, compassionate people how to solve these problems. martha: i fear that the gun issue gets so much more attention than this other part of it, that clearly is an essential component, don't you think? so what, these people would not have carried out these crimes if they did not have a mental health imbalance. >> absolutely. i agree with you. martha: thank you very much. good to have you here today. a big problem we hope to continually bring attention to it. we'll keep it in the forefront. good to see you. bill: 22 minutes before the hour. there is a new strain of bird flu raising serious concerns and the cdc says it is keeping an eye on this virus as the first deaths have been reported. jonathan serrie is live on the story in atlanta. what are they finding, jonathan? >> reporter: good morning, bill, this is a new strain of h 7 n 9. this virus was previously detected in birds but never-before-seen in human beings. chinese health authorities have now confirmed nine human cases of h7n9 in that
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country. empatients developed severe respiratory infections and three of those patients have died, bill. bill: jonathan, you are down there and speak with people it the cdc every day. are they seeing something new in this that is bringing it to a higher level or seeing some of this before? >> reporter: they're always interested whenever they see a new strain because that's their job, 24/7 monitor these types of emerging infections. while it appears the virus can spread pro birds to humans, it does not appear to spread easily from human-to-human. for some perspective, hear straight from the cdc. >> any precautions because i remind folks while cases have been seen of human infections with this virus in china, we haven't seen any cases in the united states or up deed in any country outside china so far. >> reporter: but the doctor says whenever a new
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influenza virus emerges researchers begin a process toward developing a vaccine. they want to be prepared in case it mutates into a virus that can spread from person-to-person. so far there are no confirmed cases of human-to-human transmission, bill. >> all good stuff to know. jonathan serrie on that story out of atlanta. thank you, sir. martha. martha: another flashpoint in north korea. north korea is moving some missiles that have long range capacity. the u.s. is rushing sophisticated missile defense systems to try to block them. we'll get reaction from ambassador john bolton. bill: he has a lot to say about it too. the final frontier a little less mysterious today. that old big secret that seems to be finally unlocked. ♪ . i'm over the hill.
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martha: images jugs coming in to us from south miami-dade, florida. it is a single-engine cessna 152. it declared an emergency. it landed eight miles southwest of tamiami road. bill: tamiami. martha: there you to. two people on board. no injuries. they obviously had mechanical trouble. put it down in a place that allowed them to walk away from it. that is good news. anymore on that we'll let you know. bill: honey, two for the dirt rode over there. martha: there you go. bill: the u.s. ramping up its defenses in the pacific in response to dangerous threats coming out of north korea. the pentagon sending an advance missile defense system to the pacific island of guam, two years ahead of schedule. john bolton, former ambassador to the u.n. back with us. fox news contributor. sir, good morning to you.
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>> good morning. bill: i have a lot to go through here. yesterday you said the nor koreans, even for them are acting outside their normal play being book. what do i mean by that, sir? >> their rhetoric is much more belligerent. they used up phrases they have used before. they gone beyond that. they cut off supply lines to south korea. cutting people from the industrial park now and moving missiles inside north korea which show something else is going on here. not that i think there is a threat to the united states at this point. i don't think they're capable of that but it is a complicated neighborhood over there. you have south korea and japan also concerned. our troops in both countries and on dpaum. so, give the nature of this regime, which is not national in our terms, it is definitely worth being concerned about. bill: three more headlines here. a gentleman of the north korean army apparently said this today. the moment of explosion is
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approaching fast. how do you interpret that? >> well, i think this is an example of rhetoric that's beyond their normal playbook and whether they're trying to provoke something, whether they're trying to make a point, all of this is very hard to read in a regime that is not transparent to say the least and doesn't think along the same lines we do. what the north koreans are trying to get from the united states is acknowledgement they are a nuclear weapons state. they see a weak white house, a weak president. they think they can push him into it. this is the kind of environment where a miscalculation can take place on their side or on our side. bill: let me show our viewers a bit of the area north and south korea. we talked about this for a while. just to refresh the geography. it would appear, that japan, just based on its location, would be under a much greater threat if it were to launch some sort of missile, i think you would agree to that, mr. ambassador. guam is down here but still well within the target range. there is report that
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north korea could launch a mobile ballistic missile in coming days or weeks. that came out 90 minutes ago. what does that mean? >> well i think this shows that the north koreans are thinking about how to influence south korea, japan and the united states. they don't have to drop a missile on guam. what if they just dropped one near guam? 15 years ago they put a taepo dong ballistic missile into the pacific east of japan which cleared everyone in japan meant they could put one somewhere on the islands themselves. i don't think they're foolish enough to actually attack tokyo. how about if they put a missile 100 miles east of tokyo? this is the kind of thinking they're going through. one reason we need the missile defenses is their accuracy in north korea isn't that great. they may aim east of tokyo and they miss and hit tokyo. that why this is a troubling situation. bill: what you're arguing is even to launch one, even if it lands in the sea somewhere would be enough to
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provoke, perhaps a reaction from us? >> well, or from south korea or even japan. let's not forget, we're not the only player on our side of the equation and in the past couple years the north koreans have sunk a south korean corvette. they shelled innocent south korean civilians. in neither case did south korea retaliate. we have a new president there now. public opinion polls show the south koreans are not happy about these kinds of threats and we ourselves and i think correctly, have put the south koreans more forward in terms of determining what a military response would be to this kind of provocation. bill: that is interesting. >> so i think it's a mistake to think all is came out there. bill: we have sent, what, b-2 stealth bomber flew a week ago. it is back in the state of missouri. stealth f-22 fighters deployed for the military exercise in south korea. the uss mccain which is destroyer and decatur which is a destroyer also.
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what do you think of our reaction and approach during all of this? >> i think it is basically appropriate. you need to show some strength. i think the administration hat not been strong enough to be sure yet we have news reports today, administration thinks it was too strong and dial it back a little bit. there may be one american response worse than a weak response, that is hesitant, inconsistent contradictory response. i'm afraid that's what we're beginning to the if from the white house. that will simply encourage the north koreans. bill: one more thing. i've got about 30 seconds for this. i mentioned a missile defense system being deployed in guam two years ahead of schedule. is this administration now rethinking its whole strategy on missile defense when you go back four years when the system in poland was basically ended? >> well, i wish it were true. it should be true. i don't think it is true. they fundamentally don't believe in national missile defense because they think it is destablizing but it is a good opportunity to have debate in congress on why we need it. bill: thank you, john
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bolton. mr. ambassador, appreciate your time. >> thank you, bill. bill: we'll watch this. here's martha what is coming up next. >> all right. so here's a question this morning. are supporters losing faith in president obama's health care law and the way that it's being carried out? some stunning new criticism from a formerly supportive, very popular columnist who is now saying that the administration has been incompetent on carrying out this plan. bill: also take a close look here. this is a school taking down a picture of jesus. it has been hanging there on the wall since harry truman was in the white house. why the administrators say that decision to remove it was strictly based on money. >> it is still violating the united states constitution and must be removed immediately!. [shouting] [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've been buying ragu for years. [ thinking ] i wonderhat other questionable choices i've made?
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martha: we're learning about a brand new cool discovery that could unlock some of the secrets of that outer outer space area we don't know so much about. scientists think they may have identified a new particle that may be the building block of dark matter. dark matter is that mysterious deep, dark substance out there believed to make up 25% of the universe. a lot of it, okay? so this discovery was made with a $2 billion particle physics detector. bet you have one of those at home. it was mounted to the international space station. clara is assistant managing editor. she grew up loving space and learning all about it. studied it in college as well and now the assistant managing editor at welcome, clara. good to have you here today.
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>> thank you. martha: so what is dark matter and why do we care if we figure out what it is? >> dark matter nobody knows. that's why it is cool. it's actually probably flying through this room at this very moment. flying through our body but just passing in between spaces in@toms, not even hitting us. it is this big mystery. we think it makes up 25% of the universe but we really don't know what it is. scientists think this is one of the most fundamental mysteries of our universe and they want to get to the bottom of it. martha: what is this particle, this $2 billion particle detector? it detected something as my unscientific mind has gleanedded might be bounces off of dark matter. >> what it detected are anti-matter particles called possy trons. they think that positrons are bump into each other that create electrons and positrons, these
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anti-matters part cycles. martha: we think they might have found it? >> they found the positrons but they don't know that dark matter created them. they think might have been something mundane like pulsars might have created them. martha: back to the larger question, if indeed we figure out what it is what kind of new thing does the lock in our understanding? >> it helps explain you who the universe came together, what it is made of, the building blocks of it and really how our solar system, our galaxy works. it helps the whole underlying nature, you know. we just finally understand what we're made of. martha: fascinating. clara, thank you so much. dark matter, $2 billion, that's a lot of money. >> yeah, yeah. martha: pretty cool detector? >> it is a giant magnet attached to the outside of the international space station they flew up on the space shuttle a couple years ago and it is looking for particles in space now. martha: before i let you go, how much is the fact that we
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don't have the space shuttle anymore impede this research? >> this research is ongoing. the space station will carry on. we fly astronauts up there on russian rockets and you know, america's working on a replacement for the shuttle. so it's tough that we can't carry up these things like the space shuttle used to but i think we're still moving forward. martha: getting there one way or another. >> exactly. martha: clara, thank you so much. bill: now we know. martha: sounds like "star wars". bill: there are new developments after the murder of a top law enforcement official. this morning a new manhunt has been launched. who they are looking for today in that case. martha: plus, not what you need when the pentagon is facing a budget crisis. a $300 million loss.
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clements was murdered in the doorway of his home. the authorities say that the men are members of a violent white supremacist gang and they are armed and dangerous and may have had contact with the man they believed pulled the trigger. that is how we welcome you. boy, we had a lot of those kind of stories lately back in "america's newsroom" for an hour two. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. texas police say the men are not being called suspects at the moment but they are members of the same gang that suspected gunman evan ebel had belonged to. martha: alicia acuna joins us live from denver. what is law enforcement saying about this, alicia? >> reporter: mart that, the el paso county sheriff's department the lead investigating agency into the murder of tom clements say these are known associates of a 211 crew, a white supremacist prison gang. thomas goulee and james lore
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who we have no photo yet can not be found. their names surfaced during the clements investigation. according to el paso county they put out this alert to all law enforcement. >> requesting all law enforcement age is look out for the follow parties. known associates of the 211 crew have shown violent tendencies and considered armed and dangerous. >> reporter: investigators want to talk to them because they were thought to be in contact with he have have been ebel in the days before the murders in colorado. now police are saying right now that they could be anywhere, specifically in nevada or texas. martha? martha: they want to find them. so we have this threatening letter also we learned about that ebel wrote while he was in prison. he talks in it about killing prison guards, right? >> reporter: that's right. this is a letter that the department of corrections confiscated from evan ebel back in 2006. it is something that he wrote to a friend named shauna, which he complains
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about the way that the guards were treating him in prison. he writes, quote, i just fantasize about catching them out on the bricks and subjecting them to vicious torture and eventual murder. that seems to get me through the days with a good degree of my sanity remaining intact. the letter was entered as evidence at a sentencing hearing after ebel was con in haved of punching a guard in the face. he was supposed to serve an extra four years but was released early due to what was being called, a clerical error. martha: what a story. alicia. thank you very much. bill: been watching this for a while now. timeline of clements murder. evan ebel released from prison january 28th of this year. then on march 17th police believe ebel kills an ibm worker moonlighting as a pizza delivery driver and steals his car. two days later, prison chief tom clements gunned down after answering the front door of his home. march 21st, ebel dice after
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a shootout with texas police after a high speed chase in the stat, leaving two victims dead apparently from a clerical error. martha: president obama's trip to denver is being called quote, a slap in the face by a group of sheriffs in colorado. more than a dozen sheriffs yesterday denounced the state's new strict gun control laws as unconstitutional. >> this is about criminalizing law-abiding citizens. these laws will have no deterrent effect whatsoever on the tragedy that occurred in aurora. it had no effect on the tragedy that occurred in my own county, just two weeks ago. or the pizza delivery individual up in denver. martha: so that state now bans the sale of high-capacity mag seeps and requires background checks for all gun sales. it is one of the toughest gun laws that we've seen enacted in the aftermath of all of this in the whole country. bill: fox news alert now on the economy. weekly unemployment
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applications jumping now to a four-month high. that means 385,000 americans filing for first-time benefits in the last week alone. that is up now three weeks in a row. this news as a brand new study shows 60% of jobs lost during the great recession were middle class jobs. peter doocy is on that live in washington. peter, good morning. those middle class jobs, are they coming back or not? >> reporter: bill, those mid-wage occupations have only made up a fraction, 22% of recovery growth but 58% has been with lower wage jobs. if you add up all the jobs have come back in food services and retail and ememployment services, you get 1.7 million jobs. that is where 43% of net employment growth during the recovery has been. that is according to the national employment law project. you look at the largest percentage growth in those fields over the last 10 full years, there are 47.2% more food prep workers now than there were in 2002.
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24% more customer service reps. almost 18 percent more registered nurses. 16% more secretaries and 12% more waiters. there are more folks working retail counters and earning more paychecks as janitors. most of the higher paying fields are not growing or haven't made up all the losses they saw during the recession. bill: who is filling these lower-wage jobs, peter? >> reporter: bill a lot of people with four-year college degrees. >> college grads, grads of all kind, are facing stiff competition from not only older workers but from people who have come out over the last several years in very tough job markets, and they're clogging up the space. so college grads, a lot of them are coming out having to take jobs just to make sure they can make ends meet. >> reporter: john challenger also told me it looks a lot better for a college grad to work a low wage job for a
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while than it does to have a big hole on a resume'. but when people with advanced degrees working as waiters in retail, those people without an education who would normally fill those jobs are left unemployed, bill. bill: interesting, peter. thank you. changing face. a bit later in our program we'll talk to fox business network's liz claman. she is here to talk about what the recent jobs report means for the economy and for your family and which direction we are headed. lizzie is coming up. martha: up at 10:40. from the white house a bit of news. president obama says he will send 5% of his paycheck back the to treasury department the white house says he will return $20,000. he makes 400,000 a year of his salary. that is a sign from the white house of solidarity with federal workers who have been affected, she said by the sequester. last month the, you may remember, lindsey graham, senator lindsey graham urged his colleagues to donate 20% of their take-home pay while the cuts are in effect but
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only a few took him up on it, surprise, surprise. bill: shocker. martha: he did it. bill: should we give back some of our --. martha: we don't work for the federal government. we're not being paid by the taxpayer. bill: i'm not giving back my money. i don't think you are either. we're getting new reports that former enron ceo jeffrey skilling might get out of jail early. there is word an agreement is talked about between his lawyers. skilling has served six years of a 24-year sentence. that for his role in the collapse of the houston-based energy firm. it is still not clear how much his sentence would be if reduced rather if a deal is reached. martha: long time since we thought about that story, right? that is back in the news. this as well, the daughter of spanish king juan-carlos has been named a suspect in a massive corruption case. a judge in spain subpoenaing princess christina as part of an investigation of her husband for alleged embezzlement of public funds. the judge says there is no
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indication she took part in his businesses there is evidence that the princess was aware of some of his dealings. the royal family is working to appeal that subpoena. bill: something that country doesn't need, right? unemployment at 25% already. if that is true? eight minutes past the hour now. we have signs of trouble for the health care law. why a one-time vocal supporter of the obama administration is now calling the plan incompetent. martha: he is big-name person. bill: yes he is. martha: yep. a teenager lost in the wilderness for days phasing -- facing freezing temperatures. we'll bring his incredible story of survival. you won't believe this. bill: a painting of jesus removed from a middle school after 66 years. why administrators say they can't afford to keep him. >> faith is a big part of this community. we rely on each other. we rely on god. >> they want their rights. what about our rights? >> let's see a hand vote of those who want to stay?
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bill: three long days in the woods. one of the two missing california lighters has been found alive. the search goes on for kyndall jack. but her friend was found confused. >> we were able to make contact with him. bill: the pair had not been heard from since her cell phone died on sunday night. one has been located, and he is okay, but the other one is still being looked for. martha: an article in time magazine entitled obamacare incompetence, reading in part, let me try to understand this. this is from "time" magazine.
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the key incentive for small business to support avuncular with three that they could shop for the best deals and health care superstores called exchanges. the administration has three years to set up these exchanges. it has failed. this is a really bad sign. this is what joe klein says in time magazine. joined by stephen hayes, a writer for "the weekly standard" and a fox news contributor. this is interesting coming from joe klein. in general he has been very supportive of president obama's health care and the administration in general. >> yes, i think it is interesting. the fact that you have someone who is an outspoken proponent of obamacare. basically agreeing with what obamacare is trying to do. it is indeed notable. i would say that he is diagnosing the abnormality here.
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the problem is and who is implementing obamacare but this is a massive government program in that is going to be inherently bureaucratic which is one of the things that many of us were warning about before it was passed. >> it does highlight the conservative argument that it was just creating huge bureaucracy and there would be no way that it could be efficient. he is saying that he has faith in the possibility. but the administration is not willing to do the hard work in making sure. he says if you make sure you are going to build this machine you should get out there and build a machine. >> this is a fatal conceit of the left. they believe if you just have the right people running these massive programs, the programs work and there won't be any problem. well, i think the counterargument is the programs are inefficient. if you look at the size of the undertaking here, we are talking about government running in one way or another.
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one of six in the u.s. economy. that is going to be inefficient. particularly when you look at the incentives that are designed within this superstructure of obamacare you can hire the best bureaucrats on the face to the earth and it won't run well. >> it is fascinating to me. in the third paragraph, joe starts to go outside of the health care issue and he is questioning the administration's ability to get stuff figured out. he does blame republicans in part for that health care situation as well. he goes and other programs and programs and says the department of defense and veterans administration have come up with electronic health care systems. he goes after headstart and job training programs. he said that headstart is a 7 billion-dollar program and a study by headstart says the
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program is basically worthless. >> that's right, it was fascinating to read that part of his arguments. he says that apart department of health and human services says that fixing it is to reform had started. it is worthless, shouldn't we evaluated all? what is the point of having it. particularly at a time when we are facing trillion dollar deficits and a national debt. >> he does go forward and raise that question. i think, in a way. he says if democrats believe that government can solve these things in these ways, then they have to do it. and if they fail, what people see as democratic strength based on the fact that these programs exist, it might start to
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diminish and republicans could start to take advantage of explaining that people. >> that's right, this is the back-and-forth and the push and pull of the argument. really as long as we have had this democratic republic. it is basically believe that the reason government has reduced sizes because the government is inherently inefficient. you won't be able to have an activist government propose and advocated mantra by president obama and his supporters and have it be efficient. we have seen this before and remember that al gore reinvented the government back in the 1990s. this is sort of what the left always wants to do. they want to make government more efficient. but the problem is the best way to make government more efficient is to make government smaller. martha: yes, you are on the panel the other night when brit hume was talking about gravity having a pull on his presidency. when we look back, when we say,
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you know, this joe klein piece is the beginning and the turning of questioning a very strong supporters. you know, that is an expression of the gravity he discussed. >> yes, i think it could be. many people have supported obamacare. we see the difficulty of implementing this program. you have already seen it from some members of the senate who are expressing reservations about things that they voted for in some cases. because it is not going to be pretty as the implementation process moves along. martha: as we head toward the midterm selection, we will see how many democrats think that they did a fantastic job with health care. it is so great to talk with you. bill: a new report showing hundreds of millions of dollars in hurricane aid it has been misspent. so what happened to your tax
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bill: the u.s. navy is embarrassed after losing a $300 million shipped. after it ran aground, it was turned into scrap metal because someone apparently was not paying attention. we have more nla with the
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guardian. good morning. >> yes, this wasn't just anywhere. despite an apology, this is a major embarrassment for the navy losing a ship like this. reporter: they are investigating why the united states navy ran aground. >> we are paying to make sure this comes from harms way all right. >> according to the filipino coast guard, they entered the national park on january 17 and officials told the sheriff that the reef was off limit and an allegedly radioed back take the complaint of u.s. embassy and then minutes later it ran aground. the incident made headlines in
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the philippines, sparking protests in spite of u.s. apologies because the reef is a national treasure. >> it is uncharacteristic. we have trained our commanding officers. they train crews to be extremely professional. >> it allowed them to be pushed further along the coral. lifting it off piece by piece. the guardian is only eight of one minesweepers in the u.s. way. they not only blatant arrogance but faulty maps. >> so the captain is being believed. the navy is investigating. millions in fines are being asked for. not to mention the seven salvaged ships mentioned to clean up this mess to so embarrassing in a significant way.
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>> well, the fbi and texas rangers are now investigating the murders of two prosecutors in texas. details on the dangerous gang that authorities are now looking at. bill: also this is a portrait of jesus. and now it is a part of a federal lawsuit. martha: and new reports that north korea is ready to attack. look at these scenes. we are live in south korea with a very latest. we will be right back with "america's newsroom" more than two years ago,
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martha: the united states military is ramping up its presence in the pacific. a series of threats that have been prompted by north korea. including a threat of a nuclear attack. the pentagon has confirmed that it is employing it in advanced missile defense system. we will speak to them and hear from them in just a moment. bill: a middle school in southern ohio grabbing attention. a religious portrait was removed to avoid a pricey lawsuit. here's the painting of jesus, been on display for 56 years. but a legal challenge claims it
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is an unconstitutional endorsement of christianity. we will hear from both sides. we have the copresident of the freedom for religion foundation. sir, good morning to you. i know he supported taking the picture down. but it has been hanging there since harry truman has been the white house. what is the harm in keeping a? >> the last time that i checked, there is no statute of limitations on the first amendment. a permanent painting on a wall is free speech. we sued on federal court on behalf of parents and students in that school who felt like outsiders. bill: who isn't offending? it was overwhelmingly in support of not changing anything. who was offended? >> well, we don't have the
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majority rule in this country. we have constitutional rule. if there is one person that objects, that person should not be made to feel like an outsider. it was one black student in a predominantly white school, could they put up a white supremacy sign, for instance remap did you have your sights on the school and this portrait for a while? >> no, we did not. it was students in the school they complained to us spew on how many? >> there are five plaintiffs. there are many who don't like this painting on the high school wall. bill: how many students? by students or less than i? >> there are five students and parents. and we would've done that if there were only one. the majority does not have the right to bully its way and force
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this picture of the man who created hell on the rest of the world. it is a free country. bill: do you believe the matter is settled now? the picture has been taken down. >> this case is still alive. this is a temporary restraining order. when we get assurance that it will remain down from the school, we will drop the case. we are scheduled for another hearing next week. bill: dan barker, thank you. we appreciate your time. director from the liberty institute joins us now by way of skype. what are you going to do now? >> well, besides the insurance company performing as it is a couple of hours before the coverage was provided to the
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school district, and the law that would allow the aclu to get a lot of attorney fees and money from the school district but cannot afford it, we had to agree to take on the portrait in order to avoid a court order to do so. >> so was a money issue for you? >> it certainly is. the school district, you know, they are not in a position where they can afford to continue to fight over this portrait issue. because they don't have insurance coverage. that is one of the reasons why we at the liberty institute, we are trying to fundraiser on the country to develop an indemnification fund when an insurance company fails to ensure a school district, and we believe that they are in the legal right to be able to do what they are doing. and we would be able to ensure them ourselves.
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bill: this is the superintendent of jackson city schools. he said we just couldn't roll the dice and it's not fair to take these resources from our kids education. what was the estimated cost? >> i saw a case once where the court ordered $2 million in attorneys fees. but that is the problem with these types of cases. government entities are held hostage and frankly they are going to have to pay these attorney fees if they lose. even if they thought that they had a meritorious claim. the school district, i think they are doing the right thing by ordering them to take the portrait down. it is their first amendment rights. if they want to take action, they can.
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bill: what is this club? >> it is the club that owns the portrait. it has been around since the 1920s. they put up the portrait in 1947. we told them that they have to take the portrait down, even though it is their portrait and private speech because we can't afford to risk this. bill: how are the parents and students reacting? >> i do not know what everyone is saying. but what i do know that a lot of citizens are angry at the school district. school district is kind of hanging over them. certainly it could create problems for them and they just can't roll the dice with that kind of taxpayer money. they may be one of those days we will be able to provide insurance or indemnification.
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bill: you talk about a possibility where they have the funds to fight, especially for towns like jackson, ohio. thank you for talking with us. there is apparently another hearing next week. thank you for your time today, sir. >> thank you. martha: going overseas to the developing news out of north korea. headlines every single day out of this tense situation. the u.s. military has clearly ramped up their presence. in light of all of this after a series of escalating threats everyday from north korea in terms of a nuclear attack. david pieper is live in dold. he is halfway around the world. the question for you is the military is clearly taking these threats from north korea very seriously.
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>> yes. south korea does say today that it is moving one of its large missiles to the east coast. there is a report that this missile could reach the u.s. mainland. and it could fly as far as 1800 miles. so as we do note, the u.s. military has a missile defense. but it will take a couple of weeks. but there are concerns about what north korea will do next. back before they killed two people then. and we really need to understand because over the last few days, they seem to be ratcheting up what they intend to do so they
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have smaller nuclear missiles. it is a major concern to the millions of people here, which is only about 15 miles from the border in seoul, korea. martha: and unnerving situation for everybody. south of the border right now. david, thank you so much for the update. bill: that is a very interesting development. even we woke up about moving missiles of the east coast and now the government is going to fast-track this. now they will be there in the matter of weeks. martha: that's right, now we clearly need support in guam. bill: another case of government waste. hundreds of millions of dollars meant to help victims of hurricane rita and katrina.
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the funds were misused. and where did all your tax dollars go? >> this is not a movie. this is a capital city's highest building in flames when we come back.
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the one you will not see this everyday. that is a 40 story skyscraper under flames. no one was living inside us at the time. that is the good news. but officials say they short-circuit destroy the outside of the building and it burned and burned. martha: serious new questions about the state of the u.s. economy. which way are we headed? we have a pretty dismal jobs report as of this morning. it is 385,000, the number of people that had to walk into the unemployment office and say i'm out of a job. joining me now is our friend liz
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claman and she is coanchor of countdown to the closing bell and after the bell and all kinds of bells. [laughter] >> that's right, we want to see this number come down and not jump higher. we get these numbers every thursday. they decide, i don't have a job, i need to apply for unemployment. as you saw in your graphic, it jumped to 385,000. well, people are saying that easter fluctuations in hiring might sometimes affect this number. but it is very nebulous as to why we saw this. the fact is we have seen some trends that have not been so strong. that stretch it out over a year and it's not the worst thing we have ever seen. but maybe we will get some back up into how we should really feel about it tomorrow when we get the march numbers. martha: what is the expectation
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for? >> it is for us to see a gain of about 200,000 jobs. february is a lot stronger. is there softening going into summer? it's a little early. >> oh, it's the weather because it's too cold, oh, it's the weather because it's too hot. always some excuse. >> there was another report that was disturbing in terms of how the money gets spent. $50 billion dedicated to helping people deal with hurricane sandy. we are looking back now to hurricane katrina and hurricane rita. hundreds of millions of dollars sent to the region to elevate houses among other things. but it looks like the money did not do what we thought was going to do. >> what a shock. you hand homeowners after those two hurricanes, you say here is 30 grand for each of you.
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make sure you elevate your homes with that money. guess what? 700 million of the billions is missing and cannot be pinpointed for having done exactly what it was supposed to do. that way we are not in the hope in the future for these things. where is the money? well, videogames, high-priced moisturizers? what are they by? no one says hold onto on to their seats we will check up on you. >> yes, that is a part of it that blows my mind. so we looked into how many employees work for us. 9000 employees. 56 billion-dollar budgets on taxpayer dollars go to this agency. is it not their job, once they disburses money, to manage it? >> they said it is the state of always in a that is supposed to follow. either way, nobody did.
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that is the problem. some people have thrown a fit and said, what happened to the money? hundreds of people there in place to regulate in somehow nobody's doing their job. bloated government, people are doing their job. we may never know where that money is. martha: some folks were upset. >> we are new jersey residents. we hope that the money is used wisely and and that somebody is holding them accountable. martha: that's right, we hope that that is what happens. thank you and it's good to see you as always. you can catch her everyday on the fox business network. countdown to the closing bell at
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3:00 p.m. then after the bell. bill: coming up next, "happening now". we are joined now by jenna lee. jenna: yes, we have a lot of big stories we're covering today, including some of these disturbing details in light of these murders of law enforcement officials out west. and a sheriff murdered in west virginia. is there a trend here? violence against law enforcement in this country? we will have analysis on that ahead. plus, have you heard about the pilot who fell 2500 feet to his death? and a cell phone turns 40. can you hear me now?
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bill: i think it is still caught between the dashboard of my car right at. jenna: way back when. [laughter] bill: thank you, we will soon a couple of moments. the fbi searching for two dangerous prosecutors. and why police are not stopping the search. >> we will be taking this seriously in order to ensure the safety of citizens in our public officials. many law enforcement agencies are working on weeds that have been received on the tip line. the tips are all being investigated. when you have diabetes...
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martha: this is an incredible story of redemption. a man that was wrongly accused of rape is now getting a chance to live out his dream of making it to the nfl. here is the emotional moment when brian banks first learned that after five years in prison, the woman who accused him had been proved wrong. take a look. martha: tears all around on that day. he worked works so hard to make himself a possibility to go back and join the nfl. he has signed with the atlanta falcons, way back when, he was accused when he was 17 years old. he was on his way to southern california to play football at that time with his whole life ahead of him. it changed his life forever. then after all those years, the accuser said that it had never
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happened. ten years later, he has been meeting with the falcons and they want to give him a shot. they say that he will be treated fairly. >> to show appear as a free man, no parole, no label is a sexual predator. i am finally allowed to live. martha: what a moment for him. he is trying to make a spot on the falcons roster and we will watch his story very closely. that's a great story. bill: we wish the best for him. investigators in texas trying to figure out if there is a connection to a white supremacist prison game known as the aryan brotherhood and the death of two prosecutors. a former l.a. homicide detective in a fox news contributing gentlemen, welcome to both of you. arthur, first you first.
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based on your experience, this is unheard of. >> yes, it rocks the foundation of our criminal justice system. this is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off. organized crime was rampant. in the 80s you could get a prosecutor and a judge working together. the organized crime, they found a small bridge when the two men were in the car together, they blew up the bridge and kill them and their family. i created a chilling effect on anyone cooperating with law enforcement are wanting to be a prosecutor or anyone wanting to be a judge. we have to nip this in the bud and make sure that there is zero tolerance on any threats to prosecutors anywhere. >> it interesting when you talk about the legal institutions.
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mark, you believe the three homicides are connected. how is that? >> well, i think the coincidence is staggering in the amount of speculation that you can make. they are all connected with the aryan brotherhood in some regards. you have two prosecutors that were killed. one of them had a wife that was killed. the aryan brotherhood is connected. to think that they are not connected with this prosecution of 34 top members of the aryan brotherhood would be rather naïve. the aryan brotherhood, that being said, they are not a group that has threats given lightly. bill: his bodyguards a solution here? >> after the world trade center bombing, the trial that had to
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do with the first bombing in 2003 -- accusing him in 1993, a federal judge had to fear for a decade or more. there had been organized crime members who have been with terrorist members in the jails under. and they had threats to kill judges. he slammed them down immediately. there has to be zero tolerance. bill: using bodyguards are the answer? >> i do not think so. if they have access to you, is unfortunate. it means it's very hard to get under cover and it's very hard because an informant's family will be killed first and then the same as in aryan brotherhood member. bill: thanks to both of you. we will be right back
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