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>> bob, will you be in times square, walking up and down? >> the massage parlor. >> thanks for watching. see you tomorrow. "special report" with bret baier is next. on the clock, egypt's military gives the country's muslim president 48 hours to get a deal or get out of town. this is "special report." good evening, i'm bret baier. the clock is ticking for egyptian president mohammed morsi. a day after millions of egyptian protesters call for his ouster, the country's military issued an ultimatum. meet the people's demands or we will. we have fox team coverage. ed henry is traveling with the president in africa, has the latest from the administration on this topic, but we begin with
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conor powell. >> reporter: nearly 8,000 men were killed -- many of them are staying in tahrir square and across the country as we speak. live pictures there show just how large the crowds are. this long term political crisis in egypt entered a new phase as the military is threatening to intervene. in one of the largest demonstrations since the revolution two years ago, millions of anti-government protesters took to the streets across the nation, demanding democratically elected president mohammed morsi resign by tuesday evening. >> the people brought him to power, and the people are now telling him we don't want you. end it with all these people on the street. >> reporter: critics say morsi and the ruling muslim brotherhood failed to fix egypt's struggling economy,
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while forcing conservative islam on the country. in a show of strength, egyptian army helicopters circle above the heads of protesters in tahrir square. opposition groups called on the military to protect the peaceful anti-morsi demonstrators. today, the army went further, demanding egypt's feuding leaders agree on a road map in 48 hours to end the political turmoil, warning that the military will step in. morsi has stayed out of the public spotlight, but supporters rallied this weekend, vowing to defend the embattled president. morsi made several concessions in recent days, including offering to change the constitution, promising reforms. but opposition groups rejected the offers. the political division is deep and this won't end political division or turmoil, but the coming 48 hours could determine a great deal of egypt's future.
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>> conor powell in the middle east newsroom, thank you. we will be watching that in the next day or so. president obama says he is not picking sides in the egyptian crisis, and that's not the only global hot spot keeping him on his toes. chief white house correspondent ed henry is with the president in tanzania. >> reporter: president obama dancing in tanzania as if he doesn't have a care in the world, when his for enpolicy is being test not far from here in the middle east, where he continues to be drawn into the growing pains of the government of mohammed morsi of the muslim brotherhood. >> the key is making sure they don't work through them in a violent fashion. our position has always been it is not our job to choose who egypt's leaders are, we do want to make sure all the voices are heard and it is done in a peaceful way. >> reporter: to syria where the slaughter topped 100,000, republicans see a policy adrift.
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>> it is a proxy war between the united states and iran, we are sitting by and watching all of this happen. we need american leadership. >> reporter: at a news conference, the president was pressed on egypt and whether it is time to cut off the $1.3 billion in military aid that american taxpayers provide to morsi. mr. obama declared he could not decide aid based on counting faces in a demonstration crowd or whether the recipient is following the rule of law. >> what is clear now, although he was elected democratically, there's more work to be done to create the conditions in which everybody feels their voices are heard. >> reporter: part of the reluctance to push morsi harder could be born out of the fact that it leaves them behind. >> they pled with protesters to remain peaceful, to use politics to resolve their differences,
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but at the same time we are sort of trapped supporting the morsi and muslim brotherhood government because we don't see many alternatives. >> as for syria, they con fifrmd some of the jihadist rebels beheadedc priest for allegedly collaborating with the regime of bashar al-assad. he was allegedly killed with a kitchen knife as a crowd cheered and snapped photos with smart phones. >> reporter: tomorrow, secretary of state john kerry has urgent meetings with the leaders of turkey and russia on syria, but not like russia is helpful on this issue or the edward snowden case. >> ed henry with the president in africa, thank you. president obama has not been a big fan in public of his predecessor, but today he credited president george w. bush leading the way in the fight against aids in africa. >> this is just another opportunity for me to reiterate what i said in south africa yesterday at an hiv, aids clinic
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that has saved lives because of the u.s. program that president bush started. i think this is one of his crowning achievements, because of the commitment of the bush administration and the american people, millions of people's lives have been saved. >> president obama will meet with former president bush tomorrow in tanzania at the u.s. embassy there. russian president vladimir putin says nsa leaker edward snowden will have to stop giving out american secrets if he wants asylum in moscow. meanwhile, america's allies are demanding answers about the latest revelation in the nsa surveillance scandal. here is chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. >> reporter: according to the official russian news service inter fax, late monday at the airport he applied for asylum. while it can't be independently verified, earlier in the day,
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vladimir putin said snowden could stay in russia only if he stopped leaking classified documents about u.s. surveillance programs. even putin, a former kgb officer, saw the irony. >>translator: if he wishes to stay here, we have one condition. he must stop his work aimed at harming our american partners. >> reporter: the documents benefit china and russia the most, putin claims the former contractor is not helping moscow. >>translator: mr. snowden is not our agent, he never was and today is not. our special services have never worked with him and don't work with him. >> reporter: earlier today, mr. obama portrayed talks in washington and moscow as productive, even moving the right direction. >> there have been high level discussions with the russians about trying to find a solution to the problem. >> reporter: publishing once secret documents, britain's guardian says they targeted missions. secretary of state kerry played down ramifications, adding he is
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working with europe's chief representative. >> lady ashton did indeed raise it with me today, we agreed to stay in touch. i agreed to find out exactly what the situation is, and i would get back to her. >> reporter: german prosecutors are investigating whether laws were broken when the u.s. spied on european citizens using the p.r.i.s.m. program that collects overseas internet data, and bugged offices. >> we must say clearly eavesdropping on france is unacceptable, a no go. we are not in the cold war any more. >> reporter: with more spying allegations, they describe the data collection on allies as routine. >> i am not going to characterize it for them to say we make the kind of intelligence we gather is something that other nations do as well. >> reporter: late today, reuters reports they sent a letter to the president and he claims he is persecuted by the u.s. government for leaks and thanks
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the ecuadorian government for accepting his asylum application and for the paperwork that allowed him to travel to russia. he is free to reveal more secrets and intends to do so. justice department officials tell fox they're waiting to authenticate that letter before commenting. prosecutors in court martial of bradley manning say al qaeda leaders urged to study the documents. they say even osama bin laden asked for the information. the army private is charged with aiding the enemy. talk about zero tolerance, why a college student buying bottled water ended up in jail, later in the grapevine. up next, an incredible tragedy in a wildfire in arizona.
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not even some of the best firefighters in the world to escape a horrific blaze burning through parts of arizona
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tonight. 19 firefighters are dead, almost the entire elite fire crew there killed. their names just released minutes ago. and the blaze that killed them is still growing exponentially. dan springer is in congress, arizona. hello, dan. >> reporter: just a devastating tragedy here. sunday was the deadliest day for firefighters in the united states since 9/11, and the largest loss of life in a wildfire in this country in 80 years. the bodies of 18 members of the elite granite mountain hot shots team were just removed from the fire area, driven in procession to the coroner's office. officials haven't identified the 19th victim or where he worked, but we're told one hot shot member survived because he was moving a truck when his comrades were overrun by the fast moving wildfire, which was actually changing by shifting winds. it was sparked friday by lightning a mile and a half from yarnell. a hot shot crew went in
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yesterday to try to dig lines to save several hundred homes, then contact was lost. >> typically speaking, they have a safety zone that is designated they would report to, if there's danger. for whatever the reason, they might not have made it, i don't know. >> reporter: officials say the men deployed the emergency fire shelters, which were shown in a training video. some of the bodies were found under the reflective tents, they are considered a last resort when there's no escape route. they're from nearby prescott. they received a call of support from president obama and visit from arizona's governor. >> to the friends and family of those lost yesterday, i know we can never fully repay the sacrifices made by your loved ones. >> reporter: there will be state and federal investigations. meantime, the fire rages on. it is up to 13 square miles, over 200 buildings destroyed, 0
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containment, and temperatures over 100 degrees. >> dan springer live in arizona. thank you. jurors in the george zimmerman murder trial today heard an interview with the defendant and a police officer on the scene of trayvon martin's fatal shooting. zimmerman says it was self defense. also today, an audio expert with the fbi said the recording of a person begging for help was not clear enough for him to determine who screamed. he said someone familiar with the voice might be able to identify it. establishing who was the aggressor is considered a major focus of that trial. spending on residential housing construction was up a little over one percentage point in may to the highest level in four and a half years. the dow started the week ahead 65, s&p 500 up 9 and nasdaq 31. if you are considering going to school, your bills may go up.
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mike emanuel tells us why your college education got more expensive. >> reporter: congress went on recess, college students needing new federal loans were left with interest rates double the 6.8%. a bipartisan group offered a fix, link student loans to financial markets rather than have congress set the rates. >> this would be fair to taxpayers and fair to the students. >> reporter: president obama proposed tying them to the ten year treasury note. the house passed a plan in may, though the rate can fluctuate year to year. many favor a one year extension to negotiate a long term market plan. >> students across the country would rather have no deal than bad deal. we are at the point we have to do our best to extend the 3.4% interest rate, fully paid for, while we work on a good deal, not just any deal. >> reporter: access to aid isn't necessarily producing positive results, experts allowed colleges to raise prices
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rapidly, 27% at public institutions since 2007, and 13% bump at already more expensive private schools. availability of aid led to massive overconsumption and noncompletion of higher education. more than 40% of full time students failed to complete their degree within six years. >> we're kind of dooping students by saying look, everybody should go to college because the lifetime payoff of getting a degree is much bigger than whatever debt you take on. on average, that's true. what it ignores is huge millions of people, huge numbers that go to college and never finish. >> reporter: the current fight is among senate democrats. congressional sources say the president will need to step in to settle it. whatever the outcome can be made retroactive so students aren't punished for the delay. >> thank you. uncle sam wants you to help sell obama care. first, it was the deadliest battle of the deadliest war in american history, the 150th
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tens of thousands of people are in gettysburg, pennsylvania this week to commemorate what's called the turning point of america's deadliest war. chief washington correspondent james rosen is in gettysburg tonight. >> gettysburg is the greatest battle in american history, it ranked up there with the battle of yorktown which gave us independence, and d-day which destroyed hitler's germany. >> reporter: on one hand, an inspirational moment. it is a reminder of failure of democratic institutions to resolve things in a peaceful manner. a century and a half after guns and cannons fell silent, it is a
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monument to bravery and sacrifice, and testament to grim consequences of the war between the states, the four year struggle over slavery, pitted north against south, brother against brother. 165,000 soldiers, union and confederate descended on gettysburg. robert e. lee was feeling strong after a series of victories. 72 hours before the battle began, lincoln sacked his gun shy commander, replaced him with george gordon meed. it was designed to bring the war to a swift end after two years fighting on southern soil. >> the morning of july 1st, confederate infantry comes marching along, john buford's
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cavalry were spread over the area. initial engagement occurs. >> reporter: day one ended with the north driven southward. historians debate whether richard ule could have destroyed them. day two, the you know staved off further loss of territory with ferocious fighting to the northeast. the epic siegedevil's den. >> day two is the bloodiest day of the battle. robert e. lee finds it is a different battle. >> reporter: day three, they penetrate the farthest into northern territory. but the union held at cemetery ridge, other scenes of unimaginable carnage, prompting george picket to leave 13,000 rebels on one final doomed thrust, the mile long assault known as picket's charge.
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>> those confederates that break position here, come through here, union reinforcements come on the scene, and confederates are driven away. >> reporter: nearly 18,000 killed, more wounded, captured, missing. the fighting continued another 21 months. the south would never again pose the same threat. that november lincoln would visit gettysburg to honor the fallen with a 272 word address that became america's finest or agency. the legacy of gettysburg with even uk reflection of the best and worst of american character is no less instructive than in 1938. >> a peace memorial commemorates the anniversary of gettysburg where brothers fought. >> reporter: when elderly veterans reunited for the battle's 75th anniversary. >> by the standards of today, civil war is not an information age event, but if you think of it, it was. people waited anxiously for the latest news over the web of telegraph wires. it is part of the dna of
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america. it is embedded in our story. it is in many ways the story of america. >> reporter: in gettysburg pennsylvania, james rosen, fox news. >> he will continue reporting there all week from telegraphs to twitter. what lessons have we learned from gettysburg? send them to me on twitter. tweet me@bretbaier. allison lunder gone grimes has the best chance to defeat mcconnell, his seat the biggest surprise. brit hume is here. >> backers of the senate immigration bill say it contains the strongers border enforcement measures taken, and have to be
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in effect before anyone takes a step on the path to citizenship. those statements may be true, but in political terms probably beside the point because the bill makes what is called registered provisional immigrant status available almost immediately to most illegals now in the country, and that's before any of the new border protections are in place. this is what house republicans mean when they complain the bill puts legalization ahead of border enforcement, it does. this provisional legal status is not quite amnesty. those that register have to undergo a background check, couldn't vote, have to payback taxes, wouldn't be eligible for most government benefits, but it is close enough to amnesty to give house republicans some firm political ground from which to oppose that senate bill. they're told to look at the 2012 election results and weak showing by mitt romney with the growing hispanic vote. oppose immigration reform and the gop will never win another
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national election. house republicans might well answer we just did, that's why they control the house, have little interest in backing what will look to many constituents like amnesty. >> you touched on it there, the congressional wisdom about the political fallout of all of this. it seems super charged towards the democrats if you listen to anybody talking about immigration reform. >> it does. there's no doubt long term the growth of the hispanic vote which continues to grow will make a big difference in national elections, but it remains about 10% of the vote now. the white vote is something around the order of 70%. it won't be that much different in two years or four. the white vote actually declined from its expectations, despite the fact in 2012 that the white population had grown. if you're republicans looking at how do you best get more votes, a bigger piece of the vote, you got to look to a larger proportion of 70% than larger
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proportion of 10%, makes sense mathematically for the time being, and chances are republicans have a better shot at winning the white vote than the hispanic or other ethnic votes because that's how the votes break. i think the conventional wisdom they have to have the hispanic vote long term is reasonable, but in the near term, i don't think it makes a lot of sense. >> brit, thank you. one to watch. why a case of bottled water could have sent a college co-ed up the river. and what you won't be seeing a lot of on military bases this independence day. grapevine is next. can vitamins melt into mouth-watering flavor?
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president of turkmenistan. the state department contends he is a dictator with a laundry list of human rights violations. a spokesman for j-lo says she had no idea, would never have performed had she known. she isn't the first celebrity to accept a paid gig with a dictator. hilary swank attended a party from chechnya's president, beyonce admitted to being paid to perform for the gadhafi family. they reportedly donated their paychecks for those gigs to charity. independence day will be quieter this year at several military bases across the country because the fireworks have been furloughed. camp will he jean, fort brag, shaw air force base, and pearl harbor have opted to go a cheaper route july 4th to comply with budget cuts necessary because of the sequester, we're told. the commanding general at camp
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lejeune said last year's -- the daily progress reports 20-year-old university of virginia student elizabeth daily was spotted by state agents leaving the store with what they mistakenly thought was beer. daily says six people swarmed her car, one jumped on the hood, one drew a gun, she was terrified, not knowing they were agents, attempted to drive away and called 911. she grazed two officers with her car, was arrested and charged with assaulting, eluding police. the daily progress says thursday the prosecutor dropped the charges. state officials say they're looking into the case, maintain their agents were acting on reasonable suspicion. athletes, actors, students, even librarians, the obama administration is trying to enlist all of them in an effort
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to sell the president's health care reform law to a skeptical public. here is chief national correspondent jim angle. >> reporter: the administration launched a full court press, seeking help from any and everyone to promote the law. >> i think they're between a rock and a hard place here, time is very short, and they're trying to take the health care law, obama care mainstream by any means possible. >> reporter: this weekend, the american library association agreed to help the administration inform people about their options. >> libraries are where everyone goes to ask questions and find answers. >> we know that libraries have become the hub in many communities for people who need information about the affordable care act. >> reporter: the administration tried to get the nfl and major league baseball to join the enrollment campaign, but that went nowhere. one republican analyst says sports leagues are better focusing on team loyalties rather than political loyalties, especially with the new law remaining widely unpopular.
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>> this is a highly charged political subject and i think everybody needs to stay in their lane and the nfl agreed that that was a good idea. >> reporter: the nfl made clear they would not be promoting the health care law, saying in a statement, quote, we currently have no plans to engage in this area and have had no substantive contact with the administration about the law's implementation. major league baseball and national hockey league said the white house first scheduled meetings, then cancelled them. obama administration is also trying to use formidable social media skills, spending a million dollars in los angeles alone to get young people to try to sign up friends and family. >> using social media to say get out and vote for the president, they can do that without costing them a lot of money. in this particular case, they're saying come out, sign up for health insurance, and by the way, it will cost you $100 a month. that's a different story all together. >> reporter: the rules in law mean young people have to spend a lot more on insurance than they do now, and if they don't sign up, the insured population
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will be older and sicker and obama care will be much more expensive. bret? >> thank you. action inside and outside the texas state capitol. lawmakers are in a second special session to pick up what would be one of the most restrictive abortion laws. demonstrators urged rejection of that, it would prohibit abort n abortions after 20 weeks. egyptians are protesting, and america is in the middle. we will talk about it with the fox all stars when we return. out there owning it. the ones getting involved and staying engaged. they're not afraid to question the path they're on. because the one question they never want to ask is "how did i end up here?" i started schwab for those people. people who want to take ownership of their investments, like they do in every other aspect of their lives.
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obviously we're all concerned about what's happening in egypt. we have been monitoring it very closely. our commitment to egypt has never been around any particular individual or party. our commitment has been to a process.
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our position has always been it's not our job to choose who egypt's leaders are. we do want to make sure all the voices are heard and it is done in a peaceful way. over the last few days, the passion and dignity that has been demonstrated by the people of egypt has been an inspiration to people around the world, including here in the united states. and to all those that believe in the inevitability of human freedom. to the people of egypt, particularly the young people of egypt, i want to be clear. we hear your voices. >> president obama today talking about protests in egypt, then president obama in february of 2011 talking about those protests that led to ouster of hosni mubarak. as you look live in cairo, tahrir square, still as you can see tens of thousands of people there, and the laser pointers that we saw pointed at the helicopters overhead last night, it has been constant protests really since sunday. look at a picture, one of the
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signs in the protest had a specific message for the obama administration and for americans, and this picture is of alexandria, showing tens of thousands of people, the estimate, 17 million people, taking to the streets in egypt over the past couple days, pushing back on the president, mohammed morsi and his islamist government. let's bring in the panel, steve haze, writer for weekly standard. march a wise, and charles krauthammer. charles, thoughts? >> obama is a bystan here are the egyptians in the millions out on the street, trying to bring down an islamic government, increasingly dictatorial, increasingly in tolerant, arresting journalists and judges, and the people are saying no, and what does the president of the united states do? he takes a position of study and
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neutrality, says he is not supporting either side. as you point out in the mubarak revolution, he obviously strongly took the side of the people, he demanded that mubarak had to go, he was not neutral. this reminds me of the green revolution in iran in 2009 when the same thing happened. islamists, dictatorial government, the people out in the street, and they were shouting obama, obama, are you with us or against us. and he took a position that was essentially supportive of the regime, and the reason was he wanted to negotiate a nuclear deal he thought he could do, didn't want instability. that was a shameful episode. there's also idea of national interest. mubarak was pro-american, he was an ally of ours, helped us in all kinds of ways. obama worked against him. morsi represents a movement which is essentially deeply anti-american, and deeply anti-democratic, yet he is
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neutral on this. this is a shocking position for a president to take. >> let me play devil's advocate. morsi was duly elected by that country. he was not a dictator. he may be turning into one, but he was not one as they elected him a year ago this past weekend. >> we have a long history of dictatorial parties that get elected and then end elections. you had putin russia, hitler is the greatest example, chavez, sand niece at thats. the brotherhood is not a democratic party, not the british labor, not the democratic party of america, it is a movement that has an ideology, its allegiance islam. ran through an extreme constitution with no compromise, was ruling dictatorially. i think for a president to pretend if elected once you have the protection and support of the united states is a complete
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misunderstanding of what legitimacy is. >> mara? >> the problem with the democratic resolution, you don't want it to be one election, that's the fear in egypt that these people come to power through democratic means, then don't leave or accept the democratic will of the people. the question is i don't think the united states can call for a military coup against a duly elected president in egypt. you want the people to get rid of him if they don't like him, seems like they don't here. that's the difficult thing. iran, i agree with charles, that was an opportunity missed. but he can't just dictate who's going to be the president. >> but he doesn't have to say i want to see him step down, he could express sympathy and support for the ideas and the aspirations. >> let me read this quote from the egyptian defense minister, steve. the armed forces repeats its
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calls for the demands of the people be met. to give everyone 48 hours as a last chance to shoulder the burden of a historic moment in which the nation is passing throu through. if the people's demands aren't achieved in 48 hours, it is the duty of the military based on patriotic and historical responsibilities, out of respect for demands of the glorious people of egypt to announce a road map for the future, take measures to supervise the execution. that was cut and dry. >> sounds like a threat of a coup. they issued a subsequent statement later today, in essence backing off, saying we didn't mean that as threat of a coup. once the statement is made, the statement is made. it is interesting to watch the united states try to play this. you have ann patterson, u.s. ambassador there, becoming -- she's featured on posters, heavily criticized, and i think the complaint is that the united
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states has been too involved but i have a different view. i don't think the united states has been too involved. behind the scenes involvement, however, had been for a long time very one sided. i think our government made it clear, made a decision, they wanted to try to earn the trust of muslim brotherhood government in egypt to try to create a working relationship. as a result kept the opposition groups at arm's length. the opposition groups, you have our ambassador trying to broker some negotiation or peace. the opposition groups say why would we trust you now when the past, you haven't received us or our complaints with any degree of seriousness. >> multi millions of people on the streets of egypt in what would be as charles mentioned usually in the u.s. interests, usually one would think those protesters were where the u.s. wants egypt to be. but now we're on the other side of this as you look live again
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in cairo. >> i think the united states wants to be careful not to be seen as mara points out as supporters of a military coup. on the other hand, you would think the president of the united states would be able to utter some words about the overstep that we have seen from mohammed morsi and his allies. final point, morsi put out some words today that i think are interesting and seem to be sewing seeds to blame the united states if there's a coup. he said a coup could not succeed unless it had the support of the united states. so if there is some military move, he is getting ready to whip up people on the street against the united states. >> down the road. does morsi survive this? what happens in egypt? >> i think the military will take over, but it will appoint a government of experts and will not rule directly. >> i agree with that. then the opposition is responsible for organizing itself so it is a counter weight to the muslim brotherhood to win elections. >> but there's no opposition, there are many kinds of opposition. if morsi falls, which is more
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likely than not, we play see some very serious street fighting that could lead to a civil war. >> we will follow it all. next up, fuzzy math on student loans. ♪ when you experience something great, you want to share it. with everyone. that's why more customers recommend verizon, america's largest 4g lte network.
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>> bret: look live there on capitol hill. pretty empty place, congress is out on recess and college students with federal loans left with interest rates doubled. take a look at this. 3.4%, the old rate as of today 6.8%. student loan interest rates. the senate left without dealing with it the house did pass a bill. we're back with the panel. steve? >> well, there has been an interesting twitter back and forth that's been going on for months where people
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are using this hash tag don't double my rate. i think the long-term answer actually is to double their rate. we can't have the federal government as involved in subsidizing student loans as we have over the past, you know, decades for the coming future. we need some sort of evening out or i think that we are going to be approaching something like the housing bubble where you take a good idea which is to encourage people to go to college, as many people as possible to go to college. give them incentives to do it. federal government comes in, distorts the market and then you have some kind of dramatic bubble. neil mccluskey argument for years and making it very persuasively. something to be careful of. not the right way to do it. don't want to have this kind of shock. congress come back in and fix this retroactive july 1 to today. in the long term the smarter public policy decision is to actually let the rates increase. marah i can take a look at the bipartisan group to take a look at the plan.
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lamar alexander and richard burr as well as independent angus king and joe manchin. they offered a permanent fix tieing it to the financial markets. didn't work. >> what's interesting about. this what steve just outlined might be the conservative principled position. that's not the position of republicans on capitol hill. this is not a big ideological debate in the house. they passed something almost identical to the president's plan although they wanted to fluctuate and he wants to tie it to the 10 year treasury rate. but there is no big ideological debate here. and i think this is a problem that on a policy level could be solved pretty quickly because the gulf isn't that big. >> >> bret: where does the fault lie politically when parents go to plan where their kids are going to go. >> have a hard time figuring out who to blame except everybody. i think it is a disgrace. i do think this will be fixed retroactively before school starts. >> bret: charles? >> it's a classic example of the unintended consequences of compassion. it's a good idea until you
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realize you showed earlier on the show how much tuition has increased and the reason is you get a huge amount of money from the federal government that the colleges understand, supply and demand allow them continue to crease their tuition. you showed that public institutions increased tuition by 27% since 2007 and the more expensive private colleges are about half of that. so, it's essentially it's inflating the budgets of universities, everybody understands that in fact, obama mentioned in one of his state of the union addresses the kind of attempt to rhetorically demand that colleges roll back tuition. but why should they? his words a lot of money. so i think that is the root of the problem. the other problem is how do you get out of debt with a job? and the prolonged unemployment, the high chronic unemployment and the fact that youth unemployment is so high is a reason why this is a more crushing debt than it would be in normal conditions.
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>> bret: senate minority leader gave a speech in part about this and said it was tied to obama care. in reality, that's the first place that this was coupled together, the federal student loans in that bill. that then became law. so, that was accurate. as far as how it gets solved, probably retroactive when they get back. >> i'm sure, marah is exactly right. republicans make more principled argument in part because this is a kindler gentler republican party. they want to make life work for people, you know, average voters, try to show people that they care more. so i think they are making an argument that's more exspeed yent and less, i think, likely to make a solution. >> young people aren't buying houses. they aren't getting married. they aren't doing all the things that make for stable relationships and commitments because of this crushing burden of debt. >> all of that is also because of absence of a job. >> bret: that is it for the
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>> bret: finally tonight, fourth of july book, it's a big week for vacations, often for adult beverages as well, beer sales always go through the roof this week. there is a study for everything, right? well now there is a new study out alcohol can make you smarter. then there is the inmoderation part of it one late night show show people did perhaps too much studying. >> here is a smart guy. another smart guy here we go. thank you. thank you very much, how about this rocket
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