afternoon, 1:40, and now we're down 30. or something like that. not too bad. cavuto is coming up. have a great afternoon. see you tonight. >> neil: young and restless. not this guy. these guys. because apparently lots of young folks are ticked off as well. welcome everybody. in god we trust maybe but when it comes to in government we trust, well, maybe not. and for nearly eight of tendown merges definitely not. that's how many young adults sale the government surveillance programs are invading their privacy. 77%. that has markedly higher than the already 59% of all americans who feel the same way in the same poll. all of this, as the president's approval rating continues to

plummet. now at an all-time low. larry is here on the growing danger for democrats. that do you think? >> well, neil, what is interesting, it really is disproportionalitily affecting the millenial generation. this is an opportunity for the libertarian wing of the republican party to try to grab back the young people who have been trending heavily democratic in the last couple of elections. >> we have already known and seen from the young the bloom is off the obama rose. that's not specifically his fault. just that no one person can deliver all the hype that came with his election and then re-election. but this cuts to something that is in their high-tech core. that they love these devices and they don't much like the thought of the government snooping on

these devices. >> yes. i think they've been generally disturbed as a generation to find out that the government is still doing what it's done for a long time, not just since 9/11 but probably since world war ii. nonetheless, they're an enormous generation. they're going to be coming into their own. they're going to be running things in not too many years. so what they think as a generation matters, and they're concerned about government snooping. i say it's an opportunity for the republicans, if they can seize it. >> neil: correct me if i'm wrong, you always do -- ronald reagan last got a majority of young voters but it's been a long time since a republican has come even close. when you say this is a chance for republicans to make inroads, maybe even within the libertarian wing, and kids tend to be of that ilk, what do they have to do?

>> three things. one is this issue of transparency. the other is jobs, and that's another place where democrats have at least until recently fallen short. and then in addition you have the social issues. the social issues aren't going anywherey i don't see republicans changing. so they can benefit from jobs but they're not in charge of that. transparency is the opportunity for them to make a stand that clearly distinguishes them from the administration, that could affect at least a portion of the youth vote. >> neil: what's interesting to me, larry, is that when you poll young people on what they think about snowden, they like him. by and large many of them find him a hero. yet they find the revelations that have come forward to be damaging to the president they by and large very much admired and even to this day admire. that seems to be an oddity and anomaly but a chasm that is

growing. >> young people in almost every generation, even your generation, neil -- i know you can't think back to when you were young because it was so long ago -- >> neil: this is the part of the interview -- >> we always do that. it's traditional. but if you can remember back to when you were young, you were also antiestablishment, and so -- >> neil: pro establishment even when i was five. i have no idea why. your point is well taken. >> i knew you were different. >> neil: larry, thank you for the final appearance on my show. always good seeing you. the good professor -- >> thank you, neil. >> neil: in the middle of this we've got this. china and russia holding their largest ever joint naval drills in the sea of japan come friday. the chinese general saying, what's the big deal? outside of should not consider these exercises threatening. but we're not so sure.

>> i think these exercised have been planned for a while. i'm not suspicious of the timing of them. i'm not -- >> have they den stuff before. >> never like this before, certainly not this level. the problem is, is it a foreshadowing of something to come? is it china and russia making common cause with each? russia needs foreign investment in hit energy sector. is china going to provide that? china needs oil and natural gasses. going to buy it from russia? are the russians going to get more foreign exchange to buy chinese goods? there is a certain synergy in these two economies. these countries don't have friends but they have interests and their interests may coincide, and if they particularly then coincide with iran, you can see five years down the road a chinese-russian-iranian coalition, pushing the united states out. >> neil: but they both need certainly more china that russia -- american consumers.

so they don't want to risk rattling the cage. >> foremost on their mind is making sure that part of the west pacific and southeast asia are where they want them. they do not want these countries challenging them either economically, plate -- politically or causing problem. the russians want to reclaim the good old days days of the sovien down union. so each country has objective that don't interfere with the other's objectives and i am concerned that, especially in this current economic environment, and political environment, that president obama should have seen this coming. >> neil: we're just nerds here but if you can show the big board today, if the markets are worried about some contrary superpower cabal against us,

they're not reflecting it. they're still worried about ben bernanke and whether he is going to provide relief. they're more interested in company cozy whether their earnings will measure up. none of this comes up. is this whistling past the graveyard? >> are you going to put your money? the bank in under the empty tress until your savings dwindle. >> neil: you fear the u.s. could become some target, then wouldn't you be less inclined to put it here or do you think it's appear realistic? >> i'm talking about something that is on the horizon. i think ultimately ten years from now the united states has a renaissance with our energy resources coming online. >> neil: do you think down the road that this weighs on investors in they look at this and start saying, all right, we have an administration losing popularity. global power houses that are now aligning themselves against us and our interests.

not a good environment in which to be. >> except for the fact that the long-term prospects for the united states are great because when our energy resources come online from fracking -- natural gas -- >> neil: if we don't stop limiting that -- >> not going to be able to stop this tidal with a, and once that happens, several things happen politically. the middle east, which is a dangerous neighborhood to get your energy from, we don't care as much anymore. the world doesn't care. >> neil: we can ignore them. >> china comes knocking on your door hat in hand because they need american energy resources. it's a sax secure, and stable place for them to get them. industry repatriots in the united states, all those businesses that left and went to mexico, went to asia, come back to the united states because energy is almost free, and we enjoy the energy resources that other countries don't have. everybody has the ability to frack. we have the economic conditions and the way the oil is

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phil ain't flipping. >> i am celebrating. what the heck. take what you can get. prices -- people were predicted five and six and seven dollars a gallon. i can consider that a victory. but what i think is really a victory -- >> neil: short-lived. >> depends on what happens in egypt, what happens in the middle east. big picture, i think the era of high gas prices is coming to an end. the shell gas production in the united states, we're going to have more alternatives. look at tesla stock, over 120. electric cars are coming. natural gas, cheap natural gas. the energy mix is changing. gasoline is not going to hold us hostage. >> neil: so we don't do anything to disrupt our getting oil and alternatives from this country, and there are growing fears we

might stymy it. >> well, you know, i could see that, and there are those concerns. what i will say that, when president obama made his speech on the greenhouse gas emissions, we can talk about when, wind -- wind and solar but the only way to keep greenhouse emissions down is to use nor natural gas, and if we move in that direction, natural gas will be the bridge fuel and that means we'll be using more of that than gasoline and just having that alternative should keep prices under control. >> neil: when you say under control, a lot of us have gotten used to three something on gas. and maybe when it hits 3.50 or under, maybe we think we have hit pay dirt. how much lower could it get to make that justifiably something to look forward to. >> if we're below three dollars a gallon with the negligence the

middle east and the dollar and stock market being what it is, i could see a scenario where some parts of the country paying two dollars a gallon for gasoline. in the future. that's not going to happen overnight. i feel like i jinx that because everytime i say that we'll have a war or hurricane. but the process has begun and i don't think the government can stepthis. the technology is changing. who could haveould have electric cars in three years that would be viable, or natural gas vehicles. i mean, that is the energy mix that is changing and that's making me more excited. i think some day we'll be bragging to our grandkids i once paid five dollars a gallon for gasoline. >> neil: but inflation. >> that's a different question. at it all relative when you talk about dollars but inflation is always the point. the cost of production of a barrel of oil will go up.

we know the cost of drilling goes up, but relatively speaking, when you adjust for inflation, gasoline prices will be cheaper than they have been since world war i. >> neil: we'll see. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> neil: drivers are not the only ones getting hosed this holiday. fliers are, too. actually, fliers are more, and ganging up on the good evening of eight and the tea party is just getting started. [chanting] uh-oh! guess what day it is??

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being so wishy washy and sitting on the fence. he'll do one thing that is good and then four or five that is very displeasing. >> neil: the senate immigration bill through and now tea partyers are through with him and they let senator lindsey graham know it yesterday. on the phone with us, one of the protesters. we put in a call to the senator. he was not available. we hope soon he will be. ron, what was your message for the senator and those republicans who voted for this immigration bill? >> thanks for having me. our message was that the senator graham has just disappointed his constituents in south carolina. we wanted a full-time conservative senator and he has not done that for us. as one of the other speakers said, sometimes he is saying the right things and issues like immigration and the nsa and we

just cannot support that kind of vote. >> neil: do you think he should be looking at a party challenge, primary challenge? >> i would love to see the senator be challenged next year. it's time to let him know he is not representing the values of the citizens of south carolina. >> neil: how would you feel if that handed the seat over to a democrat? >> well, right now, there seems to be not a whole lot of difference. if we have a senator who claims to be republican and then votes against the constitution and against those things we value, then i'm not sure if i see a whole lot different. i believe we can find a very viable candidate within the state and we hope to mount a good challenge to senior senator. >> neil: how do you feel about those who people that the more

republicans fight this immigration bill, for whatever reason, they will continue to lose the latino vote? there is the fear that republicans are on the wrong side on this, and that they're going to lose more elections because of this? >> well, i'm a lot more concerned about the maintaining the values within our constitution than i am with some segment of voting public. if the tradeoff is to give up liberties and maintain a republican, i believe maintain the constitution is probably much better option. >> neil: a lot of your colleague s in the tea party say it's time for another party. tea party or something like it and now is the time. >> i'm not certain about a third party. i think that if whatever label the candidate puts behind their

name, if they are not willing to stand behind the constitution and their -- oath of office, whatever party they claim to be part of, they department have a lot of support from the conservative wing. >> neil: what do you think of speaker boehner? >> speaker boehner, i think, needs to man up. that's just my personal opinion. but -- >> neil: what do you mean by that? >> there's an awful lot of opportunity for him to push back against some of the senate votes recently, and i have a feeling he is -- don't think he has stood up and taken on the challenge as we expect from the leader of the republican party. >> neil: thank you very much, ron. this uproar of the tea party toward their party continue. >> supporters of immigration reform have plenty of arguments.

one of them is this. >> our changing demographics put a strain on our social security system. more young workers paying into the social security him in will ease that. >> we have this huge amount of money that is going to be coming into the social security program and coming into the medicare program, which candidly helps people in this nation because it makes those programs more solvent. >> neil: it sounds good on paper. right? until you actually take a pencil to paper and do the math. does that hold water? a report by the, a wear for social security came out after the senate vote on immigration and paints a very, very different story, and takes a lot of presuppositions and blows them up. byron york is keeping track. a lot of this ain't so. >> this is really complicated. during the immigration debate in the senate, the congressional budget office came out with a report that said, wow, immigration reform is going reduce the deficit over the next

ten years, and they found that the reason -- it would actually create a deficit but would result in a huge new bonanza of social security taxes coming in from newly legalized immigrants are who are mostly young paying into the system. so it does create this big sur plus short term but they get older, and what this found was immigration reform would be a small plus for social security but not a lot. for example, social security system is set to go broke in 2033. and they found that if reform were enacted they would go broke 2035. not a big difference. may not be any difference at all because the data has been moving around. >> neil: never the same. i am wondering here, the argument for getting this bill law is you take all of this off the book works and put them on

the books and they're paying real taxes and fica and shoring up a system that needs shoring up, the argument seems to be no one is calculating how much that system is going to be costing once they beneficiaries as well. >> part of it you heard senator corker talking just before us. he is suggesting they're going to be paying taxes for the first ten years in which they won't be eligible to receive any federal benefits. we'll see if that is actually the case, if this bill becomes law. but there's lots of moving parts. yes, they will be paying more taxes, but low-skilled, low-wage immigrants in the united states tend to use more in federal services than higher skilled workers. so that will cost a lot. on the other hand, they will have children who will become taxpayers. so, it really affects which will increase the gdp.

it affects the economy in a whole lot of ways and there's no real way to say, oh, this will be a big, big plus, or a big minus. >> neil: we know from the history of these, what starts out at one cost, rises rapidly. byron, thank you very, very much. the healthcare law. very, very good example of that. meantime, forget hikes on the holidays. are more airlines hookups leaving you on the hook every day? >> i think that's really hard when you want to go places as family and you have to pay a higher price. [ male aouncer ] it's 7am and steve is already thinking about tomorrow.

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and how it could potentially crush the competition for the flying public. one of the reasons the attorneys general involved one of the reasons why lawmakers in washington have been conducting antitrust reviews. attorney general of texas, greg abbott, joined a dozen 0 states over fears they're states could lose air service or possibly a hub when the two carriers combine. the biggest question all along has been, what will this do for ticket prices and passengers certainly talking about that. they want to know how this will affect their pocketbooks the next time they go to hop on a plane. >> if they don't have as many people to compete against, they're going to be able to charge and it the consumes won't have as much power. they won't have as many options. >> fewer companies means less competition but we see new

entrants into the space. so, if there's a better carrier or more viable carrier, that's better for travelers. >> a lot of focus, a lot of concerns at reagan national airport just outside of d.c. members of congress have said that when combined, the new american airlines would occupy 70% of the total gates there, at a congressional hearing last month a ceo of us airways said if the carrier had to give up gates at reagan it would mean fewer flights in small to medium sized markets. american airlines said from day one its corporate headquarters in dallas-fort worth and the hub at dfw airport would not be affect it but a lot of question about what happens in phoenix where us airways is

headquartered. >> thank you very much. >> neil: they team up, you lose out. airline watcher says watch out. watch out for what? >> much higher fares. higher fees, which we are already seeing from the airlines. i just had to change my flight to chicago to be on today, and i got whacked with a $200 change fee, plus the difference in fare. so i hope you appreciate me coming on. >> neil: now because there's less competition you could argue these airlines are going to do this a lot more, and you really have no alternative. >> yeah. the airlines lost tons of money over the years. they have led with the lowest price online, they've back-ended all the fees and now you have 85% of the carriers controlling -- i'm sorry -- four carriers controlling 85% of the flights so you have less competition, therefore higher prices and higher fees. >> neil: they're not making as much money in the collective sense but thanks to the fees

they're taking in millions from those. am i led to belief that if there are fewer of them, we're going to see a lot more of these fees? >> the strategy is simple. because of the internet the consumer can see the price and by putting the fees on the back enit's more difficult to comparison shop. so you're go to see more fee and i was they can add more fees they will, until it gets to the point where the consumer pushes back. or another carrier combs in -- comes in and competes against them on certain routes. at some point it makes a business sense for a low-cost carrier to come in and compete against a legacy carrier, mega carriers. >> right now the airlinesser in driver seat or pilot's seat and the world is their oyster because they know we have to fly. but there's just one slowdown away from seeing the tables turn. when its comes to how they treat their customers, they're not getting very high marks.

who stands out? >> well, it's gotten more and more frustrating. i got to tell you the carrier that do the best in terms of customer are the foreign flag carriers. flyingses to asia, it's a pleasure to board these planes and get taken care of on a long-haul night. >> neil: are you traveling coach or first class or does it make a difference? >> i've done all of the above and i got to tell you it's superior in all categories. i think what you're seeing in the domestic carriers, they're making a move to provide better service and a financially stable airline system will allow that. the question is whether they'll deliver. >> neil: it is a miserable experience for people. dread they long lines and we're spotted to be excited they might consider using sniffing dogs. i don't see it getting much better. we just have to deal. >> the demand is up and that's

why prices are up, and supply and demand, and the headaches with the tsa so flying has become a headache. so that's why cruise lines, put cruise ships up and down the coach. you can go on vacation by going on a cruise right down the street from your office and that is working well for the cruise industry and a lot of the drive destinations are seeing a bump because people are choosing to drive instead of fly. >> neil: always good seeing you, mark. sorry for the $200. no, we're not going to reimburse you but thank you very much. say it ain't snowden. now he is blasting the president for thrashing his right to asylum. after all the weeks is that argument weak? dad. how did you get here?

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>> neil: looks like snowden's go nowhere to god-en.

the nsa liker is going off and taking anyone he can down with him. blasting the administration as claiming it is illegally denying his right to asigh him but after tall the leaks does he have that right? our leaguele eagles are here. >> i think he does have the right, but i think that his concern is that the united states has not given him his due process to say, we're revokeing your passport so he is stuck in russia. as far as the other countries stating they won't give him asylum-that's their decision and i don't think the can blame the u.s. for that and he is charged with a serious felony. >> is the u.s. making that more difficult for him? >> for sure. our view irbelieves -- the other countries are saying we won't let you in until you get to our soil. we can't even look at your application for asylum until you get to our soil. >> neil: totally bogus.

>> but he can't get to their soil without a passport. they're not saying we we won't look at your request for asylum because becauseow don't a passport. >> they're just fine as way to say we can't do this. >> i think they don't want to risk damaging business relationswith us and this guy is a thorp in -- thorn in our side. >> i think they're thinking about their own interests and how bad would they look and how horrible would their relations with the u.s. by if they gave them asylum. >> neil: what it is claim that the administration is blocking his efforts? would he need proof we're making calls to -- >> he is not entitled to asylum. he is into thed to certain legal rights and he doesn't lose

citizenship with revocation of his passport. he can come back here and face the music. he don't have a valid claim that these other countries won't grant me asylum. >> even if our government does call presidents of different countries. >> neil: without a judicial order. >> he can't say, the u.s. is coercing them. they make their own decisions and whether they say, don't do this, or he has done this and this to our country, that country's decision. >> neil: something happened, not that vladimir putin can be trusted but his whole demeanor changed saying, we'd love to keep you if you promise not to reveal anymore intelligence information on the united states. sounds lick a crazy excuse but another reason for even vlad to back away. >> something happened and

snowden is feeling extremely, extremely desperate. the doesn't have anywhere to go. stuck in an airport forever. i think he will end up back here. >> who can trust him? he leaked information. neil: passport has been revoked. what does that mean if you're stuck -- you can't go anywhere. >> you can apply for passport -- a spy in the 80s who was -- his passport was taken away and he got one in germany and ecuador. he is actually the predecessor to snowden and the supreme court case that says you can have your passport taken away is cane vs. aggie. he set the stage. he got passports in other states and died in cuba. the other countries. >> neil: cuba is not jumping forward and maybe a lot has ha to with we want to rewin del relations with the united states. >> i think that's what it is. and as far as him being able to

get a passport, he may be able to get one in another country and there's also the only of him getting a one-way back to the united states. >> neil: he comes back here, wanted an lot of stuff. what does he have to look forward to? >> a trial. a purported letter he wrote today he says that he thinks it's -- he faces possible capital charges. he is not. neil until how many counts? >> i think there's only three, neil. 30 years. >> neil: so 28 in. >> he still will have due process afforded to him. he'll have to go to trial and he will -- a jury will hear the facts of the says -- of the case and decide. he won't be set back to the u.s. and tortured and thrown in prison. >> he is trying to compare of

this bradley manning help will be tried in a civilian court north a military court. >> neil: the public sentiment changed. looked like a hero, sounded like a hero. then started revealing more secrets, befriending our enemies and that changed the public view of him. does that change the legal view of him? >> if you have a jury, it could. absolutely could. >> neil: looks like a turncoat. >> absolutely. i wonder if that's not a reason why the government didn't charge him with treason, because treason is a capital offense and that would make it more likely for him to be able to say, you can't send me back to america because of the capital offense. >> i agree. the offense is violating the espionage act and it's not a capital offense, so, itself makes a big difference. >> neil: daniel elsburg lived

on. >> he is not coming across. even his father changed his tone. his father is now writing letters and has an attorney, says he is trying to get him to feel comfortable coming back, calling him paul revere. i said before, i don't see where else he goes and i think his best option is to come back here and face the music and go through our judicial system and see what happens. >> neil: i don't think he'll ever be back here. no. he'll be in the airport. >> he's going to stay in the airport -- >> neil: 103. a sin in the bon out there -- a cinnabon out there. clients are always learning more to make their money do more. (ann) to help me plan my next move, i take scottrade's free, in-branch seminars... plus, their live webinars.

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>> neil: when it com when it comes to the irs scandal, what the president says isn't jiefg with what americans think. a new poll shows half of us don't believe the administration was out of the loop on the irs mess, that it was actually calling the shots in the irs mess. impressions tend to stick. talking about what, if anything, the president can do. >> it is so typical of this guy. he sluffed it off, feigned outrage, said we didn't tell them, he wasn't involved, he is president bystander. what you have to do at some point, you have to explain things, stand for something, you have to do something, speak up. he has a bully pulpit, he should

explain, here is what happened, here is what i don't like. here is how it will change, here is who i will appoint. he has to stop being mediocre. >> is it too late for that, bruce? >> no, it is not too late at all. fraser is right, he has to stand for something. rahm emanuel said it is a shame to waste a perfectly good crisis. here is his chance to be the president for everybody, to say i'm going to fix this, i find it outrageous, we're going to do whatever it takes to solve this problem. >> he promised that when this first came, fraser, to that point, promised a commission will look into it, someone will look into this. then low and behold you find the fbi director didn't know who was investigating this, groups that were supposedly targeted by the irs were never questioned by the investigator. it was all for show, all for theater. >> right. there's nobody inthe irs has ta party and who knows who else. he has to say that's wrong. that should stop.

the irs has spent $229 million on motivational seminars. he has to say that's got to stop. the last thing anybody wants is a motivated irs agent. has he to say this will stop. in other words, he has the bully pulpit but he shrinks from it. that's why for five years, this guy was a great speaker, but for five years, you haven't really heard it. >> bruce, any clarification he tries on this whole scandal raises the issue that his prior comments were either wrong or wanting or lies in a worst case scenario. so he has to move gingerly, doesn't he? or does he? >> i would buy that if i thought people were paying attention and keeping track of this. you're keeping track. you care very much. >> that's a good point. continue, i'm sorry. >> what people want to know is that something is going to happen and something is going to matter. what he's doing now is like peeling the bandaid off slowly,

excruciating. he has to be like the queen of hearts, off with their heads, make a difference, stick to it. this happens in business all the time. companies are caught in problems they may or may not have caused. if they handle it well, they come out of it better than they went in. if they handle it badly or to fraser's point don't handle it at all, that's when they pay the price. >> you just can't fire people willy-nil willy-nilly. >> you can't, but what i think what bruce is saying, this is the president of the united states, he has to be a leader. he is a wonderful man, a family man, a great basketball player, but he's mediocre so far. this is an opportunity just like other things to step up. that's the challenge. >> it is his chance to be a leader and be the president for all of us. i look forward to that actually. >> we seem to be running out of time. the impression seems to be sticking among a lot of americans of all stripes that if he's not out of the loop, he is

a lot more in the loop than he's letting on. >> i think if he wants a legacy other than mediocrity, he has to look in the mirror, say what am i going to be. >> easier said than done, right, chris? >> who would you prefer he go after other than the irs, everybody hates the irs. it is the perfect group for him to go after. >> but could i just say this. i want to be on record, i love the irs. >> they can't do enough good work. keep sending me the letters in all caps by the way. guys, thank you very, very much. well, ed the dread. how did this guy fall so far so fast?

just how good are you? i think it comes down to this. are you worth the hassle? if you're a headache at work, that's what your boss has tow decide, are you worth the hassle. are you so good at what you do

that it makes up for the schmuck you might be? i once knew an executive that was abusivabusive, cursing, rag ass. apparently he made so much money, his bosses didn't care so they looked the other way, until he wasn't making the company so much money, so they stopped looking the other way and just fired him. same with the very popular news anchors who despite numbers their antics, not mine, prove too much and they were no longer worth the hassle and they were gone. from hot to not, faster than you could say good-bye. life is cruel, but edward snowden, wherever you are, heed my words and free advice now. because you are quickly discovering you are just not worth the hassle, that the secrets that have made you a darling apparently don't compensate for the headaches you bring that make your very presence troubling. how else do you explain these countries not rolling out the red carpet for you? you haven't changed, ed, why have they? because they sized up the risk

and rewards of keeping you, ed, and many concluded you're just not worth the grief. that whatever you've got, it doesn't come close to all of the trouble you will bring. after all, a lot of the countries don't flip over us, but sure flip over our dollars, they need our business. and you risk that business, ed, because you're a hassle, ed, you're a headache, ed. they say dead men tell no tales, but never say that very alive and well men that do don't come out much further ahead. either way, you're dead meat, just the same, ed. just saying, ed. sorry, ed. and by the way. since ed began leaking, a lot of folks have been freaking. now old tech icon dell is taking note and trying to take advantage. it is launching a line of what it calls hack free computers. what it is saying is if you don't own a hack free new improved computer, you own a

computer that will hack you. it is so old school. it is like adding retsin, everyone wants it, new and improved. remember that seinfeld? tonight at 8:00 on fbn. hello, i'm andrea tantaros, with eric bolling, bob beckel, dana perino, and greg gutfeld. this is "the five." well, it is day seven of the george zimmerman murder trial where several key witnesses took the stand, including a lead detective on the case, a medical examiner, a fingerprint examiner, and zimmerman's best friend. greta vansusteren has been in the courtroom for today's testimony, joins us from sanford, florida. greta, what stood out to you today? >> reporter: what stood out, the starve the day wasur