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san francisco. >> we want to leave you with a brooklyn tabernacle choir. you can tune in to the after the show show. log in to foxandfriends.com to hear the amazing ensemble. 50 of them behind us. thank you. fox news alert. new details this morning on the crash of asiana flight 214 in san francisco. two girls in china who were on their way to an experience of a typical american summer are instead now confirmed dead. they were the only two fatalities we have so far in yesterday's crash at san francisco international airport. the chinese girls, a consulate says they were on their way to a summer camp in california. remarkably, though, more than 300 others on board survived that crash. and they are all accounted for this morning. good morning on this sunday morning. welcome to america's news headquarters. i'm eric shawn. >> i'm jamie colby. the national transportation safety board, as you can imagine they now have those black boxes
from this mangled boeing 777. and that will give them vital information such as the exact altitude just before the plane hit. and its air speed, if it was coming in too fast. let's take a look at how the whole day unfolded. asiana airlines flight 214 takes off from seoul, south korea at 4:04 p.m. local time yesterday. the flight reaches the runway in san francisco at 11:28 a.m. pacific. it crashes and catches fire. the ntsb immediately dispatches, arriving in san francisco late last night for the investigation to begin. asiana airlines confirming there were 291 passengers on board, including 61 americans. here's one passenger describing the escape from that burning plane. >> in your head you go through emotion. you don't believe it's happening. you don't know if you're going to be dead at the end of this or not. the plane stops.
the person to my left was injured on his head. i think it was punctures. i unbuckled myself. i was hurting, but not too bad. so i just opened the door. and the fuselage of the plane was cracked on the right end side. we managed to open the door. somebody helped me push it out. there were no slides. when i looked outside i could see debris. i could step on a piece of the wing and go down farther. i just told thpeople, we're oka. calm down. >> for the next two hours eric and i will have complete coverage on this crash. we start with adam housely live from san francisco international airport. i know you've been asking a lot of questions, adam. what's the very latest? >> reporter: we were told the ntsb should be meeting about now, in fact. first of all the california team was dispatched within minutes of that crash. we're told they got here quickly, were able to secure the sight, got those black boxes.
those black boxes have arrived in washington, d.c. early this morning the ntsb told us right here on fox they plan ongoing through those, of course, as soon as possible. get as much information as possible. not only is the flight information important but also the communication in the cockpit. they said that helps them really guide this investigation. and it could be as long as a week before san francisco international airport gets back to normal as they go through the fuselage. and as it is removed. that means only two runways are open. those runways don't handle the jumbo jets very well. from going inside the terminal at the international peterminal there's a lot of people sleeping on benches and carts and trying to do what they can to get to their destination as this all continues. meantime we also know there are a number of people in nine area hospitals as far south as stanford, about 15 miles to your south, and as far north as san francisco, about 15 miles to our north. when you hear of the stories of survival, in fact, the ntsb investigators said it's amazing that so many people got off this
plane alive. take a listen to this story of survival by one of the passengers. >> it felt like we were about to land in the water. the guys just totally underestimated. no warning. no nothing. it was just like going down and felt like we were about to go. i was thinking, we'll make it. then we're going back up. i think maybe we're taking off again. we didn't. we went back down pretty hard bump. luckily we stay on the -- we hop in between runways. >> reporter: that story echoed by so many others that were on the plane and survived the crash. of course, there are still people dealing with some very serious injuries. we have two fatalities. two 16-year-old girls from china. they were with a group of 29, all told, counting their teachers. they were flying through san francisco on their way to los angeles for summer camp. we're told some of their classmates were also injured. we don't know the extent of their injuries. a very difficult situation here in san francisco.
could have been much worse. still very tragic for those all involved here. and, jamie, as i mentioned, the ntsb expected to be back on scene here momentarily. they're waiting for the sun to come up. they went back to their hotel for a couple hours to get a little rest, at least. they'll be back out here. we do expect a press conference this afternoon local time where they planned on giving us at least some very preliminary detail details. jamie and eric? >> it will take time, adam, to piece together what happened. meantime the debris field is so close to the water. many airports are in the middle of cities. there could have been many more injuries on the ground, of course. but give us some perspective on where this runway is actually located. >> reporter: well, if you fly into san francisco, and i've flown in here since i was a little kid. we live near here. whether you're coming in on an international flight or from southern california, for example, a lot of the flights will come in and land from the south. heading towards san francisco. if you're to look out your plane window you see candle stick park
where the football team plays straight ahead of you. on the right hand side would be the water of the bay. the left hand side would be the peninsula. a lot of pilots will tell you it's also a difficult -- as airports go, it's a more difficult place to land. you're landing over water. you come down and right away you find the runway. what happened here, we don't know why they were this low. as one pilot from a major u.s. airline told me last night normally that plane would be at least 50 if not 100 feet higher from where it hit in the air still. for some reason that plane was much lower. it looks like -- ntsb said the same thing. looks like the landing gear may have hit first, hitting the jetty that separates the bay from the actual runway. that could have caused the plane to go up. there's a lot of other speculation here. we won't know until the investigation goes forward. it could be pilot error. could be mechanical. it does appear that landing gear hit first. why so many people were able to see this unlike other airports in the country, one, obviously people in the terminal can look out the window and see. but here in san francisco, san mateo, the hills are very close
here and look right down on the runway, right down on the airport. it's one of the selling features for many of the homes here that you can look out over the bay across to oakland but also see all the planes coming in, taking off at san francisco. >> that's not a sight you would expect to see, certainly. but they will get answers by examining where everything is at this point. about the injuries, adam, it is truly a miracle, as you said, that so many people were able to walk off this plane. when you look at the pictures of the fire and the toll that it took on the fuselage, it is just an incredible story. some triaged and treated at the airport. some taken to local hospitals. how prepared were those hospitals for the injuries that they saw and for this disaster that happened in the middle of the day? >> reporter: yeah. some were air lifted out via helicopter as well, jamie. i heard a couple different reports on the radio. i can fetell you from working i this region for a number of years they are prepared for this. especially the hospitals within
the 15 mile radius in all directions from sfo. potentially they could have an accident like this. stanford said, i believe, eight trauma teams up within a matter of 20 minutes to be able to take in patients, stanford hospital to your house. it gives you an idea these hospitals are prepared for this type of thing. they can get those trauma teams up in a hurry. there was triage here. you also had people that were injured that didn't realize it. maybe them internal injuries. a couple of doctors were talking about that. about how maybe a few hours set in before they realized they may have bruised or hurt some things inside because of the very quick and sudden landing and the way they came down so hard and bounced by most accounts. you have people that actually felt they were okay, then started feeling not so well and eventually went to the hospital. you had a number of injuries that range from those type of internal injuries, to people that may have hurt their neck, their back, to cuts, bruises, burns, to critical injuries as well. >> and shock. quick question. the pilots. do we know what kind of condition they're in? they surely will have somes as >> reporter: we're told they're in good condition.
they haven't said much about them. they all had significant flying time. that's what's interesting here. it may not be pilot error. this could have been something mechanical. they could have stalled. there are a lot of different scenarios here. one of the pilots that flies for that major u.s. carrier that lands here all the time was telling me last night there's probably eight or ten different things that could have happened and it could be something as simple as the pilots were over the water, lose perception a little bit and it could have been pilot error or something much more significant when you're talking about mechanical issues with the jet itself. >> all right. you are live. this picture is live. for the next two hours we're going to get answers on our end as well. let people know what they need to know. what might have happened. how everyone's doing. we will certainly check back with you, adam. the doctors will also be here, too, to talk about some of the injuries. and we will learn also how to prevent, if god forbid you're ever in a situation like this, what you can do to try to save yourself. eric? >> one of the most noted pilots in the nation, captain sully
sullenberger, landed his us airways flight safety on the hudson when his small airbus had a flock of birds. he's reacted to this crash today. sullenberger describing some of the difficulties he says pilots face when landing at sfo. here's a quote from him. the faa classified it as a special airport along with other airports worldwide that involve mountainous terrain or other special vachallenges. it is surrounded by water and of course water is a featureless terrain where depth perception can be difficult. there are shifting winds, low visibilities, so there are other things that make it difficult was high terrain just pass it. light winds yesterday when the crash occurred. investigators are considering all aspects. for more on the investigation of what happened and to try and prevent this type of accident from happening again we're joining by former managing director of the ntsb, a veteran of many of these type of investigations. peter, let's start first with the captain and the co-pilot. we heard adam housley say they
seem to be in good condition. when will they be interviewed? what could they say? how important is that interview process in piecing what happened together? >> well, the interview process will likely take place today. the ntsb likes to get to witnesses and participants in these kinds of events as quickly as possible. so they will likely be interviewed today. at the same time, they're going to be checking their work schedules over the past week to make sure that these pilots were not fatigued. that they were ready to do their job. and then as has been mentioned, people are going to listen to that voice recorder and make sure that the pilots performed their checklists correctly and that they were what they call situationally aware. that they knew where they were. they knew what was going on. generally in a landing like this, a visual flight landing, one pilot is handling the controls. the second is calling off the sync rate which is essentially
the altitude. they will check and listen to see that that was taking place in an appropriate manner. so the pilots are going to be important. the voice recorder, more so. >> what does it mean if they weren't synchronizing this? as they say, sterile cockpit, the term meaning just focusing exactly on what your task is at hand. what if the co-pilot wasn't counting down 100 feet, 75 feet, 50 feet? how does that deviate from what happens? >> that's a problem. frankly there was an accident back in 1997 with korean airlines in which the ntsb identified the inability of the pilot and the co-pilot to communicate honestly and effectively as a major factor in that accident. the co-pilot was simply intimidated and did not communicate to the pilot that they were in a difficult situation. and that is an issue that
airlines, all airlines, deal with. how do you get both of those highly trained people in the cockpit participating in critical decision making. >> when you see what we just have on the animation of what potentially could have happened, maybe hitting the seawall, that breaking off the tail, indicating that they were too low, and you talk about the communication between pilots, remember what happened in tanner reef? where the veteran klm 747 pilot just took off and he didn't know there was another plane on the runway? how do you communicate better? what happens? and has that been improved? >> it -- it takes training. part of it -- part of it is training. but part of it is also culture. as you pointed out in the tenner reef accident, the pilot of the klm plane was one of the most senior, chief pilots in the airline. he was tired. he wanted to get off the ground. he wasn't going to listen to what the first officer said. and that is an issue that all
airlines deal with. because you have a personality type that you want in the front of the plane. people who can make decisions. people who can function under pressure. but at the same time, you want both pilots participating. because sometimes you can make a mistake. >> the airline says they were veteran pilots. but we've had this problem in the past. as you say, avianca, 1990, they ran out of gas. there was a problem with english. they didn't declare the proper emergency. do you think that could have played any type of part in that they were too low and didn't pull up or -- or initiate enough thrust in time? >> listen, these aircraft that are flying today are such extraordinarily safe machines that the attention has to be placed now on the human factors. and the ntsb is going to be having a human factors working group. they will look at this carefully. and if the plane -- you know, the data recorder that they recovered yesterday records hundreds of different activities that the plane is making at any
given time. they will look at that to see if the plane was performing as it was instructed. and if it was, then they're going to zero in on the flight crew. >> you talk about the plane performs as it was skruinstruct. there's a report the glide path has been off. that glides the planes down. these things can almost automatically land by themselves. do we know if it was the visual approach or if the computers were landing the plane? and how does that play a part in what happened? >> i think we do know that it was a visual approach. and that there was a notice that had been issued by the airport saying that the glide path was off. and it was going to be off for a period of time for repair. but the glide path alone, that's simply one of a number of devices that the -- that the flight crew uses to assist them in landing. and, you know, there are hundreds of landings that were taking place on that runway without the glide path that did not run into trouble. so i think we'll move beyond
that fairly quickly. >> something that is really eerie, let's take a look at tape from 2008. same plane. 777. heathrow. british air lands just short of the runway. that was caused, they believed, by ice pellets that clogged the fuel line. the engine suddenly couldn't get any fuel and it slammed right down on the heathrow runway just short of that. very similar to this. any possibility, you think, that the same thing could have happened? do we know what type of engines there were on this plane? they apparently corrected what happened at heathrow. >> yeah. the engines at heathrow were rolls-royce trent engines. and you're right. they determined that it flew through a really severely cold portion of the atmosphere. and it was a very complex investigation. they'll look at this as well. but i think -- i think they'll move on from that. but certainly they will look back at flight 38.
at that investigation. and see if there were any similar tipoffs that something was happening in the engines where they weren't responding the way the pilots requested. >> peter, finally, when do we get the final answers? how long does this process take? when will we know a definitive cause of what happened? >> i think what will happen you'll see a series of what they call factual reports that will be issued periodically over the next six weeks to two months. then it's likely that the ntsb will hold a public hearing on this accident. and then a report within a year or 18 months. i mean, one of the big issues here and one of the real stories is the survivability. that the flight attendants and the cabin crew were able to get 305 people off this badly damaged plane is extraordinary and a testament to the design of the aircraft and to the training of the flight crew. >> absolutely. we salute and our hats off, of
course, to the crew, the flight attendants who were able to do that with a minimal loss of life. sadly, those two girls may have been ejected when the plane broke apart in the tail. but right you are, peter, about the professionalism of our flight crews. peter goelz, thanks so much. good to see you as always. not under these circumstances. but terrific insight this morning. >> a lot of people always ask themselves after disasters like this, why me? why was i on that flight? someone today is asking, why not me? and thank god. word this morning facebook chief operating officer sheryl sandburg was supposed to be on that flight. she and other top facebook execs were returning from a business trip in korea. they landed just 20 minutes after the crash at that same airport on another airline. they had switched flights at the last minute to use frequent flyer miles, they say. sandberg writing on facebook taking a minute to be thankful and explain what happened. my family, colleagues, debbie frost, charlton gholson and
kelly hoffman and i were originally going to take a asiana flight that just crash landed. they are saying their prayers and thanks today. we are continuing this morning to follow this developing story in san francisco. coming up, we'll be telling you how to make flying safer and what we all should do the next time we walk down that gateway, take our seats, and sit down for our next flight. >> nearly 200 people are hospitalized as a result of this devastating crash. the doctors will be with us to tell us about how severe the injuries are and what happened after this impact happened. >> went to work right away. applied foam and water to the fuselage. when we had arrived on scene, the chutes had already been deployed. there were multiple numbers of people coming down the chutes and actually walking to their safety. having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber good gummies. they're fruity delicious! just two gummies have 4 grams of fiber! to help support gularity!
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they were too low too soon. so this is the runway. it came in like this. and i was just watching the wheels and it just hit like that and the whole thing just collapsed immediately. it never really had a chance. >> too low. and they never really had a chance were the words of that witness. chilling words describing what happened to asiana flight 214 yesterday at sfo. fox news now has learned that federal investigators have recovered both of plane's black boxes and those have been sent to the labs in washington. investigators, of course, will analyze the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder that will probably give them a lot of clues about what potentially went wrong. those recordings document air speed, ail tlaltitude, a plate'
attitude. investigators also hope as peter goelz told us earlier it is standard procedure in these investigations to try to interview the pilot and co-pilot and the rest of the crew later today. all this as the airline's president says the pilots are veterans and he says engine failure not the likely cause. the 777 slammed into the runway yesterday morning about 11:30 in the morning pacific time, breaking off its tail and catching fire before slamming to a stop. survivors used emergency slides to escape the debris and the billowing smoke. the chinese government identifies the two passengers who were killed as both 16-year-old teenage girls who reportedly were sitting in the back of the plane. they may have been ejected when it hit that seawall. they were part of a group of about 20 who are going -- planned to attend a summer camp here in the united states in california for the summer. more than 180 other passengers, though, survived and are recovering from injuries. at last check, though, 49 of the
passengers who were on board that plane are still in critical condition. our other top story today, the major uncertainty surrounding the future of egypt after the ousting of the nation's first democratically elected government after only a year. today on fox news sunday, two prominent senators share their thoughts on what needs to happen going forward. >> our role right now is to be one of applying calm, trying to get our partners in the region to do the same thing. obviously, there's been a lot of problems in egypt for a lot of time. people are frustrated with that. our role should be to help in every way we can to preserve a more calm atmosphere as they try to move through this very treacherous environment right now. >> the military has to make clear what their timetable is. and they have to move to be inclusive. one of the problems with morsi, he was increasingly exclusive. he was increasingly
authoritarian. and that view is not going to work for the people of egypt, nor is it going to work for the united states. >> and joining me now, john roberts, in for chris wallace this week on fox news sunday. good to see you, john. >> good morning. good to see you, too. it's been a while. >> we had double boxes yesterday with the pro-morsi and the anti-morsi protesters. and the crowds may be a little less today. nevertheless, a lot of people there on both sides. where do these folks see this going? >> well, i mean, the only thing right now that's certain about egypt is the uncertainty as to where this is going. and you just don't know. will there be more violence like there was on friday? will elements of the muslim brotherhood and islamic militants take a greater hand in protesting what has happened in egypt? which more and more people, including ambassador john bolton, who was a frequent visitor on this network, say obviously was a military coup. and how should the u.s. respond to all of that? senators corker and reid say as you say there the best thing the
u.s. can do is try to be a calming influence. that may work with one side. certainly the other side's not likely to listen to anything that the united states has to say. >> what about funding? the funding that we give fact that there's so much uncertainty that if we continue to be as generous, do we even know to whom the money will go? >> you have a pretty good -- pretty reasonable assumption that the money will go to the egyptian military. because they had been the main beneficiaries of usa. here's the thing that you have to consider. there is a section in the foreign relations act that states that if a democratically elected government is overthrown in a military coup, it automatically triggers the cessation of u.s. aid. which is why you've not heard the president yet say this was a military coup, though for all intents and purposes most people will tell you that it is. because if he says the word "coup" he has to cut off aid to egypt. if he cuts off aid to egypt a lot of that money goes to uphold
the terms of the agreement of the camp david accords between egypt and israel. if you take away the money from the egyptian military, might they not then hold up their end of the bargain? it's a very slippery slope here when it comes to u.s. aid in egypt. which is why you're seeing the white house reacting very carefully even when prominent senators like pat leahy and john mccain are saying you've got to stop the money because it was a coup. >> i want to take the rest of my time with you to promote the rest of your show. you're in again for chris. john roberts, have a great show. you've got quite a lineup. always good to see you, john. not only that exclusive interview with senators bob corker and jack reid on fox news sunday, but john also sitting down with texas governor rick perry to discuss the battle going on over abortion. it's raging in his state. that is sure to be a can't miss interview as well. it airs at 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern only on fox. we're continuing our coverage this morning of the
crash of asiana flight 214. you know, most got out, but f j tragically two did not. after the deadly plane crash what lessons can we learn the next time we step on board and fasten our seat belts? what should we look for? where should we sit? how do we help our chances of survival if tragedy happens to strike? an expert will give us important key advice you won't want to miss, next. >> we're going to count the rows from now on to the exits. nearly 200 people are hospitalized after that crash. and all of them are lucky to be alive. not out of the woods yet, though. so we have the doctors coming in with the type of injuries, how that triage took place, how much of a miracle it is that so many survived.