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the u.s., or maybe not. that does it for "studio b." "your world" is coming up next. >> despite efforts to brush it under the rug the irs targeting scandal is back and back big. >> the white house wanted us to do, if we did what the ranking member suggests we do, this thing would be over. nothing here. don't do it. as far as i'm concerned it's over. when you have the spokesperson for the president of the united states, make a definitive statement, that it was two rogue agents and start poking at these people, who have no power to do anything about it, that is wrong. how dare anybody suggest that
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we're at the end of this. this is the beginning of this. >> well, i'm in for neil cavuto. this is your your. now we know, washington was involved in the irs targeting scandal and wasn't just some rogue agents in cincinnati as the white house claimed. >> there were line employees at the irs who improperly targeted conservative groups. >> because today one of those rogue agents testified she was told to coordinate with her higher-up in washington on tea party cases. this guy, former irs tax specialist cater hull, hull says he was told to forward his recommendations to the office of chief counsel at the irs. to mike emanuel in washington. all these pieces are coming together. i. >> carter hull, a 48 year veteran of the irs was a critical witness. he talk about how there had always been standard way of handling these cases at the irs,
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until there was that meeting with the irs general counsel. check out this exchange. >> i just think it's disgraceful that we're squandering this opportunity to get to the bottom of this because of partisan bickering. one group trying to blame the president. the other one trying to defend themselves that progressives were also being targeted. i think it's very unfortunate. i think the root of this matter is people who were critical of the way this government is being run were being targeted, regardless of what the source of their complaint was, they were being targeted as u.s. citizens by the irs. >> that was lawmaker talking about the partisan bickering going on at the hearing. he lectured both sides, saying it was important to get to the bottom of this. the hearing is stick ongoing. the treasurery inspector general who did the investigation into the irs has been on the stand
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more recently, but as i mentioned earlier we also heard some reference to how things were handled at the irs up until the tea party change in procedures. take a listen to this. >> just for the other side, the recommendations were split you said one group should be approved for tax exempt status and one should be disapproved and get further information. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and they give them to someone who had no experience doing this and also took them away from you after, according to your testimony, you met with the chief counsel roz office. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> it is unclear where this investigation will go from here but of course a lot of republicans are jumping on the idea that the chief counsel of the irs may have delayed some of the tea party applications because that is one of the political appointees at the irs. eric? >> thank you, mike emanuel. >> take a listen to this exchange with former irs lawyer carter hull.
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>> did either of you think it was strange the type of questions they were being asked? some pretty unusual questions, like donor information. did you think that was inappropriate? >> i think they were inappropriate and when i learned of that, i did talk to somebody and say, that question should not be asked. >> to jay, representing 41 of those conservative groups. sounds like the directive was coming from higher and higher places, up the ladder. does the testimony help your case? >> well, it does. we have alleged from the beginning this was not a couple of rogue agents in cincinnati. my first job oust law school was the office of chief counsel of the internal revenue service in the strict office in atlanta. and i knew how howe the system operates and it has not changed much in 30 years. you have levels of review. when it gets to the chief coup's office in washington, dc, for
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them to get involved in the tax exempt case you're talking about the rare times they did, maybe when there's a case going the supreme court of the united states. but other than that, for them to get involved in individual tax cases and coming up with their own templates and own records is ridiculous,s about as ridiculous as the irs's offer to our client and others saying we'll give grew expedited review if you will not exercise your full rights under the interrevenue code and the united states constitution. we filed yesterday -- this is what our response yesterday to the irs offer for basically a settlement of the 41 cases. our clients have been pending for almost three years. this is a sample of seven of the responses that have been given. you're talking about thousand office pages of parent, and the irs comes back with, if you'll just sign these two additional requirement wes'll give you a view. we are saying, do your job and get this resolved. but you have a direct link
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between an irs senior lawyer to the chief coup's office. this is just the beginning of, and the white house could spin this any way they want but an appointee is the commissioner of ther is and is the chief counsel. this office is run by a political appointee, and now you have people that were the charge of this for years, decades, actually, saying there were never questions like this, this is inappropriate, not the way it should be conducted. i objected to the questions the chief counsel's office were coming up with, which we objected to, too. it strengthens our case. >> jay, we heard -- remember lois lerner, one of the chief irs officials, raising the right hand saying, i'm pleading the fifth here bus i don't want to incriminate myself. and darrell issa yesterday was asked whether she would testify. we weren't sure he wasn't sure. what are you hearing? >> i think they should seriously look at giving her immunity.
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if you heard just the testimony from carter hull today and he talked about lois lerner a couple of different times, but i think what you have is, you give her immuno going to find out a lot. she'll sing like a bird. aphrase we use in the law. when someone entity immunity from prosecution, are they going tell the truth? she was not the sole person making these decisions. this was reviewed by people way over here. the chief counsel of the irs is way over lois lerner -- >> hold on -- >> toll -- >> we're trying to follow this trail. doves the trail end at the white house? >> well, we know that the white house counsel and the deputy chief of staff of the white house knew about this before the report came out. we know that for a fact. at it hard to believe -- this is a question i'm going to find out in discovery -- why did the commission of or internal
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revenue service make so many visits to the white house. >> the difference here being whether they knew about it. that's one thing. whether it was a directive from the white house, that's completely different can of worms, is it not? >> well, sure it would be, and you don't have that evidence yet. but you're on a path, and i think that fair to say too take another step up oladder of cup ability at liar -- at higher levels how much far in the white house, going to be determined by the facts. we talk about facts and circumstances and the fact is the irs was supposed to be reviewing applications under a facts and circumstances test and they violate the civil righted and constitutional rights of the individual groups here, and remember this. i'm not a fan of eric holder. eric holder said there may have been criminal conduct. he said the fbi needs to be investigating the irs.
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when you look at this and ask yourself -- the white house counsel was ware of what was going on turneds the end of this and now we know the white house appointed chief counsel of the irs, his office took these cases over. their narrative the white house has put out does not work and is being proved inconsistent, illogical, and frankly, -- >> we want to talk about the inspector general being grilled by the democrats. a little more political than a search for answers. we ran out of time. good luck with the lawsuit. >> thank you. >> you know very well because you heard from people that when they talk about applications and groups, these folks have names and faces, some of them live in my district, some of the individuals that waited a very, very long time to get responses. >> one of those names and one of those faces, is with the tea party and knows what it's like
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be tarringed by -- targeted by the irs. what was that like? what did you to through? >> personally we went through an actual personal audit of our business and personal taxes, and when the lady called she said it was in response to our involvement with the cincinnati tea party. so, it was never really a question of whether or not we were being targeted. she said net the first statement what you're seeing today is in the testimony from the lady from cincinnati and from mr. hull, was that this thing was systemic. it was baffling to the people who had been doing the job forever and it was obvious that this was a new class of treatment for people. the tea parties and the patriots. >> so what does targeted mean. you applied for 501(c)(4), i believe. what was the pushback? tell us about it. >> our group specifically was told by our lawyers don't bother filing right few because the irs isn't granting any. but in my talking with the ohio
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liberty coalition and people who testified in the previous hearing, i have seen their applications and their line of questions, and clearly it's kind of obvious. if you look at the first round of questions that came into the group, they look logical. questions about your political involvement. whether or not you participated in campaigns. it's not until they submitted the answers to those questions and then a second round of questions came out, which today we found out came from d.c., that you were getting into things like tell us your donors, vendors, anybody who attend order speaks at your meeting, the content of your prayers and why are you associating with people like thomas? it wasn't until the second round of questions that things got out of hand, and i think you're seeing from the testimony that is when d.c. got directly involved and started taking control away from the cincinnati office. >> mer brenman, the fbi says they're investigating. have you heard from them? >> no have not.
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and i'm not aware of any group that has yet from the tea party side. >> we have to leave it there. thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. >> you're look at the 78 -- dow finishing on a tear, i believe, yet another new high. >> imagine seeing this done to your son, and then months later, the rock star treatment. meet the mother who has a message for "rolling stone." the great outdoors...
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>> one suspected bomber, one "rolling stone" cover two brothers react. each lost a leg in the boston bombing attack. just some of what they have to say to "rolling stone." what you did with your incredibly poor decision is
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weaken stream good built from unimaginable evil. we're two brothers, one nation, standing strong, boston room, and no room for magazines intended on highlighting evil, hate, and death. liz norden is their mother and says this cover is tearing open wounds for not just her son but for all victims. liz is on the phone from boston. so, we're talking about this, wondering if we could get you on camera, but the producers tell me you're running from doctor appointment to doctor appointment. you have two sons, each lost a limb. >> yes. >> tell me how you felt when you saw that "rolling stone" cover. >> it's just disgusting to me. when i saw that it was really personally upset. to me, it's -- i watch my kids on a daily basis do things they couldn't do -- do things they could do before, and it's mind
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boggling to me. they hit it on the head, what he said, truly, i say come to my house, watch what my kid goods through every day, and then tell me how they could do that. it's just beyond any words. >> liz, can you tell us about j.p. and paul's emotion when they saw the cover and their reaction? >> i have to can honestly say they haven't really said much about that day. their focus is on staying focused on getting them back to the new normal. and i'm angry. our lives have been turned upside-down, and nothing will if be the same, and most people can go on with they're daily lives like nothing happened, but the rest of us or reminded every day what happened. >> i want to talk about the cover. it's a picture -- some would say
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it's a glamor shot of a bomber, accused murder, and underanything it, in theer corner, how a popular promising student was failed by his family. failed by his family? talk to us about family. >> definition of a family, my kids generally love each other, and they would do for each other and just is -- i don't know. i don't understand how i -- i watched the mother on the news, and it makes no sense to me. i -- it just opportunity make any sense to me whatsoever. and the -- go ahead. >> talk to the people who -- kids may be looking at the cover and say i'd love to be on the cover of "rolling stone." if i do something bad, maybe i he can get on the cover. talk to those kids and those
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families. >> i just -- like say, to anyone, people think that the situation is -- come to my house and see what my kid goes through daily, just to see how my family has been destroyed, and i can't imagine what the other families are going through, and it's just sickening to me to think that "rolling stone" can make money by putting him on there. >> "rolling stone" say, in essence, we're adhering to a tradition of journalism. your thoughts on that type of journalism. >> why don't they put boston police or the people that saved money boys' lives, putting tourniquets on the victims. that's journey rhythm. put on people who deserve to be on there he does not deserve to be on there. >> liz norden, our prayers to your sons, j.p. and wall, and
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your whole family and everyone who has been faked by the person on the cover of "rolling stone." >> opposition mounting so the presidents touting his healthcare law again. hmm...fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that. well, did you know some owls aren't that wise? don't forget i'm having brunch with meghan tomorrow. who? meghan, my coworker. who? seriously? you've met her like three times. who? (sighs) geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know.
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>> it's official. detroit is now the largest city in u.s. history to file for bankruptcy. the state appointed an emergency manager kevyn orr, just asking a federal jugate mission to place detroit into chapter 9 bankruptcy protection. >> president obama surrounding himself with fans of the healthcare law. did you notice who was not there? the 22 house democrats who just voted in favor of delaying the
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individual mandate and the union bosses who just blasted the effects of his law. and my next guest, louisiana state senator who used to be a democrat but says the healthcare law helped turn him into a republican. how did i do in louisiana? >> said perfectly. >> tell us about the healthcare law. one of the things that drove you from democrat to the right side. >> yes, the -- >> when i say right, i mean right of center, of course. >> absolutely. one of the state senators in the democratic party said that anyone who didn't like obamacare would only not like it because they would be a racist. that was just an atrocious thing. my mother, who is 104 in a couple of weeks, called me on the telephone and said, you can't be part of this. you have to get out of there. >> talk to us about that. are you surprised to she the unions who were so in favor of getting obamacare pushed
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through, helicopter president obama get the he gays legislation, now saying, hmm, not sure we want to be part of that. >> not surprised at all. they were asked to make a sacrifice they didn't really understand. when the found out how great the sacrifice is, they wanted to get out of it. and a lot of other people will do the same thing. >> you have written, i've heard it, you said the democratic party is ignoring the problems facing the black community. what do you mean? >> let's use immigration as a perfect example. if you bring 30, 40 million new americans, 80% of those people will be poor. they will move into the poor neighborhoods of america. the impact of 20, 30 million new americans, on housing, on schools that are already poorly performing, on hospitals that are already overcrowded, on social security system that is already threatening to cut
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become on the money they're paying to seniors. all of those institutions will have a lot of difficulties swallowing, accepting, 20, 30, 40 million new people. the president is leading the stampede to get these new votes without considering the impact on the black community. the democrats, who owe us so much, are paying not even attention to us. >> are we just growing the welfare state? >> yes, we are. yes, we are. this should be the land of opportunity. and without considering and making sure that opportunity is available to the people who are here, and then the new people who come, it's just all a matter of votes. get some more votes. we want 20 million, 30 million new votes. and doesn't care about what will -- the impact be on americans. >> in his first term, president
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obama seemed to want obamacare to be his legacy legislation. people remember president obama fo obamacare do you think he still wants that to be the case? >> think he still wants those by his legacy. the thinks this will be his great is historical -- his note in the history books. when started obamacare he did so without looking at insurance companies, without looking at pharmaceutical companies. although those who industries account for more than half of all healthcare costs. you cannot reform an industry, a system, by leaving out more than half of it from the sacrifices. fell instead on businesses and on workers and healthcare providers. now, the unions are saying, no, not on workers. too much sacrifice. >> got you. we're going to leave this, my friend. louisiana state senator.
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thank you, sir. >> my pleasure. >> back to detroit. the biggest u.s. municipal bankruptcy in history, how big of a deal this really is. this is big news. >> it's huge news. if you want to become that detroit, michigan -- and i'm from clevelanding ohio so very similar -- in 1950, detroit had a population of 1,850,000. today the population is a little over 650,000. the income tax came into michigan in 1970 under governor romney and this state has literally imploded. the first of many that will happen because you couldn't get the unions to agree to get rid of the pensions, and the only way you can have authority over them is if you declare bankruptcy, and it's happening right now. this is not the last, by the way. >> so what is the ripple effect, art? all those bondholders and all the investors in the city of detroit. what happens? >> that it watched to do was make the bond holders pay all of
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it and lose everything and keep the pensions going and that agreement wouldn't come about. so, that's why they had to go into bankruptcy and do their settlement. i don't know the end result but all cards are on the table right now as to what will be done to bring the city back to into prosperity, and it's going to take a long time. my hats off too rick snyder. he got michigan to be a right to work state. >> can they -- with this new bankruptcy, thrill be renegotiations of these union contracts. >> of course. >> will the uaw be exempt from it? >> can't be. >> i hear -- i know they can't be. they weren't supposed to be exempt from the auto bailout either and they were learned billioned of dollars. >> that was on a different. the that's when the had the political payoffs from the obama administration to the unions. this is rick snyder, the gov of
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-- governor of michigan, a republican, they control the house and senate in michigan. and they tried to force union in the constitution. they lost on that. that was in the last election of 2012. and now they're a right to work state and now we have -- they wouldn't come to agreement on detroit and now they're in bankruptcy and everything is on the table and it will be a beautiful solution, frankly. we're going to get detroit back if it's possible. >> very good. so we only have half a minute. so basically it's detroit wiping the slate clean. can the state of michigan do the same thing? >> let's hope. so we're a long way off. michigan has so many problems, but it started on the road to recovery, and i think that going to the right-to-work is the first major step, and i think that's a real plus for michigan. >> very good. thank you for joining us. >> does unemployment in america seem higher than this to you? why the guy who used to be the
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>> the government tells us this is the current unemployment rate in america. my next guess says, 10.6 is a more accurate rate and he would know. keith hall, used to be head of the burrough of labor statistics from 2008 to 2012.
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you're almost 3 percentage points higher than the published rate. >> that's right. the unemployment rate is the most closely watched economic statistic, and it's actually highly flawed. it has a testify mission from then 1930s. and it is actually a very crude measure. and it's got two kinds of problems. one, it's too easy to be employed under the definition, and it's too hard to be unemployed. with the first respect it's too easy be to employed because anytime you do any sort of work for pay at all, you're considered employed. so, suppose you're an engineer laid off, you help your neighbor trim a tree you get paid for that, you're re-employed again. that's too easy. and second the up employment part of it. to be unemployed you have to have no work at all, and you have to be actively looking for work. you have to be out there sending out real estate mays, -- resume and interviewing, and people run out of employers to send the
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resume to. they check with all their friends and go into also passive mode where they're changing want ads and waiting to see if something pops up. that's not considered active enough but they just become jobless. not unemployed. >> let's talk about the number that everyone talks about. we talk about it quite a bit. a way they can kind of fudge the number around. so labor participate. how do they play with that and what does that mean? >> that number seems be awfully active eave month. it's supposed to be current and active. and the problem is that things have changed, and people become nonactive even though they really want to work, and they're available for work. and if they aren't active enough they get dropped out of the labor force and no longer considered participating. with the recession the participation rate has dropped tremendously. right now we have 11.2 million
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people who are considered unemployed. i think a more reasonable number is 18 million people who should be considered unemployed. >> and that labor participation group left the labor force, which keeps the unemployment rate artificially low. >> that's right. that's six million difference there, and you put those back into the unemployment rate and you're talking about something nearly a throw percentage point higher than it is right now. this is a real disconnect. if you look at something simple like the employment ratio, which the numbers i actually perform what share of the population has a job. that number went from 63% before the recession, to 59.4% at the end of the recession. since the end of the recession that's dropped to 58.7. so a small percentage of the population is now working. yet the unemployment rate went from 10% down to 7.6%. >> give us a sense of the it?
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employment, where people are going from jobs, from -- and jobs to? >> a lot of the recovery has been fairly broad. hasn't been great anywhere. we haven't had really strong growth anywhere. we're still down a lot of jobs in manufacturing, down a lot of jobs in construction. the real thing is we just aren't getting enough strong enough job growth to keep up with population growth in particular. so, a lot of the people who aren't being counted are young workers and that's a real problem. young workers now are coming out, people under 25 years old, for example, right now, they're way overrepresented in this uncounted job group i'm talking about. >> keith hall, thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. >> first soda, now escalators the new york's latest target to get people fit has been throwing one instead.
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welcome back.
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moodies, the rating agency, just affirmed the u.s. -- their rating for the u.s. stays at triple-a and changes the outlook for the u.s. from a negative to stable outlook. a little bit of good news there first salt, then soda. now stairs. new york city mayor michael bloomberg is making them the focus of his latest health kick, asking buildings to place signs to urge people to take the stairs instead. has he gone too far? he says people should be taking the stairs but this attorney says the mayor should take a hike. come on, laura. >> he is saying, just put a sign that there's a staircase. maybe don't want to be so lazy you can take them you. can still take the elevator. >> michelle you got a point. what's wrong with suggesting the stairs? >> i have enough guilt when i want to take a doughnut.
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how i have to feel guilty about taking the elevator? you can't make a left turn on 34th street, you can't get a large soda no salt no trans-fat. i'm not awill youd to go prom point a to point b while the mayor this mayor. >> this is an easy one. sign that says take the stairs instead of the ex-late for or elevator, as opposed to the stupid buckrakes on eve state -- bike racks on manhattan. >> get those away from huh. try to find the bike rack at point b, which is another problem. >> all right. >> the bike racks-different. >> i'm been trying to drive with the-buckrakes and i don't know how much they're play-ing. issue the stairs are different. i feel like is complaining so ingrained in being a new yorker we have to complain even when the object of the complaint is putting up a sign that might
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help us be healthier? >> a bod of work, the body of work. it's salt, it's sugar, it's 16-ounce sodas, now the stairs? >> isn't this what we want politicians to do? >> no. no. >> visions they think is going to make the place better and do what they and can if we don't like their plan for making it better, then we elect somebody else. >> michelle i like the politicians to stay out of my personal life. >> absolutely. and stop trying to make me sweaty everytime i want to go to a meet can. between taking the stairs and riding a bike. i'm going to look like a wreck. >> are you r saying the mayor likes sweaty people? >> apparently he does. >> is he in good shape? >> he says he is. i'm not convinced heel. always in a suit. >> he is skinny. the says he takes the stairs all the time and even jogs a little in the elevator. >> new york viewer, if you see the mayor drinking big soda or
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riding an elevator, take a picture. he has guaranteed himself a world of grief. >> i'd like to see him try to find the city bike rack after he finished his trip. that's the challenge. it doesn't seem efficient. the bikes don't seem efficient. >> what's next? >> i feel like he is downgrading alt is a ban. this is, consider taking the stairs. >> unicycle. just become a circus. >> he closed times square for traffic. >> you can't move. >> when is his term up? >> might want to have a conference with chris christie. >> we have to live it there. from health kicks kicks to healh tricks. are you going to start throwing back more beers because of the nutrition label? what's up, adam? you're partaking? >> no. we're still at work, so -- and
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doesn't open until 5:00. so we're closed. a few years ago you find packages liking the without a nutritional label and now they're on just about everything you buy in the grocery store, and some people make think argument they should be. and feds say the bottle of whiskey should have the nutritional value. the idea is the federal ruling that beer, wines, spirits companies, put the label on the bottles, serving size, calories, carb, fat content. voluntary. people on the street say moe of this stuff wouldn't factor into what they drink. >> having that awareness helps you make better decisions and if drinking is part of your lifestyle, might as well know what you're putting into your body. >> if i knew it was low calorie
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beer i might take instant notice gut after that, not bothered. >> it's better they don't put anything so we can enjoy it. >> the idea to make labels mandatory came to life in 2007. i never happened back then. companies want to advertise the fact they're lower in calories and carbs. beer and winemakers say, it's voluntary, probably won't put it on their bottles. say day it's complicated because different we'res and wines and calorie count, and consumer advocates worry putting the labels on the alcohol might make it seem like it has more true nutritional value than it does. >> fight this every inch of the way. companies don't like to disclose if their products may contain preservatives. flavorings, foam enhancers in beer. all kinds of things that companies use to doctor their products. >> so eric, if a battle of minishing like this, you can
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stick a label on there but bottle of beer? maybe not so much. >> housely, the assign. of the day. >> the assign. of themouth. >> thank you very much. >> this guy exposed the irs targeting. why is he on the hot seat today? is that right? is that fair? >> nothing here. don't do it. at far as i'm concerned, it's over.
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the irs is the one doing the targeting of political groups. why is the guy who exposed the scandal on the hot seat right now? >> we did not go line-by-line to say, this is a progressive group, this is a conservative group. >> how could you find that there was targeting of a tea party group? >> because of the --
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>> because that would have to compare it to something else, because you can't possibly target everybody or else you wouldn't use the word target. if you are targeting, it means you're picking them out. from the universe of groups, or else you were wrong to use the word target as well. >> ma'am, it was because they used tea party. the groups that were highlighted, slash targeted, had the name tea party. >> the bolo listing -- >> to mary katherine. you his ended to some -- listened to some of the testimony. politics or a search for answers? >> don't feel like a search for answers when you're listening to that. democrats came into the hearing going full blast after darrell issa, a little more understandable, but turning fire on the ig, trying to make it as if he is some sort of republican player in some way? i don't under that because if he
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were, wouldn't he have released the report before the election? he seems like a rational guy that answers the questions strongly, and the head of the irs conceded these tea party words, patriot, were used, almost exclusively to pacific out the groups we sent to the hyper ups and sometimes spent 24, 27 months on the burner. this is pretty clear what was going on, and it does not feel like these folks are interested in making sure the irs doesn't do this again if they're trying to disprove it happened. >> almost feels like air attacking the eg because -- attacking the ig, trying to discredit him before he tells everything he knows. also, earlier, darrell issa asked questions of the quote-unquote rogue agent in cincinnati, who said i'm not a rogue agent. i'm just doing what i was told to do by one carter hall who is an attorney in washington, dc. what do you make of all this?
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>> right. that's'm -- she was in cincinnati and has been a bit insendded about the fact that lois leadershipper and said it was just these guys. she feels like i was taking orders from these folks and trying to get things out the door and she testified being so frustrated that she left the division while these things were still being work out. and people still sort of left to dry. so, it's been interesting to see her. i think some new news has come out. carter hull testified that he got a couple tea party test cases and the chief counsel acknowledge wanted to see those. it doesn't have to be the president for you to say, look, something was going on here. it was at pretty high levels, systemic, and we need to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> how will this be reported in the mainstream media tomorrow? >> yeah. that remains to be seen. i think -- this has been a drip,
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drip, drip. i don't think the press is super excited about justifying what seems to be really the worst fears of some of these tea party groups coming true. it's not their fault the administration played into that stereo type. and actually persecuting them. it's not a story line that too many people are super interested in. it will be reported on and will continue to get more information, and that's hearings go on you can solve the problem without having the entire mainstream media onboard and the important part is make sure people are not violated. >> it's is no too have them on board. >> it would be nice to have some outrage. >> i'm sure the committee would like to get a little air support from the media. >> to help them out in their search for a storyline, eelijah cummings said, we need to get to the bottom of this. so keep digging. >> about a year ago, my wife called me up, i answered the
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phone, she says theirs two irs agents left, said we need to talk to your husband. i thought nothing of it. but a she was freaked out. now i'm wondering, i'm a conservative talk show host. maybe they're targeting me, too? >> i think the idea of irs agents -- i think you're in the minority if that doesn't frequent you out. the idea of anybody showing up is a very powerful agency. has the ability to ruin normal people's lives and to do it effectively as government goes. one of the few things they can do well. so, i think many people are scared of that notion, and the idea they really did abuse their power here is important, and to sort of swing it to the side as the inspector general or darrell issa is drumming this up is unfair to the people. >> i have 15 seconds to say, one over this mose important scandals in history. should he or should he not be on the hot seat? >> i don't think they're asking him really pertinent -- it's fine to question an idea about
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