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tomorrow's shows, senator mike lee on. he's part of the government shut down and what could be a government shut down. and john stossel, bob massi. in the after the show show, suzanne somers. >> we're going to talk about that word again. >> brian: oh, my gosh. >> steve: see you tomorrow. bill: it's 9:00 in the morning in washington, d.c. and ted cruz is still talking. now entering his 18th hour and talking. this is a marathon speech from the texas senator against obama-care. this cart at 2:41 eastern time. >> i intend to speak in opposition to obama-care. i intend to speak in support of defunding obama-care until i am no longer able to stand. bill: apparently he's still able to stand.
rand paul said wear comfortable shoes and apparently he has. martha: i'm martha maccallum. senator cruz has been standing there since yesterday afternoon railing against what he calls a train wreck. he's outlining the problems he sees with washington. >> hard working american families are struggling and their life has become heard and hard her and heard. madame president, the american people want to stop this madness and so do i. we pass million dollar bills. billion dollar bills that nobody has ever read often without voting on it. they call it unanimous consents. it's only unanimous because they
don't let anyone know. this from 3:00 p.m. yesterday. >> will the gentleman yield for a question. >> i'm happy to yield for a question without yielding the floor. >> as my distinguished colleague the senator from texas, questions with regard to this concept to make d.c. listen. >> senators don't often ask for advice from other senators. but i came to make sure you have comfortable shoes on and get something to eat but not eat on television. ted cruz is still talking at this moment. he went on all night long. this one is from 1:30 in the morning. >> it's not threat at night. i'm going to venture to say most members of the senate are home in bed asleep while america
lives the nightmare. if you were listening to the people, we wouldn't be home asleep. if he were listening to the people wee we would be experiencing that nightmare, we would be waking up much like my little girls do sometimes when they have a scary dream. but we would be responding like any child does when your child has a nightmare, you come in and try to make the nightmare go away. here the united states senate caused that nightmare. i'll say standing here after 14 hours, standing on your own feet there is sometimes some pain and fatigue that's involved. but you know what? there is far more pain involved in rolling over. bill: last hour, that last one
was 4:30 this morning. at 8:30, senator pat roberts of kansas you have ad to buy him breakfast. mike i ma emanuel has been up mf the night, too. how is he holding up? >> reporter: he's speaking in complete sentences. he seems to energize when his colleagues join him on the floor to ask questions. pat roberts asked this question. >> how are you doing? >> i thank the senator from kansas, and i'm doing fabulous. >> i saw a black car down in the parking lot with a texas license plate, i figured it was yours.
>> reporter: rand paul asked why president obama is not going on obama-care. bill: he can talk until 12:00 eastern time this afternoon. less than 3 hours from now. even with that all nighter the senate moves towards today. is that right? >> reporter: senate majority leader harry reid put the wheels in motion so there will be a vote on funding the government from october 1-november 15. there has been some name calling because cruz cannot stop the process. here is how he handled that. >> i would note among the congressmen who joined us, congrescongressman amash came te senate to joins.
he join you and me and senator paul in joining what is termed the whacko verse. i'm not sure which alien species that refers, but whichever one it is, it reflects a fidelity to the constitution and a willingness to fight to defend the principles this country was founded on. and i and i believe i can speak for you and rand and congressman amash and others of us are very, very proud whacko birds. >> reporter: he said he would do everything within his power to stop obama-care funding. the process rolls on. but he's giving everything he's got on the senate floor. bill: i don't know if the senator drinks coffee. i don't believe he does.
remember when we were in tampa? remember at the convention in tampa? ted cruz came out -- and no one really knew the guy. we were wondering yes had such a prime time speaking position. he walked across the stage with no notes and no teleprompter and showed his communication abilities. martha: he was a debate chapel at princeton universities, then went on to harvard law school. he's putting all that to the test right now. there were also some lighter moments throughout the course of this. at 8:00 last night ted cruz read dr. seuss' "green ham and eggs."
>> would you like them in the house, would you like them with a mouse in i do not lining them here and there, i do known the like them anywhere. i do like green eggs and ham. martha: there they are in front of the tell vague. what a memory that is for them. that's sent out by his staff. that's catherine and caroline catching it on c-span. it's the first time they were told their bedtime story from the senate floor. >> reporter: senator cruz quoted the hit reality show "duck dynasty." >> millions of americans tune into duck dynasty. jay said redneck rule number one. most things can be fixed with duct tape and extension cords.
bill: you have got to talk about something when you are talking 18 hours. toby keith's courtesy of the red, white and blue to the rebel alliance in "star wars" comparison. martha: senator mike lee stepped in one time with some jeopardy-type questions. >> the device known as a camel's hair brush. do you know what it's made of. >> i yield for that question and curiously enough, i do. you might think camel's hair brush must be made of camels. there are lots of teams, they have hair, surely you can make a brush, i don't know if you can. but a camel's hair brush is made of squirrel fur.
it makes you wonder. if the squirrels apparently have a very bad marketing department. martha: we'll talk to mike lee. we'll ask how he's doing. he's still on the floor with senator cruz. we'll find out what's going on. bill: you have got this battle with ted cruz and mike lee on obama-care. now you have got the threat of the possibility of a government shutdown come next tuesday. we believe this legislation will ping-pong back from the senate back to the house. but how long the house has to amended that legislation. martha: the republicans might yield the rest of their time to get it back to the house to find out how they can amended it. meanwhile, five days before the
start of obama-care, we are now learning how much the premiums are going to cost. you heard about the bronze, silver and gold plan, for younger americans, the very people the administration needs to buy into these programs, they could be in for a severe case of sticker shock. stuart varney joins. these are the people being pea peeled to by celebrities and sports figures, because if you don't get all these young people into the told you can't make it work financially. >> reporter: young people will have to pay more than they pay now. breaking the numbers down. in nashville, a 27-year-old neal non-smoker, currently the cheapest insurance they can get is $41 a month. under obama-care that goes up to $114 per month. these are the people they have got to have in the plan. the deductibles. don't have all the numbers. but look at california. you go from mid level silver
tier plan and you have got a $2,000 deductible. if you go for the cheapest plan the deductible is $5,000. plus copay for a visit to the doctor, big payment if you go to the emergency room. it's not cheap, martha, sticker shock. martha: they may be able to pay the fine and not pay any of that. then when they get sick they can sign up. bill: a sharp increase in attacks against christians across the muslim world. martha: senator cruz's attack against obama-care goes on. 19 hours is what he's closing in on at this moment. we'll have a debate on all of it fair and balanced coming up. view * senator rubio and senator
bill: approaching hour number 19, senator cruz laying out some of the problems he sees with the affordable care act. >> mr. president, obama-care was told to the american people if you like your health coverage you can keep it. we know that promise was objectively, 100% false. bill: alan colmes, a radio talk show host' and fox news contributor. you had rand paul doing it. now you have ted cruz doing it. where does it lead, knowing the
rules of the senate where going to cut him off at 12 noon eastern time. >> it leaves the american people appreciating what he believes in. he ran on repealing obama-care, defunding obama care, doing whatever he can to st. paul obama-care. he's taking a stand and teaching the american people about obama-care. if you learn what's in that bill listen to the talk ted cruz has been giving about what's in it. you can't keep your doctors, and senator rubio talked about obama-care crushing the american dream, not allowing for more opportunity. he's saying it will go to the house after this because they will vote to send it back. but this shows that he's willing to stand up for his principles. bill: do you believe for republicans against him, some of them publicly, is this changing their mind, yes or no.
>> no, i don't think it is. bill: it's not changing the argument, not changing the debate, not changing the issue? >> it's change the issue with the american people where it matters. you have an election coming up next year and that's what matters. bill: what about that points, alan, maybe you don't affect things in washington, but you have an effect on the american people. >> his biggest critics are the republicans. i didn't give ted cruz enough credit because he is fantastic at bedtime stories. i should have given him more credit for that. bill: here is what he is debating, and you will hear more of this the coming days in the house. medicare cuts delayed, the employer mandate delayed,
subsidy verification delayed, out of pocket caps delayed. 2,000 businesses and unions get a waiver, congress gets a waiver, a subsidy to pay for their own healthcare. this is the crux of his argument. the law as it is right now set to go in effect tuesday looks nothing liked the law they passed two three years ago. >> i think it's sad that alan would slam ted cruz for a bedtime story. we are talking about a system, an obama-care system that divides people up by class. ted cruz mentioned this, senator rand paul mentioned this, senator rubio mentioned this. all the people in washington with friend in high places get that waiver for this bill when the little people who president obama claims to represent don't. they are the ones losing their
health insurance and unable to afford care under obama-care. >> the waivers are temporary. one of the reasons it's being held us is the republicans put up road blocks. on red state governors they have not implemented the exchanges they were supposed to by the deadlines they were supposed to. they have done everything to stay in the way of this. when you go to the american people and ask what do you like about this? do you like affordability, do you like no punishment for preexisting conditions, yes. bill: when we ask the american people how the i am plem take is going, this is what we find. 57% say it's a joke. >> you know what the american people don't like? they don't like navigators who
aren't going through background checks going through their intimate details. bill: ted cruz will continue his speech. i have got to run. thanks, katie. see you next time. thanks, alan. martha: there is other news going on today. dramatic new video that you have to see of the hostage crisis and the rescue that happened in the mall in kenya and what congress is now acknowledging is a growing global war and christians. plus more on senator ted cruz heading toward hour 19. there is senator inhofe giving him a little breather. but he's going into hour 19. >> i think under no circumstances should members of congress be treated better than we are doing under the law forcing pop millions and millions of americans.
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martha: a deadly terror standoff. a dramatic rescue just a moment ago. seat baby underneath that counter? this is what they have been going through the past several days. a brave stranger stepped in. it's unbelievable what these people have been through. now the president of kenya claims it attackers have been defeated.
the reporters on the scene say they are still hearing gunfire. leland vittert joins us with more. gunshots still being heard. what's going on. >> best we can tell this is protected and clearing fire. every time the kenyan security forces enter another store to insure there is nothing there, they fire into the store. that's what they say this fire is. our source on the ground says there has not been any gunfire heard from the gunmen any time in the past 24 hours or so, confirming what the kenyan president said, that this is indeed over. it is slow going inside that mall. you not only have the potential victims, but also the potential of booby traps .
there is a crime scene investigation team from the united states. it's a step by step methodical process. and the mall has been compromised. because of the big fire they have to make sure the mall is structurally sound so they can gather evidence to find out how this all went down. martha: that's why they are fearful the death toll will rise. >> that number is specced to go up considerably higher. the al-shabab militant group said there were 137 bodies left inside the mall. no way to verify that but the indications are the death toll will be much higher when this is
over. martha: that video we just showed you, we just got it in. bill: we are starting to see people trying to run to safety. there has been a string of recent assaults on christians. some in congress are trying to take action. congressman peter king on that. martha: there is senator inhofe spelling ted cruz at the moment. going on 19 hours. >> to be honest referring to the senator from congress and the senator from kentucky as cool, as terry figure human beings both them are i will take it as a given there is no politician on the planet who would qualify as cool. a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh!
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cruz any day. will the cruz marathon have an effect on all this? martha: people are very fired up and supportive in large part from what we have been seeing for ted cruz. in the meantime there has been a sharp increase in attacks against christians around the world. that has finally prompted congress to create a new special envoy for religious freedom in central america and the middle east. take a look at this map. at least 10 countries are known to be actively persecuting christians. wrecking churches and killing christians in all of these countries. that's a huge swath of the world we are looking at. we saw the terrorist attacks in the mall in nairobi, kenya.
at least 61 civilians were killed in that attack. also a pair of deadly homicide bombings in pakistan killed 85 christian worshipers there. hundreds of people took to the streets monday, the protests against the deadliest ever attack on christians in that country. it happened at the all saints church, a hugely historic site in peshawar, pakistan. there are people who have been talking about this for the past couple years watching what's been playing out, the coptic christians in pakistan and so many countries, nigeria has been
particularly brutal. tell us about this envoy. what does this mean? >> congressman frank wolf has been a voice in the wilderness on this issue. too often christian persecution is ignored or pushed off to the side. this is to have a strong american position as far as freedom for christians, freedom from persecution and it's even envoy to be used by the oppressed people. the envoy to meet with leaders from the affected communities. speak out at the world level and raise the issue and use that as a leader for the u.s. and certainly an opportunity to raise it at the united nations. but countries like pakistan, nigeria, what's going on in nigeria, blowing up christian
churches. martha: the president wasn't very specific about it at the u.n. in terms of the real war on occurring in all these countries. but you point out frank wolf the congressman because he has been very pointed on this. he says i'm certain that the to do mission to not an option. on congress' watch we watch a middle east vacant of sunday people. >> we cannot allow that to happen. we paced a bill two years ago similar to this. buff it went nowhere in the senate. all the things we are fighting over. some important, some petty, this is an issue of major importance we can agree on and should agree on. i don't see where there should
be any opposition to this whatsoever. i think it should be strongly support and embraced. this should unite everyone. too often the past several years these attacks on christians have gone unreported among the elite who somehow think coptic christians or christians in egypt or mali or saudi arabia are part of the word he situation. but there is a long and pronounced christian communities in the middle east and it's on the verge of being extinguished. martha: africa as well needs to be included in this. the pictures are so devastating. these pictures are from egypt where 40 churches are believed to have burned and bombed and destroyed.
also nigeria ruined 50 churches in that area. we talk so much about tolerance for the muslim religion around the world. .we not need to have the same conversation. can you manage how the christians feel in these countries when they hear so much about religious toll radges for muslims, they must want equal time. >> this is a double standard. these are primarily muslim countries. the reality is in muslim countries christians are being violently persecuted. in nigeria the government is friendly but the terrorist group
carried out attacks. after the arab spring they almost immediately started going after coptic christians. this was an attack on christian churches. 85 people were destroyed. so we have to speak out and make eight vital part of the international discussion, not just a footnote at the end. it should be a major up front issue because we are talking about an entire country. martha: it has passed to the point which is a start in the house. if people aren't in fave of it they should let their senators know. we'll continue to put a lot of emphasis on this story that need to be told as well. to see those crosses on the walls burnt out and destroyed in
these ancient churches. that church in peshawar is thousands of years old. they are historic and it need to be talked about. bill: many are calling it the snub heard round the world. iran's new leader saying no thanks to a handshake with president obama. what in the world is going on here? how is that going over? martha: ted cruz is 9 hours -- can you imagine standing and talking for 19 hours? he continues that marathon discussion and his attack on obama-care. is there a payoff for the senator on his fellow republicans in that's the big question this morning. >> ashton kutcher can reach young people in a way i never can and no member of the senate can and i though it was important about a principle that's imperiled from
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martha: senator ted cruz has been extremely pulled together and articulate for what is now 19 hours. he's into hour 19 which will no doubt go into history on the discussion of healthcare. a big question whether it matters in the discussion with healthcare. there was anger about the filibuster but you can't argue with the fact that this has don't a tremendous amount of attention. hour 19. bill: i would argue he held up pretty well.
cruz looks good. martha: your guy is still up to the job. bill: the handshake that did not happen. iran's brand-new president hassan rouhani deciding the handshake in new york wasn't going to happen. someone will be at a dinner later with rouhani. steven yates former deputy assistant. and currently ceo of d.c. international advisory. it's been written already today as a snub. do you see it that way? >> we are caught in the united states unusually as a mouse in a cat and mouse play. rouhani is playing for time. i don't believe his nuclear weapons are on the table. i suspect the syrian situation
is the most important litmus test whether a russian-iranian wmd program can be. >> he didn't shake hand because it's politically sensitive in the u.s. had obama done that he what have been criticized for having shook hands with the iranian president. bill: you are right, some would have criticized him. but the white house for a week were asked about this and they didn't kick it to the side. they gave us the impression there would be an informal meeting. the iranian leader said it would not happen. i think that was a mistake or miscommunication. but at the end of the day it's not about stage craft shaking hands.
it's about a state craft. what's important are the negotiations so you can't be playing for time. they haven't started yet, but we'll see an important meeting between john kerry and the iranian foreign minister. it will be the highest meeting in 30 years in u.s.-iranian relations. bill: but you were about to say the politics in iran are something we need to understand. >> among some segments of the iranian population the u.s. is very popular. in other segments it's not popular. the u.s. has said we keep military option on the table. and we imposed sanctions. if you are sitting in iran and another country is threatening military force and imposing sanctions it's going to be dicey. bill: cbs did a poll that found
44 per disapprove. but back to steven yates on this now. met with the french leader, met with the austrian leader in new york. we were led to believe this would happen. it did not. the speech yesterday the president gave, there was so much material in there that was directed specifically at iran. and you would think the iranian leadership had a head up on that and that would be been to say the than is out and the door is open, but again the iranian leader said forget, it won't happen. >> the president's message early in his tenure about the unclenched 50s was aimed at iran -- the unchen muched first st.
p -- everyone knows when you are involved in setting up the tone and theater around the negotiations, it's part of the negotiations. it's iran that wants release from sanctions. so we are going to have delay. secretary kerry will get involved but i don't think it matters which level of the american government is involved. bill: so a delay in iran, a delay in syria. steven yates, thank you. we'll see what comes at your dinner tonight with the iranian leader. thank you. martha: coming up, why in the events of a wife oh attack the postal service could be the one to save you? bill: he just crossed hour number 19. you don't have a voice in the
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bill: i think officially at 9:41 which would have been 12 minutes ago we entered hour 19. here is ted cruz back on that microphone. >> we are not going to allow harry reid and a bare majority of democrats to fund obama-care. it's my hope once that happens we start to get one democrat after another after another to come with us. bill: that's been the strategy, whether that can work in the end and be successful is something we don't know. ted cruz, hour 19, we'll drop back in a moment. martha: the postal service is
teaming up with health and human services to protect the nation against a bio attack. how will the mail carriers help in that situation? >> reporter: you need medicine delivered to every of every area as soon as possible. 1,500 volunteers in five major cities where bill snyder was one of 600 to sign up in the events after major bio terrorism attack bill and the other volunteers will be called in to a distribution points to pick up loads of anti-pie jot yot yiks and use a police escort to deliver the drugs to every single home within 48 hours of the incidents. >> it's just an extension of what we do here.
weep serve the public, we live here. it's kind of an extended family, and when something like this goes down people will need help. who better than your letter carrier to deliver the medicine that will be needed. >> reporter: bill is a 8-year veteran of the postal service and a military veteran. i asked why you? and he said why not. martha: buff this may not be around for very long. >> reporter: like any program this costs money. the money is about to run out. at the end of this month the usps and health and human services asked congress $5 million to fund the program for three more years. without it they can't expand to other cities or maintain where they already trained to respond to a bio terror attack. >> i don't know how the funning is a consideration. i don't know how you can measure people's lives in terms an appropriation. this is a program that is vital
to people's lives. >> reporter: they are worried this government shouldup could mean an end to this particular program, martha. bill: interesting. if he was hoping to draw attention to obama-care, mission accomplished. we'll talk to one of the senators helping ted cruz through this. senator mike lee is our guest in a matter of moments. >> immediately on hearing that phrase i wondered if at some points we were going to see a tall gentleman in a mechanical breathing apparatus come forward and say in a deep voice, mike lee, i am your father. tomato fl, it took a little time to get it just right. [ ding ] ♪ but finally, it happened. perfection. at progresso, we've got a passion for quality, because you've got a passion for taste. [ male announcer ] some things arsigned to draw crowds.
marathon floor speech. not exactly a filibuster in procedural terms but it's a last-ditch effort before a key test vote to valley -- rally support to defund obamacare. very interesting to watch this play out this morning. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." glad to have you with us as always, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. the democrats said the showdown will not work. the senate is on autopilot. cruz earlier directly addressed the president saying that americans deserve to know the truth. >> mr. president, would i like every member in this body, am a flued human being a man of many imperfections. a reporter wants to write on those imperfections there is to shortage of material but as long as they're writing on those they're not talking about the ideas. as long as they're writing about the personality, they're not talking about the american people that are suffering.
as long as they're writing about the personalities about the politics and the back and forth and game-playing and insults and all of the nonsense, they are not talking about the millions of americans who are desperate for greater opportunity, desperate for a job, desperate to work to provide for their families, desperate to hold on to the health insurance. we read letter after letter after letter of real people, real live people who are losing their health insurance. martha: this is a moment that we're watching unfold here today. everybody is on this story right now and jonah goldberg joins us now, editor-at-large for the "national review" and a fox news contributor. jonah, welcome. good to have you here. >> great to be here, martha. martha: you know, let's just many right in. >> sure. martha: you wrote an interesting column why ted cruz has something in common with president obama and that's a failure to sort of connect within the halls of congress and within washington and he has
gone to the grassroots to do it. you want to take another take at that? >> sure. i will concede right now is the worst timed column i probably have ever written insofar i wrote it before he went and did his, did this filibuster i think for the most part is great and i'm glad he is doing it and think it is helpful and i think it is also interesting that you heard you say it is not a filibuster. technically you're right by filibuster it is not stopping debate. martha: right. >> it is interesting to point out as carroll from the washington examine points out, when bernie sanders did the exact same thing it was hailed throughout the mainstream media as a filibuster when in fact all he was doing was a long floor speech. there is kind after double-standard about this stuff. yeah, i wrote a column basically making the case that barack obama and ted cruz have a similar idea about how politics work. if you build a huge, outside of washington grassroots effort, you can force change on
washington. this has been the theory of the entire obama administration and it hasn't really worked out that way. even founded, turned his presidential campaign into a grassroots organizing thing and he couldn't even get a vote in the senate or in the house on gun control which was his top priority in the state of the union address. my point is is that you have to do both. he is great at galvanizing grassroots support and all of that and that's fine and that's great and the party needs that but he also needs to be able to work the inside game in washington and much like barack obama when he came to the senate, he is very little interest in doing that. martha: you know, it is very interesting what you're touching on here, what goes through my mind, jonah, it might not have worked for passing certain legislation on capitol hill but it sure worked to get him elected president of the united states. >> that is exactly my point. it works for elections. doesn't necessarily work for
legislation. martha: exactly. that may be some of what we're witnessing here but the other thing that strikes me you have the division in the republican party, whether this was a the way to two. a lot of people are outraged, mad at ted cruz to explain what his plan was and he took it right now the american people. they have to see the impact it is having. we're not only ones who is covering this. everybody is covering this. it is getting a ton of attention and has to have a lot of people wondering why are there carveouts for congress and big corporations. why can i get a delay on this thing as well because i'm concerned what is going to happen to me? >> that is exactly right. i would have loved it that ted cruz modified his strategy that made that the issue. instead of defunding all of obamacare and put congress on notice about exemptions of itself and few other things that poll with 90% support for the american people that could have
put the democrats on the spot. instead the strategy here was one that was simply not going to work. martha: he knows he can't get it through on the senate side, right? >> right. martha: when it goes back to the republican side it may very well be the individual mandate delay becomes the element of the new bill and perhaps because of enthusiasm that has been generated here, that may now be a possibility, no? >> no, that is entirely possible. that would be a great upside out of all this if this forces better legislation a better budget than we otherwise might have gotten. that would be great but this, one of the things that ted cruz has said on the floor that the people who disagree with his strategy akin to appeasers of hitler or royalists who wouldn't have fought with revolutionaries in the revolutionary war. martha: he is equating himself to "star wars" as well. >> and so look, i mean the idea that somehow, you know, senator coburn doesn't want to get rid of obamacare, the idea that mitch mcconnell doesn't want to get rid of obamacare, the
idea that i don't want to get rid of obamacare -- martha: they want to go at it a different way. >> disagreement of tactics. not a disagreement of philosophy. martha: i have to say too a lot of republicans in the house were angry with senator ted cruz because they said he bailed on them last week. we talked about that here. everybody is saying you're bailing and folding and it will not pass in the senate, he has proven them wrong, there is no doubt about that. >> they also said he will not do anything effective. at this point this will not win this game in terms of actually defunding obamacare. that is just not going to happen. martha: in a procedural sense that's true. >> good for the movement but i don't think it will actually work. martha: we'll see what happens down the road. jonah, thank you very much. >> thanks, martha. bill: at one point earlier today senator cruz went to the film archive to describe annalgy to describe his fight against obamacare and crittings inside washington. here is how it went. >> we started debate 18 hours
ago about the divide between the washington establishment not listening to the american people. that is forcing its will on the american people. and the people of this country and i will confess that phrase, rebellion against oppression conjured up to me the rebel alliance fighting against the empire, the empire being the washington, d.c. establishment and indeed, immediately on hearing that phrase, i wondered if a at some point we were going to see a tall gentleman in a mechanical breathing apparatus come forward and say in a deep voice, mike lee, i am your father. this is a fight to restore freedom to the people. this is a fight to get the washington establishment, the empire, to listen to the people. and just like in the "star wars"
movies, the empire will strike back. bill: then he put on a light say per and the whole place went nuts. on a serious note though, this is, this is his, as a man from texas, this is is alamo. i mentioned this last hour. our first exposure to ted cruz only came last august. martha: that's right. bill: at the republican convention in tampa, he came out, the podium dropped down and he cruzed the stage back and forth. no one knew the guy before, talking without notes, off-the-cuff. he is very skilled at all this, what we call the skill of communication. martha: as jonah pointed out everybody else in the media is going this a faux filibuster, it is fake, fake, phony. you have to wonder when somebody is getting attention and ire and everyone is incensed clearly they're hitting some nerve. so what that nerve is ultimately we'll find out. bill: we're watching this more. much more on the marathon session as it continues.
we'll talk to one of the senators he mentioned there, mike lee, will join us in a matter of moments. he was up all night as well. later neil cavuto reports from capitol hill. his take on this and five days away to the government shutdown and all that is coming up. tell us what you think. send us a tweet @billhemmer, @marthamaccallum. hit us up during the show pause we're reading your tweets as we go. fox news alert. exclusive details on the aftermath of the benghazi terror attack. we're learning even more weapons are ending up in the hands of terror groups than we thought previously. adam housley on the story live out of l.a. adam, good morning there. where did the weapons come from, what kind of weapons are we talking about? >> reporter: bill, far worse than we previously reported or thought. we're talking about millions of dollars of weapons. we first reported a few weeks ago about the team that went into train libyans after the benghazi terror attack. the idea was to help the u.s. and libyans fight terrorism, go after some of the individuals
we're looking for. that team has been mostly pulled from libya but the u.s. equipment provided to the libyans to train them, for them to use with the americans has almost all been stolen. we originally were told dozens of weapons. now we're being told it is much more, including 23, gmvs. these are up-armored humvee vehicles used in a variety of ways of course, especially for war fighting. they have a 200-mile range or so. highly sensitive equipment. most people are not going to have these type of things unless you're a major military like the u.s. military. along with these vehicles that are gone, hundreds of weapons including m-4 rifles and glock pistols are gone. what is disturbing to a military and diplomats we spoken to, two different types of night vision technology. almost all the night vision technology is gone. some like this here and other stuff, bill, that allows people, our military warfighters to use in broad daylight and night and light up an entire target, not
just one people, beam, bill. bill: you've been on it from the beginning. adam housley with exclusive details on what is happening in the investigation regarding benghazi. 11 past. here is martha. martha: the latest stage in the effort to defund obamacare has now gone all night into the hours of this morning. watch. >> want to disagree with this strategy, say we agree with harry reid, that obamacare should not be defunded on the continuing resolution, then let them say so openly, not cloaked in robes of procedural deception and obsecurity. martha: can he last for another three hours? we're going to find out here on fox news today. more on senator who is well into the 19th hour. we'll speak to senator mike lee who also has been there with him. also looking fresh as a daisy, senator. we'll be right back. bill: police respond to an emergency inside their own headquarters. the incident that caused everybody to run. more on that. martha: and the attack in kenya
bill: deafening explosion and sudden evacuation, police headquarters, columbus, ohio, this is. bomb squads, fbi agents rushing into that building, locking it down, shutting down the streets around the area and rushing everyone outside. >> there is no damage and nothing structural outside or inside of headquarters to be worry about but, you know, we are going to take precautions. check the immediate area around headquarters, the other buildings and just make sure. that way everything's tight before the end of the night. bill: well, at the end of the night they found the cause of that blast to a battery in hydraulic ladder in the lobby of the building. no reports of injuries. martha: back we go to capitol hill now where senator ted cruz
is well into hour 19. that is senator david vitter who is pinch-hiting a bit at the moment which we've seen various senators do throughout the course of these 19 hours. it is primarily senator ted cruz who has done the lion's share thus far of this filibuster-like speech that has been going on. it has been a fascinating thing to unravel here. we want to show awe little bit from what we heard from senator ted cruz a few moments ago. >> if we are to listen to the people, part of listening to the people is being honest with the people. part of listening to the people is embracing quite candidly the position we hold. and if those members of this conference want to disagree with this strategy and say, we agree with harry reid, that obamacare should not be defunded on the continuing resolution, then let them say so openly, not cloaked in robes of procedural deception
and obsecurity. let them say so openly to the american people and let them make their case. that has the virtue of truth. martha: all right. so one of cruz's biggest supporters in this effort has been republican senator mike lee of utah, member of the joint economic committee. senator, welcome. when is the last time you slept? >> well i was up all night. this was an important effort. it was an honor and a privilege to stand with senator ted cruz and as sis him in this effort. it was an effort important to many americans who stand to lose jobs and stand to lose wages and stand to lose access to their health care coverage. martha: what do you think ultimately because you heard what has been said about this, that it is grandstanding, it has no meaning, that people are angry with him that he didn't go through the channels of the senate to orchestrate this and it is meaningless in the end, what do you say? >> i think the american people will be the ultimate judges of
that and i think they will judge in favor of ted cruz this. the fact that we have done this out of principle. we have done this in harmony with the american people and in response to the overwhelming cry for relief from this really dangerous bill, a bill that has put at risk a lot of things we hold dear in this country. that is what we're standing for. this has nothing to do with us. this has everything to do with the american people and where they stand on this issue. martha: legislatively the next step would be to send this back to the house, if all goes as is expected, and that would mean that once the 123459 reconvenes, after noon or 1:00 this afternoon, there will be a vote after harry reid strips out the defunding measure. then it will go back to the other side, back to the house. what do you think could be gained from what you folks have done on that side? >> well, it depends what happens. you have to remember that the vote we'll be taking today will
be cloture on the motion to proceed where we're getting on to the by we're still a couple of days away where we'll likely be taking the vote that we're actually talking about in connection with this mini filibuster. it will take some time. we've known this would be a iterative process whenever it finally stops, whenever the ball stops rolling in the senate, action will kick up again in the house. the house is reconvening today and we look forward to that. martha: there is some discussion and obviously time is of the essence and there is deadline on this whole thing. might it be possible you wouldn't take full 30 hours of debate after the cloture vote and that the senate republicans rather, would make an effort to push this more quickly over to the republicans in the house? >> yeah. that is certainly a possibility. some of those time frames could be compacted, we could end up seeing house action sooner rather than later. we have to forecast everything out based on the worst-case scenario and that could put us
into a friday or saturday. martha: what people who are supportive of you would ask at home when it goes back to the republicans in the house, is it possible that they might get a delay on the personal mandate in this bill? is that still a possibility? >> well, i'm not certain but you know, you have to look a the fact that it's a lot more that, then the individual mandate that is at stake. a delay in the individual mandate isn't going to fix the underlying problem for the overwhelming majority of americans. martha: a lot people feel that is all you can get at this point and that might be a big win for your side. >> i'm sure there are a lot of people that might like that to be the biggest win we can get. what we're asking for obamacare to be defunded and delayed in its entirety. the best way to do that, the only way to do that is to defund. >> it senator mike lee, it has been very interesting to watch. thank you so much for being with us today. we'll speak to you soon. >> thank you. >> hasn't slept all night. looks decent.
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pakistan. that quake so powerful, it create ad new island off the coast. david piper live in the region, bangkok, thailand. how bad is the damage? >> reporter: hi, bill, yes, scenes of terrible devastation in the pakistani province of ba l.j. ustan in the southwest area of the country. we understand whole villages collapsed with the power of the quake. local officials are saying they're struggling to cope with the amount of people homeless and injured. hospitals are overwhelmed by number of people brought into them. this quake at the same time create ad new island off the coast. quite a large island, over 600 feet long and 6500 feet high. we understand many islands have been created in the past but disappeared quite soon after, bill. bill: what is being done to help the survivors, david? the death to is climbing by the
hour. >> reporter: pakistan military is taking the lead. they have helicopters are going to the area. they're fighting an insurgency in baloo. martha: stan. they may well call on the u.s. for help. u.s. forces came in from afghanistan that time. perhaps this time the u.s. fleets that go to the gulf may be able to help, bill. back to you. >> david piper thank you, watching that for us now. what a tragedy that is. 26 past. here is martha. martha: on capitol hill senator ted cruz is coming up on 20 hours. try to picture yourself even on a long flight, right? what if you were standing that entire time? he is up there now for almost 20 hours. he is making history, days before a major obamacare milestone of october the 1st. so a big deadline is looming here. now for the first time we are learning exactly what the new insurance plan is going to cost you. >> a bizarre case of a man allegedly trying to live the fake world of a violent
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entering hour number 2010, i believe. senator ted cruz not waiverring in his senate floor speech against obamacare. days from the october 1st kickoff of the federal health care exchanges we're learning what the insurance plans may cost. now senator cruz says those prices are driving many americans to actually drop their coverage. this from earlier here. >> many of the young, healthy people i talked to have told me they plan to go without insurance, people who currently purchase individual plans, because the coverage will be too expensive and fines for most of them is much less than the coverage. mr. president,, obamacare was told to the american people, if you like your health coverage you can keep it. we now know that promise was simply objectively, 100% falls. bill: that was from 5:38 this morning. that really goes to the heart of his entire argument now.
this story is so big, neil cavuto went to washington. senior vice president of business news and anchor of "your world." >> hey, bill. bill: what do you get a sense, the cruz marathon is haveing a an impact or not? >> i don't think it will do anything to derail the senate vote to separate this funding measure from a budget resolution that would keep the government open another few months. i think it has a measurable impact on people who are now just beginning to get a sense of and are getting scared about the health care law itself. they're discovering the reports and studies and surveys that premiums are going up. they're going up markedly. for young people in particular, the means which we pay for all of this, their premiums are going up smartly and this is not panning out to be what it was. the president had always said, if you like your coverage and you like your doctor you can keep them. what he left out was you might have to pay a lot more for that.
that is what is evidencing itself. bill: on that point we're now learning about some prices for the health care exchanges, from "the wall street journal." it says young, healthy buyers, will likely pay more than they do at the moment. while older, sicker consumers should get a break. what more is in that pricing? >> well could be substantial. i mean for younger people now it could probably average 15, 20% more than they're paying now. keep in mind it does nothing to erase the equation, young people by and large not paying for health insurance that is the age feel indestructible. nothing will happen to you. only when you get to be a feeser like me that these issues become paramount. young people are pushed into it with the notion you try it, you will like it and you will be better for it. their responses, even those with coverage switching over to this we'll pay lot more for this, no thank you. the penalties for this will make
it less appetizing. so it is a mess. bill: on that point the incentive for a young person to buy drops off considerably. >> sure, sure. bill: even just yesterday bill clinton in new york says, this law only survives if young people buy into it. based on this reporting here that the price will be higher, the incentive, you would assume, will be lower. to sign up. >> we, you know, and you also think, bill, of the delays. what is happening with all the key delays. certain companies and sectors that are you know, getting passes and exemptions and delays when they have to kick in. but what's important about the stuff that has been delayed or pushed back, are all the means which we pay for this. and that is rather telling because the denominator, if you will, the stuff that is going to, support this, is falling apart on them. and it is being pushed back further and further and further. let's say they have come up with some sort of a back-room deal that calls for not defunding it or delaying it another year, or exchanges, another year, or your
participation, forced or otherwise, another year. you are only delaying the inevitable. so people who say, whoopie, this is great news, you're only delaying the reaper here because the costs goes up exponentially with that delay and that is what people fail to see. bill: with that point, medicare cuts delayed, employer mandate delayed, out-of-pocket caps delayed. 2,000 businesses and unions get a waiver. congress get subsidies to cover their own tail. so that is all going on at one, on one hand. on the other hand you have the threat of a federal government shutdown, possibly monday or tuesday. is it your sense that happens or not at the moment? >> we, if we face that, it will be because we will have left little wiggle room in the calder here. many are blaming cruz for this he ostensibly you pushed bakke votes in the senate. i hasten to add, bill, these votes were pushed back in the senate to complicate and make
life miserable for republicans in the house. the intention over all was harry reid to dump this in the house's lap at sunday at midnight. i would point out it is bit of chutzpah to say all of sudden congress is bemoaning one senator's filibustering it will make them late. first time i ever heard them concerned about a timeline but having said that, we will probably have a partial, if not a temporary shutdown. if so would be our 20th since of 1977. that is not so unprecedented. but, we'll get through this we'll get over this. it is not the end of the world. bill: there is drama in this as we look to the next four or five days. neil, check out later. good to have you back on the hill. they fear cavuto when you show up, don't they, don't they? >> absolutely. bill: i knew they did. right on. 4:00 later today on you're world. look at guests you have lined up. mccain is on. rand paul is on.
later we talk to jim demint. foster friess on the business network. that hits at 8:00. a busy day. martha: he sure does. listen to this story today. a 20-year-old is in some serious trouble after place say he stole a truck, kidnap ad woman, and then slammed into several parked cars. his name is zachary burgess. he allegedly told an officer he warranted to see what it was like to reenact the videogame, grand theft auto. the woman inside the stolen truck said burgess was acting crazy. >> i think i was lucky to get out. it was, i didn't think i was going to be able to get out because he was just, backwards, forwards, doors are locked. he wasn't listening to me, ignoring my. like he was in whole another world honestly. it was weirdist thing. he had rage in his eyes. martha: he was released after posting $80,000 bond. he now faces several charses including car theft and
kidnapping. raises questions about, i don't know if he has any prior convictions or prior arrests or any mental health history but raises connections between those things and some of these video games. bill: certainly does. we'll stay tuned with what happens on that and those charges. 22 before the hour now. martha: indeed it is, bill hemmer. we'll move to this story in a moment. a wave of terror attacks taking the lives of innocent people like the one in kenya that allegedly targeted anyone that is not muslim. why is there no mention of islamic radicalism when we talk about this kind of terrorism? bill: also in a moment here. pay attention to this. this is a great american story that no one's frankly talking about. this is the dash for the america's cup in san francisco bay. beautiful sights there, by the way. oracle team usa was down 8-1. they won seven straight races to tie new zealand. if america wins today it will be one of the greatest comebacks in
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suffering and it is the role of congress to answer their call, all of us must listen to the people. together we must make d.c. listen. >> 10:43 in the morning, it continues, on cruz control on the floor of the senate. martha: that's a good one. let's go back to the story for a moment now because the recent wave of terror attacks including the mall ambush in kenya have raised new questions as to why the word, islamic radicalism is not used when we have these discussions about terrorism? you really didn't hear it at the needed nations in the address today. president obama did not address these type hits as islamic terrorism. let's talk about why that is and whether or not ignoring that phrase will prevent us from getting to any kind of solution in the future. mike baker, former cia covert operations officer and president of diligence llc, which is a global intelligence and security
firm and zuhdi jasser, of the american islamic forum for democracy. gentlemen, thank you very much for being here today. you know, i guess that's the question. earlier in the show today we outlined the 10 countries in which christians have been targeted and killed. more than 100 churches have been burned and ruined in the course of this terrorism that exists. mike, let me start with you. if we don't call it what it is, and we don't recognize from whence it comes, can we ever hope to deal with it? >> not in as effective a manner as we should. you know you have to be able to understand the nature of the beast if you're taking it on but this has been a reluctance for years now, stretching back into the bush administration, and it's been a fairly concerted effort to delink this, this, these words, essentially, trying to remove the words fundamentalist terrorism, of radical islam, from our language and to the point where they have
rewritten manuals, they have had instructional seminars on how to refer to this without bringing those words in, as if, if you take the words out then you change the reality and it is not really radical islam that we're dealing with. martha: zuhdi, do the words matter? >> i think the words matter. martha: go ahead. >> absolutely the words matter, martha, because if we don't identify it, we're actually on a different side than most moderate muslims. in egypt we saw tens of millions, the largest demonstrations in humanity against the muslim brotherhood that wanted an islamic state. muslims the majority don't want to live under theocracy of islamists spreading and filling vacuum the pressure cooker of dictatorship now has been open is filled by radical islam. the vast majority of muslims don't want that, but we're allowing petrodollars to feed the islamist movements. we assistant back and don't take sides within.
we're allowing darwinian evolution of islamist groups, through terrorism, theocracy and oppression to fill the vacuum while those who want secularism and liberalism and freedom are dieing off as we said. martha: we've been talking about this a lot this week and bill o'reilly was talking about it in prime time overnight, mike, there is reluctance to call this what it is an recognize there is effort underway by these fundamentalists, by these radicals basically to create a new islamic caliphate. if you don't, and also he was pointing out, we point out here many times there is need for moderate muslims to take it on, separate themselves from it. is that ever going to happen, mike? >> i don't think it will. again there has been a concerted lobbying effort for self years. you look at kiar, at the center for american islamic relationings and work they do specifically to remove this
references to radical islam. look, it minimizes the problem f what we're fight something al qaeda or aqap or al-shabaab, then in our mind here in america in particular we start to imagine that this is some sort of endgame. we've got, we can defeat these small groups and we minimize what the real threat is and also the fact that this is a long-term problem that is not going away anytime soon just because we may have success against a particular small group. martha: then it become as military tactic and a military effort from one group to deet another group but, zuhdi, you have to recognize and i know you do and you have written so eloquently about this and underlying motivation an where it cops from? >> absolutely. in my book, the battle for the soul of islam, this is a battle within. if the west doesn't have courage to take sides of the within islam, darwinian evolution of
islamists, through saudi arabia and not only care, there is not a conspiracy, this website condemns majority of acts terror. about the islamic phobe big west, they're putting us on the defense to help the ascension of global groups and muslim brotherhood and others so moderates within their nations are not able to push back against the two fascisms, of secular dictatorship and also of theocracy as we see in al-shabaab and other groups are by-products of that and they're in denial. groups like care facilitate the denial. they identify me being anti-muslim ion though i love my faith and i'm very orthodox. yet they want to shut down free speech. we facilitate that by not identifying the enemy as being the islamic state. martha: we have to leave it there. thanks so much to zuhdi jasser, and mike baker. we'll talk more about it in the future. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you, mart that. >> so far fewer than half mentioned radical isl
speeches at the u.n. they continue today. we'll see whether or not that track record continues. jon scott continues, happening now at the top of the hour rolling our way. good morning to you. >> you've seen it yourself, senator ted cruz continuing his non-filibuster filibuster. we're live on capitol hill. it looks increasingly like the government could shut down next week. what the white house says about that. rollout of the health care overhaul exchanges, five days away. the latest in kenya where we're waiting for possible increase in numbers about dead in the terror attack on the mall. the u.s. versus iran, what this week's u.n. push tells us what "the new york times" calls, the emerging obama doctrine. it is 11 minutes ahead, "happening now." bill: you got it. see you jon, top of the hour. she has been a fixture on television for years. not her. that is marco rubio on the floor of the senate. this woman right here. she has a whole new look and boy, does she have an
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bill: now to a terrific story. one woman's struggle to overcome a lifelong battle with her weight. her name is tory johnson. she wrote a book about her struggle called, "the shift." look at shift she made from screen left to screen right. here is before she embarked. 20 months later after losing 72 points! meet tory johnson with us in studio. >> my kids say it is like two
dogs, mom. my dog is 35 pounds. bill: two dogs before, right? >> gone. bill: you lochner terrific. >> thank you. bill: i was reading through some of this earlier. i think the stuff is so important for people to hear. you write, throughout childhood our freezer was stuffed with eyes cream, pizza, asorted frozen microwave packages. we equated food with comfort that was your life. >> it was, good days and bad. have a bad day, nothing like a box of cookies can't fix. i think that, you know, that's some people. you get to the point, one day where it snaps. you are so fed up with being fat, so fed up with sort of living in shackles, trying every which way to get out. trying every diet and failing you say this time is it. i'm laying down the law and i will change my mind for a better life. bill: that was the quote you gave. it wasn't a meal plan that saved me. it was mental plan that saved me. >> yes. bill: you had a meeting with colleague at abc, right?
barbara. >> my boss. bill: your big boss who determined your future in some ways. what did she do or say that said, i got to change? >> she said your clothes don't do you any justice. you don't look your best. i will send to you a stylist. she was incredibly gracious and sweet and kind everything she said. what i took away, fat around lose weight never came into the conversation, focusing on your clothes is another gimmick. tough lose weight. i took it a step further in my mind, lose weight or lose your job. it was the best conversation, it totally changed my mind. bill: i think about pier pressure. i think about graving and discipline. you have a story you have to share with a lot of people. you given a number of tips. i cheesen a couple. >> sure. bill: weigh yourself daily. that can be a scary thing for a lot of people. >> then you don't go three weeks and wonder where the 10 pounds came from. you're on top of it. bill: pause before giving into temptation. >> sure. when you can think for five
seconds you can typically pass. if you don't think, mind lessly eat you go down a bad path. bill: check the app on your phone. do that now. if tempted to binge grab nail follow like. >> yeah. when you put on top coat nail polish, my manicure is more important than the potato chips. i'm not touching them. you give yourself 10 minutes to talk you off the ledge. what is so essential, no cheat days. typically every diet is eat perfectly for six days an indulge, seventh day. that is akin to alcoholic celebrateing a month of sobriety with a beer. it doesn't work. don't reward with food. bill: put all the old photos. >> look at get toes you showed. oh, my god. bill: good luck on the book. tory johnson. well-done. back in a moment here. martha has more with ted cruz, huh? martha: good stuff. still on cruz control.
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