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martha: thank you for spending the last couple hours with us. we love having you here. we'll invite you back again tomorrow, how's that? come on back. "happening now" starts right now. jon: we begin with this fox news alert. get ready for obamacare. right now the president is promoting the new health care exchanges ahead of their kickoff next week. he has chosen a community college in maryland to highlight what he is calling a key cornerstone of the middle class, access to affordable health care a six-month enrollment period for the exchanges begins on tuesday. the obama administration needs millions of americans, especially the young healthy ones to sign up in order to keep costs low for everyone. so you can expect to see a lot of these high-profile events to promote the exchanges and push you towards signing up in the
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coming weeks and months. but first right now some brand new stories we're following for you. jenna: a young man known as forest boy, cleared of fraud charges in germany after admitting he lied to authorities about living in the wilderness for years and not knowing who he was. the full story on that. also a desperate search for a young woman last seen with her ex-boyfriend who police say killed another man in cold blood the night she disappeared. one high school football coach makeing a stunning decision over issues of bullying and respect on the playing field. we'll tale you about it. it's all happening now. jenna: you said it, jon, we're just days away. we'll all come face-to-face with this new law, the new health care law and the president is speaking right now all about that. welcome to "happening now", everybody, i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. mr. obama is touting the benefit he says of his health care law before these new insurance
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exchanges open for business next week. today he is in maryland explaining how americans can comparison shop for insurance that meets their needs, telling the audience there that they, or they will have lots of options including plans that are affordable for a variety of budgets. the white house says the average american will have 53 different plans from which too choose and 95% of uninsured americans will see their premiums costs much less than expected. senate republican mitch mcconnell of kentucky who wants the law revealed says is -- repealed is dismissing the president's speech. he calls it happy talk. he is one of many republican who is are in opposition to this thing. he says skeptical americans are tuning the president out. there was a poll out from the "national journal" and you united technologies which finds democrats and republicans are just about equally split on this issue. about 75% of republicans hate the law. 75% of the democrats love it.
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and independents are pretty much split 50/50. so where do we go from here? mean is a easton is a senior editor and washington columnist at "fortune" magazine and a fox news contributor. there have been a rash of stories in newspapers all over the country, in fact the white house is cutting them and pastings them and sending them out saying look how good this is going to be but a lost that information comes from the government. can we trust that stuff, nina? >> well, he has bottom a big sales job ahead of him, this president. you will see today he is talking to young people at a community college because one of the things they have to do to make this entire thing work or have a chance of working is to get young, healthy people to sign up. so he is going out and saying, look, it will not cost you that much, a couple hundred buck as month depending what state you're in but the problem is, a lot of young people will not pay that money. they feel healthy. they don't feel like they need it. the tax penalty the way it is
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working it is not that much of a tax penalty on you. it is unlikely they will do much on that front. so he has got, he is really has an uphill battle here. as you mentioned it is a divisive bill. it is not so much unpopular but it is devisive. this is a law to remake 1/7 of an economy, the health care economy that has not a single republican lawmaker in washington on board. so it has got as we know a host of problems already. the business mandate has been delayed. there are big unions that want out of it. they have had to delay the validating people's income who won a subsidy. there are all sorts of problems coming out. so he has to go out on the road and say, look, mears. exchanges, they open next week by the way. he has to convince particularly young, healthy people to get on board. jon: my main experience with hands-on government is the dmv,
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one or two or three times a year i have to march down to the dmv. admittedly it's a state program and not federal. keeping track of license plate numbers and who has insurance and that stuff, it is really pretty easy yet it takes hour to get through the dmv. i wonder what will happen when they decide who gets cancer surgery and who know, needs their teeth cleaned or something? >> it is interesting. historically, if you look back in the 1970s, things, people's experience with government like exactly, what you're talking about, which is by the way gotten better. but particularly in the 1970s, the dmv, the post office, people's frustration dealing with government bureaucracies actually helped give rise to the antigovernment movement and ronald reagan. so i think you're very right. the, this is a very complicated program. people have to choose from, you know, he is bragging how many choices people have and how many, i know, options they have to sign up but, even that is kind of like, breathtakingly
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difficult for somebody that wants to just sign up for health care. and the software, the i.t., all of that is complicated. i think it is, he's in particularly uphill battle, if you're going to have these kinds of complications at least you want somebody from the other party, covering your back. you want your, but he has got a complete opposition from republicans and, it didn't have to be this way. jon: well, yeah, the way this thing was passed sort of railroaded through the senate with some smoke and mirrors methodology, it doesn't lend itself to any bipartisan support, really. >> it doesn't. of course the bipartisan support, you know, has dwindled. republicans, and whether you believe that going, this whole thing going on in congress right nowefund obamacare and link that to government spending. whether you think that is a good idea for republicans a tactic for them to do or bad idea, i personally think it's a bad idea, i think it will hurt
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republicans if there is a government shutdown. regardless of the tactical moves, there is complete unity in the republican party, that this is a bad idea. and it is hurting the image of obamacare in the polls. now you've got the president having to go out on his own with this marketing campaign, bringing in people like bill clinton, to be his chief salesman in this. jon: yeah, that is always an interesting relationship between those two. nina easton, we'll talk more about the potential government shutdown as well. thank you, nina. >> thank you. >> i mention if you like to catch the president's remarks streaming live from largo, maryland, we have them for you on foxnews.com. jenna: speaking of dmv, pass your drivers test. jon: i haven't had to take one in a long time. my daughter is though. jenna: that is an interesting analogy. we'll keep talking about the health care story. we'll turnover seas, an arrest alert out for the so-called "white widow" at request of
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kenyan authorities. that was just issued by interpol. the british fugitive was suspected playing a role in the nairobi mall massacre. fbi investigators are helping comb through the rubble of that shopping mall to determine how many militants that pulled off the attack that left 67 people, innocent people dead. they're also trying to identify the killers and their nationalities as a terror group behind the attack takes responsibility for killing more, more now. we have two police officers dead and more threats coming from them saying an abundance of blood will be shed in kenyan troops remain in somalia. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge has been working the story. she has some brand new information for us now. catherine? >> reporter: thank you, jenna. a law enforcement source confirms to fox news that the fbi response group has been deployed to kenya. the serg was deployed after the
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boston bombing. this is like a mobile fields office forefor the fbi pulling dozens of agents from washington, d.c. headquarters and the joint terrorism task force in new york city. this group has the ability to operate completely independently. it has its own evidence response team that can collect prints and run those prints for matches to u.s. citizens or known foreign terrorists and that we are told is the priority. the serg was deployed within days of the attack and such was the urgency it arrived a day ahead of schedule. we're told that the mall is seen by the fbi as a sterile crime scene. meaning it is largely undisturbed or there is good chance or increased likelihood to get clean prints that can lead to matches on the databases, jenna. jenna: interesting. we'll see what they find there. what about this shift in counterterrorism strategy? >> reporter: that is significant. from the west point counter terrorism journal show 60 terrorist incidents since july fist. that amounts to one plot virtually every day. at the same time fox news is
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confirming that u.s. drone strikes are down significantly. specifically, drone strikes are down to a handful since the president's national security address in may where he laid out the administration's new policy on drone use. and given the current threat picture with kenya and the temporary closings of two dozen u.s. embassies in august, this strategy, the drop in drone use is not sitting well with the house intelligence committee chairman. >> it is not diminishing there. there have been counterterrorism changes made by the administration that concern us all, things we're working on for a period of months that we're trying to work through that are very, very concerning. this no time to retreat. >> reporter: not commenting on drone use the white us is insisting its efforts remain robust. >> i would point you to the president's speech on this matter and and then made clear we have worked with our partners very aggressively when it comes
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to al-shabaab. >> reporter: the administration's use of drones is now characterized to fox news by source who is are familiar with the campaign as, reactive. they cite the use of drones after that heightened threat level in august that closed the u.s. embassies but they say this strategy now after the president's speech is not proactive. again it is only reactive, jenna. jenna: some things to consider today as we continue to follow these stories. catherine, thank you. >> reporter: you're welcome. jon: some new information on a possible of violation of the sanctions that stand against iran. the pentagon is now looking into the contractor that supplies u.s. forces in afghanistan. when faced with a blockade by pakistan the company is accused of takeing a shortcut and shipping materials across iran. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with that. this u.s. defense contractor, were they breaking the law, jennifer? >> reporter: well, jon the treasury department and pentagon's defense logistics agency are certainly looking into it.
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the contractor was awarded an $8 billion contract to provide food and water to u.s. troops in afghanistan. according to internal company emails that fox news obtained this u.s. company may have broken u.s. sanctions laws. american citizens and companies are not supposed to use the iran's port because part of it is owned by iran's revolutionary guard. money for passing through the port and transporting goods through iran would put money in the pocket after known supporter of terrorism. here is a email that the brother of the company's chief executive officer received from a subcontractor, quote. i have just checked with my office in iran and they informed me that we are paying 2200, 2300 u.s. dollars to all transportation companies there this in akina to move containers out to kabul, which is the same rate we are charging you. akina is an iranian border crossing into afghanistan. this one, this email have their project manager talks about
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moving goods through another iranian border crossing. anhem executives told "wall street journal" they weren't aware of the iranian route until last week. the next e-mail is march 2012 and include's the chief executive's brother. quote, the transport change from iranian transport to afghan transport to include size of assets et cetera. full contact details of iranian transporter so we can coordinate the transshipment from iranian to afghan transport. the pentagon defense logistic agency issued the following statement. quote, we have requested additional information from anhem as well as appropriate government agencies to confirm anhem's actions including performance under the contract with dla remain in accordance with applicable law and regulations. we reached out to anham second
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executives. we were told none of executives were available this morn. jon: crossings were closed in protest to the u.s. is that why the company was using iran as alternative? >> that may have been a factor. last year when anham was competing for a contract the border was closed through pakistan and the northern route through central acre sha was very costly. according to the chain of emails i read it seems the anham executives and subcontractors were trying to save money. essentially they were trying to win a contract held by supreme service which held the u.s. military contract since 2005. they were able to bid, an hamham was able to bid one billion dollars less than their competitor. the pentagon says anham alerted the u.s. treasury last week that they were moving foreign made goods through iran last year of the last week is when reporters reached out to anham suggesting
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there may be a problem in terms of u.s. sanctions. union? jon: jennifer griffin at the pentagon. jennifer, thank you. jenna: an update next on the young man who claimed he lived in the woods after the judge handed down a ruling when the so-called forest boy ran away from authorities. that's next.
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jon: right now new up foe and some stories we're watching across the world. an american man among six people arrested on charges of runing a drug ring in thailand. the international trafficking network reportedly spanned asia and the u.s. >> check out these incredible images out of australia where more than 50 bush fires are burning across the state of new south wales today. the fires jumped several highs wand threatening dozens of home. a german court dropping fraud charges against the so-called "forest boy" who admits now he made up a story not knowing who he was or where he was from. robin van helsum stuck to the story for months after claiming he survived in the woods outside berlin for years and he sought help when both of his parents passed away.
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the 21-year-old ordered to perform community service and get himself some counseling. jenna: sounds like a good idea. new developments on a disturbing story you're likely familiar with. the teacher convicted of rapeing a 14-year-old student in montana is now reap preparing for his release from prison today, 30 days behind bars. that is what he served. the mother of his victim, who later killed herself says this is not justice. laura engel live in the new york city nice room is live with more. what is the mother saying today >> reporter: auelia hanlon is very emotional about the loss of her daughter who she says track her life because fallout from the entire situation. hanlon told the "associated press", that she felt guilty for ruining former teacher stacey rambold life and was ostracized and ridiculed after details became public. she committed suicide in 2010 before her former high school
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teacher rambold went to trial after admittings he raped cherise moralez in 2007. he was sentenced to 20 days in prison and 14 years and 10 months in prison. he is set to be released from prison after competing the one-month sentence given by judge g todd baugh. and apologizing that the she seemed older than her chronological age. >> ladies and gentlemen, in the rambold sentencing i made some references to the victim's age and control. and, i'm not sure just what i was attempting to say at that point but it didn't come out correct. what i said was demeaning to all women, not what i believe in, and irrelevant to the sentencing. i owe all of our fellow citizens an apology. >> reporter: hanlon has called the sentence and the judge's
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remarks, a travesty, jenna. jenna: the remarks is the reason why the story really became a national story. is there a way that the former teacher that is getting out of prison today, after 30 days could actually serve more time? >> reporter: that is exactly what the family and prosecutors are hoping for. meanwhile protesters are calling for that judge to step down, following moralez's death. prosecutors entered into an agreement which required rambold to complete a sex offender treatment program and meet certain requirements. when he failed to do so, prosecutors then asked the judge to sentence him to 20 years. now there is an appeal pending with the montana supreme court. >> the judge said nothing that we haven't heard before. he took no responsibility but seemed to blame everyone else around and it is out of his hand now. so we go forward. we're still looking to get the judge removed. >> reporter: we'll let you know when the teacher leaves prison. we're keeping an eye on that today. jenna. jenna: thank you, laura, appreciate it. jon: what a story. a desperate search now for a missing college student. this young woman last seen with
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her ex-boyfriend. he is now accused of murdering another man that very same night. we have details on the search. the fbi helping investigators in kenya identify terrorists responsible for the massacre in a nairobi mall. [ male announcer ] running out of steam?
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jon: right now some new information on the desperate search for a minnesota college student. anna ray shunk was last seen with her ex-boyfriend the same night police say he killed another man. patti ann browne has details from the breaking newsdesk. patti ann. >> reporter: jon, surveillance video shows anna ray shunk in burnsville, minnesota saturday. she has not been seen with.
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her ex-boyfriend, chavez nelson is under arrest for shooting a man outside that bar a few hours later. she is a 20-year-old student from the university of minnesota. friends and relatives say she dated chavez-nelson for for six months. he is 31 with a convicted felon and lengthy criminal record and multiple aliases. he is expected to be charged in death of a 23-year-old man found shot to death in the parking lot of nina's grill early sunday a frantic search continues for anna ray. they have found chavez-nelson's car they believe he used to flee the scene but they won't say if it includes clues to anna ray's disappearance and chavez-nelson is not cooperating with the place and that has her family concerned. >> he is just not talking to us. concerns me. >> knowing that he was the last person to see her and, is not with her when he was found.
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>> reporter: one friend tells reports that shunnk was in contact to demand $5,000 she loaned him. that friend tells the "star-tribune" that the money was a big issue for anna rae, the way she planned to get it back was very dangerous for her. she did not explain why. there is $5,000 reward. she is 5'9", 163 pounds and brown hair and green eyes. tipsters are asked to call 952-895-4636. jon? jon: let's hope they bringer back safely. patti ann browne. thank you. jenna: the terror attack in kenya that left 67 people dead. the fbi is trying to help the identify the attackers and their nationalities as well. we know the terror group al-shabaab is claiming responsibility for this massacre and was based in somalia, that terror group. there are concerns they are recruiting new members from other countries including our
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countries. for several years leaders inside minnesota and outside minnesota are aware that young men are leaving that state to join al shabaab and they have been using community outreach efforts, to cut off this, quote, deadly pipeline. our next guest testified before congress about this. joining us chief tom smith, the police chief of st. paul, minnesota who has been working closely with the somalia community there for many years. chief, nice to have you on the program. >> thank you jenna. jenna: first basic housekeeping. why dot twin sis have such a large somali community, the largest in the united states? >> there are a couple reasons, jenna. utmost we have a excellent school system and many somali parents wanted their children to have that opportunity to go to our public schools. number two, we have a lot of non-profit groups that have helped to sponsor many somalis and do outreach work and that word kind of spread and with those two things and minnesota is known as somewhat of a
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welcoming community, a lot of people have continued to come here to give yous the largest somali population of any place in the country. >> and the community is a very tight-knit community as i understand it just from the outside looking in and reading a little bit about that and you really used that to your benefit to try to single out when radicalization is happening of youth inside that community. can you describe to us how big of a problem that is right now? >> well, you know right now there's just a lost rumors and innuendos that are going on just because what has happened at the westgate mall in nairobi. so the local community is very concerned but i want to let our viewers know that it's something that we've done in st. paul and in the twin city area is we have very open dialogue and we've had some national programs that have worked really hard to keep young men and others from becoming radicalized. that all starts with partnership. we call them partnerships of trust. it has been a long journey.
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it's been tough along the way. but we have an exceptional relationship where we can actually speak openly about things that happened not just here, but also halfway across the world. jenna: i'm curious about what you said in congress a few years back. you've been police chief for three years. but you served more than 20 years as parts of the police force and you were telling a story about a woman coming up to you saying she had concerns about her son and that really tipped off an interesting investigation. can you tell our viewers a little bit about that? you must have had quite a relationship for a mother to come talk to you about her child. >> we, sure. back in 2009 there was a woman, somali mother, that was very concerned about her young 14-year-old son who wasn't coming home at night and, through a lot of dialogue and, again, a relationship we found out that there were some bad things going on with her son, her 14-year-old son. we worked with our federal partners and others because someone gave us the information and we probably stopped some
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really bad things from happening and that's what our outreach is truly all about, is to inform young men and young woman and parents who don't want their children to go fight with al-shabaab or leave the country for any kind of nefarious purposes to have the open dialogue. and i think that has set us apart nationally and we've been recognized internationally as well with the work we're doing right now in st. paul. jenna: that's interesting, you say you can develop a powerful message, as powerful as the bad guys through work in the community and we'd love to have you back, chief smith, to talk to you a little more how you create the message, what is key and now nationally we can follow and see it but we appreciate your time today, sir, thank you so much. >> thank you, jenna. jon: the latest efforts to avoid a government shut down that could be just day way. is the gop delaying a fight over defunding obamacare? so much strategy to talk about just ahead. run, go, go! did he just fumble?
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jon: it appears the latest threat of a government shutdown is moving away from the effort to defund obamacare toward a new goalpost, the new strategy would be to tie the threat of a shutdown to the debt ceiling. our next guest says if there is a shutdown, the public is likely to blame republicans.
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angela mcglowan is a fox news political analyst. why would they blame republicans, angela? >> first of all, jon, there is a war on obamacare and it is the republicans especially the tea party on the right that is carrying that message but however i believe the tea party in the house an boehner have listened to some of the more moderates in the republican party. that in fourth four, if there is a government shutdown, then republicans will be blamed. having said that now, there is a two-prong strategy. still with the continuing resolution on the senate side they want to add some conservative riders. that is, eliminate the medical device tax. also eliminate the special subsidies and waivers. now as for the debt ceiling debate, what they're going to do is, knock down obamacare in another way dealing with the debt ceiling debate on october 17th. what they want to do is delay obamacare for one year. we'll see if it works, jon? jon: you know a lot of folks at home don't really care about
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continuing resolutions and about, you know, stopgap budget bills and so forth but they do want to know they will get their social security checks on time or our troops will be paid over in afghanistan. is that what it boils down to, just keeping the wheels of government rolling? >> that is what it boils down to. as rand paul said, some might want to defund obamacare but don't shut down the government. so you've had your tea party patriots, tea party express, a lot of other advocates on the right, speaking about why we should not raise the debt ceiling, why which need to defund obamacare, but people are going to care, jon, when they don't get the social security checks. when our warriors fighting for our freedom across the way, when they don't get paid. the military won't get paid. we don't need a government shutdown. yes,eople are unhappy with obamacare, but they don't want to shut down the government to do that. jon: so we have another debt ceiling debate coming up. that is the vehicle that republicans are hoping to use to force some changes in obamacare?
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>> yes, but i don't think they will be as rowdy as they were before because, then again, in 2014, if we lose the house, and the congress goes back to democrats and senate stays democratic, then we won't get any of our conservative policies through. so i think that now boehner and the tea partyers are actually looking at what can we do to defeat obamacare? how can we win this war on obamacare but basically, jon, we've talked about this for months where i'm hopeful yet still that the president and members of congress will lock themselves in a room and fix the policy, fix the legislation that is already been enacted. a lot of people see republicans as obstructionists but also this debacle has hurt obama because now his approval rating is 43%. jon: so talk about that medical device tax that you mentioned in the early going. >> yes. jon: if they strip that out of the bill, i mean that takes a healthy amount of the funding for obamacare, right? how can they make that happen?
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>> yes, it does and you have bipartisan support, jon for this. so conservatives are hopeful, if they put that in the continuing resolution on the senate side, or, if they have time on the house side and the clock is ticking to put that in the bill and that will be a big hit to obamacare. but then, you do have democrats that are standing lock in step, that will support in keeping that in. so kabuki theater continues. the saga still continues. jon: we'll see. let's, i guess, i hope they keep the government running, i don't know. angela mcglowan, thank you. >> thank you, jon. jenna: some new developments in the disappearance of a young girl as the mother of isla reynolds gives the little girl's father a piece of her mind. the little girl disappeared from his home more than a year ago. we'll keep you updated on that and what is next. as the administration prepares for a high level nuke clear meeting on iran, president
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the u.n. for several years. great to have you both with us today. >> great to be with you. jenna: jim, start with dinner. how was it? >> dinner was good. it was interesting. jenna you and i talked over the years. i've gone with dinners with ahmadinejad six times. this my first up close experience with the new president and i had two takeaways. one this guy is not ahmadinejad. not that he is smiling and blah, blah, he has completely different personality. when you're with ahmadinejad he is the smartest guy in the room whether he is or it's not. it is always about him. he is very peculiar personality. you can tell rouhani is a political professional. he is focused on the process and the second big thing that came out of this was not only is he not ahmadinejad, he wants a deal and wants it quick. he doesn't want a big deal that will take a lot of time and is complicated. he wants deal on nuclear that is small and get the ball rolling i can go back and sell in tehran. jenna: sounds like you're optimistic? >> i've seen this movie before
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and everyone find a way not to be successful. i think we'll have to wait for the results. i will say this, this is the best shot all the countries had in a long, long time. jenna: claudia, you've been at the u.n., and covering this event this week. the president of iran was at a non-proliferation meeting this morning. we have the meeting with the foreign minister, secretary of state this afternoon. how do you see this entire week being orchestrated? who we actually in a position now where the two side can work on a deal? >> this new president of iran is the same old wine even in not a very different bottle, actually. he is giving us a different set of things, he's more personable than ahmadinejad which is a very low bar and still works for alico main any the supreme leader. the speckel of this morning his stepping up to speak on a conference of nuclear disarmament was one of the most staggering displays of hip pocksy at the u.n. and that is where hp hypocrisy is the norm.
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agenda is not giving up iran's nuclear weapons. the agenda he is got further isolating israel in an effort to rally behind him with the non-aligned movement which iran chairs right now and the calls for the democratic companies with nuclear weapons to disarm. that is what this is really about. jenna: jim, one of the things we're hearing in response to what claudia is sharing as well, thisfy really, president rouhani, doesn't actually have any power. that is the ayatollah that is really controlling the country. then you have the head of the revolutionary guard pulling a lost strings so does rouhani really matter? >> i think absolutely he does. all the presidents in the past mattered. the supreme lead certificate most important actor. doesn't mean everyone else is just a puppet. today, jenna, david ignatius reported in "the washington post" that the u.s. intelligence agencies confirmed that the supreme leader has given rouhani power to negotiate a deal. that election result that we
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just had was such a shock. it was shock to me. it was a shock to iranians, and shock to iranians watchers, it sent a message to the supreme leader they will have to change direction. will they turn into sweden? no. i have to disagree with my colleague. they do not have nuclear weapons that is really big error. they have a nuclear program. they don't have nuclear weapons. national intelligence director said they have a the capability, not a weapons program. there is opportunity. rouhani wants to do it. will khomeni give him enough rope to produce something. if he produces something that is -- jenna: claudia, the point you're making we continue to hear, whether you can trust any of these individuals not to take nuclear power to become a nuclear power. not just one nuclear weapon it may be 200 nuclear weapons. that may be the big question who can we trust. >> you can't trust them, you can't trust this deal at all. i didn't say or if i said i didn't mean to that we think
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iran has nuclear weapons. they are clearly making nuclear weapons and of course they want a deal. the thing they will do with the deal is cheat. this is the been the hallmark. look, the foreign minister of iran, when he was am ambassador to the u.n., spent part of his time runing a front company operation off fifth avenue, sending millions of dollars back to iran. this is a complete violation of the arrangement to be at the u.n. and what we're seeing this week is an incredible manipulation of the u.n. and international body meant to promote world peace. jenna: jim, we continue to hear, go down the diplomatic chance, give it one more chance. that's what we hear from the and our leaders but haven't we been down this path so many times as claudia mentioned? >> i would say no. the last negotiations we had were in 2009. there have been no negotiations since 2009. there had been an agreement in 2003 which was successful agreement, that suspended enrichment for two years and then that fell apart for reasons we can go into. there has been more, over this
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30-year period it has been marked by the absence of negotiations more than often than it has been the presence of negotiation of the as i say, this is the first real negotiation in five years. it is first time today in, you know, a decades that you have a secretary of state and a foreign minister, who i know personally and i'm, i don't welcome those ad homonym attacks, that, that they are meeting together to talk about a deal. so this is, we haven't seen this in a long, long time. never really saw this during ahmadinejad and even before. so, you know, at the end of the day it could lead to nothing. there are opponents, clearly, there are opponents in the united states against diplomacy and there are opponents in iran, hard-liners equally hard liners in iran against diplomacy. this stuff can fall apart. my only point is this is as good a chance as any country has had in more than a decade. jenna: claudia, your final thoughts, a good final chance in diplomacy? is this the final path? >> the best chance we've had in years, to be completely snookered while iran buys itself
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time to make nuclear weapons. jenna: jim, claudia, nice to have you both. we look forward to having you back. it's a big story. >> thanks, jenna. jon: a string of arson fires terrifying folks in a major city. at least six fires breaking out along a major boulevard. now there is a possible break in the case to tell you about. a whole high school football team gets benched. we'll tell you why the coach decided to pull his players, all of them, off the field. you need a girls' weekend and you need it now. ladies, let's goo vegas.
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jon: right now some new information on some crime stories we're keeping an eye on. police in los angeles arrest a suspected arsonist.
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they believe the 50-year-old man set trashcan fires along busy ventura boulevard. one of the fires spread to a nearby building doing $20,000 worth of damage. a distraught mother confronts of father of her missing daughter. toddler ayla reynolds disappeared more than a year ago. the father was in court yesterday for unrelated case. but outside of a the crowd called him a murderer and the child's mother chased him down. the police found the little girl's blood at the father's home. they do not expect her to be found alive. he has not been charged in that case. attorneys for james holmes ask the judge to take documents off the website and seal hearing transcript. they argue that they are preventing their client from geting a fair trial. he is accused of killing a dozen people in a crowded movie theater in aurora, colorado. jenna: a high school coach in utah benching his entire team
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before a big game because he was fed up with their behavior. patti ann browne with breaking details. what did the team do. >> this is geting a lot of buzz nationwide a varsity football team at high school in utah was suspended by the coach in an effort to improve the players behavior. matt labrum from roosevelt high school in said there were complaints from players, including cyber bullingly, cutting teach classes and lack of respect for teachers. this week instead of practicing players are performing community service, studying and attending a class on character development. they also have to write a report about their actions. and to be allowed back on the team, the players are required to show up on time for all of their classes and keep their grades up. >> it's an honor to put on your school's jersey, i think sometimes we lose that fact in this world of me, me. >> good character is more to be praised than outstanding talent. >> no, i want part of the
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disrespect but i saw it go on just as much as everybody else and i'm just as much at fault for not making it stop. >> the school supports the effort but some parents and players were initially upset that an entire team was punished for individuals behavior. however, some now say they hope this initiative prompts kids who stood by silently to speak up, even if they were not involved. the team also elected new captains after the suspension and emphasizing the need for positive leadership. most of the students, jenna, have already earned back their jerseys and with the homecoming game scheduled for this friday, the others are highly motivated to get back the privilege of playing football. jenna: bold move bit coach but sounds, sounds like a good coach. that is the type that we need, jon? a little applause for the coach. patti ann, thank you very much. what a story. that's cool. jon: good for him. as you probably remember last year's flu season was one of the worst on record. now we're getting getting
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jenna: new devether plan to keep the government running, at least for a little while. the offer republicans could put on the table coming up, we are live on capitol hill. also, chilling new video of the terror attack in kenya. some big questions now over how safe we are at shopping malls here in the u.s. and with flu season nearly upon us, a major new report from the cbc, how bad this year's outbreak is expected to be. ♪ ♪ jon: so you want a budget deal, jenna? jenna: you know what? at this point, when angela mcglowan told us last hour she wished the president and lawmakers could just lock themselves in a room, i thought
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she was going to say and throw away the key -- she didn't say that -- jon: time is running out, republicans are preparing to wage a two-front war on obamacare. i'm jon scott. jenna: hi, everybody, welcome to the second hour of "happening now," i'm jenna lee. we'll continue to follow this step by step and try to work through it. there is word this morning that house leaders are trying to tie the fight over the health care law to a bill on the debt limit, so that would delay the threat of a government shutdown just a couple of weeks. wouldn't get ir 1st, but we could get it in mid october when they say that the treasury department might run out of money, we'd need to raise the debt limit. that is the deadline for when we need to pool the debt limit up. right know we're near $17 trillion. if that is not met, the u.s. could default on its bills for the first time in history. here's house speaker john boehner a short time ago. >> on the debt limit, we're going to introduce a plan to ties spending cuts and
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pro-growth reforms to a debt limit increase. now, the president says i'm not going to negotiate. well, i'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. we're not going to ignore washington's spending problem, and we're not going to accept this new normal of a weak economy, no new jobs and shrinking wages. jenna: well, in the meantime, the senate is dealing with a separate house bill to keep the government funded while gutting obamacare. democrats are accusing the gop of playing politics. here's majority leader harry reid. >> we're cutting without a plan, the worst thing a country or company can do, and we're doing it because one of our two parties has been taken over by angry radicals and barking fools, and the old leadership is running scared. but when the republican party
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goes this far off the rails, it is challenging president obama to challenge his rates, and thus as a great country with so much potential, slowly become ungreat. jenna: angry radicals and barking fools. that sounds like a great way to start the negotiations. mike emanuel is neither of those things, he's joining us from capitol hill with more. so what is actually happening? we just heard from harry reid in the senate, mike, but what are senate republicans saying or doing today? >> reporter: well, in a kinder moment if his remarks, jenna, senator reid threw out the idea of the senate possibly voting as soon as today on a government funding bill to give the house as much time as possible to take action. another leadership aide told me there's at least some bipartisan interest in doing that, so we wait and see if they can clear all the hoops to move up voting to today as opposed to saturday or tomorrow. over in the house, they're watching and preparing a response to what the senate does and making it clear they don't plan to just rubber stamp what
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democrats want to do. >> now, for too long president obama and his democratic colleagues in the senate have chosen to ignore our looming debt crisis. and president obama's plan has been and is still more debt and no reform. and the american people have resoundingly rejected this idea. >> reporter: fox news has confirmed west virginia democrat joe manchin, senator joe manchin at a bloomberg event this morning said that he would support a government spending bill that delays the obamacare individual mandate, that is big because a lot of republicans are trying to pick off some democratic members to see if they can do something about delaying or defunding obamacare. manchin said about delaying the individual mandate, there's no way he could not vote for it. it's very reasonable and sensible, expect he'll get a few phone calls from senate democratic leadership, jenna.
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jenna: very interesting. senator barrasso on our show yesterday said the same thing, he was looking at the individual mandate. obviously, barrasso's a republican, but this sets up an interesting debate as we move into the debt ceiling debate in the next few weeks. so are house democratic leaders preparing for that? what are they saying about the individual mandate or otherwise? >> reporter: we do expect an update from the house democratic leadership. this is a big day because house members are just coming back to town, so they're getting a real sense of where their individual members stand on these various issues. there's some irritation about republicans continuing to go after obamacare, and one key house democrat talked about the frustration of dealing with the gop. >> if you read the papers today, they say, okay, the united states will pay its bills, but only if you adopt the entire house republican agenda; anti-environmental laws, get rid of the affordable care act for a year. that's irresponsible. the responsible way to do it is the way the law prescribes.
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>> reporter: tension clearly building here on capitol hill as the house waits for the senate to pass a bill to keep the government up and running and then all will await what the house does in response, jenna? jenna: and we will. mike, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. jon: now, a fox news alert and just moments ago the attorney general, eric holder, commented on the deadly terror attack at that upscale mall in nairobi, kenya. listen to his remarks. >> fbi agents have been on the ground since right after the incident began. we have been flowing resources into nairobi on a continuing basis. we've had conversations about this matter both here and at the white house. i've been briefed on a daily basis and sometimes more than one time per day. so this is a matter that we're working, i think, closely with our kenyan colleagues on -- good relationship with law enforcement in kenya.
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jon: and we continue to get new information on that brutal attack as eric holder just mentioned. fbi agents pouring through -- poring through the rubble of nairobi's westgate mall hoping to identify the attackers, some of whom might have been americans. they're also seeing what they can learn about what happened there and gather some of the evidence. trying to prevent anything like what happened in kenya from happening here. this as the same somali-based terror group that took over the mall killing dozens of people just attacked a security post near the somali border. they killed two police officers in that attack. the terror group, al-shabaab, vowing to continue violence until kenyan troops withdraw from somalia. meanwhile, more survivors of the terror attack at the mall are speaking out about their harrowing ordeal and about looking right into the face of evil. >> he was right -- he just randomly started shooting at everyone, and there was this competition taking place of
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kids. there were so many kids with us as well, and he was just shooting at anyone he just found. i was next to this teenage boy who lay down there. he was lying flat on his stomach , and he seemed hurt. i wasn't so sure where. and he kept on breathing very, very heavily. so i asked a laid just next to me if she -- a lady just next to me if she had water that we could help the kid out with and, unfortunately, there was nothing that she had. he kept on breathing, and his phone kept on ringing because i was close to him. his phone continuously kept on ringing, and i tried to see that this was an attraction, that the ringing phone could bring the terrorists back to us. so i quickly tried to look for the phone, and i checked in his pocket, i checked in his pockets, there was nothing, and i moved closer to him, and there was a phone, i could hear a
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phone ringing under him. so i put my hand under his stomach. that's when i realized he was shot, because he was bleeding. so i pulled out the phone slowly, and i tried to switch it off. it was all full of blood, and i tried to switch off the phone so that it could stop ringing. jon: some terrible stories -- so many terrible stories like that. interpol issuing an arrest notice for samantha lewthwait sexer is the widow of a suicide bomber behind the london attacks of 2005. now she is suspected of some kind of involvement in the attack on the mall in my roby. conor powell is live in jerusalem for us. >> reporter: well, jon, there's no direct evidence linking samantha lewthwaite to the attack, but survivors did talk about a pale-faced woman, and there's a lot of suspicion that she was part of the planning or an attacker herself.
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interpol issued a red notice, essentially flagging her passport, making her a wanted woman around the world, compelling all the members of interpol to, basically, arrest her if they find her. this comes as an international team of investigators including ones from the u.s. and great britain comb through the rubble there looking for clues, trying to determine what exactly happened during that four-day-long attack. we understand they're collecting blood and hair and fingerprint and dna evidence. kenyan officials also say they're expanding the search for other suspects connected to the westgate attack. they believe there is a large network of al-shabaab militants who helped plan and carry out the attack. really this is an international effort from the united states and israel and lots of different countries that are contributing to this. but right now there are more questions than answers, including the red cross says, jon, there are more than 70 people still missing. so the task at hand over the course of the next few days is really gigantic. they're trying to not only locate some of the missing
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individuals, but also try to piece together, jon, what exactly happened and who was all behind it. jon? jon: let's hope they do get to the bottom of it. conor powell in jerusalem, thank you. jenna: back here in the united states as we get closer to full implementation of obamacare, millions of americans are wondering just how much this is going to cost them. the obama administration is touting very affordable rates. critics of the plan, though, say that those rates are really just optimistic estimates, and we're going to see a different story. jim engel's live from washington to work through all of this for us. >> reporter: hello, jenna. well, the administration offered the most detailed information so far about obamacare this week and insisted it will do what the president pledged. >> the affordable care act will deliver on its promise to make health insurance more affordable and accessible for americans. >> unfortunately, you can go all through that hhs report and not be able to answer the most important question: will my insurance rates go up in 2014. >> they cherry picked the data
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in order to highlight the fact that people of low income will benefit under the law, but people of middle income will not. and they didn't really talk about that. >> reporter: now, the new law requires the additioning of what it calls essential benefits, a long list of things that must be covered. the manhattan institute analyzed rates around the country and argues that for people of medium income, costs will soar up by as much as 99% for men and up about 55% for women. >> even if the average american gets some subsidy, a partial subsidy, that partial subsidy won't be must have to overcome the dramatic -- enough to overcome the dramatic increase in the cost of insurance that obamacare imposes on the market. >> reporter: now, the plan will clearly help the very poor, but one of the factors the administration does not talk about is deductibles and co-pays which will substantially drive up the costs more all but the poorest, even those in the cheapest of plans, what is known as the bronze plan.
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>> if you're in a bronze plan, the premiums are going to be relatively low, you know? as hhs said, in some cases people won't pay premiums as all. but there are going to be very high out-of-pocket costs, and deductibles in some cases over $5,500. >> reporter: so a person with a plan at that level might only pay $100 a month in premiums, but the deductible will add almost $500 more a month, and that doesn't even count the co-pays, jenna. jenna: jim angle live in washington, d.c., thank you. >> reporter: you bet. jon: the devil is in the details, right? it was an epic 21 hours and 19 minutes, but senator ted cruz's blitz against obamacare is coming in for some harsh criticism. our next guest believes the senator is selling his supporters short. we'll talk to her about that. plus, health experts issuing a severe warning for the flu. why they think the coming season could be very dangerous if you don't get yourself vaccinated.♪
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jon: "happening now," a harsh review for senator ted cruz's marathon attack on obamacare. the hill's a.b. stoddard calling cruz's 21-plus hours on the senate floor nothing more than a ruse and a big letdown for millions of the tea party faithful rallying to the senator's call to defund obamacare by any means necessary, even if it leads to a government shutdown. stoddard writes, quote: jon: well, the woman who wrote those words, a.b. stoddard, associate editor and columnist for "the hill," joins us now. threw them under the bus, how so, a.b.? >> well, senator cruz and senator lee started this summer on this effort to defund
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obamacare at any cost including shutting down the government, and he went on a tour funded by the heritage foundation, attracted large audiences and started a petition drive online at defundobamacarenow or something like that where he says republicans can stop obamacare if we refuse to fund it. that is not true. that's just false. on the web site you can, of course, doe mate to the -- donate to the cause, 1.7 million, excuse me, signed up almost. yesterday there was a thing where you could watch his billly buster live -- filibuster as if he was actually going to stop something. of course, the results were already known. ted cruz, in the mean meanwhile, with the outside groups he was aligned with put enormous pressure on house republicans in these last few months with people calling, shutting down their offices, begging them to defund obama carat risk of all else including shutting down the
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government, something they knew they couldn't do because it required a two-thirds majority in the house and the senate to override a presidential veto. no one ever told these passionate grassroots supporters that this is what it requires, that it will take more elections, a majority in the senate, and ultimately a republican president. in that vein he budget telling them -- he wasn't telling them the truth, he snookered them into this process. they've given lots of money and passionate time to recording phone calls and attacking house republicans and everything else at which point ruse -- cruz was forced to relent last week and say i guess it's true, it'll take a few more elections. jon: but at the same time, i mean, the tea party faithful are passionate about supporting this guy, and, you know, they like to see a guy who stands up for what he believes in. >> i think it's great to stand up and fight, and i think there are a lot of fighters in the congress on both sides for their causes, and they take principled stance. i'm not arguing with purity. and i'm not even arguing with him criticizing his fellow republicans. i think what is unfair is the
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fact that he's convinced the grassroots that this was possible, and it absolutely was never possible. it's going to, as i said, require more votes, votes that the party doesn't have right now in congress to overturn a presidential veto, and until they do that, there's no defunding obamacare. jon: all right. a.b. stoddard from "the hill," thank you. >> thank you. jenna: an interesting look at that. well, it's being called the greatest sports comeback ever, although some red sox fans, as we know, are disagreeing with that. oracle team usa's stunning come-from-behind victory to keep america's cup here where it longs. our sports caster, jim gray, on where this feat really stands. very pretty to see. we'll talk to jim about it. also, what happened at a packed kenyan mall possibly with americans involved raising concerns that a similar attack could happen here on american soil. right before the holidays, here we are. how big is the threat here in
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jenna: well, it may have happened half a world away, but the attack on a shopping mall in kenya is raising big questions here. how easy would it be for terrorists to do the same thing on american soil? a concern underscored when you hear what one survivor says about how he witnessed a killing -- the killing of an unarmed mall security guard. >> i saw the security guard was shot through his head, because i saw blood flash out from his head, and he fell flat out instantly. and he remained in a position motionless for the rest of the time i was there.
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and before i could actually take in what was happening, that's when i saw the second gunman actually pointing his rifle at me. and it was a moment i don't know what to, what exactly it felt like because i remember i must have let out a cry, but i don't know exactly what i said. i don't know if it was loud or if it was in my head, but i remember i ask god why would you want to do this to me? jenna: wow. what an account in the wake of the horror in kenya. the mall of america, the nation's largest shopping mall in the united states, is also addressing its security. the megamall is located in minnesota which is also home to the nation's largest somali population. that matters because al-shabaab, a terror group with roots in somalia, masterminded the mall attack in kenya, and the group recruits or has recruited in the past in the twin city area. we reached out to the mall of america, we wanted to learn more about what they were doing security wise, and they provided us a statement. they said, quote:
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jenna: so that coming from the mall of america. a spokesman for the company that's the nation's largest privately-held developer that owns and manages 12 enclosed malls and 40-plus open malls, bob strang is co-chair of the terrorism consortium, he consults with companies, nice to have you both today. joe, let me start with you. what about this event in kenya? are have you made any changes security wise in the light of what happened there? >> well, jenna n light of what happened, no, because we started thinking about this a long time ago after the september 11th terrorist attacks. the head of our security division as well as our principal owners started
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thinking in earnest about just how many people consider shopping malls soft targets. our intention was to make them harder. and so we've undertaken a lot of different changes since that time, and most notably in spite of looking inward, we've also looked outward and made overtures to law enforcement everywhere we operate shopping malls and invited them inside to train for just such a possibility. we've invited them to do training drills, mock disaster drills, active shooter drills, and we've done dozens of these in the past nine years or so -- jenna: and we have a map, by the way, i just want to show our viewers, because your sites are all over the country, as i mentioned, more than 50. do you work, do you do drills, you say, with law enforcement and with your security, do you hire private security companies? do you do these drills with your tenants and with your retailers? how do you approach that side of it? >> well, we have our own internal security. we have a security division which provides security in the
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form that a lot of people see in the form of uniformed guards in the malls. a lot of layers of security they don't see both human and electronic, and in terms of external, we have very close working relationships with local law enforcement everywhere from the county sheriff up to the fbi working to decide what is the best manner to address this. and we also work with our tenants, the merchants in our malls, because they need to know how to react should an emergency arise. jenna: well -- >> so we've refined some of those methods to make that all work properly. jenna: it sounds like a good idea. you know, bob, we were interested to talk to joe because they've been in front of this and have addressed, their trying to continue to address security concerns in the malls, but we don't want to be solely dependent upon the owners and operators of a mall for our security or really anywhere. is there anything that we can do, bob, just individually in a mall n a big, open space to make sure if something bad happens, we make the right move? >> well, jenna, i always say,
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you know, first of all, if you see something suspicious, make sure you let a guard or employee know right away. most importantly, if something does happen, try to get away, try to get out. know where the exits are when you go to a movie theater, when you go to the mall. no matter where you are in a public space, have a plan in the back of your head how to get out of there. it's very important. but, you know, joe is ahead of the curve here. there are so many stories -- stores, so many malls that need to implement -- it's almost like having a small town. you need a police chief, technology, you have to have intelligence working with the local law enforcement, you've got to have enforcement operations, you've got to have armed guards -- jenna: well, and let me ask joe that. joe, for your security teams in the states where it is allowed, are they carrying weapons with them? >> very often not. and because we realize that in the absence of something along the lines of a paramilitary security force, you're not going to be that effective. what's most effective, and bob
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alluded to it, is being aware and being cognizant of what's happening, situational awareness. jenna: i just want to get bob's final thoughts on that. bob, do you think in these situations armed guards is something that -- where do you see some of the holes that come up when you do your consulting? >> yeah. armed guards, i feel and we consult with retail locations, we're doing security, audits and assessments around the world, in this crazy world that we live in, it's very important to have armed guards who are trained. and look at the veterans who are coming home every day that have been trained that could fit into these jobs very well. those are the kinds of things that we need to focus on. jenna: it seems like that's a separate debate, and we look forward to having you both back, because it is something that we'll be thinking of especially going into the holiday season. nice to have you both. thank you so much. >> thanks, jenna. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. jon: but the hiring veterans, no debate about that. jenna: that's true. jon: no concerns over -- new concerns, i should say, over high-tech terrorism.
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jenna: well breaking this hour, a new effort to minimize the impact of the flu this season which could be good news for all of us. the national foundation for infectious diseases wrapping up
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a news conference in washington, d.c. today. dr. marc siegel is live from our new york city newsroom with more on all this of. dr. siegel. >> jenna, last year's flu season came very early and particularly deadly with 161 children killed and highest number of elderly hospitalized since these records started being kept almost a decade ago. this year the national foundation for infectious diseases is trying to stay ahead of the flu season by launching a campaign for vaccination. >> last year we had the earliest onset of flu in nearly a decade. the u.s. experienced particularly high morbidity and mortality, with very high hospitalization rates and reports of deaths in children. the knowledge that much of this suffering could have been prevented with vaccination. >> vaccination rates are reaching unprecedented levels among children. 57% last year. and half of pregnant women are finally getting their flu shots
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but the numbers still need to be much higher. you may be young and healthy but flu can still get you. the fewer that have it, the fewer that will get it. that is an important concept known as herd immunity. >> you need to get vaccinated before you're exposed to influenza for the vaccine to work. the first cough or fever is not the first time it think about the flu vaccination. >> it emphasized need for health care workers to be vaccinated in order to protect their patients this is particularry important. the percentage last year was up to 72% over 90% is ideal. new vaccine options are available this year including a stronger one for the elderly, which covers more strains of flu and one for those of you weeing allergies. jenna. jenna: did you get your flu shot, doc? >> i'm getting it soon. i'm a health care worker. i warrant them all to get it. jenna: i'm signed up for tuesday at work. i told jon, i signed up and
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moved my appointment three times and never got it. this year will be different, doc, i problem is. >> or i will bring you one. jenna: i don't want that. thank you. >> good to see you. jenna: you will hold me to it there we go. jon: the mall attack in kenya is raising lots of new concerns that terror groups are adapting modern technology and evolving in the process. the al qaeda affiliate responsible for the massacre said to include extremists from the u.s., britain and canada, showing how terror groups have really become a global brand, thanks in large part to the internet. they are embracing modern technology to recruit and radicalize new members. talk about with con conklin. the defense editor for london's telegraph newspaper. he wrote the book, churchhill's first war, young winston and the fight against the taliban. so the internet and, you know, s actually enabled and made these
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groups more dangerous in your view? >> hi, there, jon. yes, i think that's, this new phenomenon of the technologically savvy islamist terrorist is something that is really causing concern on both sides of the atlantic. in the old days when you go back to the start of bin laden, his cell was basically in afghanistan or the sudan. we knew basically where they were. we could see people going in and out of the training camps. but these days, al qaeda and its affiliates are appealing to people over the internet. they're publishing videos basically showing their deeds around the world. and encouraging young men, young muslims in america and britain and europe, throughout the world to join the cause. jon: yeah. in this case, in this attack these groups were supposedly on twitter even naming the names of those who took part. what is the purpose of that?
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>> well this is where it gets rather interesting because, as you said, jon, during the attack in kenya people who said they were members of al-shabaab, the group that claimed responsibility for the attack, issued lists of names of those taking part on twitter. but then a few hours later, other people were saying, these names were wrong. so that begs the question, was this a deliberate ploy to mislead the security authorities trying to tackle this terrorist event, or was this a legitimate attempt to, to glorify those taking part? and of course, for the intelligence officials examining what precisely happened in kenya, this makes it all the more difficult to get to the bottom of who is behind the attack. jon: and war al-awlaki was said to be the first islamic radical who really utilized the
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internet, realized the valid you of it and was able to recruit people through his sermons he put online. is this sort of his legacy? >> right, i think it is. the american-born cleric, awlaki, who was killed in a drone strike a couple years ago really masterminded this whole purpose of indoctrinating young radical young muslims throughout the world. he would put on videos from his base in yemen, basically exhorting young muslims to join jihad, to, showing pictures of terrorist attacks, attacks on america and british troops in afghanistan and elsewhere and basically telling young muslims to pick up their guns and carry on attacks and of course what's really difficult about this new technological development is it makes, it very difficult for the intelligence authorities to track what's going on because people read this, see this on
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their computers at home, and it just makes it very difficult to see who is going to respond to these appeals and who is not. >> enter the national security agency in this country and its data collection and the debate that that has kicked off. con cooughlin, thank you. >> precisely, jon. all the best. jenna: as we near the one-year anniversary of superstorm sandy towns up and down the jersey shore are preparing for the next big storm. not everyone agrees on the best way to go about that. coming up we'll talk about the fight and the debate. plus a growing campaign against a bill designed to create jobs in the timber industry. who is upset and why. a live report next.
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jenna: there's a new chapter in the debate over protecting the environment at the expense of american workers. when the house passed forestry
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legislation last week the plan was to allow more logging on federal land and save jobs and the timber communities across the country but environmentalists are now vowing a fight in the senate over that. of dan springer is live in our seattle bureau with the fair and balanced look. dan? >> reporter: yeah, jenna, this battle is critical in many timber counties in southern oregon is specially where they have been bleeding jobs for a couple of decades. we went to josephine county in southern oregon a valley that used to have 20 sawmills and at one time was the fastest growing in the state. just recently the last one shut down. the rough and ready mill cut timber into wood, door and window frames for homes for 91 years. the problem is that the federal government owns 80% of the land in the county and timber sales have been slowed to a crawl since the spotted owl was listed as endangered species. 85 people lost their jobs. >> you just can't run a business no matter how you adapt, if you don't have the raw material and log supply to run that business. >> reporter: many of these rural
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counties have not been able to replace the timber jobs. unemployment in cave junction, which is home to rough and ready is at 20%. nearly a third of all josephine county residents are using food stamps. environmental groups say a return to the old logging days would be a big mistake. they opposed a bill that passed the house last week which would put 1.8 million-acres of oregon forest land into a trust to be managed for timber harvesting. the bill would make it much harder for groups to sewage to block timber sales. >> this would be a giveaway of public land that would be managed exclusively for timber with all the damage that would come about from clear-cutting on steep slopes, from the loss of salmon, the loss of these public values. >> reporter: so far there has been no action on the bill in the senate, if it were to pass senior advisors of president obama said they will recommend a veto. meanwhile timber counties continue to lay off deputies and let prisoners out of their jails. jenna? jenna: dan, thank you. jon: an international manhunt
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underway now for the so-called "white widow." she is a british fugitive suspected of playing a role in the kenya mall massacre. the latest coming up in a live report. and oracle team usa wins america's cup. it was a thrilling come from behind victory. could it be the greatest comeback in history? sportscaster jim gray joins us with with his thoughts. this is for you.
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jenna: well it, was the kind of athletic feat sports fans live for.
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oracle team usa making an incredible comeback to win the america's cup sailing competition. the team winning race after race on the way to victory. adding to the drama the team is owned by billionaire larry ellison was docked two points for illegally modifying boats in the warm-up regattas. that added intrigue to the whole thing. jim gray joins us now. i could talk a little bit about base fall and -- baseball and football but the america's cup, how is the entire competition is set up? >> the entire competition is the first one to win nine. as you point out they were docked two points before they started some they actually had to win 11 races. being docked two points it was like having a ball boy for a super bowl team. your team having one of those balls too much inflated. so they were docked two points t was a penalty that was ridiculous. then you have to go out and try to win the game. so they won 11 races. usually just to nine but team,
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usa, the oracle team had to win 11 race this is year. to come back, they were down 8-1. they rattled off seven consecutive victories. they would have lost the cup, interestingly enough, on sent 20th, jenna but you have to complete the race in 40 minutes. the kiwi was way ahead and would have won the race but the winds were so light and they couldn't finish on the timeline. it gave the americans another chance so it was lucky race. jenna: we have unbelievable video pro this race, the first-of-its-kind because they're trying to promote this sport into being a spectator sport much like football. it is exciting to watch, jim. it is tough to know how does this compac, compete if you will with other huge comebacks we've seen in the entire sporting field? >> well, the ledge enof this will grow. as you pointed out a lot of people didn't see this they're just not fans of this. it is not on over-the-air
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television. it is on cable television which really doesn't detract from it but it is not mainstream. it costs $200 million for larry ellison to have his team participate and other teams that came in, the qiwi spent $84 million. three other teams participated. it will not just resonate n terms of the years of athletic achievement and excellence. everybody remembers reggie miller scoring 8 points in nine seconds for the indiana pacers in a nba playoff game against the new york knicks in madison square garden. everybody remembers that the buffalo bills came back and won after being down 35-3 to houston oilers in 1993 and won in the second half. everybody remembers that red sox were down 0-3. no team had come back and won the series. they were down to the yankees and came back to win. they are mainstream sports. soth is a great compac and it will grow as i say over the
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years but people just are not as aware of it. jenna: we're not taking anything away. we're glad they won. we would be glad if they didn't. it is not to have a little context as well. thanks, jim. >> great victory. jon: happened in your hometown. jenna: beautiful when it does for everybody that is there. we congratulate the team, right, jon? jon: good for them. you heard the saying a hockey game broke out during a fight. well, the benches cleared at last night's braves-brewers game virtually everybody wanted to mix it up. we'll tell you how it started and how it ended. coming up. >> right in the middle of that. [shouting] >> what is -- ♪ lyrics: 'take on me...'
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>> fireworks on a right cross in the diamond after a big homerun. he stepped up to bat and we are talking about carlos gomez and he had words at the braves'
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catcher and then gomez stood there and watched the ball. he starts jawing in the brave's fielders and then things go south. >> check this out. (bleep) >> getting face-to-face with gomez. he has not stepped on the plate yet. and now they reach out and they land a cross to gomez. and then the bench is clearing in atlanta. >> gomez never touched home plate because they counted home plate and he was ejected with two other players. the brewers went on to win. 12- 2 not sportsmanship. >> you played college soft ball? >> i never did. that >> you are pretty competitive. >> i am. you know the utah football coach
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who did the story about the high school team and the football coach didn't like what was going on with the players and he suspeppeded many of the players. that's the way you take control of athletes when they are not behaving probably. athletes and news anchors? >> maybe teach something to gomez and the rest of the brewers. >> thank you for joining us today. snshg america live starts right now. >> we begin with a fox news alert. president obama making a hard sell of the healthy care law today 24 hours before a vote capitol hill on a resolution to strip the law of its funding and keep the government funded. welcome to america live. i am in shannon in for megyn kelliy. the senate is debating a house continuing resolution that prevents a government shutdown next week and also defund obama
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care. senate democrats are expected to that take out and kick it back to the house and we are back to where we started. as that drama plays out. president obama is pitching the health care law to young people who are playing a crucial role in funding the entire thing. nsome are afraid of the government shutdown if they can't shut down the law. and others threatened an economic shut down by refusing to pay america's bills if they can't delay the law. that's not going to happen as long as i am president. >> talk about it. cries stierwall. host of fox news.com. hello, chris. another speech. >> i thought the election was over. i remember the election distinctly? >> i did. it

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