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"media buzz." we'll continue our conversation online and on our home page. online and on our home page. i'm chris wallace. washington barrels toward a government shutdown. congress in a standoff over a plan to fund the government past midnight on monday. and a dispute over obamacare. >> our message to congress is this. do not shutdown the government and do not shutdown the economy. pass a budget on time and pay our bills on time. >> if this government shuts down it is because you have not accepted the compromise that republicans have reached out to you and offered. >> the house republicans stand firm in their effort to derail obamacare. voting to delay it a year. as the clock ticks we will ask the house gop with congressman kevin mccarthy what is their
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strategy. it is a fox news sunday exclusive. then the next phase of the president's health care law starts on tuesday when uninsured americans can start shopping for coverage through on-line market places. >> if you want to buy insurance on your own this saw lot easier. it is like booking a hotel or a plane ticket. >> two leading senators debate how obamacare can affect you. republican mike lee wants the law repealed. plus, our sunday panel weighs in on the historic phone calls between president obama and iranian president ro-hani and our power player of the week. an american hero who received the nation's highest award for bravery on the battlefield. >> i looked out from under my helmet and all of these marines were looking at me and saying okay, lieu tenant, what do we do? >> it is all right now on fox news sunday.
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and hello again from fox news in washington. we are now just hours away from a potential government shutdown. most of us were sleeping and the house passed a revamped spending bill that added conditions that they call unacceptable. joining me now is the man in charge of counting votes in the house, the republican kevin mccarthy. congressman, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thanks for having me. >> now you have a measure to keep funding obamacare, but with a year delay in -- keep funding the government rather, but with a year delay in obamacare and also a repeal of the tax on medical devices. now harry reid, the senate majority leader says tts dead on arrival when they come back into session on monday afternoon. it is 10 hours before the shutdown. i know you want them to pass it, but let's assume they don't pass it. they are true to their word. what do you do then?
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>> well, you assume they won't, but there were 79 senators who voted for to end the pacemaker tax. you have the president 10 times this year every month delaying a portion of obamacare. just last week he did it while he was criticizing us for delay. let's have the debate. let's allow those senators in the states they need to -- >> it is a privileged motion and they don't have to debate it. with 51 votes they can throw it in the trashcan. >> he can throw it back. when you look at the american public learning what is going on in this bill, opposing it. you go to louisiana and alaska and you go to these states who are overly opposing it and there are difficult races i think they will have to be pressuring their leader to say let us have that vote. >> assume they reject it as they say they hillary ject it. what will the house do then. >> i think the house will get back together and send another
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provision not to shut the government down and they will have a few other options. when you look at what has transpired since obamacare has moved forward we have created 840,000 jobs in this country and more than 90% have been part-time because of obamacare. that creates a part-time economy and a part-time community. in the end it creates a part-time america. it will fund the government and still delay the movement of obamacare. >> here is what president obama said about this situation on friday. >> my message to coming is this. do not shutdow do not shutdown the economy. pass a budget on time. pay our bills on time. >> now this will be the first government shutdown if it happens in 17 years and 800,000 federal workers low-income furloughed and
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economists say it will hurt a fairly weak recovery. congress -- congressman, are you willing to risk that? >> we are not shutting the government down. we were here working until 1:00 a.m. to make sure we didn't shut the government down and we put a funding bill across. the difference here is you just listen to the president talk to the president of iran. talk to putin. but he won't sit and talk to the representatives of the american people. they like to come through and deal with this problem. you have found the president went out to the american people and said if you have your health care and you like it, you can keep it. this letter right here is to a widow in nerming new jersey who happened to be the mother of -- in new jersey who happened to be the mother of one of my staffers and it said they cannot renew next year. this is an opportunity when you find that obamacare is not going to work to delay it. >> let me ask you a couple of quick questions and a couple of qek answers. quick answers. assume thaght senators do they
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say what they are going to do and reject this measure will you pass a clean cr with democratic votes and send it back to the senate to avoid a shutdown. >> this is not a place to negotiate, but we will pass a bill if the senate does what you think they will do that will keep the government open and that will reflect the house that i believe the senate can accept. they will have fundamental changes that can protect the economy for america. >> so there will be an obamacare amendment. it won't be a clean cr. >> i think there will be additions i found in the senate and that the senate democrats say they can support. you just heard a senator from west virginia that is a democrat and has said why does the president just treat business one way, but he won't treat an individual another way. i think there is big support that we can pass that will fundamentally help the economy of america. >> if the delay and the whole
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deal and the de fund are off the table what is on the table? >> there are a lot of items on the table. you have spent more time negotiating with me than the president spent time negotiating on this. this is one of the biggest problems facing america. how many times have you found the biggest unions in america partnering with business. it is destroying the economy. it is breaking the backbone of america. no longer are we having full full time jobs. this bill is creating a part-time america. >> how about the possibility of a short-term clean cr keep funding the government two or three days just so you can avoid the shutdown and keep this going and give yourselves more time. >> we will not shut the government down. we have to negotiate a little longer we will continue to negotiate. >> a very short-term cr is a possibility. >> the thing i continue to look at, we do not want to shut the government down. that's why we have continued
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to pass funding bills, but you can't have a part-time america and ignore the problem. you cannot have a president that passes legislation and says he won't deal with the subject. and you think that he won't sign a bill? do you realize that he has signed seven bills that have changed provisions inside obamacare. there are 70 democrats sitting in the house today that have voted for one form or another of that. so there is a -- and when you look at the american public the more they learn about it, the majority is opposed to it. >> congressman, let's be honest, you did not want to be in this position. the fact is that speaker boehner and all of you in the leadership wanted to send the senate a bill that would fund the government. it would have a de fund obamacare and it could be taken out and passed and that was refused by members of your caucus. then you wanted to switch past a clean cr and have a fight over the debt limit. and again the so-called tea party faction of republicans, congressman refused. it raises the question who is
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running the house right now? >> never doubt. if you watched the vote last night unanimous republicans voting for it. inning side the -- inside the house and inside the senate. we have different strategies. this is a much bigger issue. this is the direction of america. we have a $17 trillion debt. it is larger than the entire economy. we have a part-time american job creation. 90% of all jobs created in the last year were part-time. this is a much bigger issue about what we are spending our money on and what is coming into this country. >> a couple of final questions. ted cruz and our next guest mike lee have been seen openly on the house floor lobbying republican conservatives to buck the plans of speaker boehner and yourself. do you have any problem with them meddling with the house republicans? >> i find individuals have the exact same goal. they have gone on where cruz has talked and how many more people learned about
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obamacare. how many more people realize the affect itself will have on america? it is not just the widow that finds out they don't get the health care anymore. >> so you don't have a problem with them lobbying on the house floor? >> we have the same goal and at times we have different strategies, but we are working to the same end. >> finally, you have two deadlines in the next month. first of all on october 1st as we have pointed out. the government runs out of money and we have the possibility of a shutdown. then you can see on october 17th we bump up against the debt limit. the president swears we will not negotiate on that. take a look. >> i will not negotiate on anything when it comes to the full face and credit of the united states of america. >> as you point out, he has just opened diplomatic talks on the iranians. i want to put up a list of measures that you want to add and let's put them up on the
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screen. the conditions for adding to an crease in the debt limit of one-year delay in obamacare, tax reform, build the keystone pipeline and limit environmental regulations. the white house says you guys want to attach the entire republican platform to raising the debt limit. isn't that over the top? >> we want to grow jobs? we want americans to start, woulding again? when did it become in america that creating jobs was splg -- something wrong? he will spend time talking to everyone else, but he is not talking to the american people. a bloomburg poll came out that 61% of americans want him to negotiate on where we are going on our debt. look at the addition since he has come in. $16 trillion. that's more than our entire economy. >> 8 or 9 million is debt. >> why isn't he negotiating? he will negotiate everywhere
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else, but he won't negotiate on what is happening in america today? >> congressman mccarthy, get some sleep. you were up late last night. thanks for coming in and watch what happens over the next 24 hours. >> thanks for having me. a possible government shutdown is not the only big event happening. on october 1st people can start shopping in obamacare's insurance exchanges and market places. >> on tuesday about 40 million more americans will be able to finally buy affordable health care. >> next up, two key senators debate and how the new health care law will affect you. [ male announcer ] here's a word you should keep in mind. unbiased. some brokerage firms are. but way too many aren't. why? because selling their funds makes them more money. which makes you wonder -- isn't that a conflict? search "proprietary mutual funds." yikes! then go to e-trade. we've got over 8,000 mutual funds, and not one of them has our name on it. we're in the business of finding the right investments for you.
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the start of a government shutdown, but it is definitely day one for a key piece of obamacare. on tuesday americans without health insurance will be able to shop for coverage in on-line market places. we have invited two senators to debate how the president's plan will affect you. mike lee is leading efforts to de fund or delay obamacare. virginia's tim kaine supports the senator. welcome back. >> thank you. >> senator kaine, let me start with you. your side has already, as we pointed out, rejected the bill the house passed last night. will you pass their measure which would keep funding the military in case there is a shutdown? >> in all likelihood we will. we think it is insufficient. it doesn't cover other workers, but i don't suspect it will be too controversial.
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>> senator lee, you and ted cruz have been openly as i just mentioned with congressman mccarthy is lobbying conservatives to go up against speaker boehner's plans. he didn't want to have the fight and he didn't want to shutdown the government. it is not appropriate. >> first of all, i support what the house has done and i support what the house has done based on what i heard about it. i haven't seen it, but i support what they have done last week. they are doing everything we can to protect america from a shutdown and the harmful affects from obamacare. eve day -- every day we are learning about somebody losing their job or benefits slashed and hours or wages cut. we also know that the president himself has acknowledged that the law is ready. he is making exceptions for unions unions and big business and other special interest. if it is not ready for some it is not ready for everyone and we should delay it for everyone. >> because of the fact that the exchanges kick in on
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october 1st we want to have this debate and how it will affect real people. first, coverage. here is what the president promised. >> if you have health insurance and you like your doctor and you like your plan you can keep your doctor and you can keep your plan. nobody is talking about taking that away from you. >> but major companies like these on the screen say they will put their workers on public or private exchanges. senator lee, many of those folks won't be able to keep their doctors or their plans. >> neither of those won't, nor will the employees from home depot that they will be losing their coverage as well. people are being told this all the time. how many more americans will have to lose their jobs or the health care or have to have their wages or hours cut as a result of this law before congress acts? it is time to act. what we keep hearing is obamacare is the law. if it is the law, then why isn't the president following it? why is the president rewriting
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it. why is the president making all of these deviations. >> i want to talk about how this will affect other people. the president said if you like your doctor, if you like your plan you can keep them. but a lot of people will be thrown into these public exchanges where they can't keep their doctors or plans without having to pay a lot more money because they will be out of network. >> i agree that we should have this debate, but we shouldn't connect it to a government shutdown of the that is the fundamental disagreement. >> but let's -- >> i am going to answer your question. >> i want you to answer my question because the fact is this goes into affect whether there is a shutdown or not. >> i hope. we have to read the delay provisions. the delay provision says everything that goes into affect beginning on october 1 is delayed for a year. does that delay the exchanges? it will definitely delay the -- >> but you are not going to pass it. >> are you right. but it would definitely delay the ability of people not to be turned away for preexisting conditions. >> you are right. we are not going to pass it.
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we are not going to pass it because it is wrong to do a shutdown to make a change. >> sir, answer my question. >> now, the question. >> well, the question is the president promised you can keep your coverage and you can keep your doctor. no, you you can't. >> in the exchanges? in the exchanges, the news that came out about the exchanges last week, and we will have to see on october 1st is that people will have vastly more choices of insurance products and the ability to have them subsidized if the exchanges go into affect. joy but if i am -- >> but if i am seeing dr. smith and i like dr. smith and have seen him for 10 years. it may be that when we go to the exchange i can't see dr. smith anymore. >> the number of options is so great that you are going to have all kinds of choices. dr. smith or others you might want to see based upon them last week. >> they just don't back that up. what we see is a lot of people losing access to their doctor and to health plans 245* have
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worked for them for many years. this law has been described by such by the author in the senate. we can't simply allow this train wreck to happen. as difficult as it is, we have to do whatever we can. >> forgive me. i want to stop the rhetoric. >> let me explain why it is a train wreck. >> i want to ask about premiums. it is like herding cats here today. >> we are senators. >> i understand that. the premiums people have to pay. here is what the president promised. >> they said these rates would come in real high and everybody 's premiums would be sky high. it turns out low and behold, actually the prices came in lower than we expected. they were lower than i predicted. >> the reality is more complicated. while older folks may pay less, take the example of a 27-year-old nonsmoker in philadelphia who now pays $73 a month and now he will pay
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$195 under the cheapest obamacare plan. senator lee, in addition to the fact that under some of these plans that came outlast week people will pay higher preem -- premiums they will have big deductibles, as much as $500 a year. >> big deductibles and high premiums. we are seeing their statistics for 27-year-olds and even when you get up to 40-year-olds in many parts of the country people will be paying sometimes double what they have been paying currently. this is not acceptable. we are seeing astronomical increases in health care premiums and people can't afford that right mow. we can't afford to put that on the american people, especially at a time when we are told by the president that this law would make health care cheaper. that this law would make health care more fair. it is having the opposite affect in both respects. >> senator, i want to show you a letter that regents blue
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cross, blue shield sent a 62-year-old couple in chicago this last week . they run a small business -- actually it was two weeks ago they sent it. it says, quote, under the affordable care act they must get a new policy that doubles their deductible to $5,000 each and raises the cost of an office visit to a specialist from $35 a visit to $100 a visit and increases their premium again. premium. again, that's not what the president promised. >> i don't believe anything the insurance company says. i'm sure the insurance company says this is because of the affordable care act. these are the same guys who were kicking people off policies turning people away from policies because they had preexisting conditions. >> so you are saying these folks when they are told their deductible goes up and the premium goes up -- >> the word was out about the premiums in virginia when these exchanges open will be favorable to people. some of the numbers you were quoting earlier didn't take into account there are subsidees involved as well.
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of what the premium is, it is going to be subsidized and dropped so it is affordable. very important questions, but we shouldn't be wrapping these questions up with the threat of government shutdown. that's what is wrong. >> i understand that. the shutdown is a different issue. i want to talk about obamacare. >> i will keep bringing it back. 24r* is one side linking obamacare with a shutdown of government. let's have the debate. let's have the debate about immigration reform. >> i think you have made that point. let's go to the question of jobs. under obamacare, any employer with 50 full time workers must provide coverage in 2015 and must provide under the employer mandate. full time is 30 hours a week or more. president obama says that won't be a problem. >> they said this would be a disaster in terms of jobs. there is no widespread evidence that the affordable care act has hurt in jobs.
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>> but a study this week found 313 companies, 313 are either laying off workers or cutting their hours to avoid the obamacare employer mandate. senator lee. >> this is another example of what happens in washington. as we say, the bullet points are different than the bill. that's true with respect to any piece of legislation. especially with a 2700 page piece of legislation. we are still learning more and more about the implications about this law. as it is taking affect and as we are getting ready for this law to kick in fully in 2014, we are seeing the harmful affects end we are seeing that people are losing jobs and people are losing access. the health care is getting more expensive and not less expensive and the president is handing out favors to special inlet -- special interest. we want a delay for everyone. the only way to do that is in connection with the continuing resolution. >> he mentioned all of these bad things and we see that
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kids are not getting turned away because of the preexisting conditions. we see small businesses get tax credits to buy insurance for their employees and they are getting pre preventive care. and we can't discriminate against women on the grounds of gender. a whole lot of -- i have had personal experiences with this. when i was running for the senate i had to buy insurance. we called to get insurance and my wife was told we will give you insurance for you and your husband for two of the three kids, but we won't give insurance for your third kid because of a medical condition. my wife called and said i think that is against the law. hhs called the insurance company and they had to call us and apologize and say, you know what, we will write you an insurance for your entire family. it is now against the law to say to a kid, we will not insurance you, but we will ensure everybody -- insurance everybody else. >> let's keep the subject on jobs. republicans are saying this is costing jobs and so is big
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labor. look at this. >> we will be damned if we will lose our health insurance because of unintended consequences in a law. it needs to be changed. 2* needs to be fixed and it needs to be fixesed now brothers and sisters. >> union leaders and big obama supporters are saying that this is hurting them. >> they are saying it needs to be fixed so let's have a debate over fixed over repeal, fund or delay. we wanted to have a debate in march. the senate passed in a budget an idea to reform this medical device tag. we want to fix it and reform it. that's the right way to do this. the republicans have blocked us from going to a budget conference for now six and a half months. you fix it in a budget conference and not with a government shutdown. >> i want to get to one last area and this is an area you will like perhaps more than senator lee. the nonpartisan -- i want to talk about access.
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the nonpartisan off the estimates by 2016 obamacare will cover 30 to 33 million people who are now uninsured. there was a house republican plan that covered three million. senator lee for all of the talk about delaying and de funding obamacare, you guys do not have a plan that takes care of the millions of people who are uninsured. >> that entity found 10 years from now we will still have 31 million uninsured in america. we were promised that this law would take care of that. it would perhaps and we also know that as we go into that, that would come under the cost of many, many jobs. it would come at the cost of many people paying health care premiums. >> there is a specific issue. you don't have a plan that would cover if not all uninsured tens of millions. >> we do have a number of plans that the republicans have submitted.
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i submitted one with my connection and the house republican study committee has introduced another plan. there are a lot of other plans out there that would increase affordability and report built making it more possible for people who want to afford health insurance and make sure they can carry it from state to state and job to job creating interstate competition so more people can afford it. >> i have to say i am glad there was a plan. senator cruz talked about reforms he would like. i want to put one together. let's put plans on the table and talk about fixing and adjusting. the best word about our current dynamic was a house republican who was the deputy and rejects the shutdown thing and here is what he said. when you hurt millions of people and inconvenience tens of millions more you don't achieve your in. you wonder why you did that to them. >> we want to do reforms of
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the federal care act and the farm bill and immigration form. >> senator kaine and senator lee, thank you both and thank you for coming in. it should be an interesting week. on capitol hill tomorrow is the final day for congress to avoid a shutdown and keep the government open for business. our sunday pam weighs in on what they think will happen. ♪ wow...look at you.
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the shut town showdown intensifies and neither side shows any side of back down. here is now time for our sunday group with brit hume, and former democratic senator, evan bayh and our reporter from the wall street journal and political analysts, juan williams. i think, it is fair to say, until now, most folks in washington thought the mess was political theater and they would get it settled. with the house of representatives last night passing a bill that include as one year delay of obamacare and the not not meeting until 2:00 on monday afternoon, ten hours before the clock strikes midnight, suddenly, this is getting to hook real. what strikes you about the possibility of a shutdown and how we got there? >>reporter: you say in the interviews you just did, how the two sides view this the senator lee said this is a bad law and saying why. senator john mccain said don't slut down the government and only senator john mccain who mentioned it and that is because
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the democrats believe that shut down is a disaster for the republicans. they will be blamed. if history is any guide, as they will indeed be blamed. that is where we are. neither side, i think, feels it has an incentive to move forward with the compromise. it is possible, chris, we will get a deal where you pass in the 1th hour a continuing resolution that doesn't have the additions to it that are contentious to give us more time. unless some compromise emerges that budget sides seem likely to agree on, i don't think that does anything but delay the inevitable. shut down appears to be where we are. >> senator, you and two republicans have come together under the nonpartisan group "no label," not republican or democrat to offer your plan to freeze all spending, all taxes, to suspend the debt ceiling, ail of this, to keep everything in place until unemployment is back down to 6.5 percent.
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what is your reason? >>reporter: our reasoning is the most important issue facing the american people is getting the economy moving, business growing, creating jobs and the policy uncertainty is holding the private sector back. bernanke a couple of beaks ago, the federal reserve saying the greatest risk to the economy is our own government. we are calling for a timeout to say, look, suspend the argument, allow the private sector to grow and there will not be tax increases and the sequester will be held in play, the spending will be frozen and we will success spend the debt ceiling to give businesses certainty unless the end of next calendar year with an election and the american people can weigh in. do not tank the economy over the political disputes in washington. christine svanemyr -- christine: what is most interesting is the split inside the g.o.p. which we have seen playing out especially in the house of representatives and we saw it in the senate, where at one point this last
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week, head cruz was accusing some of the fellow republicans of appeasement and bob corker was accusing ted cruz of grand standing. >> in the 1940's, nazi germany, and we saw in britain chamberlain who told the british people accept the nazis. >> if i understand the reason we are waiting is that you have sent out releases and e-mails so everyone can watch. >> as you pointed out in your colt up, cruz and mike lee are putting more pressure on their fellow republicans than they are on red state democrats such as landrieu in louisiana and byron in arkansas, and aiken in north carolina who have the vote whether they will fund obamacare or not. you think that is the rock strategy? >>reporter: everyone is saying this is going to fall on the
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republican party, principle versus soft. but the divide is between those who actually wanted a common sense planned way of going forward and those who just sort of marched ahead, into the headlines and did not do the hard work that is necessary for a venture of this sort to make it work. i called some of the groups who said what is your plan? what senate democrat are you targeting in what is the p.r strategy if the shutdown comes up? what is your fall back? i was told these are all tedious questions. now this is what we have. the reality is, they have made a lot of strategic ideas, working on the budget rather than the debt ceiling which is the american public is behind. they have no fall back plan. they have sacrificed their best leverage such as the congressional exemption subsidy, and they is given the democrats
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an excuse to say we are not doing anything because this is a spectacle. >> where is this headed? will there be a shutdown? who will take the hit? >>reporter: there will be a shutdown. the polls are indicating that overwhelmingly it is republicans that take the hit and the president is at risk. the latest polls have 40 percent blaming the president but about 30 percent, then, who blame congress. i was listening to kim and i was struck by the idea that it is not the normal politics anymore on the hill. what we have seen is republicans who are responding to the idea that the talk radio folks are out there saying, let's stir the base. stir not all republicans but the republican base and we can raise money. that is why you have people from
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heritage actioning saying, we know a way to stir political passion that goes beyond the calculation of winning. winning for them could be racing money. >>brit: there has been a de-coupling of primary politics in the republican party and the general election policy. the reason they make the errors is a certain number of the house of representatives members are worried about winning a primary. if they are not renominated they do not get to the general election. the speaker boehner and senator mcconnell have to worry about getting a majority. at the presidential level you worry about a majority, appealing to moderates and independents and swing voters. that is senator part of it in the house of representatives. >> is there a down side for the president or not democrats if the ship goes over the clip? >>brit: there never has been.
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i covered the shut down as a white house correspondent in 1986. when the government shut down because of the spending cuts that the presidential would not accept and veto add bill to keep the government open i thought he would get were of the blame if not most. it was just the opposite. the public absolutely hated the shutdown. ted cruz and company argue that it is different this time. i must say i have my doubts. i think the republicans will get blamed and it will be very painful and this could be a game changer for the for earth -- forthcoming elections. government shut down is a political poison. >> when we come back the historic phone call, the president's conversation with the new leader of iran breaking a three decade freeze in relations. we will ask our panel what it
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president rouhani making it clear that they are talking to each other, there are major differences to resolve. the white house released the big picture on friday afternoon. president obama is in the oval
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office and on the phone with president rouhani. the first time leaders of the two countries have spoken in 1979. where are we now in relations between these two countries? >> well, i don't think anything can be shown to have changed except that there was a conversation and we have this rather more appealing fellow. he does very well by comparison with his thugish predecessor. he seems maury fined and more -- more refined and more reasonable, but so far iran hasn't done anything. if you listen to the sound bite they are talking about arriving in a an agreeable framework to resolve the outstanding issues. what does that mean? that is just talk. a lesson until iran actually agrees to do something and then does it that would reduce the possibility of it having a nuclear arsonal, the only thing you can have is a mild
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degree of interest and not much hope. joy all right. the phone call -- >> all right. the phone call fold a meeting between secretary of state kerry and zarif, the fellow on the right with the white beard, and the iranians are saying zarif will bring a plan to address western concerns about its nuclear program when they meet in geneva in mid-october. the iranians are talking about this could get done within months. >> a fair amount of skepticism when it comes to the iranians. the new president has a more moderate face, but there is a uniform consensus across the eye ron yen leadership -- iranian leadership. there is some disagreement about how far they should go and what exactly that means. they want to be a nuclear power. what the new leader wants is a lessening of the economic sanctions. he is perfectly happy to pocket the concessions we will be willing to make, but not
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compromise on the fundamental goal of becoming a nuclear power. we want to play out the dialogue, but at the end of the day, it all comes back to can we live with a nuclear iran? can they be deterred and can they be detained? the sunni nations may have a different thought of that. >> as prime minister netanyahu will meet with president obama tomorrow, monday and kim, you have to figure that he is going to say to the president, president obama slow down. >> right. especially because the israelis are well briefed on this guy. he is a more pleasant looking fellow, but look at his history. that's what he has done in the past. he was iran's chief nuclear negotiator from 2003 to 2005. and he followed the exact same playbook. you calm down tensions and you make a few conciliatory out reaches to everybody. what you are doing is you are buying time for the iranians
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to continue moving and marching forward. he bragged about this when he finished being chief negotiator. it is one of the places they are enriching uranium. i think the absolute worst situation is what he outlined and what you don't want is to take off these sanctions and even worse maybe suggest that it is okay for them to do reactor grade nuclear work because that is ultimately going to be turned into a nuclear weapons program. >> what do you think are the chances that the west will be played? >> will be played? if you look at history north korea struck a deal in 2005 to say that they were going to do away with the nuclear capability. i think that is a stark lesson for americans. on the other hand i agree with the rest of the panel.
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this is a historic moment with tremendous opportunities. we talked about what is going on in syria. you talk about what is going on in terms of israeli-palestinian peace. all of this is directly related to iran. iran is the prime sponsor st -- of the assad regime in syria. when you think about iran and its implications and its power behind the terrorists and the palestinian territories -- >> will it change the policy? >> this is a tremendous moment of opportunity for the united states to strike some kind of deal that would allow us to lower tensions markedly in the middle east. even in terms of negotiating with syria, the french and the russians have said they -- negotiating with the syrians, the french and russians say they want the iranians at the bargaining table. >> i want to talk about >> all right. brit, i want to talk about siria. there was progress.unde the u.n. security council passed a resolution under chapter 7 which would authorize generallyt
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authorizes the use of force as s well as economic sanctions, ed which would demand that syria honor its pledge to get rid of its chemical weapons arsenal. the negative news syria declared what it was and the u.s. says t that declaration acknowledged fewer weapon sites than the u.s. believes they have, so there's some question of are they already playing a shell game? >> that's the big worry.ak these outlaw regimes and syria certainly is one, will make wha appear to be concessions on some sticking point and look the it carefully and turns out the gs concession is full of all kinds of loopholes and shortcomings and they're not doing what they're pledged to do or under e u.n.r warning to do so i thinkh that's wheree we're at in syri in a more advanced stage and the worry i have and shared by manys
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i think is president obama is so eager to have diplomatic processes under way to address these issues they become an end in themselves to him and a substitute for substantive action which he seems hesitant to take. >> we have less than a minute to take.rs senator bayh, you would come away, saying this doesn't want to get involved in syria and the country and congress even less so. given that couldn't iran look ad this situation and say, you knot what, we can weather the storm, we can delay, we can do all of this. they're not going to come in in a much harder tougher military action andhe take out our nucleo problem. >> i'm afraid that's when they have they taken await a minute no appetite, even our closest alley wasn't willing to go so at they can rope-a-dope us along and the syrians will probably cheat on agreement. there are tough days ahead.si
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job are the people i meet o one of the joys of the job rt people i meet on and off camera. a few days ago i got to participate in a special event and sit down with some very special people. here's our power player of the week. ♪ >> it stands for, i think the mettle of america. who we are, what we can accomplish, what we've done and what we stand for. >> harvey barnum jr. is talking point congressional medal of the honor. he received it for actions above and beyond the call of duty, 48 years ago. >> i was a first lieutenant. i had been in vietnam less than two weeks. i was on my first patrol.
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>> his company was ambushed by the vet yet congress. his commander killed. barnum had never been at shot but now he was in charge. >> when i looked out from underneath my helmets all the marines are saying, lieutenant, what do we do. >> he called in air strikes and directed helicopters to evacuate the dead and wounded. >> i didn't think about my own safety. my only fear was i would make the right decision to do the right thing and hopefully not get any of my marines hurt. >> i met barnum last week at the congressional medal of honor society held in gettysburg, pennsylvania. it was the 150th anniversary of when lincoln first bestowed the award. more than 134 men and 1 woman have received the medal. 79 still living and 44 were there. >> dedication, service and men and women willing to place their
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lives on the line. >> it's a chance to get together and share war stories. ♪ >> but more important, to pro-note their core value, love of country and sacrifice. >> what grade are you. >> i'm a senior. >> they go to local schools to talk to kids who don't even know about the medal of honor. >> the will ingness to sacrific for your buddies is what counts. >> two recipients from afghanistan were here with me. sal juchlt unta and recovered their fallen comrade. >> that was no special day. just october 25th. >> and clint romesha who led his men defending an outpost while outnumbered 6-1. >> we were just doing a job. your boys are expecting you to do it. >> barney is not happy with where we are today. from the president on down,
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politicians talk about how war weary this country is. what do you think of that? >> we could go and get some of this done faster if we're going to go, let's go. let's do it. let's do it right. hit 'em hard and come home. you know, it's like if a wasp lands on you and you smash it, that wasp is dead. but if you just flick it a little bit make him mad and he'll come at you with vengeance. >> he said the medal has set a standard. he's trying to live up to it this lavl last half century. >> i would never do or say anything to tarnish the history of this medal and what it stands for. >> barney now works with seg for vets. it gives back seriously injured veterans back some mobility.
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that's it for today. have a great week and we'll sue you next "fox news sunday." >> "fox news sunday" is a presentation of fox news. this is the "report sunday." tonight, why didn't u.s. senators work today after the house pulled an all-nighter trying to keep the federal government running? tempers flaring on capitol hill as house republicans blast senate democrats for taking the day off after they worked through the night to pass a temporary spending bill to keep the government open and delay obama care for a full year. >> if they really cared