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don't miss a moment of our coverage on fox. have a fantastic week. thank you for joining us. in about six seconds, my friend, governor huckabee. tonight on "huckabee," targeted by the federal government. >> the first contact we had from the irs, the first round of questions, at some point those questions crossed a line. >> her group is finally getting tax exempt status, but is she satisfied? >> it's an honor to put on your school jersey, in a world of me, me, me and you are representing the whole school and community. >> the high school coach who suspended his whole team on the legend you can't learn from studying a playbook. >> the american people want this lawrie peels and republicans want it repealed. i wouldn't be surprised if a number of the democratic
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colleagues secretly want it repealed. >> the showdown on capitol hill. ♪ >> welcome to huckabee. we are coming to you from little welcome to huckabee. we're coming to you from little rock, arkansas. brace yourself. i think there may be one aspect of obama care where the president is absolutely right. >> if it's as bad as they said it was going to do, they can go ahead and happen and everybody would hate it so much and then everybody would vote to repeal it, and that would be the end of it. >> you know, the republicans need to stop fighting among themselves about who dislikes obama care the most. every single republican in both the house and the senate voted against it, every one. not one republican is on the hook for obama care. the democrats own it. totally and completely. and if the republicans in the
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house and senate feel as i do, that it really is a job killing economy busting disaster that is going to increase costs and raise taxes and limit medical choices and leave people in the lurches, then i want to suggest a way to fight it a lot more effectively. all the republicans in both the house and senate voted to de-fund and or delay obama care, but they didn't have the votes. so here is my advice, and it's simple. give the democrats obama care, but under these conditions. no delays for anybody. not big business, not small business, and not labor unions and not states or members of congress or their staffs and no exemptions, none. not one group gets an egg seption from obama care, especially not any congress phebdz or their staff.
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republicans can't detpupd obama care because the votes just aren't there. draft a bill that funds it, but which allows no exseptions or delays. and then add the provision based on the president's proposal, write in the bill a sunset clause, the bill expires and has to be re-authorized on january of 2015. if it's as good as president obama says it is, the public will love it so much they will insist that it's re-authorized, but if it's as disastrous as the republicans and the general public and i think it will be, the republicans will win next elections next year to gain the super majority and add enough numbers in the house to override the veto.
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this is a mt. carmel moment. remember that great moment from the book, i kings, chapter 18. elijah did not try to delay or defund the profits, he told them to take their best shot to call down fire from heaven, and he would do the same thing. there were 450 of them and one of him. they called for hours for fire to fall and they had no fare. and being elijah, he didn't mind being out numbered 450 to 1, and he ordered the wood around the alter to be drenched with water so any fire would have a hard time burning his offering, and he put everything on the line, and in public for the world to see. no middle of the night back room deals, all of it right there in the open.
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and when elijah called, the fire fell and the sacrifice and the alter were consumed. here is my plan for the republicans. give the democrats want they want for a year. make it clear to the american people that it belongs to the democrats, and if it works like president obama and harry reid and hillary and nancy pelosi claims, then america will be better off and i will take to any platform or stage to apologize and acknowledge that they were right and we were wrong. but if the people of america are as disgusted with it as i predict they will be, then obama care ends january 15th, 2015, and by then republicans will control both the house and senate and be poised to elect a republican president in 2016. having convictions is one thing and risking everything for them, now that is political courage. we need that kind of confident
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courage in our congress today. is that how we stop obama care. janet and i are in arkansas this weekend. we are attending our 40th year class reunion from the class of 1973 from hope high school of hope, arkansas. now, i got to tell you, it's a little disgusting so many of my classmates look much younger than me, but i do have a lot of miles on me, but i always felt so blessed to be part of a great group of life-long friends that i cherish and respect. we all became teenagers in the turbulent '60s and we were the first class to end racial segregation in our community as we started high school. we love each other as true friends do. 40 years ago we had bell-bottoms and side burns and shoulder-length hair, and now we have grandkids and we wonder
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what is wrong with the younger generations. my god, we have become our parents. and i dedicate tonight's show to the hope high school class of '73. and then the government should shut down on tuesday, october 1st. how many americans know what a shutdown would do to them? well, bill shults took to the streets of new york city and we will see what he found out. >> what do you think will happen when the government shuts down? >> a lot of people will be hurt by it. >> government shutdown, what do you think? >> i think it's pretty dangerous. i am concerned about it. >> are you worried about what will happen on october 1st? >> i have no idea what is happening on october 1st. >> and by your accent i would say you are from florida? >> new zealand. >> i thought it was a mythical place.
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well, what about your wife, where are you from? can i ask a couple quick questions? >> no, thank you. they are so upset about the government shutdown they will not talk. >> i think it's kind of student. >> kind of or really? we want people to be firm in their opinions. >> i am firm in my opinion that it's stupid. >> what will happen? >> the world will end. >> i don't think it will happen. >> why not? they have done it before? >> i am optimistic. >> i am pessimistic, and i blame newt gingrich. it's because of his big head. >> are you angry at congress or senate or all of them? do we just agree that we love butter and eggs? >> i can't butter an egg. at this point, it's congress. >> did you hear that congress, you have both eggs and butter after you. how mad are you that the congress will still get paid if
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the government shuts down? >> that makes me mad. i will remind you, children are watching. >> i don't think they will do it. >> what will happen if they do? >> not much. >> you might not be right. why don't we not pay taxes until the government restarts again, what do you think about that? >> i agree with that. >> that's illegal and we have you on camera saying as much. >> what do you think? >> all i know is what i read and i read there are certain departments closing down and we will have the necessary services that -- >> i like being serviced. >> i like being serviced, too. >> we'll talk after this. >> despite ted cruz' 21-hour speech, they stopped the gap bill that included the obama care money. i have endorsed senator mcconnell in his bid for re-election. thank you for joining me, and let me start with a question
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regarding how the senate might react to a house bill if it delayed obama care for a year, stripped out the medical device tax and things such as that? >> well, i think all of the senate republicans will be enthusiastic about a bill that would do that, and the procedural stuff is contpaoudzing to people, every single republican without exception voted to de-fund obama care, and we were all on the same side when it came to obama care. this is an issue that has not divided us from the very beginning, and we would be in favor of any other version of that, too, if defunding can't get anybody to vote on it, and the medical device is in there, and 79 senators voted to repeal the medical device tax, and it would be really tough for all of those democrats who earlier in the year voted to repeal the medical device tax and suddenly
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decide not to. >> this week the republicans that maybe had a different point of view about the strategy, not about obama care but about the strategy to defeat it, folks like you were called rhino, squish, a member of the surrender caucus and other things i can't repeat on television. tell me, what is it that really happened? try to walk us through the procedure of the vote which is a 60-vote flesh hold versus a simple majority, which i think you favored which would have required 51 votes to have defunded obama care? >> the problem with the strategy that was advocated is had it been followed the senate republicans would have shut down the government. the polls indicate that 80% of americans are opposed to a government shutdown, so we didn't feel, as least i didn't and a majority of my colleagues didn't feel a strategy that led us to a government shutdown would be a winner for us, and if
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you did that obama care would still stand, and we wanted a strategy that could get an outcome, and when we had an opportunity to vote on defunding obama care every single republican voted tobama care and the problem we had, mike, is a math problem, there is 54 of them and 46 of us, and 54 is more than 46, and so the senate democrats got their way. and that is a simple mathematical problem. >> if obama care stands, you have said you think it will fall on its own accord by its own weight was, i think, the exact phrase. what do you think about that? >> it can't possibly work. it is creating chaos all across the country. we have a record number of part time jobs and insurance premiums going up and the promise the president made if you have a health care plan you like you will be able to keep it, that's not happening. none of the promises are coming
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true. it's chaos in the health care provider world, and almost $1 trillion in tax increases and reimbursement cuts to hospitals and hospice and nursing homes and home health care and the like, and chaos across the country. it won't stand. it may or may not be ended this week, and i think that's unlikely given who is the president and who is running the senate, but it's going to crack and it's going to call. i guarantee you. >> president obama had harsh words for republicans on friday, and sometimes you wonder why the white house and congress just can't make any headway together. senator mcconnell will answer that question and a few more when we return. stay with us. senator mcconnell will answer that question and more. stay with us. i would like to hear from you. go to my web site and tell me what you think. seen up for our facebook our facebook and sometimes you wonder why the
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>> on friday the president put the blame on a potential government shutdown totally on republicans. >> house republicans are so concerned with appeasing the tea party they threatened the government shutdown or worse unless i gut or repeal the affordable care act. i said this yesterday, and let me repeat it. that's not going to happen. >> the president says he is not willing to negotiate. do you think we are very close and maybe even likely to have a government shutdown this week? >> well, the president more than willing to negotiate with iranians, and i don't know why he wouldn't be willing to negotiate with us. nobody wants a shutdown.
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what we are willing to do is make changes in the catastrophic law that americans hate. it is indeed a train wreck. look, we need to try and get this changed, and it's not just us, you had a senate democrat come out for a one-year delay earlier this week, and 79 senators which included a heck of a lot of democrats, as i mentioned earlier voted earlier this year to repeal the medical device tax, and the democrats are beginning to track, and the president of the teamsters union, he said you are destroying the 40-hour workweek, and the democrats are beginning to crack, and we are trying to give them a nudge in the right direction so we can save the american people from this awful bill. >> senator, the divisions that have been well publicized within the senate, and there is obviously friction intention, and going forward, is the senate
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going to come together and is there, let's say, a deep wound that is going to take some time to heal? >> look, this is a difference in opinion about tactics. that's all it is. we're all in favor of getting rid of obama care. we just voted that way friday. there is no difference of opinion about obama care. we had a difference of opinion about tactics. i, for example, didn't think a tactic that led senate republicans to shut down the government was a good idea, and we chose not to do and that we won't shut the government down. the bill is back in the house and we hope we will get back from the house something that will be more appealing to senate democrats because we know a lot of them are very, very nervous about obama care as well. >> senator, it's always a pleasure to visit with you. i appreciate you coming. i know you have a busy day and there is a lot going on in washington and we are glad there is, and that means maybe a lot
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of this gets revolved. thank you. >> thank you, and i appreciate the opportunity. and three years, targeted and harassed by the irs after her organization sought tax exemption status. and you met her here on fox when we broke the story. after the irs scandal was exposed she finally got the status, but the battle is not over. ee you too," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone.
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and catherine engelbrecht was harassed by the irs and other parts of the federal government and that was after filing for tax exempt status for her organization called true the vote back in 2010. she spoke to me about her ordeal back in may. >> you file and then the next
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thing you are hearing from the fbi and osha, and other federal agencies and what did they want to know? >> oh, you know, all manners of things. the fbi was interested in the people coming to our programs, and the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms was interested in having us open our safes and pulling out our guns. what is concerning, though, is the rapid succession of their visits. the extensive unplanned audits upon their arrival and the fact that in 20 years of business previous we had never seen any of those agencies. >> well, after more than three years of abuse, last week the irs finally agreed to grant tax exempt status to true the vote. catherine says the fight with the irs is not over. joining me once again, catherine engelbrecht. it's great to have you back. i understand you have word. you have received documents from the irs?
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>> yes, governor, we have. the typical c3 organization takes about nine months to hear from the irs but three years and months later, we have the letter and so we are official. >> some people say you got what you wanted and it took longer and are you done, is it this? or is there something to press forward with? >> there is an awful lot to press forward with. there are a lot of unanswered questions about what happened to us in the last three years, and the lawsuit that we filed in may is still pressing forward. we want to understand why the irs felt that they could ask us some of the things they asked us what they intend to do with that information, and somebody needs to be held accountable for abridging our free speech for over three years, and we are determined to press forward until we get answers. >> i remember when we talked in may, catherine, you spent a lot of money, a lot of money with
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lawyers and accountants and fighting all of these things. i remember it was a huge sum of money, and at this point, ballpark figure, how much you have been out just trying to get the federal government off your neck because you had the audacity to apply for a tax exempt status for an election organization? >> well, the application process was -- that was north of $80,000. personally, it is well in excess of $100,000, and of course now the lawsuit, those zeros add up real quick, and it's not an inexpensive thing but i will rather pay it, because what is the price of freedom? if we don't press forward there is no doubt organizations like ours aren't going to be around much longer. >> did the justice department come to you and say let's be done with it?
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have they asked you to back off and drop the lawsuit? >> oh, well, yes, part of our lawsuit was requesting our determination letter. we wanted them to tell us up or down, either we are a c3 or not, and their final deadline for response was september 20th and at 6:00 on friday, that friday evening, they came back and said, okay, we have agreed to give you your determination, and we will give you your c3 status, but now the rest of the lawsuit can be dismissed, right? it's mute, because you got the letter and what more could you want to know? there is a lot more than we want to know. and they consider it mute. it's far, far from over. >> what all do you think is important that you get out of this lawsuit? i realize for you it's not the money anymore, even though you have been out hundreds of thousands of dollars, but what do you want to know when this is all over? what do you want to ask them to
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know? >> we want to know -- who knew what when? who put the word out to begin targeting organizations like ours, and how deep into the west wing does this really go? we believe that the beginning, only the beginning of the layers have been revealed thus far. this goes much deeper than we have had a chance to really fully explore, and we hope our lawsuit and through the discovery process in the lawsuit, that we will be able to really put the pieces together, and see just how expensive this conspiracy was. >> one of the things we have learned last week, lois learner decided she was going to retire after several months of paid leave that she got from the irs, and should she continually have to answer for the division of her agencies, the irs, for what they did to you? there were hundreds that had
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what happened to you, but i don't know anybody that had it happen to your degree, but when you heard the word about lois learner, what was your reaction? >> well, it's kind of par for the course. when she announced she was going to retire, i will tell you, my knee jerk reaction was at least she can't do any more damage, but now i heard that she is being talked to about immunity and what a package deal might look like for her, and frankly, is an arrangement can be made that provides her immunity, so that she will talk about all of the things that she knows, certainly to discuss just how far this goes, i think it would be worth immunity if we can use those opportunities to talk to her, to get to the bottom of what really happened. >> catherine, thank you and it's always a pleasure to talk with you, and we are glad you got the status. thank you for coming back. >> thank you so much for having me. a chemical attack in syria
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strategy. when you get to where you want to be in the football game, you run out the clock because you think you like where you are. that's exactly what is going on here. >> i am harris faulkner. for news when you want it. now back to "huckabee." and new u.n. chemical investigators confirmed the use of sarin in the attack in syria, though the report didn't say who is to blame. president obama is, and he is pointing the finger at assad. >> it's an insult to human reason and the legitimacy of the institution to suggest anybody other than the regime carried out this attack. >> as the u.s. mulls over its next move with syria, many americans may be asking themselves what is sarin, and is it something we need to worry about here at home. a warning that some of the images you are about to see are graphic. >> reporter: created by the
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germans in the late 1930s, as a potent pesticide, sarin is a clear and colorless and odorless vapor. once released in the air, it can be inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through the skin, and symptoms can be seen within seconds and can lead to death in minutes. nazi germany mass produced sarin as a weapon but never used it during world war ii. in 1988, saddam hussein carried out the first confirmed sarin attack, and seven years later a terrorists group unleashed the nerve agent into japan's subway system killing 13, and injuring thousands more. and then in august, a sarin attack in syria killed 1,400
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people. and syrians in damascus have turned to making their own gas masks after last month's massacre. >> and our guest is an expert on chemical warfare preparedness, and he joins me now. what actually happens to the body when we are subjected to sarin a gas? >> thank you for bringing the important topic ford. the gas is colorless and odorless and people don't know what is happening, but gradually within seconds you will start tearing, and you will get a lot of mucous building up and you will feel like you are drowning in your own saw krae titions, a it could take minutes or even hours if it just lands on your clothes and then has to be absorb absorbed. but it's a very painful way to go and just to think of somebody suffocating, if you will, that's
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what it is like and it's a very painful experience. >> is there any way a person can protect themselves if there is sarin gas present? >> the problem, governor, is that you don't know what it is. all of a sudden you feel you are having trouble breathing and your saw kraetions continue, and you start tearing and your respiratory system starts shutting down so there is no protection unless the first responders will have self contained breathing apparatus so they can come in and save skpus not saw come to the same gas. >> is there any treatment effective that can be administered if it's done quickly? >> there is, governor, and the challenge is getting responders there quickly and then getting people to the right place for treatment. there are drugs that can work to circumvent the problems that develop, but the fact is that you have to do them pretty quickly, depending on the
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intensity, and when you have a mass situation like in syria with over 1,000, it's unlikely that you can save most of those people because of the meager resources they have on their best days and the fact that they have a poor emergency medical system. >> the images we saw from syria are so disturbing. how prepared are we in the united states? our hospitals and our first responders, are we ready for something like this? >> well, i don't know anybody can say we are ever ready. i think we are very prepared. most of the first responders have had training in the bigger picture of what we call all hazards preparedness, so they respond from hurricanes to nuclear chemical events, or bombs, bullets and fire. our emergency responders are fairly well trained and the equipment is out there, but it's still a problem because large populations can be put at risk and pretty quick overwhelm the infrastructure we have in place. we are far better off today than
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in the past decade because of all the challenges around the world, and our country ramping up to be prepared for the challenges and we are at risk to have thrusts upon us as well. >> thank you for being here and we appreciate your expertise and giving us comfort in a frightening subject. thank you. >> thank you. up next the high school football coach that benched his entire team for bullying, and disrespect. oh, and he did it one week before the homecoming game. did the players complain? did the parents go nuts? we'll just ask the coach. he is with us next. us next. [ female announcer ] a classic macaroni & cheese from stouffer's starts with freshly-made pasta, and 100% real cheddar cheese. but what makes stouffer's mac n' cheese best of all.
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coach matt labrum. pretty surprising the coach would suspend the entire team as a result of bad behavior. were you just fed up with what you felt like what a lack of discipline on the part of the kids? >> there were a few things that led up to the decision, and we felt it was not a huge amount of kids but there were a lot of kids that knew of things going on and we were not taking care of those, and we wanted kids to stand up and say this doesn't happen, and we wanted other kids to learn this is not how we act. >> as proud as i was of your action following what i consider the do right rule, which i always admired, the biggest surprise is that the parents didn't come and scream at you, they actually supported you and the community supported you. but i want to know, were you surprised by that? >> no, i wasn't surprised. we have a tremendous community, and a tremendous administration and a tremendous football staff,
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and faculty, and everybody got onboard and i think that's why we were able to have a successful week. >> now, in order for the students to get back on the team, what do they have to do? >> we laid out five criteria, and one of them was to make sure they are in class and behaving well in class, and another was to make sure that their grades were up to par and they were passing all their classes and doing the best they could in all of their classes, and we had a -- we had service projects they all had to attend, and then we had a service project that we were to do for their family and bring a type-written report back and report on what they did for their family and how they felt about that, and the last one was they were to memorize a quote about character. >> i know your team was back on the field last night, and how did the game turn out and how did the team respond to the
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overall experience? >> well, the game didn't turn out how we would like. we ended up losing our game, but i felt like each day throughout the process our young men grew and community grew and our coaching staff grew and our school did, and i saw real positive influences go throughout the school. >> if i had a son playing football anywhere in america i hope he would be playing for a coach like you. you, sir, out to be commended, and thank you for standing up for what is right and believing that's a better lesson than just how to win a football game and i hope so many people would follow your example. i am honored to have you on my show. >> it's an honor to be on your show, and i appreciate the opportunity to speak with you today. >> coach, thank you very much. what a refreshing story.
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jimmy webb is a have hail. songwriter who has written hits for great artists like glen campbell. johnny cash, willy nelson, many he has a new cd called still in the sound of my voice. he stopped and performed some of his classics. one of the songs you did was with glenn campbell. >> from arkansas. >> he did several hits like the
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phoenix and galveston but maybe the biggest was wichita diamond. would you play a little bit for us? ♪ searching in the sun for another overload ♪ ♪ i hear you singing in the ♪
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♪ (applause) >> you teamed up with brian wilson one of the musical geniuses of all times for one of your songs that everybody knows, but you have done a new arrangement of mcarthur park. >> everybody knows that you understand. yes. we sorted of re-invented matt if you love that southern california beach boy sound. will only brian can do that. he came in to do that for us. ♪
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♪ >> he goes on and on and on and on. >> it is beautiful. we love it going on and on. >> some of the songs that i can remember that you had written like the one by the brooklyn bridge, the worst that could happen and the great uplifting hits from the fifth dimension,
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up, up and away. it had a little controversy to it. >> i would like to say briefly the song was very successful. i won a grammy in 1967 for up up and away. >> as you should have. >> but there was rough going. one of the worst moments was when the song was halfway up the charts my manager called and said jimmy, i have bad news for you. i think your arkansas residents probably know this station pretty well, they have gone off your record, they are not playing it any more. i said why not? he said, well, they think it's about drugs. i am laughing now, but i was really heartbroken. because just for the record, the song was about balloons.
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i call my dad who was pastoring in oklahoma city. i call him to cry on his shoulder. i was 19 years old. i said, dad, they took my song off the radio. he says why did they do that? dad, they say it's about drugs. he said, we'll see about that. hung up the phone. my dad who r who was the ex-marine who served in if the south pacific got his 45 and his bible and went down to the radio station. >> my guess is the 45 had more influence than did the bible in that particular instance but who knows. >> i think either way there was praying going on. >> either way the song got black on the air. >> i am so glad it did, too.
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♪ would you like to ride my beautiful balloon ♪ ♪ would you like to glide in my beautiful balloon ♪ ♪ we can float along the stars together you and i ♪ ♪ we can fly ♪ up up and away my beautiful my beautiful balloon ♪ ♪ up up and away ♪ up up and away ♪ up up and away ♪ up up and away >> jimmy west, thank you. will thank you so much jimmy for being here. >> thank you. >> the album is called "still within the sound of my voice." i hope you will get a copy of it. you will love the music of jimmy
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