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once they realize he likes to go to school then maybe they will join the fight. then eventually all of us will have much better. i'm chris wallace. washington barrels toward a government shutdown. congress in a standoff over a plan to fund the government past midnight on monday. and a dispute over obamacare. >> our message to congress is this. do not shutdown the government and do not shutdown the economy. pass a budget on time and pay our bills on time. >> if this government shuts down it is because you have not accepted the compromise that republicans have reached out to you and offered. >> the house republicans stand firm in their effort to derail obamacare. voting to delay it a year. as the clock ticks we will ask the house gop with congressman kevin mccarthy what is their
strategy. it is a fox news sunday exclusive. then the next phase of the president's health care law starts on tuesday when uninsured americans can start shopping for coverage through on-line market places. >> if you want to buy insurance on your own this saw lot easier. it is like booking a hotel or a plane ticket. >> two leading senators debate how obamacare can affect you. republican mike lee wants the law repealed. plus, our sunday panel weighs in on the historic phone calls between president obama and iranian president ro-hani and our power player of the week. an american hero who received the nation's highest award for bravery on the battlefield. >> i looked out from under my helmet and all of these marines were looking at me and saying okay, lieu tenant what do we do? >> it is all right now on fox news sunday.
and hello again from fox news in washington. we are now just hours away from a potential government shutdown. most of us were sleeping and the house passed a revamped spending bill that added conditions that they call unacceptable. joining me now is the man in charge of counting votes in the house the republican kevin mccarthy. congressman, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thanks for having me. >> now you have a measure to keep funding obamacare, but with a year delay in -- keep funding the government rather but with a year delay in obamacare and also a repeal of the tax on medical devices. now harry reid, the senate majority leader says tts dead on arrival when they come back into session on monday afternoon. it is 10 hours before the shutdown. i know you want them to pass it but let's assume they don't pass it. they are true to their word. what do you do then?
>> well, you assume they won't, but there were 79 senators who voted for to end the pacemaker tax. you have the president 10 times this year every month delaying a portion of obamacare. just last week he did it while he was criticizing us for delay. let's have the debate. let's allow those senators in the states they need to -- >> it is a privileged motion and they don't have to debate it. with 51 votes they can throw it in the trashcan. >> he can throw it back. when you look at the american public learning what is going on in this bill, opposing it. you go to louisiana and alaska and you go to these states who are overly opposing it and there are difficult races i think they will have to be pressuring their leader to say let us have that vote. >> assume they reject it as they say they hillary ject it. what will the house do then. >> i think the house will get back together and send another
provision not to shut the government down and they will have a few other options. when you look at what has transpired since obamacare has moved forward we have created 840,000 jobs in this country and more than 90% have been part-time because of obamacare. that creates a part-time economy and a part-time community. in the end it creates a part-time america. it will fund the government and still delay the movement of obamacare. >> here is what president obama said about this situation on friday. >> my message to coming is this. do not shutdown the government. do not shutdown the economy. pass a budget on time. pay our bills on time. >> now this will be the first government shutdown if it happens in 17 years and 800,000 federal workers low-income furloughed and
economists say it will hurt a fairly weak recovery. congress -- congressman, are you willing to risk that? >> we are not shutting the government down. we were here working until 1:00 a.m. to make sure we didn't shut the government down and we put a funding bill across. the difference here is you just listen to the president talk to the president of iran. talk to putin. but he won't sit and talk to the representatives of the american people. they like to come through and deal with this problem. you have found the president went out to the american people and said if you have your health care and you like it, you can keep it. this letter right here is to a widow in nerming new jersey who happened to be the mother of -- in new jersey who happened to be the mother of one of my staffers and it said they cannot renew next year. this is an opportunity when you find that obamacare is not going to work to delay it. >> let me ask you a couple of quick questions and a couple of qek answers. quick answers. assume thaght senators do they
say what they are going to do and reject this measure will you pass a clean cr with democratic votes and send it back to the senate to avoid a shutdown. >> this is not a place to negotiate, but we will pass a bill if the senate does what you think they will do that will keep the government open and that will reflect the house that i believe the senate can accept. they will have fundamental changes that can protect the economy for america. >> so there will be an obamacare amendment. it won't be a clean cr. >> i think there will be additions i found in the senate and that the senate democrats say they can support. you just heard a senator from west virginia that is a democrat and has said why does the president just treat business one way but he won't treat an individual another way. i think there is big support that we can pass that will fundamentally help the economy of america. >> if the delay and the whole
deal and the de fund are off the table what is on the table? >> there are a lot of items on the table. you have spent more time negotiating with me than the president spent time negotiating on this. this is one of the biggest problems facing america. how many times have you found the biggest unions in america partnering with business. it is destroying the economy. it is breaking the backbone of america. no longer are we having full full time jobs. this bill is creating a part-time america. >> how about the possibility of a short-term clean cr keep funding the government two or three days just so you can avoid the shutdown and keep this going and give yourselves more time. >> we will not shut the government down. we have to negotiate a little longer we will continue to negotiate. >> a very short-term cr is a possibility. >> the thing i continue to look at, we do not want to shut the government down. that's why we have continued to pass funding bills but you
can't have a part-time america and ignore the problem. you cannot have a president that passes legislation and says he won't deal with the subject. and you think that he won't sign a bill? do you realize that he has signed seven bills that have changed provisions inside obamacare. there are 70 democrats sitting in the house today that have voted for one form or another of that. so there is a -- and when you look at the american public the more they learn about it, the majority is opposed to it. >> congressman, let's be honest, you did not want to be in this position. the fact is that speaker boehner and all of you in the leadership wanted to send the senate a bill that would fund the government. it would have a de fund obamacare and it could be taken out and passed and that was refused by members of your caucus. then you wanted to switch past a clean cr and have a fight over the debt limit. and again the so-called tea party faction of republicans congressman refused. it raises the question who is
running the house right now? >> never doubt. if you watched the vote last night unanimous republicans voting for it. inning side the -- inside the house and inside the senate. we have different strategies. this is a much bigger issue. this is the direction of america. we have a $17 trillion debt. it is larger than the entire economy. we have a part-time american job creation. 90% of all jobs created in the last year were part-time. this is a much bigger issue about what we are spending our money on and what is coming into this country. >> a couple of final questions. ted cruz and our next guest mike lee have been seen openly on the house floor lobbying republican conservatives to buck the plans of speaker boehner and yourself. do you have any problem with them meddling with the house republicans? >> i find individuals have the exact same goal. they have gone on where cruz has talked and how many more people learned about
obamacare. how many more people realize the affect itself will have on america? it is not just the widow that finds out they don't get the health care anymore. >> so you don't have a problem with them lobbying on the house floor? >> we have the same goal and at times we have different strategies, but we are working to the same end. >> finally, you have two deadlines in the next month. first of all on october 1st as we have pointed out. the government runs out of money and we have the possibility of a shutdown. then you can see on october 17th we bump up against the debt limit. the president swears we will not negotiate on that. take a look. >> i will not negotiate on anything when it comes to the full face and credit of the united states of america. >> as you point out, he has just opened diplomatic talks on the iranians. i want to put up a list of measures that you want to add and let's put them up on the
screen. the conditions for adding to an crease in the debt limit of one-year delay in obamacare tax reform, build the keystone pipeline and limit environmental regulations. the white house says you guys want to attach the entire republican platform to raising the debt limit. isn't that over the top? >> we want to grow jobs? we want americans to start woulding again? when did it become in america that creating jobs was splg -- something wrong? he will spend time talking to everyone else, but he is not talking to the american people. a bloomburg poll came out that 61% of americans want him to negotiate on where we are going on our debt. look at the addition since he has come in. $16 trillion. that's more than our entire economy. >> 8 or 9 million is debt. >> why isn't he negotiating? he will negotiate everywhere else, but he won't negotiate
on what is happening in america today? >> congressman mccarthy, get some sleep. you were up late last night. thanks for coming in and watch what happens over the next 24 hours. >> thanks for having me. a possible government shutdown is not the only big event happening. on october 1st people can start shopping in obamacare's insurance exchanges and market places. >> on tuesday about 40 million more americans will be able to finally buy affordable health care. >> next up two key senators debate and how the new health care law will affect you.
october 1st could mark the start of a government shutdown, but it is definitely day one for a key piece of obamacare. on tuesday americans without health insurance will be able to shop for coverage in on-line market places. we have invited two senators to debate how the president's plan will affect you. mike lee is leading efforts to de fund or delay obamacare. virginia's tim kaine supports
the senator. welcome back. >> thank you. >> senator kaine, let me start with you. your side has already as we pointed out rejected the bill the house passed last night. will you pass their measure which would keep funding the military in case there is a shutdown? >> in all likelihood we will. we think it is insufficient. it doesn't cover other workers, but i don't suspect it will be too controversial. >> senator lee, you and ted cruz have been openly as i just mentioned with congressman mccarthy is lobbying conservatives to go up against speaker boehner's plans. he didn't want to have the fight and he didn't want to shutdown the government. it is not appropriate. >> first of all, i support what the house has done and i support what the house has done based on what i heard about it. i haven't seen it, but i support what they have done last week. they are doing everything we can to protect america from a
shutdown and the harmful affects from obamacare. eve day -- every day we are learning about somebody losing their job or benefits slashed and hours or wages cut. we also know that the president himself has acknowledged that the law is ready. he is making exceptions for unions unions and big business and other special interest. if it is not ready for some it is not ready for everyone and we should delay it for everyone. >> because of the fact that the exchanges kick in on october 1st we want to have this debate and how it will affect real people. first, coverage. here is what the president promised. >> if you have health insurance and you like your doctor and you like your plan you can keep your doctor and you can keep your plan. nobody is talking about taking that away from you. >> but major companies like these on the screen say they will put their workers on public or private exchanges. senator lee, many of those folks won't be able to keep their doctors or their plans.
>> neither of those won't, nor will the employees from home depot that they will be losing their coverage as well. people are being told this all the time. how many more americans will have to lose their jobs or the health care or have to have their wages or hours cut as a result of this law before congress acts? it is time to act. what we keep hearing is obamacare is the law. if it is the law, then why isn't the president following it? why is the president rewriting it. why is the president making all of these deviations. >> i want to talk about how this will affect other people. the president said if you like your doctor, if you like your plan you can keep them. but a lot of people will be thrown into these public exchanges where they can't keep their doctors or plans without having to pay a lot more money because they will be out of network. >> i agree that we should have this debate, but we shouldn't connect it to a government shutdown of the that is the fundamental disagreement. >> but let's -- >> i am going to answer your question.
>> i want you to answer my question because the fact is this goes into affect whether there is a shutdown or not. >> i hope. we have to read the delay provisions. the delay provision says everything that goes into affect beginning on october 1 is delayed for a year. does that delay the exchanges? it will definitely delay the -- >> but you are not going to pass it. >> are you right. but it would definitely delay the ability of people not to be turned away for preexisting conditions. >> you are right. we are not going to pass it. we are not going to pass it because it is wrong to do a shutdown to make a change. >> sir, answer my question. >> now, the question. >> well, the question is the president promised you can keep your coverage and you can keep your doctor. no, you you can't. >> in the exchanges? in the exchanges, the news that came out about the exchanges last week, and we will have to see on october 1st is that people will have vastly more choices of insurance products and the ability to have them subsidized if the exchanges go into affect. joy but if i am --
>> but if i am seeing dr. smith and i like dr. smith and have seen him for 10 years. it may be that when we go to the exchange i can't see dr. smith anymore. >> the number of options is so great that you are going to have all kinds of choices. dr. smith or others you might want to see based upon them last week. >> they just don't back that up. what we see is a lot of people losing access to their doctor and to health plans 245* have worked for them for many years. this law has been described by such by the author in the senate. we can't simply allow this train wreck to happen. as difficult as it is, we have to do whatever we can. >> forgive me. i want to stop the rhetoric. >> let me explain why it is a train wreck. >> i want to ask about premiums. it is like herding cats here today. >> we are senators. >> i understand that.
the premiums people have to pay. here is what the president promised. >> they said these rates would come in real high and everybody 's premiums would be sky high. it turns out low and behold, actually the prices came in lower than we expected. they were lower than i predicted. >> the reality is more complicated. while older folks may pay less, take the example of a 27-year-old nonsmoker in philadelphia who now pays $73 a month and now he will pay $195 under the cheapest obamacare plan. senator lee, in addition to the fact that under some of these plans that came outlast week people will pay higher preem -- premiums they will have big deductibles, as much as $500 a year. >> big deductibles and high premiums. we are seeing their statistics for 27-year-olds and even when you get up to 40-year-olds in many parts of the country people will be paying
sometimes double what they have been paying currently. this is not acceptable. we are seeing astronomical increases in health care premiums and people can't afford that right mow. we can't afford to put that on the american people especially at a time when we are told by the president that this law would make health care cheaper. that this law would make health care more fair. it is having the opposite affect in both respects. >> senator, i want to show you a letter that regents blue cross, blue shield sent a 62-year-old couple in chicago this last week . they run a small business -- actually it was two weeks ago they sent it. it says, quote, under the affordable care act they must get a new policy that doubles their deductible to $5,000 each and raises the cost of an office visit to a specialist from $35 a visit to $100 a visit and increases their premium again. premium. again, that's not what the president promised. >> i don't believe anything
the insurance company says. i'm sure the insurance company says this is because of the affordable care act. these are the same guys who were kicking people off policies turning people away from policies because they had preexisting conditions. >> so you are saying these folks when they are told their deductible goes up and the premium goes up -- >> the word was out about the premiums in virginia when these exchanges open will be favorable to people. some of the numbers you were quoting earlier didn't take into account there are subsidees involved as well. of what the premium is, it is going to be subsidized and dropped so it is affordable. very important questions but we shouldn't be wrapping these questions up with the threat of government shutdown. that's what is wrong. >> i understand that. the shutdown is a different issue. i want to talk about obamacare. >> i will keep bringing it back. 24r* is one side linking obamacare with a shutdown of government. let's have the debate. let's have the debate about immigration reform. >> i think you have made that
point. let's go to the question of jobs. under obamacare any employer with 50 full time workers must provide coverage in 2015 and must provide under the employer mandate. full time is 30 hours a week or more. president obama says that won't be a problem. >> they said this would be a disaster in terms of jobs. there is no widespread evidence that the affordable care act has hurt in jobs. >> but a study this week found 313 companies 313 are either laying off workers or cutting their hours to avoid the obamacare employer mandate. senator lee. >> this is another example of what happens in washington. as we say, the bullet points are different than the bill. that's true with respect to any piece of legislation. especially with a 2700 page piece of legislation. we are still learning more and more about the implications about this law. as it is taking affect and as
we are getting ready for this law to kick in fully in 2014 we are seeing the harmful affects end we are seeing that people are losing jobs and people are losing access. the health care is getting more expensive and not less expensive and the president is handing out favors to special inlet -- special interest. we want a delay for everyone. the only way to do that is in connection with the continuing resolution. >> he mentioned all of these bad things and we see that kids are not getting turned away because of the preexisting conditions. we see small businesses get tax credits to buy insurance for their employees and they are getting pre preventive care. and we can't discriminate against women on the grounds of gender. a whole lot of -- i have had personal experiences with this. when i was running for the senate i had to buy insurance. we called to get insurance and my wife was told we will give you insurance for you and your husband for two of the three kids, but we won't give insurance for your third kid
because of a medical condition. my wife called and said i think that is against the law. hhs called the insurance company and they had to call us and apologize and say, you know what we will write you an insurance for your entire family. it is now against the law to say to a kid, we will not insurance you, but we will ensure everybody -- insurance everybody else. >> let's keep the subject on jobs. republicans are saying this is costing jobs and so is big labor. look at this. >> we will be damned if we will lose our health insurance because of unintended consequences in a law. it needs to be changed. 2* needs to be fixed and it needs to be fixesed now brothers and sisters. >> union leaders and big obama supporters are saying that this is hurting them. >> they are saying it needs to be fixed so let's have a debate over fixed over repeal, fund or delay. we wanted to have a debate in
march. the senate passed in a budget an idea to reform this medical device tag. we want to fix it and reform it. that's the right way to do this. the republicans have blocked us from going to a budget conference for now six and a half months. you fix it in a budget conference and not with a government shutdown. >> i want to get to one last area and this is an area you will like perhaps more than senator lee. the nonpartisan -- i want to talk about access. the nonpartisan off the estimates by 2016 obamacare will cover 30 to 33 million people who are now uninsured. there was a house republican plan that covered three million. senator lee for all of the talk about delaying and de funding obamacare you guys do not have a plan that takes care of the millions of people who are uninsured. >> that entity found 10 years from now we will still have 31 million uninsured in america.
we were promised that this law would take care of that. it would perhaps and we also know that as we go into that that would come under the cost of many, many jobs. it would come at the cost of many people paying health care premiums. >> there is a specific issue. you don't have a plan that would cover if not all uninsured tens of millions. >> we do have a number of plans that the republicans have submitted. i submitted one with my connection and the house republican study committee has introduced another plan. there are a lot of other plans out there that would increase affordability and report built making it more possible for people who want to afford health insurance and make sure they can carry it from state to state and job to job creating interstate competition so more people can afford it. >> i have to say i am glad there was a plan. senator cruz talked about
reforms he would like. i want to put one together. let's put plans on the table and talk about fixing and adjusting. the best word about our current dynamic was a house republican who was the deputy and rejects the shutdown thing and here is what he said. when you hurt millions of people and inconvenience tens of millions more you don't achieve your in. you wonder why you did that to them. >> we want to do reforms of the federal care act and the farm bill and immigration form. >> senator kaine and senator lee, thank you both and thank you for coming in. it should be an interesting week. on capitol hill tomorrow is the final day for congress to avoid a shutdown and keep the government open for business. our sunday pam weighs in on what they think will happen. with the spark miles card from capital one bjorn earns unlimited rewas for his small business take theseags
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>> that was the do -- debate on the house floor. it is time for our sunday group. our senior fox news political analyst and evan bye and kimberly strosel and juan williams. i think it is fair to say that up until now most folks in washington feel that this whole shutdown mess was a political theater and they were going to get it settled. with the house last night passing a bill that includes a bill for obamacare and the
senate not meeting until sunday afternoon 10 hours before the clock strikes midnight, suddenly this is beginning to look real. what strikes but possibility of a shutdown and how we got here? >> you saw it in the interviews and it is how the two sides view this. senator lee said it is a bad law and enumerating the reasons why. senator kaine kept saying don'trnment. it was only senator kaine who mentioned shutdown. the democrats believe the shutdown is a disaster for the republicans. they will be blamed. if history is any guide they will indeed be blamed. that is where we are and neither side feels it has an incentive to move forward with the compromise. it is possible we will get one of the 11th hour deals where you pass a continuing resolution that doesn't have the contentious additions to it for a matter of several days to give us more time. but unless some compromise
emerges that both sides seem likely to agree on, i don't think that would do anything but delay the inevitable. >> senator you and two republicans have come together under the nonpartisan group no labels not republican and not democrat and offer your plan which will be to freeze all spending and all taxes to suspend the debt ceiling all of this to basically keep everything in place until unemployment is back down to 6.5%. what is your reasoning? >> our reasoning is that the most important issue facing the american people today is getting this economy moving. businesses growing and creating jobs and all of this policy uncertainty is really holding the private sector back. you had ben bernanke a couple weeks ago, the federal reserve saying the biggest risk to our economy is our own government. we are calling for a time-out. let's suspend this arangement and let's allow the private sector to grow so there won't be tax increases. the spending will be frozen
and we will suspend enforcement of the debt ceiling. in all likelihood it is the next calendar year. the american people can weigh in on this. let's not tank the economy over these political disputes in washington. >> what may be the most interesting is not the split which you often see between republicans and democrats, but the split inside the gop which we have seen playing out especially in the house. but we slaws it in the senate where at -- but we also saw it in the senate where ted cruz was accusing fellow republicans of appeasement and bob corker was accusing of grandstanding. >> you go to the 1940s nazi germany. we saw in britain nestle -- neville chamberlain said to accept the nazis. >> y'all have sent out releases and e-mails and you want everybody to watch.
>> so as you pointed out in your column the other day cruz and some of his fellow republicans are putting more pressure on the fellow republicans than they are on red state democrats like mary landrew and in alaska and hagin in north carolina who have this vote as to whether or not they will fund obamacare or not. you think that is the wrong strategy? >> here is the thing. everyone is saying this is a divide in the republican party between the people who are principal versus the principal who are sellouts. what is m abouting clear is the -- what is real is those who want a common sense strategically planned way of going forward and those who have marched ahead to the headlines. they haven't done any of the hard work that is necessary to make it work. i called some of the groups and said what is your plan? what senate democrats are you targeting to get to come along with you. what and your pr strategy to get the american public behind
you? i was told these were all tedious questions. now this is what we have. that is the appraisal. they decided to do this on the budget rather than the debt ceiling. the american public is much more behind as an issue. they have no fall back plan. they have sacrificed some of their best leverage, things like the congressional exemption and fighting on the individual mandate and they have given democrats an excuse to say we are not doing anything because this is a spectacle. th has been a -- this has been a strategic error. >> where is this headed and will there be a shutdown and if so who takes the hit? >> there will be a shutdown sad to say and i think the polls indicate that it is republicans that take the hit. i think the latest polls had like 40% would blame the president, but then you have about 30% who would blame president obama. but listening to -- i was
listening to what kim was saying and i was struck by the idea that it is not the normal politics anymore on the hill. what we are seeing here i think is republicans who are responding to the idea that the talk radio folks are out there saying let's go let's stir the base. let's stir not all republicans, but they are the republican base and we can raise money. that's why you have people from heritage action to freedom works to the koch brothers and they have all of the rest going saying we know a way here to stir political passions that goes beyond the calculus of saying we will actually win. winning for them is raising money. >> i think you put your finger on it earlier. we have seen a complete decoupling of primary politics particularly in the republican party and general election politics. the reason they make these strategic errors was a certain number will not
get renominated. the speaker senator mcconnell and oirs they want to work about getting a majority. they will work about getting a majority. that is not a part of the calculus in the house. >> 30 seconds. is there any downside here for the president and for senate democrats if this ship goes over the cliff? >> well, there never has been. i must tell that you as one who covered the shutdown to 1995 to 1996 as a white house cory spawn department, i was stind by the reaction. the republican party was in in much better with the party. republicans were riding high and big government had a bad name as it does now and when the government shutdown as a result of spending cuts that president clinton refused to accept and vetoed a bill to keep the government open i thought he would get much of the blame if not most of it. it was just the opposite. the public absolutely hated the shutdown. ted cruz and company argued it
is all different this time. i must say i had my doubts. i think the republicans will get blamed and it will be very painful for them. this could be a game changer for the forthcoming congressional elections. that is what the leaders on the hill are worried about. the government shutdowns are political poison. >> we have to take a break. when we come back the historic phone call. the president's conversation with the new leader of iran breaks a three-decade freeze in relations. we'll ask our panel for what it means next. @a@a@q@g s??ñ?ñ?ñ?ñ÷??÷÷÷?÷??? xyxyxyxyeeee@s@s@s@s@s@s
>> the test will be meaningful transparent and verifiable actions that can bring relief from the comprehensive international sanctions. >> hoping they will refrain from following the short sided interest a warmongering pressure. we can arrive at a framework to manage our differences. >> president obama and iranian president rouhani making it
clear that they are talking to each other there are major differences to resolve. the white house released the big picture on friday afternoon. president obama is in the oval office and on the phone with president rouhani. the first time leaders of the two countries have spoken in 1979. where are we now in relations between these two countries? >> well, i don't think anything can be shown to have changed except that there was a conversation and we have this rather more appealing fellow. he does very well by comparison with his thugish predecessor. he seems maury fined and more -- more refined and more reasonable, but so far iran hasn't done anything. if you listen to the sound bite they are talking about arriving in a an agreeable framework to resolve the outstanding issues. what does that mean? that is just talk.
a lesson until iran actually agrees to do something and then does it that would reduce the possibility of it having a nuclear arsonal the only thing you can have is a mild degree of interest and not much hope. joy all right. the phone call -- >> all right. the phone call fold a meeting between secretary of state kerry and zarif the fellow on the right with the white beard, and the iranians are saying zarif will bring a plan to address western concerns about its nuclear program when they meet in geneva in mid-october. the iranians are talking about this could get done within months. >> a fair amount of skepticism when it comes to the iranians. the new president has a more moderate face but there is a uniform consensus across the eye ron yen leadership -- iranian leadership. there is some disagreement about how far they should go and what exactly that means. they want to be a nuclear
power. what the new leader wants is a lessening of the economic sanctions. he is perfectly happy to pocket the concessions we will be willing to make, but not compromise on the fundamental goal of becoming a nuclear power. we want to play out the dialogue, but at the end of the day, it all comes back to can we live with a nuclear iran? can they be deterred and can they be detained? the sunni nations may have a different thought of that. >> as prime minister netanyahu will meet with president obama tomorrow monday and kim, you have to figure that he is going to say to the president president obama slow down. >> right. especially because the israelis are well briefed on this guy. he is a more pleasant looking fellow, but look at his history. that's what he has done in the past. he was iran's chief nuclear
negotiator from 2003 to 2005. and he followed the exact same playbook. you calm down tensions and you make a few conciliatory out reaches to everybody. what you are doing is you are buying time for the iranians to continue moving and marching forward. he bragged about this when he finished being chief negotiator. it is one of the places they are enriching uranium. i think the absolute worst situation is what he outlined and what you don't want is to take off these sanctions and even worse maybe suggest that it is okay for them to do reactor grade nuclear work because that is ultimately going to be turned into a nuclear weapons program. >> what do you think are the chances that the west will be played? >> will be played? if you look at history north korea struck a deal in 2005 to say that they were going to do
away with the nuclear capability. i think that is a stark lesson for americans. on the other hand i agree with the rest of the panel. this is a historic moment with tremendous opportunities. we talked about what is going on in syria. you talk about what is going on in terms of israeli-palestinian peace. all of this is directly related to iran. iran is the prime sponsor st -- of the assad regime in syria. when you think about iran and its implications and its power behind the terrorists and the palestinian territories -- >> will it change the policy? >> this is a tremendous moment of opportunity for the united states to strike some kind of deal that would allow us to lower tensions markedly in the middle east. even in terms of negotiating with syria, the french and the russians have said they -- negotiating with the syrians the french and russians say they want the iranians at the bargaining table. >> i want to talk about
syria. there was progress of sorts and the u.n security council passed a resolution under chapter 7 that would authorize -- that would authorize the use of force as well as economic sanctions that would demand that syria honor its pledge to get rid of the chemical weapons arsonal. there was some negative news that was syria a week ago declared what the chemical weapons stockpile was. and the declaration acknowledged the sites and there is a question of are they playing a game? >> these regimes will make what appear to be concessions on some sticking point to avoid negative consequences. you look at it carefully and it turns out the concession is full of all kinds of loopholes and short comings. they are not doing what they pledge to do and what they are under u.n warning to do. that's where we are at an
earlier stage with iran and that's where we are with syria and the more chemical stockpiles. the worry i have and it is shared by many but president obama is so eager to have diplomatic processes underway to be addressing these issues that they become an end in themselves to him and a substitute for actions. >> we have less than a minute left. you would come away any outside observers saying the president doesn't want to get involved in syria and the country and congress and even less so given that couldn't iran look at this situation and say, you know what, we can weather the storm. we can delay and we can do all of this. they are not going to come in in a much harder tougher military action and take out our nuclear problems. >> i'm afraid that's what the iranians have taken away. there is no appetite on the part of the american people and even our closest allies were not willing to go there. the iranians can rope a dope
us along and get what they want. the syrians will cheat on any agreement and the russians won't help to enforce it. there are tough days ahead. >> on that happy note panel see you next week. and remember, our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. you can find it on our website fox news sunday.com. follow us on twitter at fox news sunda next, our power players of the week. american heros gather in get teesburg after one of the bloodiest battles in the civil war. as a working mom of two young boys life could be hectic. angie's list saves me a lot of time. after reading all the reviews i know i'm making the right choice. online or on the phone we help you hire right the first time. with honest reviews on over 720 local services. keeping up with these two is more than a full time job, and i don't have time for unreliable companies. angie's list definitely saves me time and money. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most.
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above and beyond the call of duty. >> i was a first lieu tenant and in vietnam less than two weeks and on my first patrol. >> his company was ambushed by the vee yet kong and his commander killed. he had never been shot at, but now he was in charge. >> i looked out from under my helmet and these marines are look at me saying lieutenant, what do we do? >> he lead the attack on enemy positions and called in airstrikes and directed helicopters to evacuate the dead and wounded. >> i didn't think about my own safety. my only fear was i would make the right decision to do the right thing and hopefully not get my marines hurt. >> we met at the annual convention of the medal of honor society held in get -- gettysburg, pennsylvania. it was the an a verse reof when lynn -- anniversary of when lincoln first bestowed the award. 79 people who received the
award are still living and 44 were there. >> dedication, service of men and women willing to place their lives on the line. >> it is a chance to get together and share war stories. >> ♪ and the rockets red glare ♪ >> more important to promote their core values, love of country and sacrifice. >> what grade are you in? >> they go to local schools to talk to kids who don't even know about the medal of honor. >> the willingness to sacrifice for your buddies is what counts. >> i hosted a town hall and two recipients from afghanistan. he fought off an ambush and fallen comrades. >> it was no spibl day. it was october 25th, and a day in afghanistan. >> and he lead his men defending a remote out post and outnumbered 6-1. >> just doing your job.
>> the boys are expecting you to do it. you depend on them like they depend on you. >> he is not happy with where we are today. >> from the president on down politicians talk about how war weary this country is. what do you think of that? >> we could go and get some of this done faster. if we are going to go let's go let's do it, let's do it right. hit them hard and come home. it is like if a wasp lands on you and you smash it, that wasp is dead. but if you just flick it a little bit you are going to make him mad and he will come at you with vengeance. >> the medal has set a standard he is trying to live up to this last half century. >> this is the venue that has got me to that position. i would never do or say anything to tarnish the history of this medal and what it stands for. >> barnum who is 73 now works with a group that provides segues to veterans with
serious injuries to give them back some mobility. a hero on and off the battlefield. and that's it for today. have a great week. we will see you next fox news. >> fox news sunday is a few seconds. >> tonight on huckabee targeted by the federal government. >> the first contact we had in the irs just a general round of questions, at some point those questions crossed the line. >> after years of harrassment, they are getting tax exempt status, but is she satisfied? >> it is an honor to put on the school jersey. and it is a me, me me. and representing the whole school. >> the high school football coach who suspended the team on