good equipment on their trucks, they want to -- deliver their goods, department of transportation please listen to the comments and don't get too onerous. thank you for watching "special report" is next. president obama's 80% solution to obama care. and a possible political solution to the accountability question. plus senator rand paul joins us for center seat. this is "special report." good evening miami bret baier the obama administration is not denying a report that it would happily take a four out of five approach to declaring the president's health care reform plan a success. but even that relatively modest achievement may not be enough to keep some in the administration from losing their jobs. we have fox team coverage tonight. mike emanuel is on capitol hill with congressional democrats in

disarray. jim angle here in the bureau with why the president's most recent offer to fix the program just makes things much worse. but we begin with chief white house correspondent ed henry on the latest efforts by the president to stop the bleeding from obama care. good evening, ed. >> good evening, bret. you remember last week the president vowed to fix his credibility with the american people. he starts tonight on a conference call with organizing for action to try and rally his political base amid speculation there may also be a staff shake-up. top advisers to president obama are signaling the fumbled health care rollout may finally lead to some heads rolling with former press secretary robert gibbs telling nbc if this were the private sector -- >> somebody would have probably already lost their job and i think the only way to restore ultimate confidence in going forward is to make sure that whoever was in charge of this isn't in charge of the long-term health care plan. >> reporter: gibbs' successor at the podium jay carney would not deny a possible shake-up but suggested any changes the

president makes would be after the website is fixed. >> he believes his team ought to be, and is, focused on getting this right for the american people. >> reporter: there are new questions about how effective that site will be after "the washington post" suggested the administration is lowering the bar by defining success as getting 80% of online users to enroll in a health care plan. which seems to bug even top democrats. >> is that acceptable? >> no, it's not acceptable ongoing. but they're saying by with the fixes to the website they that anticipating that 80% by the end by december 1 as we go forward. no, it has to be improved upon then. >> reporter: while pelosi went on to say that overall she still believes the law will work, only reaching 80% means up to 20% will still be unable to use healthcare.gov. they carney suggested they'll be able to enroll by phone or mail. >> will there be a significant

percentage of people, then, who will be fined anyway, even though they went on the website, trying to get health care, they don't get it, and then they will pay the penalty? >> again the universal i've described to you are people who will have available to them other means. >> reporter: for now the law is still a punch line with "saturday night live" suggesting the president's second term has become downright depressing. >> and paxil's second-term strength treats a whole range of symptoms, like benghazi, the irs scandal, the ap scandal, the petraeus scandal, that time jay-z and beyonce went to cuba and of course obama care website problems. warning, paxil is not covered by obama care. for that we apologize. >> yes, we still can. with taxes. >> reporter: now in houston today, vice president joe biden was talking up the economy and when asked about the health care website he vowed they're going to fix it before adding, god

willing. bret? >> ed henry live on the north lawn. ed, thank you. president obama's newest policy, if you like your canceled plan, you can keep it for a year. may cause more trouble than it prevents. tonight chief national correspondent jim angle tells us about the potential high cost going forward of going backwards. >> reporter: the president's effort to get others to save him from the political heat of canceled insurance policies is not off to a roaring start. according to former democratic senator ben nelson, thank you head of the state insurance commissioner's association. >> someone decided that they're not going to follow what the president has suggested. keep in mind, it is a suggestion. it is not a ruling and certainly it's not a -- not a how. >> reporter: commissioners and companies are skeptical because the president's move will exempt millions of people from joining the obama care exchanges next year. and that could have sweeping repercussions, potentially causing insurance costs to soar.

>> the question is, what happened? who will join the market? will it be the young and the healthy, balancing out the old and the sick, which is absolutely important to make sure that whomever bays they'll have affordable coverage. >> reporter: those in the individual market are likely to be fairly healthy if millions of them are no longer subject to obama care for next year, it could leave the exchanges weighted too heavily toward older and sicker people, in which case prices for coverage could only rise. >> obviously a year from now, premiums will have to go up by a lot because some of the insurers have been forced to cover this large pool of relatively unhealthy people. >> reporter: the insurance commissioners also worry about the financial health of insurance companies themselves. if they're forced to cover a pool of largely sick, and therefore expensive, consumers. >> the commissioners are focused on solvency. they want to make certain that this doesn't shift the cost to the point that insurers face and risk insolvency. >> it brings up the question of

solvency for those smaller companies doing business in the insurance marketplace. all over america, and it also brings up the question of price going forward. >> they're reversing their own policy and their own course which really brings in to question how these insurance exchanges are going to be financially viable going forward. >> reporter: that's an outcome even supporters worry about, because if the exchanges suddenly become far more expensive than planned subsidies rise and rates along with them, then the difficulties with the website will be the least of obama care's problems. bret? >> all right, jim, thank you. the top democrat in the house does not think obama care is in trouble, and does not believe her party is coming apart at the seams. tonight chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel looks at what is happening, at a very jittery capitol. >> reporter: despite a veto threat and even though president obama offered an administrative fix thursday, 39 house democrats voted with republicans friday on a bill their leadership says would destroy obama care.

>> the reason why i voted yes is because we want to get people into the individual choices, right? so, yeah, i'm inclined to think that individuals are probably the best at deciding what policy is best for them. >> reporter: yet house democratic leader nancy pelosi insisted democrats will stand tall for obama care in next year's elections. >> but no, that isn't a question of democrats defecting from the president. it's not even about the president so much as about the affordable care act. i don't think it's in trouble. i think we just have to remain couple. get through the website getting fixed. >> reporter: new york democrat senator kerstin jill brand said she was not surprised when americans started receiving policy cancellation notices. >> we all knew. the whole point of the plan is to cover things people need like preventive care, birth control, pregnancy. >> reporter: but that's not what senate democrats said back in 2009. >> we said that time and time again. if you like the coverage you have, you can choose to keep it. >> we're going to put in any legislation considered by the house and the senate, the

protection of you as an individual to keep the health insurance you have, if that's what you want. >> of those individuals who like the coverage they already have will be able to keep their current plan. this is a very accurate description of this bill. >> reporter: and now land rue in what's expected to be a tough re-election bid is preparing a bill that would allow consumers to keep their current insurance indefinitely. her likely gop challenger calls it trickery and says she's seeking political cover. >> her bill, senator landrieu's bill is deception. we need honesty now. >> reporter: two democrats running for open seats in the senate from iowa and michigan were among those voting with republicans on friday. with the president's poll numbers down and obama care off to a very rough start a number of democrats are trying to create some distance. bret? >> mike emanuel live on the hill, thank you. some other news now. friday is the 50th anniversary of the assassination of president john f. kennedy. yesterday on fox news sunday,

his niece said she does not know if lee harvey oswald acted alone in the killing. that's just the kind of speculation that has kept conspiracy theorists busy for a half century. senior political analyst brit hume has some thoughts on all this tonight. good evening, brit. >> hi, bret. when the night club owner jack ruby shot accused kennedy assassin lee harvey oswald to death in a dallas police department hallway he ended more than oswald's life. he ended any chance that the case that oswald had killed kennedy and done so alone would ever be tested in a court of law. the blue ribbon commission led by then chief justice earl warren has proved a poor substitute. reams of material pointing in a multitude of directions have given rise to a welter of alternate theories of the kennedy murder. some say the cia was behind it. some say lyndon johnson was. others say the mob did it. my personal favorite is the one propounded by a british writer who continued in a book called the oswald files that the murder was actually carried out by a

soviet agent pas oswald. he claimed that huddle, not oswald is buried in os wald's grave. eventually a judge actually ordered the body dug up. it was, and it was oswald's. but the conspiracy theorists have succeeded in sowing enough doubt that only about 30% of americans believe oswald killed kennedy, acting alone. if this proves anything it is the wisdom of trying facts under the strict rules of evidence applied in our courts, unlike the wild and wide open world of public opinion, whereas the kennedy case illustrates, there is such a thing as too much evidence. bret? >> what do you think attracts people to the conspiracy theories, in these big cases? >> i've always thought that it was the idea that someone so significant, lee harvey oswald in the kennedy case, james earl ray in the king case, someone so insignificant could take down someone so large. it offends, i think, a person's sense of proportions. and to such an extent that people think, that couldn't be

possible. can that lowly figure acting alone have done that? that's what the evidence has appeared to show in both cases. but a huge number of people have always doubted it. >> all right, brit, thank you. >> you bet. >> what do you think? do you think there was a conspiracy to kill president kennedy? let me know on twitte twitter @bretbaier, use the #specialreport. up next, is the u.s. finally getting out of gitmo? but first, here's what some of our fox affiliates across the country are covering tonight. wofl in orlando with the launch of the maven. which will try to determine what turned mars into a cold, desert planet. fox 13 in memphis with an anything but routine traffic stop that had one cop shooting at a minivan full of children. a mother and her teenage son were arrested following multiple high speed chases. when officers tried to pull them over for speeding, the officers are now under investigation. the children have been released to a family friend. and this is a live look at boston from our affiliate there, wfxt. the big story there tonight the investigation into the

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one of president obama's first promises was to close the terrorist prison at guantanamo bay. almost six years later, it's still open. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge on the latest efforts to change that. >> reporter: an amendment put forward by the democratic chairman of the senate armed services committee, carl levin, would give the president more flexibility to transfer the remaining 164 detainees to u.s. soil for pretrail detention prosecution and medical treatment. the bar for overseas transfers would also be lower with assurances from the defense

secretary that actions are being taken to, quote, substantially mitigate the risk of detainees engaging or re-engaging in terrorism. supporters include the aclu. >> we've got a real dollars and sense cost. the united states is now paying $2.7 million every single year to hold each of these detainees down at guantanamo. >> reporter: in his wide-ranging national security address last may the president said the al qaeda threat is diminished, and the detention camps are a bush era relic. >> given my administration's relentless pursuit of al qaeda's leadership, there is no justification, beyond politics, for congress to prevent us from closing a facility that should have never been opened. >> reporter: republican senators ayotte and sham blechambliss ar working on an alternate amendment that would transfer yemeni detainees back to their home country until 2015. and if past is prologue critics claim the administration is ignoring the detainees who are concerned or suspected of

returning to the fight nearly 30%. >> one, i don't believe that they can be guaranteed that they'll be kept in prison. and they won't be able to escape. secondly those who go to these retraining or rehabilitation programs, the success rate is not that high. >> reporter: the senate defense bill could come up for debate as early as this week and even if it clears the levin amendment intact there will be opposition from republicans in the house who earlier this year approved a measure to further restrict the guantanamo transfers. bret? >> catherine, thank you. the u.s. supreme court is refusing to stop the nsa's collection of phone records from millions of verizon customers in the u.s. a privacy group wanted justices to intervene. they said no. tomorrow morning, the president will try to buy some time with senate leaders for his iran policy. he wants to forego additional sanctions in hopes of an agreement on the republic's nuclear program. but that very approach with an enemy is causing problems with america's friends. senior foreign affairs correspondent amy kellogg has the story from london.

>> reporter: french president francois hollande is feted on a state visit to israel, praised for having played tough in talks with iran last week. france inserted some demands into the mix that had been left out of the draft agreement. iran wasn't ready to agree to them. >> iran's dream deal is the world's nightmare. >> reporter: israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu continued to sound off against the deal with the islamic republic, that stops short of keeping it from enriching another ounce of uranium. the world powers continue to work on a deal to end the nuclear standoff with iran. >> we will negotiate in good faith, and we will try to get a first step agreement. >> reporter: the u.s.' major allies in the region like israel and saudi arabia won't be pleased if that deal gets done. and there's concern that their disclosure may seriously impact america's ability to conduct a robust and effective foreign policy in the region. >> i see the region reinforcing

its view of the obama administration, and that is that the obama administration is week, and that's not a reliable partner. and that the iranians have got the upper hand. >> reporter: others argue the administration has been skillful in avoiding further wars in the region. and ultimately, a deal with the islamic republic could be beneficial for israel's security in the long run. the talks resume in geneva later this week. bret? >> amy kellogg in london. amy, thank you. still ahead, perspective. republican candidates and current kentucky republican senator rand paul in the center seat tonight surrounded by george will, charles krauthammer. first you will not believe what toronto's crack-smoking mayor sees in his political future. rob ford's first interview on fox coming up. ooh, homemade soup! yeah...

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toronto's embattled mayor is not backing down. following another political body shot today from his fellow lawmakers. in fact, he sees a ford in his country's future at the top. senior national correspondent john roberts has an exclusive interview tonight with the man still in charge, at least officially, of north america's fourth largest city. >> reporter: it was a dramatic day that saw the mayor accidentally bowl over a colleague. but in the end, toronto city council buried the knife deep in rob ford's political heart today. they stripped the embattled mayor of his budget, his staff, and most of his powers. but in an exclusive interview with fox news ford was still defiant. >> if the counselors want to do what they're doing, stripping me all my powers, take away all my staff, they can't stop me from showing up to council, debating

every issue. >> reporter: few politicians could survive what ford has acknowledged. smoking crack cocaine. being drunk in public. yet he says he has moved past the public shaming. and hopes to convince supporters like these fans at yesterday's division championship football game that he is dealing with his demons. >> i am training every day. i'm in a gym for two hours every day. i'm seeking professional help. >> reporter: but ford stopped short of saying he was getting treatment for substance abuse. >> i don't call it substance abuse because i'm not an addict. i'm not an alcoholic. we have health issues here. my weight is a huge issue. >> reporter: even ford's closest allies believe he is in deep denial and want medical proof he's up to the job. ford insists it's no one's business what he's doing in private. measure my record he says, not my personal failings. >> i know one thing. i know i return every single phone call personally. i've watched every single dime that is spent.

majority of counselors down at city hall are left wing tax and spend socialists. >> that defiance is a hallmark of ford's persona. some people say approaches delusional. particularly when ford told me that only does he expect to survive this and win re-election but one day wants to hold the highest office in the land, prime minister. bret? >> that would be something. john, thank you. voters in albuquerque, new mexico, will decide tomorrow if theirs will be the first city in the u.s. to outlaw abortions after 20 weeks. 13 states had done so already. but this believed to be the first such referendum of its kind as being watched as a possible new front for activism in the abortion wars that have typically been waged at the federal and state levels. incredible video of tornado devastation in the heartland. plus, republican senator rand paul talks health care and other topics with george will, charles krauthammer, and me. stay with us.

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it was a matter of minutes between the wail of the sirens and the roar of the funnel cloud. a storm chaser was caught in the middle of it. >> it's not like it is in the movies. i didn't see a pretty blue center. i did look up. the debris was unbelievable. it was very dark. the wind, i can't really describe. it was a sound of just, you know, they say freight train but it's just a roar that's just ear piercing. >> reporter: as quickly as it hit it left behind a carved path of destruction. homes ripped to the ground. cars tossed around. lives devastated. >> i saw people with blood dripping. i mean people yelling, are you in there? people with axes knocking stuff to get to people. >> reporter: new menden, illinois, a tornado ripped his farmer and a sister from their home killing them both. overall an unseasonable weather pattern whipped up 80 tornadoes across the midwest. two of the tornadoes estimated as ef-4, the second most powerful category on record. the system traveled east at the

speed of traffic. leaving destruction whenever a funnel cloud reached toward the earth. behind the storms, bitter cold. in those cold temperatures, the numb fingers of survivors have the arduous task of digging through debris, finding what is salvageable, and repatching lives. >> our mission now is to recover. and we will recover. we will prevail. >> reporter: immediately, many displaced residents are relying on friends and family to put a roof over their heads. but they face a long reconstruction, and a long winter. >> we're not going to get back in soon. so finding a place to call home for the next six or eight months as they rebuild is going to be a concern. >> reporter: this marks the deadliest tornado outbreak in november in illinois history. and since tornadoes formed all the way up in michigan, it marks the furthest north that tornadoes have formed this late in the year since modern recordkeeping began. bret? >> mark tobin live in washington, illinois. more legal trouble tonight

for george zimmerman. he's been arrested there florida after deputies responded to a disturbance call. >> he has a freaking gun breaking all of my stuff right now. no, this is not -- >> okay. >> i'm doing this again? he just broke my glass table. you just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my freaken face. >> zimmerman was acquitted last summer in all charges in the shooting death of unarmed african-american teenager trayvon martin. since then he has been involved in a domestic dispute and been pulled over three times for traffic stops. big money changing hands tonight at the dubai air show. almost $194 billion, billion with a "b," in sales, have been reported in the first two days. including $192.3 on day one. a record for any air show. uae airlines, the largest commercial aircraft order in history buying more than 300 new boeing aircraft, a big boost to the u.s.-based boeing, and

general electric, which makes the engines. a record day on wall street today. the dow passed the 16,000 mark for the first time before finishing at a new record close. the s&p 500 crossed 1800, and then retreated after losing seven. the nasdaq was down 36. it's monday that means, if you've not participated go to our home page, check it out and simply watch the instructions there. it's your chance to sit on the panel, provide instance feedback to what the panelists are saying, and tonight what senator rand paul is saying. you can also access the pulse on your smartphone or tablet at bing.com/politics. senator rand paul in the center seat when we come back.

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columnist charles krauthammer and in the center seat tonight we welcome kentucky republican senator rand paul. senator, thanks for being here. >> glad to be with you. >> a lot of people asking, what do you think happens with obama care, and where this all ends up? the end game, here, as we see all of the pieces of this moving forward. >> i don't think it's fixable. and i think that most of the fixes coming from the executive are unconstitutional. one of the clear separations of powers was that the legislature was supposed to legislate, and the president wasn't. he's essentially amended obama care maybe 20-some-odd times and i don't think he's allowed to. and so i think it needs to be decided in court. but i think his fix saying, oh, you can still sell these insurance policies, well they've quit selling these insurance policies. they're not going to call and tell you, oh, yeah we can give you the cheaper policy when they know president obama is forcing them into the more expensive policy within a rear. >> do you think the administration, the president will back down realizing the

things's not coming to the or it's going to take an effort some other way? >> i had predicted two weeks ago within a month he would do something. within two weeks he did something because it was so horrendous. they were repeating over and over again that he could promise you you could keep your doctor and apparently it isn't true. the other thing that hasn't been reported enough is that we actually had a vote in the senate. this isn't part of the original obama care. it's a regulation passed three months later and we voted to try to get rid of the rule to say you couldn't be canceled. every republican said we didn't like the rule and voted against it. every democrat, including some of those now running away from this rule, voted to keep this rule, specifically the rule allowing them to cancel your policy. >> mara? >> senator, what would you like to replace obama care with? or do you think that the system we have before the law was passed was just fine? >> i practiced medicine for 20 years and i think the system we had wasn't real capitalism, didn't have great competition and didn't work well. if you want a good system you need a system that has good competition. for example, i do cataract surgery. my charge was the same as every

doctor in the whole country for cataract surgery because medicare paid for most of it. if you were to double magically the number of ophthalmologists in one night we'd spend twice as much and prices would be the same. because i think we went the wrong way. he narrowed the marketplace. the only marketplace in medicine were health savings accounts and he made them smaller. i would make them almost infinite and let them use them for college education if you didn't use them for medical care. >> so tax free savings to pay for your medical care and that would be the republican plan? >> well, it helps. and what it does is when you have tax free accounts, you buy policies with higher deductibles and they're cheaper. under obama care you have higher deductibles and they're not cheaper because they mandate that it covers 15 different items that you have to have. so a 24-year-old single guy has to have dental coverage for his kids that he doesn't have or pregnancy coverage for the wife he doesn't have. so under our system you'd have liar deductibles but lower premiums but more freedom as to

how to spend your money. >> charles? >> well, senator, when obama care was at issue, a month ago, when it came to continuing resolution to funding the government you supported a filibuster of other senators, who demanded that you had to have a change or on ligs of obama care as a condition for funding the government. in retrospect do you think that was a good strategy? but even more importantly, looking ahead, the deadlines are coming up, the resolution's going to run out, we're going to hit the debt ceiling soon, would you be prepared to use the same tactic as we approach the new deadlines? >> well, i said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. even though it did appear as if i was participating in it, i said it was a dumb idea. and the reason i voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. here's the conup drum. we have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check we just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. so unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and i can't vote for that.

but the conundrum is if i don't we do approach these deadlines so there is an impasse. in 2011 we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. we got the sequester. if we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years. >> but what is the democrats and the president resist any of that as we approach the expiration of the resolution? >> i think they will resist and i think they know that our leverage is diminished an our will to shut down the government is diminished -- i will not vote to raise the debt ceiling without conditions. but that doesn't mean i'm in favor -- sometimes you vote no and the government still stays open. so i'm in favor of voting for the principled position, but trying not to be the fly in the ointment that shuts the government down. >> you mean as only your side doesn't have a majority? >> well, that's the difficulty. because we have the majority in the house and we're a minority in the senate. so that is the difficulty. when we got out of the impasse last time it took mostly democrats and some republicans.

it's a -- >> i think that's what it will take again. >> -- if the decided vote. >> if it's a tie in the deciding vote i have to vote for what everybody in kentucky wants and that's that we cannot raise the debt ceiling unconditionally. >> george? >> you begin this evening by saying what the president is doing when he advises the language of the law, and it's the statement about a line-item veto to change numbers, is unconstitutional. however, if he gets away with it and it becomes established practice then it becomes constitutional by default, and the supreme court will not intervene for this dispute between the branches, what can be done? >> well, i think, i'm not sure i know the answer to that. i keep asking lawyers and i ask friends in the senate who are constitutional lawyers, who do we get standing to adjudicate this question? most of them say it's very difficult, if not impossible. and so i don't know how you answer this. but to me it's one of the fundamental tenets of our country is the separation of powers. that legislature, in fact, mon tess cue said if you allow the

executive to legislate you're essentially allowing him to become tyrannical, so we have to do something about it. i think there should be an avenue to the supreme court, but so far haven't discovered how we would do it. >> the president has now defined success down. that is a 20% failure rate is considered a success. but if that fix produces that result, 80%, in, 20% out. the adverse selection gets worse, that is premiums will go up, in the next year, can you see any way of avoiding either higher subsidies at that point, to make the premiums affordable, or price control, and can you see either of those getting through congress? >> no. and that's why i wonder whether he does that unilaterally, too. and if we keep getting unilaterally closer and closer to a single payer system. you hit the nail on the head. young people aren't buying this now. we're trying to force them by penalizing them but even the penalty is not enough. if young people don't buy it the price in the year is going to be even higher for young, healthy

people and it will essentially be a high risk pool which is very expensive to cover and the prices go higher and higher and the only fix become more mandates. some people have said the discussion over obama care isn't about health care it's about freedom of choice versus coercion. the president is coercing you into four plans and he's telling you exactly what you have to buy. this is extraordinary in our country. and that's why the whole supreme court case was something that was incredibly important, and i'm still incredibly disappointed at the outcome. >> senator, we have some people to tweet in questions to you. one of them, writes this, do you think that the two sides can get a budget done, or are we doomed to a continuing resolution for the rest of president obama's term in office? >> doomed. >> period? >> well, the reason is, is that, for example, the budget in the house doesn't raise taxes. the republican budget doesn't raise taxes. the senate budget raises taxes a trillion dollars. splitting the middle of this isn't acceptable, you know, to us because we think raises taxes

again is bad for the economy. so i don't think we're going to vote for a $500 billion tax increase. in fact i don't think republicans are going to vote for a tax increase. so continuing resolutions go on. but here's where some of the blame lies. if you do the individual appropriation bills you wouldn't have a continuing resolution. harry reid could pass individual appropriations bills but he hasn't done it. there are twelve different appropriation bills if you did that there would be no enormous continuing resolution. >> so this current budget conference committee back and forth and hearing that it's possible, you just don't buy it? >> i'm not saying we shouldn't talk. and i'm not saying there shouldn't be negotiation, we shouldn't try. but if i had to predict january 15th there will be another continuing resolution it's a really bad way to run your government. 2,000 page bill will come out, nobody has time to read it and it will be plopped on the desk. the last one we had one bill and all senators were allowed to read one bill. so all of our staff were in there looking over shoulders trying to read a 2,000 page bill and that's why stuff gets stuck in in the dead of night. they go, how did that get in

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welcome back to "center seat." our guest senator rand paul. another twitter question, richard garner writes this, what would he suggest we do about iran versus our current policy? would he allow them to have a nuclear? >> no. and you know, i voted repeatedly for sanctions. and i would like to bring them to the negotiating table, and it appears as if the sanctions are working. >> did you do anything -- would you do anything different than

this administration is doing? >> i guess it's unclear what we're doing at this point. because i'm not privy to exactly what is going on with the negotiations. i think it's a good sign that we are in negotiations and that iran, i think, is feeling the sanctions. and i think that's why they've come to the negotiating table. >> this administration it seems to trying to zile back on the sanctions in order to go to this next step. are you in favor of that? >> i think that if you go to negotiations there will be carrot and stick and i'm not sure -- i know what stick is but i'm not sure what carrot is and what the exchange will be. i think if you want to negotiate and you want to have diplomacy there's some kind of exchange. i do think that ultimately if we want iran to behave and enter into the civilized world again, i think china and russia can have a great deal of influence on this. india, japan, china, and what we've limited, there's still importing quite a bit of that oil. ultimately if china were completely with us on this, i think iran would turn around and really would accept significant

changes. >> but senator, china has shown zero interest in reining in iran's nuclear program over the last decade. and russia, as well. there's no hope of that happening. our only hope is, as you said, the sanctions. there's now a move in congress to increase the sanctions precisely because the current sanctions are the one thing that brought the regime into negotiations. do you support or do you oppose the move in congress right now to increase the sanctions? >> i haven't seen what the sanctions are yet. but what i would say is that i am a little bit concerned about having new sanctions in the middle of negotiations. whether that leads to more negotiation or less negotiation, and i think there's at least a reasonable argument that adding new sanctions, and i've supported every one of the but adding new sanctions in the middle of a negotiation, whether that's a good idea or not or whether that scares them away from the table, my goal is is i want the outcome to hopefully be one that's not war. i think we've had quite a bit of war in the last decade. i would like to have an outcome where iran agrees not to create

nuclear weapons, but at the same time we do it without having to have a war. >> let me ask you one last question, therefore, if the negotiations collapse, if the irans either walk away or they violate, or it simply doesn't proceed, are you prepared, as a last resort, with iran about to go nuclear would you be prepared to if you were the president, to order a military strike as a way to prevent that outcome? >> i would say all options would be on the table and that would include military. i would also be prepared to vote for more sanctions if we go away from negotiations, and the negotiations fail. i think in the midst of negotiations, it's a mistake, though. >> george? >> you know, charles' question, just a different way. the president has been very specific saying my policy is not containment of a nuclear iran. would president paul have the same policy that you would act to make it impossible for them to have nuclear weapons? >> right. what i've said with regard to containment is, is that we -- it

shouldn't be our policy at this point in time, in trying to prevent them from having nuclear weapons, and the one reason i haven't liked to use the word never with regards to containment is that if you said that with regard to china, or pakistan, or north korea, we would now be at war with those countries, because all of a sudden one day they had nuclear weapon. so i don't think it should be our policy. you can have nuclear weapons and we'll contain them. that shouldn't be our policy. but i don't think we should also say the extension of that, that we will never have containment as a policy. containment actually, for 70 years, was a great policy with regard -- >> -- came to you and said, the progress is too fast, they're too close now, we must strike, will you help us? what would you say? >> you know, i think that's a tough situation. i think with regard to israel, deciding it's in their best interest, i don't think it's ever our obligation to criticize them for defending their country. if they decided to act

unilaterally i don't think it's our place to be criticizing -- but that's another question i think it has to be probably decided by what the facts on the ground are at that point and how close they are. so really, the decisions like that i think are sometimes dependent on facts you may not have. you know, even within the senate, or amongst us we may not have the facts. >> mar were, 2016 question. >> 2016, you would have the fact if you were commander in chief. >> right. >> so let me ask you a question about that. voters are completely disgusted with washington. every player here gets abysmally historically low ratings from the president to the leadershi. why wouldn't voters want an outsider in 2016, a republican governor, maybe a conservative governor as a blue state? >> i think they want someone outside of, you know, what's been going on. for example, someone like myself who has been promoting term limits, someone who says we shouldn't have, you know, decade after decade longevity up here. i think i'm a enough new here to still be perceived as an outsider should that be the choice sometime in

2016. but i don't know that a governor is necessarily an outsider. a governor can be an insider as much as anybody else. i think you want somebody who maybe hasn't spent their whole life in pick politics. people have had another career. when young people come up to me and ask me about getting involved in politics. that's my first advice, get a real job and do something and have a real career before being in politics. >> like eye doctor example? >> yeah. >> is chris christie a conservative. >> how you define that. if you have a very loose definition, probably. if you look at that at a lot of issues whether we should accept obamacare, bring it to our state, expand medicaid those would be at best moderate positions. so, but everybody has to make that judge. but i think we have room for moderates in our party. >> all right, senator, thank you very much for being here on center seat. i really appreciate it that's it for the panel. stay tuned for when horsing around goes wrong, plus tonight's sr binge pulls highlights. -- s.r. bing pulse

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got here? horse and buggy. that's it for this report tonight. fair, balanced and unafraid. greta goes "on the record" right now. now, where i went to school 80% was a c. that's what the obama administration is shoeing for, a c? well, they may be lucky they are only answering to the american people and not those nuns. >> the regime's goal is to see 80% of users able to complete their enrollment process by november 30th. >> i think the way to look at that figure is that of, say, 10 who go on the system, roughly two won't get through. >> this thing is failing but this is failing much faster than they expected. >> if the regime today acknowledged a willingness to accept 20% failure rate. >> but, again, the