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nobody else could? what was it about him? >> he had some special qualities. he was a humble person with impressive grace, almost like royalty. he had good humor. and gentleness. but steel in his backbone and resolve and conviction. i think one thing that possibly was different about him, he had that wonderful ability to put himself in other people's shoes and try to look at tough issues from their perspectiie as well as his own. and that's an enormously valuable thing when you're wrestling with tough issues where people feel strongly. and you know, it gets to appreciate and look around the world today at the public dialogue and we can see how rare is it that people have that talent of putting themselves in
the other person's shoes. and i would add forgiveness. not easy. for any of us, i suppose. but he clearly had the ability to behave in a way that suggested he truly forgave people who had views that he believed fundamentally were wrong and forgave the damage that was done to his life by spending more than two and a half decades in prison. >> you know, it's so -- it's just stunning that you can spend 27 years in prison, emerge with no bitterness but rather with a sense of determination to make things right. >> and not only a determination to make it right. but a wonderful ability to persuade others that the
approach he was takingen one of understanding, one of forgiveness, i should add one of good humor, that smile, i think did a great deal to advance his cause. you just imagine how the lives that his heroic lives changed not just in south africa but by his example around the world. it has truly been a very special thing during our lifetime to have seen it and experienced it and benefitted as a people from it. >> you know, i wonder if young americans who didn't live in the pre-nelson-mandela-president time can appreciate just the magnitude of what he did. i mean, it's just -- those of us who are old enough to have lived during the apartheid time and see what he has done to south africa is just around words. >> it truly is.
i read something one day that he said something to the effect that it is best that he was in fact caught when he was planning various types of sabotage because he would not have wanted to live his life with that on his conscious that he would have killed innocent people. he was captured and put in prison before he and the group of people who were planning sabotage had an opportunity to execute it. >> mr. secretary, thank you, sir. >> you bet, greta. >> now we're going to go to south africa outside nelson mandela's home. tell us what is going on there right now. >> good evening, greta. south africa is not sleeping tonight in the places that nelson mandela has touched people will out on the streets. outside in front of his house in
soweto and in north johannesburg where he passed away it may be after midnight here but the crowds are still growing. there are hundreds here. and the mood has changed quite rapidly from one of quiet shock to boisterous celebration of his life. this is a typical almost uniquely south african reaction, greta. people of all colors, many have wrapped themselves in the south african flags, they are toy toying, a revolutionary dance. one young woman is holding up a sign saying it's in our hands now. inside the house, a large, richly furnished tome i've been lucky enough to enter many times to film mr. mandela, the former president was surrounded by family members as he passed away. it's widely believed that elders
from his home village, he was after all, a deeply traditional man, are now going through rituals in english the ceremony they are going through is called the closing of the eyes. it will last several hours during this night. there are many tears in many countless eyes in africa today. mr. mandela always had a smile and a joke when he met people. i was fortunate he asked me eight years ago to come and be his personal vid yeographer. he got a joke out of nothing each time he saw me. he once saw me with a group of women on one occasion and he came over and whispered, lucky you. he turned to me and says, paul, is this the car i came in? well he's going on a journey now. and after up to two weeks of
ceremonies it will end up with him being laid to rest, greta. >> you know, we hear about him being humble. none of us knew him personally. we look at the things he has done this his life. but he tonight, would he be surprised that the whole world is looking at this, all eyes on south africa in a wave of sadness going across the world? >> he was a humble man but he was deeply aware of the major interest in him. he was also incredibly comfortable in the media spotlight. we were fortunate enough. we were so trusted by his security that i and my cameraman were often left alone with him or whether he was in front of hundreds of thousands of people, he had a peace. he was very comfortable in the public. in the public eye. and i think that was because he was a very unselfish man.
he really did live his life for others and particularly for south africans and as you know, greta, he said if necessary he would lay down his life to gain the freedom which he did gain for his people here in south africa, greta. >> is what you see what you got? sometimes politicians are very different publicly and behind closed doors they are very different. is what we saw of him publicly the same man that you knew? >> yes, i think so. i mean, you got to understand as a journalist he would never total totally let his hair down. but he was a dignified and quite quiet man. he was immensely bright and an immensely intelligent. so that he would -- the first occasion when we talked was quite extraordinary. i had interviewed him several times for american television networks and i was coming out of
a coal mine when the phone rang. i didn't think there would be signal and the phone rang and this voice said this is nelson mandela. i thought it was someone playing a joke. i told him to go away. he said this really is nelson mandela. he said do you know something? i get a lot of this. people don't believe is it me. and he asked me to help him to -- his big love in life was children. he used to love children. in fact, with nelson mandela children's fund as he got a little older and started to withdraw from public life the one thing that the boss of the children's fund told me, make sure when you film him you take children. sometimes he can be a little quiet or perhaps a little serious but he would light up that magic would come into his eyes when he saw children, greta. >> paul, we'll check back with you later.
the left side of the screen, that is outside nelson mandela's home and they are -- you can see what they are doing. they seem to be celebrating their president's death. for more reaction on the news of nelson mandela's death, tim scott joins us. >> good evening thank you for having me back on the show on an amazing night. >> it is. we all feel this wave of sadness. but looking at the activity outside of his house there is a celebration there, senator. >> it seems like when you think about his years of being incarcerated, 27 years, you think about the humble spirit that he led, one would celebrate the fact that his life led to truly setting people free. i think about some of the thoughts that i read and he said so much of it had to do with finding humility by listening to others. in this there is a celebration in his quiet silence.
to see the response of his people responding to his life, not to his death but to his life, it's a remarkable scene. >> how many people can -- very few, actually, he's the only one. can change an entire country with a sense of inspiration and get people excited about thing and change decades of such a horrible situation with apartheid. it's just extraordinary. >> it gives me chills, to be honest with you. the notion of a transformational leader is epitomized by thinking of a man in 1962, the same man in 1992 and then watching the celebration in 2013. imprisoned early, set free, not to go revenge those adversaries but to find reconciliation for a nation and being celebrated as a hero at the end of his life. that to me is a remarkable life. >> we should point out he shared
the nobel peace prize with the south african president who was instrumental. they are partners in making this transformation. he gets some credit tonight. >> 1993 was a remarkable year. in spite of her past and challenges, two leaders can bring a nation together with very different pasts but have one united future. >> senator, thank you very much. we are following the breaking news out of south africa. stay with us on this historic but very sad night. stay with us. [ male announcer ] here's a question for you:
breaking news tonight, anti-apartheid leader nelson mandela has died. he spent 27 years in prison. and jennifer griffin was in south africa to report his release. >> it was my first news story as a journalist. i can remember the electric atmosphere in cape town waiting for nelson mandela to come out of prison that day. the thing i remember most. i remember his wife winnie was late that day. he had to wait in prison after waiting 27 years, he had to wait longer while she got her 45hair
done. there were thousands of people waiting in the square. i remember when he was hoisted up in the podium and the first words were uttered. he said i stand before you not as a prophet but as a humble servant. and that was nelson mandela. the night before the newspapers in south africa printed a picture of him. he had aged over those 27 years and it had been illegal to publish his picture or utter his name to, in fact, to sing the anc national anthem. there were so many changes in that year when i was a young journalist in south africa. >> thanks very much. and again those are the pictures in the lower screen, the people outside nelson mandela's home tonight. the world reacting to the death
okay, everyone, it's time to ha i the world is remembering nelson mandela. politicians and celebrities taking to facebook and twitter posting their condolences. former president bill clinton tweeting this photo with this caption, i will nevertheless forget my friend. and george w. bush posting, he was one of the great forces for freedom and equality of our time. he bore his burdens with dignity and grace.
he will be miss but his contributions will live on forever. and john boehner tweeted. and condoleeza rice posting, throughout history a few special people have been able to transcend differences and change theor the better. nelson mandela is one of those people. samuel l. jackson tweeting. and mike tyson tweeting this picture with this caption i'm hearing about nelson mandela's death, sending prayers to his family. and coming up, more coverage of the breaking news, the death of former south african president nelson mandela.
. tonight the news breaking around the world, former south african president, nelson mandela has died. he dismantled south africa's apartheid system and became the country's first black president. you know, it's a sad night to us although we look at the people around mandela's house and they look to accept it better than the rest of the world. but your thoughts about nelson mandela's death. >> he was a great blessing in my life and i think in the lives of many people. the first time i went to south africa i had to go as an honorary white citizen. but shortly after that apartheid ended largely because of his efforts. and he advocated for peace and for forgiveness. and i think there are a lot of lessons that people in our nation could learn from that.
>> you know, people will be talking about this for the next 24 hours and until the funeral and there will be a distance passed. why can't we take his message and work with it? >> well, unfortunately, i think there are a lot of people who have their own agendas. and you know, they're not going to really pay a great deal of attention to it to perhaps give lip service to it right now. but really don't inculcate into their own lives the whole concept of forgiveness and understanding that, you know, we're not each other's enemy. and i think that's something that dr. mandela would have resonated with quite strongly. we're not enemies. and if we use our collective skills, our intellect and
compassion, great things could be done. it goes to show the incredible difference that good leadership makes. >> you know, when he was released, one of the first things he said was he referred to himself as a humble servant of you, the people. >> exactly. and you know, if he had not done what he had done, think about what would have gone on with all of the people, not just one segment of them. it would have been a terrible tragedy for everyone. and right now, you know, south africa is doing relatively well and particularly a lot of the people who were the oppressed people have had enormous opportunities do. they have a ways to go? of course they do. we're human beings, we're never going to reach a state of perfection. but we will continue to make progress. and i hope that now he has died that people will not forget the
lessons that were inherent in his life not only for south africa but really for the rest of the world. you know, he received the nobel peace prize, i can't think of anyone who deserved it more than he did. >> dr. carson thank you very much and see you tomorrow night. thank you. >> thank you again. >> and we're going to have more on the death of nelson mandela and a live report from south africa coming up.
i'm a conservative. i would be a republican in the states. i don't believe in public funded health care. we have to pay for it. what you are doing down there i can't get my head around it. it's costing a fortune. i don't know where you are finding the money. i think people are taxed to death and i don't mind two-tier health care if you want it, pay for it. i understand it. but you know, and we have general health care up here. but, you know, it's going to cost a fortune for you to put in this obama care. and i don't see how the people will afford it. >> the mayor was invited to talk about sports. and now to a warning to computer users around the world. more than 2 million facebook, google and twitter passwords have been stolen. online networks have disabled affected passwords and that's tonight's speed read.
why do the democrats tell us things they know aren't true. >> remember what he president said? if you like your insurance, you can keep it. >> if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan, period. >> what he said was true. >> okay. >> if you want to keep the insurance you had, you can keep it. >> you know that one's not true. and so do they. maybe they should call this guy. >> i got a letter in the latter part of october from florida blue and they told me that by the summer of 2014 i'm going to have to get new insurance. >> that's not all. there's more. the president says the g.o.p. does not have a plan. >> they sure haven't presented an alternative. if you ask the opponents of this law what they would do differently, their answer seems to be let's go back to the way things used to be. >> well that one's not true either. they may not like the g.o.p.
plans but there are plans. you heard some right here. >> our approach the one that is patient based and allows for more flexibility for health savings accounts and people can purchase health care across state lines and a plan that had in it a safeguard for preexisting conditions but did not implement a plan that placed prices. >> why do they keep saying these things and we did not worry they would think about getting caught. karl rove joins us. great to see you. >> great to see you, greta. >> what is this? why are they saying this stuff? there's no contest that it's wrong. >> harry reid in particular is way out there. people have lost their policies between 5.4 and 6.2 million policies have been cancelled.
that represents 10, 12, 14 million people. they got a cancellation letter. and the presidenting acknowledg it. he apologized for it. and harry reid comes back and says the president was right. he was right when he was telling people they could keep their policies. reid's problem is this, this is out of the now fox poll. 38% of the people think the administration has been honest with them about the afford care act. 55% believe they deliberately deserved people. >> i think they are lucky in light of the tape we just ran. >> exactly. did they know in advance that people were going to get kicked off? but harry reid continues to sit there and say things that people know are not true. i mean, look, normally senator
harry reid would be the "d" from nevada. maybe he is the "d" who is dumb. this is stupid on his part to say the president was right when the president said i was wrong. i apologize. was he "d"? who does he think we are that he can go on television and say those kind of things. maybe it's "d" who you going to believe, me or your cancellation letter? it was an extraordinary performance. and harry reid is capable of extraordinary performances. this topped them all. >> even the president saying the g.o.p. has no alternatives. he may not like the alternatives or think they are lousy stupid ideas but he says in a national speech, the republicans have alternatives. that is just flat out wrong. >> remember this president falls back in moments of tension and offers up straw men of saying -- of suggesting that his opponents are in favor of something they are not in favor of. all they want to do is go back to the old system.
hook -- has he not been paying attention? i can't believe a man that smart has not heard of the increasing ability of people to save for out of pocket medical experiences tax free or medical liability. he talked about that in one of his speeches to the congress. so he knows about these proposals and ideas. but you know, in -- >> and you know what -- >> he will say things he knows aren't true to build a straw man. >> but this is not a game. i don't need to tell you or lecture about you. people are worried about chemotherapy and saying these things that are not right. and we are trying to sort through what will work and won't work. so it's really disheartening. but let me bring you to another topic. listen to this, forget about the price tag. that's the name of the song that won the grand prize in the obama
care video contest. we're not joking. here it is. ♪ you're young and wild and free but you need to stay healthy there's no excuse to be uninsured ♪ ♪ just stop for a minute and sing take advantage of this opportunity ♪ ♪ keep your mind at ease and get some security don't need a lot of money money money ♪ ♪ to stay young and healthy healthy healthy we just want to make it more fair ♪ ♪ with affordable health care ain't about the ching ta ching or the bling ♪ ♪ affordable care act -- >> you know, karl this enranges me. i think about this playing in a tv in a radiation unit in a cancer ward and they have this big joke and contest and don't worry about the price tag.
>> don't worry about the price tag. i thought it was ironic that a young woman would be lecturing her peers. at the heart of the affordable care act is a provision called community rating which says that younger and healthier workers will pay a higher premium in order to subsidize the premiums by older less healthy people. she is saying don't care you are picking up a bigger tab in order to subsidize coverage for people who are older, less healthy. the second thing that got me on this was that this woman talked about fairness. this was -- it's all about being fair. well, look, it ought to be allowing people, giving people access to quality, affordable health care not about fairness. this mantra that some people
have too much and some people have too little and the purpose of zboft to take from them that have to give to them that don't. we're going to have free cell phones for some people and an increasing depends on government. when government decides is not fair and we are going to give it to people who have less than they ought to have. >> and i add to the aspect they cheapen the seriousness of this issue of people living in fear they are and worrying about medical things and hhs running a singing contest that is as guy as the guy in the bathtub with two glasses of wine. it just cheapens it. >> and look, i must admit i'm unsettled by the idea of the government organizations white house youth to collect young people in support of the white house and go out in a contest
using tax dollars in favor of a public policy that is obviously very divisive. just a little unsettling. what would have happened if in 2003, '04, '05, after '06 if the white house would have organized white house seniors dot org, a lot of the democrats would have been out there screaming and yelling saying is it an inappropriate thing to do. i understand we have to find ways to get -- the government wants to find ways to implement this program but this is a little bit -- >> i am fed up with how important it is to help people. we need to provide medical tear and spend a million on a piece of art for an embassy in london. do we need that when we need health care for people who are seriously ill and don't have money in this country?
i don't buy it when people tell me how important this is when they do stupid things like that. >> how about having a $650 billion website that doesn't work well and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to go to navigators, community groups, a lot of them on the left of american politics who have signed up very few people in some states have signed up zero people. many have signed up a handful of people and getting large amounts of money from the federal government for their help on this program. and you're right, this was not well thought out. and we are spending a lot of money to do things that don't allow people to get quality health care. >> karl, thank you. >> you bet, thank you. >> straight ahead, the knockout game strikes again. a man viciously and violently attacks while walking down the street. the victim tells the story next. the energy saved could light how many homes? 1 million?
now it's time to show you what we are watching. we have the most fantastic videos out there tonight. the "star trek" crew performing "let it snow". >> the weather outside is so frightful and since we've no place to go make it so, make it so, make it so. >> you heard right. the enterprise captain issuing
his command make it so. and you can see the video on gretawire.com. and talk about the elephant in the room. a heard of elephants going through a safari lodge. that he go through the lob request to get to a tree. the guests don't seem to mind. and coming up, a wisconsin man sucker punched on the street. he says he is the latest victim of the knockout gang. he tells his story next.
is speaking from his hospital bed. >> i have gone through a nightmare in the past several days. my left eye, today is the first i can see out of it. everything was just so swelled up that i couldn't see. >> the knockout assaults have been happening all over the country. for more on the latest attack, james causy is back with us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, how you doing? >> very well. his injuries are obviously horrible. can you tell me what happened to him? what time of day it was? >> well, yeah, this latest incident happened on monday night around 7:30. he was getting off the bus, the victim was getting off the bus and he was walking and noticed that there were four young men, teens, following him. so he attempted to cross the
street and he said that as soon as he turned to look back he was sucker punched and he immediately went down. they started raining punches down on him. he suffered a broken nose, some facial lacerations and he said he noticed them laughing when they were walking away. by all means it seems like it was part of this knockout game. >> besides the laughing which is a signature characteristic that we are seeing in the knockout game, there is often no robbery, nothing is taken from the person. was he robbed of anything or just a punch? >> no, he said he was just hit with a punch. he was not robbed but he has always feared being robbed which is a little different but the attack was unprovoked. he was just getting off the bus and heading home. so this was just a -- appeared to be just a vicious act.
>> anyone arrested? any security cameras catch this so we can corroborate or get the evidence on the people if they are caught? and do we know whether this was racial in any way? >> well, the suspects are believed to be african-american. you can see the victim is white. no one is in custody but i'm glad that he is coming forward and talking about this. by talking about what happened, maybe they will talk about it. maybe the people who participated in this will tell others and hopefully they can be brought to justice. there is another element to this. it's the fear element. i don't want people to think that this is something that people should fear all black youth. i believe that these cases, although we hear a lot of them and they have been going on for quite some time, this is not
something that all black youth are doing. a majority of our youth, overwhelming majority of our youth do the right thing all the time. but some act out like this and they should be brought to justice. >> and i just want to reiterate it's not all black youth at all but is it a game that has attracted some bad black youth who are doing this. although there were reports of hispanics in new york. this is something we have to stop across the board. james, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up we'll follow the news breaking around the world. the death of former south african president, nelson mandela. hi, i'm terry and i have diabetic nerve pain.
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this is a fox news alert. we are learning more about the death of former south african president nelson mandela. the antiapartheid leaderge of 9 a for the latest we go to paul who is live in south africa. paul? >> yes, indeed. thank you, greta. hundreds, some of >> yes, indeed. hundreds are gathered outside de
his johannesburg home and more in soweto outside his humble home there.ol they are singing his name and de holdingmo up the south african flag, the flag of freedom and democracy he brought to this nation. there are hundreds of candles op but there is dancing going on too. people of all colors and all hi ages in shock but celebrating his life. a young woman here said it's ar powerful how we're all coming o together. another young man said to us hi that we have lost everything. inside the house it's widely believed that the elders from a the rural area he comes from are going through the ancient african ritual surrounding his death specifically the closing of the eyes. many say is it a strangely goodp moment to be in south africa. it's a time when the nation cann
drop its political squabbles an celebrate the man who brought freedom and democracy to us alls in this country. this country of south africa has lost its father. but south africans are celebrating this man who turned freedom into a 's reality. >> most south africans it's the middle of the night there and i they have'm not heard. >>we could you repeat that? >> most south africans haven't t heard about this yet. >> that's correct. it's in the middle of the nighti and coming up to 2:00 in the morning. but it's surprising. it's a uniquely south african trait that people have come out in the hundreds and thousands. >> paul, thank you very much. and now let's go off the record a minute. two hours ago we were thinking
about something else and de suddenlynt the news of presiden mende mandela's death.di tonight the world gripped with . sadness. a great man has died.as not just of south africa but of the world. he was the real deal.y he set personal standards of dignity that the rest of us can only dream of achieving. he was in prison for 27 years and on his release he was not ra bitter or blaming. and with his courage he stood up and inspired the people of the world and led the people of a south africa out of their legacy of apartheid.anne he changed south africa and changed up. his moral courage was awesome. weti knew his death was inevitable. but it is hard to believe.r. you hope the great ones will live forever.re thanks for being with us. join us tomorrow night and go to
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