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g to "the factor." remember the spin stops here cause we're looking out for you. welcome to a "the kelly file" special everybody. taking on terror is the name of this evening. i'm martha maccallum in more megyn kelly. in the aftermath of jihadists going on a terror rampage in paris and with the threat of similar attacks looming large here in the united states, there's one key question that's gone largely unanswered. what is america's strategy for fighting all of this? [ inaudible ] >> chilling words after the killings in paris focusing attention like a laser on how
violent radical islam seems to be on the rise around the world. so how is america fighting back? that's the question. in the next hour we will investigate this. how has the white house responded to this recent rash of terrorism? how are other countries around the world reacting to this and how are they handingling it? and what is the danger of another attack here at home? we're going to be joined by retired four-star general jack keane, former assistant secretary rob -- but first let's begin tonight with trace gallagher on what america and the world is facing today. trace. >> martha, since the u.s.-led air strikes began against isis in syria and iraq terrorist groups have amplified their calls for lone wolf attacks against western targets. and security experts readily acknowledge that radicalized individuals are becoming more prevalent and more difficult to monitor. for example, long before the
attacks against the french newspaper "charlie hebdo," the terrorist killer said and cherif kouachi were well-known to french authorities. but those same authorities later admitted they couldn't watch the brothers more closely because france simply has too many jihadists. and france is far from the only breeding ground for radical sympathizers. back in october canada was hit with two lone wolf attacks the first by a 25-year-old man who used his car to run down two canadian soldiers killing one. the suspect was a well-known radical muslim who posted islamic rants and the isis flag on his facebook page, just days later another convert to islam with a criminal history shot and killed a ceremonial guard on canada's parliament hill. listen. >> everybody was just in shock. couldn't believe that something like this could just happen or be real. it was beyond realism. >> the gunmen then died in a
shootout in the halls of parliament with the canadian prime minister stephen harper just one door away from the shooting. a day later in new york city a man pulled a hatchet on four rookie police officers striking one officer in the arm another in the back of the head. both officers survived. the suspect was shot and killed but his facebook page had some very telling comments about his support for home grown terrorism saying quoting here helicopters, big military will be useless on their own soil. they will not be able to defeat our people if we use guerilla warfare. attack their weak flanks. if you get wounded who cares. if you die, who cares. eventually they will surrender and then the war will be over. in december home grown terror also struck down under when a man who pledged his allegiance to abu bakr, the leader of the islamic state held hostages and killed a cafe manager. the same terrorist had earlier
sent horrifying letters to the families of australian soldiers who were killed overseas. and of course isis has told its followers to find the names and addresses of u.s. soldiers and kill them. martha. >> trace, thank you. joining us now general jack keane, retired four-star general, former army vice chief of staff chairman of the institute for the study of war and fox news military analyst. general, good to have you here this evening. this is the big question we want to answer. what is the united states strategy to take on this global threat that exists in all these forms with a common purpose? >> well, sadly to say we don't have a strategy to cope with it. and as the intro implies and as you're leading up to in my belief this is radical islam is the global security challenge of our generation. as much as naziism for 20 years
in the middle of the last century and communism was for 40 years in the latter part of the 20th century but this challenge with radical islam martha we've been at it now for 20 years. it began with the world trade center in the early '90s, the u.s.s. cole, 9/11 and all the things happening since. and after 20 years martha, the facts are that radical islam is on the rise. it has quadrupled four times over in the middle east in africa and on the rise inout asia. and they are motivating sympathizers and radical islamist in western countries to attack their home populations and things of interest. >> some say we created it. that the war's not in iraq and afghanistan and the situation at abu ghraib and other places is what prompted this radicalism. do you believe that? >> that is absolute rubbish. this is a geopolitical movement driven by ideology. and their readings tell us what
their objectives are. their objectives are to dominate and control muslim lands, caliphate is a good word for it. all muslim lands. and then eventually to dominate and control the world. the ideology and geopolitical ambitions are as great as communism. what's different about it is they use jihad or the ability to kill innocents or non-believers to accomplish those objectives. so the facts that 9/11 occurred and we responded to that and somehow that has created this movement, or grew this movement more rapidly, makes no sense whatsoever. it's another failure to understand what is this geopolitical movement that is driven by radical islamist ideology. our leaders do not explain that to us. we do not get educated about what this is. and therefore they're off the hook in terms of providing a
comprehensive strategy to deal with it. >> that's a good point because you talked about communism and we all remember ronald reagan and gorbachev and margaret thatcher bringing that to an end. and we remember of course in world war ii with roosevelt and churchill and the bigger theme that existed to end it. and it doesn't seem that we have that kind of leadership and understanding of a global threat in this way at this point from this current administration. >> what makes this movement as dangerous as it is, you know, certainly 17 deaths in a barbaric way they go about doing that and the beheadings that's taken place in syria and the 2,000 deaths we just observed in nigeria, outrageous behavior by boko haram, but here's what make ths so dangerous to the entire world. it is a fact and we have established this from getting into the al qaeda and radical islamic treasures of information and exchanges that they've had we know that one of the major
underpinnings of the movement is to acquire weapons of mass destruction. and if they were able to acquire dirty bombs small nuclear weapons, is there any doubt in anyone's mind that they would try to use that to maximum advantage in great population centers in the world? so this is a dangerous movement. and it's growing. and we do not have the kind of 20th century leadership that was exercised by america and then it's allies and coalition partners to deal with this growing menace. >> scary situation. general keane thank you very much. good to have you here as always. >> good talking to you martha. >> so in the wake of these terrorist attacks that we witnessed in paris, the white house hosting a "summit on countering violent extremism" is going to be the name of it. but the administration steadfast steadfastly refuses to focus the summit on radical islamic extremism insisting it will need to cover multiple types of extremism that they are concerned about whachlt are the
names of them? the state department could not label any of those for us the other night. larry korb joins us now. larry, good to see you tonight. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> so you just heard general jack keane talk about what he sees as an abysmal lack of leadership in terms of recognizing this global threat that exists and having a cohesive strategy to tackle it. what do you think? >> well, first of all you're never going to win it militarily because you're dealing with an ideology. and what you have to do is convince people that what these radicals are preaching is not the future of muslim. and that's why you got to engage the leaders in the muslim world. i think militarily this administration is doing it correctly. the previous administration overreacted. for example, al qaeda in iraq
didn't exist until we went there. right now when we're fighting isis in the middle east we have a great number of muslim allies including saudi arabia, united arab emirates. and we've got our european partners. >> al qaeda existed, not al qaeda in iraq, existed on september 11th it was the force that attacked us. these groups have moved to different areas, different areas that have become available to them. the argument that didn't exist i don't understand quite frankly. when you look at the -- i guess my question is what would you do specifically? because what we're doing has not worked. it's been growing and growing and growing. >> no. again, i would disagree with you in terms of al qaeda. for example, the leader of isis was somebody we captured in iraq, put in a prison and he became radicalized.
that helped us spread the movement. >> so we're creating all of these radicals who want to kill people in all these different countries? is that your argument? >> no, we're creating them by things we've done. you mentioned in talking about general keane with abu ghraib -- we were correct to go into afghanistan. everybody agreed with that. nato supported it. the iranians supported us there. when we went into afghanistan, iraq was something completely different. and now if you're taking a look at what we're doing, al awlaki was killed -- >> we have thousands of people dying every day at the hands of boko haram, at the hands of aqap, at the hands of all of these organizations. whatever we've been doing, larry, it is clearly not working. >> well, first of all we the united states are not threatened by all of these groups. we have to decide who threatens us.
and we can solve it by ourselves. as i say we're doing it right now when we went into iraq we went in just essentially by ourselves. we did not get u.n. authorization. >> we have to end there, larry. thank you, i appreciate your thoughts. good to have you here. we have dire warnings tonight from a man once deep inside al qaeda before becoming a double agent. see why he thinks we're missing the truly frightening point of these recent terror attacks. plus, the council on american islamic relations accused the american media of playing into the hands of the terrorists. up next the press, our political leaders and the threat from radical islam. battles against islamic extremism. why is that so hard to say? >> well, it's not hard to say, but it's not the only type of extremism we face. >> tell me what other for
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take time for sunday. just know that your truck... has a little thing for monday. they've all said quite clearly that the battle's against islamic extremism. why is that so hard to say? >> well, it's not hard to say but it's not the only kind of extremism we face. much of it islamic, you're right, but it's not all. we're going to focus on the people who do this in the -- >> that was marie harf repeating an argument that's been heard repeatedly from the obama
administration, not all extremism is islamic and any evidence perpetuated who call themselves muslims is a twisted version of a peaceful faith even if they claim their murders are "avenging the prophet muhammad" which we saw clearly in the horrific tape from paris. [ inaudible ] >> the author of "in the land of invisible women." doctor, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you martha. >> what's your reaction when you hear those men on the street? >> you know, both segments are very distressing, one of course of the jihadists executing somebody in the name of my prophet, the holy prophet muhammad, but also the absolute tongue-tied nature of u.s. discourse about this problem. and i think i can explain that for us.
i would use the word islamist to describe all these acts. islam, i understand and agree with the administration does not advocate this kind of behavior that we've seen in france. but islamism which borrows and steals metaphors language image from my religion and is explicitly totalitarianism does support the acts, when i will do not represent my belief claim to act in what they believe is a religion. this is actually politicized totalitarian ideology. the american's discomfort is they do not want to use the word islam or islamic, and i understand that. i empathize with it. but this radicalization or totalitarian ideology is completely derived and distorted out of our beliefs. so you can say it is separate, but it is not without a relationship. the two are together but interrelated and apart. we're living in very complicated
times. and there are no simple answers to these complex questions. but seeing the white house representative not being able to say or other deputy spokespersons not being able to say this makes me feel we can't even name the beast we're facing. >> you know, when you listen to what el sisi has said in egypt. >> yes. >> where he talks about how outraged he is about the destructive nature of what's going on in the name of islam and he calls it out very clearly, i was also watching the mayor of rotter dam in the netherlands and he used very strong language to talk about if you're not happy with freedom, then you need to find another country. he is very outraged. and they're so clear in how they're looking at it and what they're saying to people who are of the muslim faith who are peaceful. they need to react. and that they need to respond. you know, what's your take on that? >> i'm so glad that you've brought that up. and i think president sisi's invocation was to extract this
ideology that has contaminated islam but does originate and get legitimized by clerics all over the world. and he was appealing to their authority to separate it. i've written about this in tomorrow morning spectator in an article called let there be light. it's time we examined the relationship of this ideology to islam. and that examination is something we are shying away from in the united states because of our administration's lead. >> what about the -- i questioned the state department spokeswoman on the thread that exists between all of these horrific acts when you stack them up, when you look at hamas when you look at boko haram, these different organizations and what they have done, are we making a mistake if we don't see a thread in their motivation? >> no i think that's the correct approach. and i would disagree with ms. harf about that because the common thread is not the nationality or geography or even the method of assault on secular pluralistic values it is the ideology which is islamism.
and very important for our viewers to understand islamism can be violent exactly as we've seen. "charlie hebdo," the attack there was the most explicit war on secular values we have seen to date. it's actually attacking the core freedom of speech freedom of self-expression and personal identity. boko haram is going about in other jihadist acts for the ideology they've inspired is very similar and has to be named as we are going to approach it. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, martha. >> i will look for your article as it comes out. good to speak with you. >> thank you for having this very different and radioactive discussion most people don't want to approach. >> thank you, good to have you here. we also have new developments in the controversy over closing guantanamo bay and whether some of the detainees leaving the camp could soon come back to haunt us. you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together.
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. so the obama administration is under new fire for its efforts to close down guantanamo bay's detention center. this as we now learn more detainees have been released since the midterm elections than in the past three years combined. take a listen to what new hampshire senator said this past week on "the kelly file." >> detainees that are being released by the administration, many of them are designated high risk, that means high risk for re-engagement for terrorism. that's where the focus needs to be, not in the president trying to fulfill a campaign promise. >> joining me now former federal prosecutor andrew mccarthy. is she right? >> she's absolutely right. what obama is doing is trying to fulfill the promise he made at the first day of his administration which is to close guantanamo bay. congress won't let him do it
through the front door, so he's letting the terrorists out the back door. >> there were numbers released by the state department today said the recidivism rate is in the single digits, which i found surprising given the fact the numbers we've seen in the past have been closer to 30%-something, correct? >> i've always found this to be a very foolish endeavor they do with the recidivism. first of all, it's a criminal justice concept. and let's say the recidivism rate in the criminal justice system is 45% and for terrorists it's 20%, which is what they used to say, like one in five. terrorists are mass murderers. it's not like you let them out again they're going to rob a bank, they kill thousands of people. the fact of the matter is in the places where these guys go back we don't have good intelligence. and unless you encounter someone on the battlefield or have certain knowledge of what he's actually doing which we've often done, we don't know who's gone back to jihadist activity and who hasn't. >> and imagine if it's 6%, 2%
it doesn't really matter. because the kinds of acts that we're looking at are so heinous in nature that 2% or 3% of these folks can pull off something is too many. >> 19 people committing one to take this to a ten-year war, a 12-year war. >> so in terms of the legality and how it works with congress, can he do it? can the president continue through attrition to close down guantanamo bay by letting people out pittering on? >> the fact is the commander in chief under our institution is responsible for the disposition of enemy combatants in wartime. they can't prevent him from doing it by making it illegal to do it. and i think the remedies that are in the constitution to address this are places they don't want to go like impeachment. >> we don't know what happened to the five released -- they were supposed to be in the oven but the rules were pretty loosey goosey, right? >> replenished the enemy while
the enemy is conducting operations against our soldiers and our people. >> a ton of people in this country will be so excited that the 140 something people at guantanamo bay have been released. is that a major issue for people they think? >> i think it's a major issue that they not be released. and while they're not a great deal of people, they're the people he listens to. >> andrew mccarthy, thank you very much. good to see you as always. not the only one causing concerns about future attacks. up next we'll speak with a former islamic terrorist who ended up abandoning his faith and went to work for the government. listen to how al qaeda is now operating. >> yeah, yeah. >> but he knows about your work. want to know how hard it can be... ...to breathe with copd? it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled...
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a new warning on the spread of so-called al qaeda sleeper cells after the recent attacks we'd seen in france. a former al qaeda insider who later became a double agent is suggesting this problem could get a whole lot worse. morten storm grew up in denmark but after a teenage life filled with crime he discovered a new identity in radical islam. he adapted all aspects of the muslim he flew to yemen and tried to join up with fellow jihadists. his mission was eventually canceled. he later discovered some serious contradictions in the quran. he renounced his faith becoming a double agent for european intelligence services and working for the cia as well. he had become such a trusted friend of al awlaki that he was task with finding him a wife.
he mentions a trusted brother who is in fact this double agent. >> -- and the brother who's carrying this recording is a trustworthy brother. >> amazing right? some point after al awlaki's death storm's true identity was discovered in an isis video. just last year militants can be seen firing at a picture of him. he says the secret recording he made during an alleged meeting with his u.s. counterparts reveals the true extent of his mission. >> i'm helping the united states. i'm not talking about alex and george. i'm talking about the president of the united states. but he knows about your work. >> okay. >> so the right people know your contributions. >> yeah. >> and for that we are thankful. >> yeah.
>> morten storm is the co-author of "agent storm," a memoir on how he was a double agent inside al qaeda in yemen and how he led the cia to al qaeda leader anwar al awlaki. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you very much ma'am. thank you. >> your story is extraordinary. and you have an insight into this situation that very few people can bring to the table. so as you look at what has happened over the course of this last week, what does it tell you about what could be coming next? >> it looks very, very pessimistic for me. unfortunately we have seen the sleeping cells waking up now. there e are absolutely more out there, al qaeda and isis have -- and they have even claimed responsibility from yemen. the threats have not only been threats anymore. they're actually a reality. they will continue. >> you talk about the fact that, you know, aqap and isis were
combined in this particular attack because we know that the man who did the attack at the supermarket claimed allegiance to isis and the other two to aqap. how unusual is that and what does it signal? >> well, it signals that it's a bad signal to be honest. it's the worst case scenario. that if these two groups in spite of having differences back home, you know in spite of having those differences be able to cooperate in foreign missions with unfortunately horrific attack, you know. yeah. >> you talk about your connection to al awlaki, and clearly the two brothers, the kouachi brothers revered him. and he was responsible in many ways for sort of the social media marketing of al qaeda and the outreach since he was born in the united states to so many
operatives that spoke english and had passports. but it took years because he was killed in 2011 i believe it took years for them to actually carry this out. so they are patient. and they have long-term plans do they not? >> yes, of course. these people will be very patient to achieve the goals. i mean they are that determined that they are ready to give up their own lives. this is an enemy who will give up at no cost. so they have managed to be sleeping all this time until preparation has been made ready for them to take out their weapons and you see what happens. not only that to attack the freedom of speech. >> i want to play for you a bit of sound from a news conference at the state department that deals with how easy it is to move around the world with a passport regardless of your affiliations. listen to this please. >> if you go on a watch list you don't necessarily lose your
passport, is that right? >> correct. >> but it doesn't simply being a member of a designated foreign terrorist organization isn't grounds -- >> does not automatically mean your passport will be revoked, that is correct. >> so there's no rule -- or there's no regulation that says if you are a member of al qaeda or isis that you lose your passport? >> correct. >> what do you think about that, morten? >> i totally agree with the gentleman. this is the problem. if there are very strong suspicions and indications that these people are affiliated with terrorists either inside the country abroad, you know the citizenships or passports will be withdrawn for them. >> when you look at your own history and you look at the history of these young men, the kouachi brothers and others that sort of fit a profile of somebody who is educated but who hasn't been able to make it for one reason or another wanted to be a rapper at one point, i think about the boston marathon
bomber who was a boxer and ended up going back to chechnya and pulling off the attack we saw in boston. what worries you about this profile? and how many people there might be like that out there who would be susceptible to being sucked in? >> yeah. see, that's the problem. many people think that you only become an isis member or al qaeda member by traveling to join the ranks. but the problem is that is an ideology, it's a faith it's a way of practicing islam. and that we can have many individuals, hundreds of them thousands of them in our own countries. and some of them would not want other people to know the hidden agendas. and they are the one who is become the lone wolves, as you know. we have seen that in canada, we have seen that in other places in europe. >> morten storm thank you very much. extraordinary story you have. and we thank you for being here tonight. good to speak with you. >> thank you, ma'am. thank you so much, ma'am.
thank you. >> the prime minister of israel is sharing a warning for the world about what he calls the strikes yet to come up. up next we'll talk to israel's ambassador to the united states about what that message meant and the hard lessons israel has been learning in fighting its own war on terror. ♪ nice! gr-reat! a shot like that... calls for a post-game celebration. share what you love with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're gr-r-reat!
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civilians." the terror group naming the united states, france, australia and canada as their targets. trace gallagher reports. trace. >> martha, it's very clear the internet and social media has helped to create a lone wolf terror problem in the u.s. and other western countries. how to fight the problem is now a constant point of discussion and debate with some republican lawmakers pushing for legislation that would strip passports and citizenship from any american who joins or trains with a terrorist organization. but experts say an equally pressing concern deals with radicalized followers who never leave the u.s. just this week in ohio an isis social media follower was arrested for plotting to attack the u.s. capitol. authorities say the 20-year-old suspect wanted to set off a series of bombs and then shoot lawmakers as they fled their offices. officials say the man not only posted sentiments -- statements rather and video pledging his support for isis but had done reconnaissance on targets and was in the final stages of his
plan. and isis continues to reiterate online threats about what it believes are legitimate targets in the u.s. here's new york deputy police commissioner john miller. listen. >> civilians but also police officers, intelligence officers and soldiers were all targets, legitimate targets according to isil. and that they were asking their followers wherever they were for them to carry out those threats with whatever means they had available. >> and federal authorities are now ordering random searches of travelers and carryon bags after the latest issue of al qaeda's inspire magazine provided a detailed guide to making bombs that can get through security. saying the bombs could be made from stuff that's already in your mom's kitchen. martha. >> thank you, trace. well, israel's prime minister visited the kosher supermarket in paris where four jewish
customers were shot in the french terror attacks. and afterwards he shared a warning with the world saying "the terror strikes that we have experienced here will grow to dimensions people do not yet understand." joining me now is israel's ambassador to the united states ron dermer. you say this is indeed a much broader struggle, correct? >> absolutely. and i think the most important thing in fighting against militant islam, it's not militant, it's not islam it's militant islam, it's important to understand all these groups that people may think have this or that local grievance, they're all fired by the same fanaticism, doesn't matter if it's boko haram -- >> but our state department denies that. >> i don't know if they deny it. maybe they choose to express themselves in a different way. i can only tell you hoi my prime minister sees the issue. we see all these groups as being connected. that doesn't mean that they're sitting in the same war room planning attacks. sometimes actually they fight each other. so boko haram in nigeria, hamas
in gaza isis in iraq and syria, hezbollah and lebanon iran and all the terror proxies throughout the region, they sometimes fight each other but definitely hate jews hate christians, hate america. and in their vision of the world there's no place for any of us. and actually there's no place for a lot of muslims who disagree. the muslims are the greatest victims of militant islam. >> you know when you look at what israel has known, the violence israel has known for so many years and that so many of us sort of grew up a whole generation watching that and feeling for the people of israel, do you believe that the rest of us are about to live in a world where we have to either get used to or get real about experiencing similar attacks like that all the time? >> yes absolutely. because it's one thing to have all of these radical preachers in suburbs of london and paris and brussels. it's quite another thing martha, to have trained killers coming back from a war theater and setting up terror cells.
and there are so many soft targets in europe and of course in the united states. and every democratic society has to find the right balance between protecting civil liberties, which is the heart of democracy, but also securing its citizens. and we in israel have had to find that balance. i think we've done a very good job of doing that for the last 66 years of our state living with threats faced by no other country on earth but remaining a liberal democratic and open society. >> i think a lot of people look at what's going on and think we are going to be in a world if we don't do something very dramatic very quickly where we have these kinds of attacks, where we have to sort of feel ourselves against the experience of going to the supermarket or going to work like the people at "charlie hebdo" and we saw here certainly on 9/11 as well. how -- i guess what advice do you have for making it as for making it as safe and livable as possible if this is the direction we're going and i hope not but what if. >> first of all identify the danger and take action tow meet
it. you have to have effective policing, you have to have effective intelligence. you have to pass laws that will effectively will have to deal with the problem. you have to wage a moral battle. you have to take a stand against terrorists. the last couple of days everyone has been talk abouting who wasn't at the rally. what concerned me is a couple of people who were. i saw president abass. he's in a government with hamas, a designated terror organization. i saw the prime minister of turkey at that rally and hamas, an organization who is a terror organization who calls for a murder of jews worldwide. they had their military headquarters in turkey. no one speaks out against it. >> i guess -- >> you center to stand together. >> some people will say they were there. they were there and that says something. we do have muslim leaders in the netherlands as well as in egypt.
starting to stand up and point the finger at the militant slammists in their own ranks. wouldn't it helped if president obama had been at the march. he could turn around to the leaders you mentioned and say i was there. you were there. we marched together. what did we march for when we marched together and hold them to account. >> the united states is leading the whole world in confronting al qaeda. they're leading the world in confronting isis. i have no doubt where the united states stands in trouble. i have no doubt where the president of egypt stands. we spoke out i think a courageous way in his own country against fundamentalism. something not that widely reported here in the united states. i have big doubts. i think that's great he's against terror. he has to be against terror even when jews are being killed. i have big doubts about turkey. having terrorists have military
headquarters in their country. on the other hand for the western audience saying they're standing with the united states and with the rest of the world in confronting terrorism. all the forces of civilization have to stand together. the united states, canada, france, germany, israel australia. all countries have to stand together to win the fight. >> thank you so much. good to have you here tonight. >> the new focus on isis and al qaeda may be distracting from another brutal terror army we have seen before. up next the disturbing new messages coming from boko haram and how their leader is trying to steal the spotlight after the attacks in paris.
another barbaric radical islamic army boko haram is also causing a lot of heartbreak. jennifer griffin joins us now with the latest. >> martha, with all eyes on terrorists, the head of boko haram tried to steal the spotlight praising the attack in france in a new video after slaughtering up to 2,000 people last week and capturing a key military base causing some to ask why after i am charlie the world is not saying i am baga. >> we are the american university of nigeria and we are situated in ground zero where all of this is taking place. we are essentially in boko haram's backyard. and we have a lot of american who is actually live there and teach there and have their families there. and so you cannot just leave us stranded like that. >> dr. lionel rollins has been invited to president obama's
extremism next month. the nigh jeern terrorists who kidnapped 200 schoolgirls last april has been on the move capturing 12 towns in the past six months. boko haram now controls more territory than isis. >> president obama has been able to draw forces into the iraq and syrian region to to be able to confront eye cyst. boko haram and it spread to northern nigeria. the continent of africa is equally at risk. >> competing for attention with isis and al qaeda boko haram sent a 10-year-old female suicide bomber into a market killing 16 people. >> we haven't seen boko haram focus beyond the region. >> this does not help the desire to come to the united states or to attack the united states yet. but just like everything else, it starts regional and like a cancer it spreads.
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