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and doing what you love. hi mom, dad... what'd you guys do today? the usual! ♪ osteo bi-flex, ready for action. >> it is a terrorist arm me and a savage march. who is isis. they provide conditions on the ground with supremacist of media. just this week they released shocking video they beheaded a japanese journalist and burned a jordanian pilot alive. what do we know about a man wearing a wrist watch who says he's the leader of isis. >> he has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> how he is using a former catholic school student from the boston area to spread propaganda. >> why do you think this mosque ends up attached to terrorism. >> isis controls the terrorism across kansas across iraq and
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syria. is there a strategy to defeat them. >> do you understand the strategy to beat? >> i think -- sounds like a strategy to me. >> they are the richest organization on earth. >> isis is hell on earth and the world continues to witness its true ali cruelty and viciousness. they made more than 15 trips to iraq where isis continues to gain ground. where else are they spreading? >> all over the worrell. we have isis elements in it the philippines working with abu saeff. we have them in west africa and yemen and south africa and all over the stands. they now proclaim they have people who defected from the taliban in afghanistan. it is not just what we are seeing constantly on the news and iraq and syria. it is literally spreading all over the sunni world. it is part of their effortal
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baghdadi is claimed himself to be the savior of sunni islam from the shiites. the shiites predominant in rowan. it is a thousand year war in which we are caught in the middle. they kill fellow sunnis like the jordanian pilot. it is the most brutal terrorism organization on planet earth. >> under line all of this, it is expanding. it is not in any way getting smaller or even staying as is. this is expanding. >> we heard after the murder of the jordanian pilots that quote maybe they had gone too far and this was going to turn people against them. it has probably turned my kingdom against them in jordan. it is a recruitment tool for the mass soing nis tick and vicious group of the people on earth. al baghdadly not only goes out and kills people. he also puts out proclamation of
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he is the answer to the expansionism of shi'ite islam. they use that stuff that horrific video. we have seen the rest of it most people have not that was broadcast all over the middle east all over africa, all over parts of south asia. they have seen that video and that's a recruitment tool for people to join their cause. >> let's take a listen. >> isis is the clearest terrorist group. >> in islamic history served in u.s. army as an arabic speaking specialist. >> unlike al qaeda they are focused on the near enemy. it is trying to create the largest caliphate it can particularly in arab middle east. it includes territory of syria and iraq. >> isis erased the border
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between the two countries. >> the islamic state bases the claim on two main things. the reading of the koran and hadiths the traditions go back to mohammed. >> they claim like alajji haddists they found the path of islam founder mohammed found the 11th state in the century. >> dr. bernard lewis is professor of eastern studies of princeton university. he's one of the world's foremost middle east scholars. >> they see islam as being invaded in part occupied by none muslims. >> they are led by self proclaimed leader 43-year-old abu bakr al-baghdadi. their goal to kill or drive out infidels in lands where islam reigned for centuries. >> the last caliphate was the ott monday was was established
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at the end of world war i. they think they are recreating that. in some ways they think their caliphate which is arab is more legitimate than the ott monday caliphate was which was turkish. isis clearly believes the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of sunni islam. any one who holds any other belief, even offensively muslim is deemed a her tick and liable to death or certainly exile. >> isis emerged from the terror group al qaeda in iraq o aqi. the predecessor after that was a group abual zarqawi started. >> during operation iraqi freedom zarqawi became the head of aqi battling coalition forces in the streets of fallujah ramadi. >> isis has been able to eclipse al qaeda primarily by the fact
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they rule a state they are not hiding in caves in the margins of the islamic world. a lot of fellas who fought jihad some afghanistan many the armed forces iraq government forces in iraq and government forces of bish char in syria. when you put all of these together and add those to the fact that the united states has not been there in any force for several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is now estimated to have more than 30,000 fighters from 70 countries. the way they achieve their goals is horrific. >> when isis takes over a sunni territory it imposes strict islamic law, sharia such adds amputations for stealing, crucifixions as we know beheadings. isis clearly refers to the two different passages in the koran. they refer to the beheading of unbelievers on the battlefield. >> all indications show many if
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not all isis fighters have a fanatical belief in fighting to the death. they have in many ways an apocalyptic viewpoint. isis clearly is talking about end of time battles, armageddon type battles. >> isis is still on the quest to establish a caliphate. now using the 21st century technology to terrorize. let's bring in katherine herridge. using time production with all of the videos. >> the social media has become the life blood of the new digital jihad. it is like pouring gasoline on the fire of self radicalization the video showing the execution of the jordanian pilot takes it to another level. it's 22 minutes long. it has multi layers of video, audio and then the final scene at the execution and it has i
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don't know if you would agree with me almost a video game feel to it. >> little video game stuff. >> one of the things they decided to do is to attract not just your average camel hurter. they are looking to get into their organization as a part of it, relatively well educated people who are technologically aware. they can pick up and do things with a blackberry or iphone or one of those devices and see essentially the history that is being made by this organization. >> coming up how they are using yelp reviews earthquakes and naked celebrities to recruit members to the battlefield. battlefield
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>> how is isis combining vicious murders with social media savvy like we have never seen before? here is katherine herridge. >> to understand isis and a terrorist army you have to look at how propaganda has evolved since 9-11 with social media. the attacks used 19 men and four hijacked airplanes to kill more than 3,000 people in new york city, the pentagon and in shanksville, pennsylvania. >> we have been travelling around the united states. >> from southern california it was adam cass san who emerged as the english speaking spokes concern for osama bin laden. >> they are the ones to start the dirty war they will be the ones to end it. >> fox news reported it was this dual citizen of yemen and
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america who was invited at the luncheon desk at the white house he turned operational. fox news reported on the cleric for years. >> with the command offer english, arabic and the internet u.s. citizen anwar al-awlaki the attempt by the underwear bomber the thwarted attacks of fort 6 and fort hood which killed 13. >> awlaki was killed in yemen in 2011 by a predator hell fire missile. he lives on through abdullah shay. even after serving time in prison for his actions on behalf of awlaki he recently announced his support for caliphate press to nearly 10,000 followers on twitter. he also tweeted this photo of himself with awlaki. isis has taken social media to a whole new level. >> isis uses all flat storm --
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platforms everything from facebook to twitter to yelp restaurant recommendations in syria. because they use all of these different platforms they get a lot of access to the younger set. >> richard reynolds is a retired army officer who spent half of his career in the middle east investigating terrorists. >> we see 125 different languages using isis or isis accounts. >> people may not have phones or jobs or cars but they have a phone. >> isis has media centers. >> seems to me like isis has an rapid response team. they have their message up where old style al qaeda can take weeks to respond. >> they use a sophisticated media center based on strong hold in syria.
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>> the media center in syria this is a digital network. it is almost like a tv station if you will. they have the ability to move cameras, lighting, sound into an os tier situation do it without being hole led nobody is dropping bombs on them or observing it over head. move to the media center and still use it on the web. they have the capability to use the equipment and do it. >> did it look to you like they have a team of professional training? >> yes. >> maybe former jurnl lists? >> maybe former journalists there is some suspicion people in the music industry is helping them with music and sound maybe with executions. >> it's media guru is believed
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to be the 33-year-old in the boston area now on the fbi most wanted terrorist list. >> they appeal to multiple language platforms. >> this is what isis is doing on-line now. >> see them taking hash tags and sending out their material. >> they are looking at what's trending in the u.s. then they are hijacking that. they are doing that with celebrity pictures. >> how quickly can some kid in st. louis make a decision make contact make a decision and go to syria? >> days, hours. we will see someone who will read the social media entry it resinates with them they go outtake their mom and dad's credit card buy an airplane ticket and fly off to jordan or
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lebanon. >> the director of homeland security at george washington university. he's an expert on homeland securityish oo yous. why do you think he had been killed much earlier almost a month earlier? >> it is propaganda. at the end of the day i don't think there was a legitimate attempt to negotiate or even try to raise the random. this is propaganda. it was primarily aimed probably to raise some of the voices to over throw king abdullah in jordan. looks like it may have blown back and had the opposite net effect similar to the bombing at a jordanian wedding he turned some of the islamists against the jordanians. i hope this is the same case here. >> i don't get it with the twitter universe and everything else why didn't they just wait? >> rebellion thing about social media is isis can use it to their advantage but it also works against some.
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it works against some in a subtle way with the jordanian pilot. we reviewed jordanian traffic at the end of december and it describes how the pilot was sited in the strong hold of syria being paraded through the streets in the cage. there was another piece of twitter traffic towards the end of january the 23rd that said the japanese hostages they are already dead. the video is on its way to production. these were all clues that in fact the hostages were dead and isis was not negotiating in good faith. >> they never intended to. >> it was going gus in t-- bogu from the beginning. >> wanted them to pick it out at a specific time. that's what they did. they released it when they were ready to do so. >> frank, i think there's an element it has to be flown back from jordan. i am not sure there's blow back around the rest of the world. the universe with 120 different
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languages they do sub titles and chyrons. people in abu saeff right now between indonesia and the philippines are now motivated to go to something like that on their own. not that they are going to coordinate it but they are inspiring people to go out and commit these are the kinds of actses. if you are on the winning side we can do this kind of thing and infidels and apostates and her ticks dant do anything to stop us. >> at the end of the day they are escalating. at the end of the day think of spammers. you could send a million. >> on capitol hill the view is whatever happens next this episode has really raised the stakes for western hostages. >> coming up we investigate the cold calculated elusive leader of isis. there are some surprises that's next. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks]
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>> who is the leader of isis. here's what we know about the vicious al baghdadi. (speaking foreign language) >> little is known about america's most wanted terrorist. 43-year-old abu bakr al baghdadi. he h he had a bounty on hi head. he made a rare appearance in mosul iraq wearing an expensive watch he cleans his teeth before
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speaking. he went on a 15-minute rant. (speaking foreign language) >> abu bakr al baghdadi claimed himself two different terms which means successor to mohammed. >> when it was posted on-line it was the first time many followers had ever laid eyes on him. (speaking foreign language) >> al baghdadi was known by other names,al sam mari from that part of iraq. he's an islamic scholar. there are scholars who ridiculed his credentials. >> he has been a shadowy presence for a long time. >> as a u.s. army intelligence officer kevin carol served three
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tours in iraq and afghanistan. he was a cia case officer in the middle east. >> there were questions add to whether or not he existed. he was sometimes confused by high value target that led al qaeda and iraq who was killed. he has been in the battle of fallujah where they named al qaeda hamlet of fallujah in 2004 and 2005. he is in u.s. custody in iraq from 2005 to 2009. the prison camp was named after a new york city fire marshal killed on 9-11. >> consistent with the drawdown forces and authorities he was improperly let go out of custody in 2009. details are sketchy about what happened next. >> we know al qaeda has a great amount of autonomy within the camps in iraq. they kept their command structure they were still
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ordering and plantining attacks from inside custody. >> baghdadi climbed the ranks of al qaeda in the back. they named this em selves isis. >> he clearly leap frogged ahead of al qaeda by going ahead and declaring a territorial state something that has in many ways empowered isis the islamic state to lay claim to being the chief terrorist organization in the world. >> i am back with the panel. why don't we know more about baghdadi? why can't we get more information about it we know we want him and know we want the information. what's the problem? >> three times now he has been forecast to have been killed. twice forecasted to been wounded. turns out none of that may be. certainly he is not bed he is still wounded he's getting around. we have zero human, rue man intelligence does not exist.
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>> they need their heads in agreement. >> peas people have lurned how to dress. >> we systematically minded s ourselves we don't have our own eyes and ears on the ground any more. we became sri rely p ant. this administration hadz gotten out of the interrogation business they have gotten into business with killing operatives with drones. you have that intelligence vacuum as well. >> these are hard targets as colonel north ak sen rated we are lacking human intelligence. while we have other means to collect on these targets they are evading our various counter measures in part because of the weeks inside of our own government and in part there are a lot of ted terroris -- dead terrorists learning from their mistakes. it will be a bit of a cat and
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mouse we need all sorts but it will be the human source behind the human making chain. >> based on the situations sadam hussein was to have a series of look alikes. i wouldn't be surprised. >> there's a $10 million bounty on his head. >> you get your 10 million where do you spend it? what's the incentive? >> what's the incentive for us to get someone break bad on his side? >> ultimately his pred sewsor is fingered by one who wanted to collect the bounty on zarqawi. we went to u.s. forces group and they plotted where he was. he was hit by missile but it was human intelligence. it was a hasn't man tell vision
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source that says that's him>> bin laden was the doctor. >> katherine said we are also being spoofed. spoofing is a false message. they got zarqawi or they got baghdadi. or they got. many times they are putting out things that are not true to see if we are picking up and how we react to them. >> closer look at the isis media wing which has american roots. jack's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today, his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before your begin an aspirin regimen.
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>> live from america's news headquarters i am kelly wright. good evening. the northeast braces for another round of heavy snow. as much as 2 feet in some areas. snow is falling in the region. winter storm warnings are up for tuesday in central new york, western catskills and much of
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new england. boston's mayor has already canceled school for monday and tuesday. commuters are likely to have problems in some areas. forecasters say the snow won't accumulate as fast as it did during this janua-- the january. prices going up the past two weeks ending the period of falling prices. average gas going up $0.13 average 2.30 a gallon. still the average price per gallon is 1.10 cents lower than it was one year ago. >> back to greta investigates isis. >> so who is one of the pr gurus of isis? correspondent jenkins to find out a man from boston. >> he should be considered to be
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armed and dangerous. he is a threat to the nation. >> he was special agent involved in the boston bombing situation. he put a school boy on the fbi most wanted terrorist list. >> these are individuals who reside in the united states who are radicalized on their own often times through access to on-line jihad materials. >> is abousamria the head of the campaign. until he was killed by a drone in yemen samir khan ran the slick al qaeda on-line magazine "inspire." now it has its own american pr guru abousamra. >> in the neighborhood not too far away from where the patriots play football. >> an educated end chronologist since harold reporter. >> he went to a catholic school not too far away.
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he comes over here for his senior year. we don't know why he left but we know he graduated here in stoughton. >> the principal said he didn't seem to be out of the ordinary too much. >> he studied computer science. during this time period authorities believe he became fully radicalized. he and his wouannabe jihaddy friends looked at their options. >> they started to hate america. >> he traveled to overseas on several occasions. first was in april of 2002 when he traveled to pakistan for the purposes of seeking outer rist training. >> they failed in the first attempt so they returned to the u.s. to try to kill at home. according to these records he and associates plotted an attack on civilians in a shopping mall.
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they also conspired to assassinate then national security advisor condoleezza rice and attorney general john ashcroft. again they failed. >> on or about february 14th, 2004, they traveled to the fallujah area of iraq. there he may have made an important connection. >> he was there at the same timal baghdadi was in jewfalluj. >> at least 8 new terrorists attended this cambridge mosque a point the mosque denies. >> is there any information you can give us about this guy abu samra? >> i can't. >> you don't remember seeing him? >> why do you think this mosque keeps ending up attached to terrorism? >> nobody knows. this is a mosque. everybody is welcome. >> after his jihad tour he
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returns home to boston and ends at you mass and they began producing violent propaganda videos and translating on-line messages from bin laden's inner circle. >> the fbi investigated and spoke with him as well as bohada. >> they would have code words for peanut butter and jelly. >> what are you doing? >> right now i am in culinary school making peanut butter and jelly. >> in 2012 tear reck hahana was convicted and is now serving 17 years. he refused our request for an interview. >> in 2013 he was elevated to the fbi most wanted terrorist list. >> this is the real deal. he knows a lot and they want him and if he is found anywhere on the planet they are going to grab him.
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>> we tried to track down his father who moved to detroit after his son flood boston. neighbors told griff they moo believe the doctor moved to syria. >> once again we hear about american links to isis. dual passports seem to be the key. why are we having the dual passport problem? >> for a long time foreign fighters have been a challenge. these are westerners fighting overseas and jihadi conflict jon zones. we have 150 along side isis and other jihadist organizations in iraq and syria. we have seen it in the past and the afghan and pakistan in terms of the fatah region as well as yemen and somalia. nowhere to the scale or scope we are seeing today. >> 20,000 people. >> the difference is that because of social media and facebook and all of these other vehicles people can make contact and within a matter of days based on our reporting can go from ohio to the front lines in
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syria. we have spoke with a former member of the u.s. military. he went to the region in four-days he got over there and he said, once he was there all of his skills were vetted to figure out kind of which pot he was serve the best in like technological skills military skills. he was there to fight against isis. he said the same pattern was being done by the terror group. >> not so much the ohio to syria i worry more about the syria coming back to ohio. what are we doing about that? >> given the technology we have today seems we would have a way to identify turk de disappeared and flew back from turkey. we have found out where they were. >> that was after the fact. they are not where they need to be and where are we going?
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>> you couldn't we know whwho t theirs. this guy because a turkey and i asked him what were you doing? he han under surveillance by russia. >> somebody is dropping the ball. >> facilitating and keeping track of terrorist travel is an area that our community is trying to get its arms around. for years there were negotiated issue pnr. the europeans didn't want to maintain that data for privacy issues. finally they are recognizing there's real value on that. >> a lot of these guys unlike
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jamaica. they have to hear you are going up to return but a halfway. even if they had all of that data. boys are boys. >> the turks told us within 24-hours the girlfriend of aun of the perpetrators in pair ritz already in syria. the they shallings are kwiending out. it is the turks, that's why they are slipping through. you would image people are priping of that's pass report. this is their broad response to the problem. i think the discussion is not far off from this country as well. >> everything isis terrorists do takes money. how do they get it and can we
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>> isis has hundreds of millions of dollar lars. how did they become the richest terrorist organization?
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i sat down with the treasury department. he followed the trails for more than a decade. the nice to see you. >> pleasure to be here. a oo where is isis getting some of the money? >> from the resources. they are controlling territory. the biggest is the oil. used to get 2 million a day a million, under a million. half a million dollars began i take the paycheck. some major donors in the gulf. local crime in iraq. always meaning isis today in the state of iraq, al qaeda and iraq. zarqawi network it is all the same thing. even back during 2005, 2006, 2007 the primary funding for the insurgency was and continues to be today through localized crime kidnapping for ransom, extortion, political corruption, et cetera. where we have to deal with major
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donors we have tolls in the gulf we have the oil smuggling across the border. we don't have tools to deal with their crime at home because we don't have boots on the ground. >> what was the reason for having such an enormous ransom figure for james foley. they wanted 130 million american dollars. it never got that kind of money for lan some. the thbut they were never goingo get 100 million from any country. they know the united kingdom as a no random sol see anyway. the boil that they have is sold ofrnt black market. thor sending it to $60 a veil. sometimes celling as low as 40 a
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barrel. because turks pay so much for gas supply and demand is a market. you can find someone who whether get the oil and smuggle it and buy it in sushiturkey. >> they are targeting them law enforcement treasury designations there's a military capability if they are going acrostic layer crossings with the trucks. >> why aren't we doing it or are we doing it? >> this is a political decision. secretary defense hagel says we are going to be targeting the money in oil hopefully later. we keep saying how we are going to do it on the iraq tiside of e border. if we doesn't squeeze isis in iraq and syria we won't get very
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far. >> who wins, that's next. {off-lin {off-line}
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>> what do you understand the strategy to be? >> i think the >> what do you understand the strategy to be? >> i think it ends with respect to isil needs to be the last defeat. >> doesn't sounds like a strategy to me. >> who is the key to defeating isis? can a coalition really work? two questions. >> we had testimony recently on capitol hill that indicated isis is becoming very much like al qaeda in the sense that they have affiliated branch operations outside of iraq and syria. the three countries identified
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weral jeer yaw, libya and also egypt. you can sees spread almost like a cancer. there isn't a con netic solution or military solution it has become a battle of ideas. we have to not be afraid to engage in this battle of ideas. >> that's a slow battle while we are changing ideas people are getting killed. that's a slow one. >> it will require it in addition to ideas. to pair frayed bill clinton it is the ideology. it is met it's sizing. you are seeing flags being planted all over the world. we seeded the cyber battlefield for the jihadists. we can collect intelligence as we need to do for those using social media to travel oversees we can shut it down at least make it more difficult for people to get their hands on this material or we can push
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back. quite honestly we haven't pushed back. we have to step in. >> why can't we have a fair coalition? where is everybody? >> there's a wonderful opportunity right now to get jordanians to commit even further than they have. >> they have. >> if we fly over missions the coalition partners have flown 170. nobody shows commitment quite as well as a marine air ground task force. we don't have any in the mediterranean right now. >> you are saying we are not showing commitment to other nations so they want to do the coalition. >> you have it dose troy the will to fight of those who volunteered to fight for isis. he is never going to fight as well as the committed jihadist who saw the video and came to syria because they want to join
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them. only way we could do that is we got to make inroads to the sunni tribes in iraq and syria. they are on our side. we need to show they are committed and stay the course. don't do a deal with iranians that tells everybody on the sunni sid of the world they are on our side. >> the cancer is in syria. it seems to me every policy decision right now in the white house is driven by their desire to get a deal with iran this effects how they are responding to the problem in syria. they don't want to upset that apple cart. syria is alive with tehran. >> intelligence community moral is what at this point? there's a big zero from -- >> i think for people who have been on this issue and i hesitate to speak on their
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behalf they are dedicated to the issue but they are frustrated when the information has been presented in a very clear way there has been a denial of the facts on the ground. that means you cannot tackle the problem. >> and at the end of the day we are really talking about unand under governed spaces and we are not contesting those spaces. so it is going to require all instruments of state craft. jordanians will be a huge component of that next to israel our closest ally in the region. we ought to be advertising ourselves as the greatest nation on earth. you are freer here than anywhere else in the world. voice of america. radio freedom. all of the things we used to effectively in east europe against the soviets we still have them we don't use them. >> thank you for joining us tonight. if you want to know more about isis go to greta
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