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with us. before you go the vote chris christie or rand paul. see you monday 7:00 p.m. good night from washington. the o'reilly factor is on. >> our politicians are stupid and the mexican government is much smarter. they send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them. why should they when the stupid leaders of the united states will do it for them? >> fighting words from donald trump at the big gop debate. the central question tonight, did he help or hurt himself? we'll have complete analysis. >> i want to collect more records from terrorists but less records from innocent americans. >> that's a completely ridiculous answer. >> confrontation between rand paul and chris christie. senator paul will be here. >> guess what? i just went to a wedding of a
friend of mine who happens to be gay. just because somebody thinks differently than i do doesn't mean i can't love them. >> john kasich breaking from the pack on gay rights. the factor begins right now. >> hi. i'm chris wallace. bill o'reilly always told me wallace, you can substitute for me once you bring in 20 million viewers. just kidding. the fact is some 24 million of you watched the big fox news republican presidential debate. that's the biggest audience in the history of the fox news channel. it's the highest rated non-sports telecast ever. ever on cable. we're going to drill down into what happened in the debate and how it's changed the shape of the race for the gop nomination. there were plenty of fireworks,
confrontations, even some humor, as the candidates went after each other and us the moderators. megyn kelly, brett bear and me. things got explosive from the start. >> is there anyone on stage, and can i see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? again, we're looking for you to raise your hand now. raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. you can't say tonight that you can make that pledge? >> i cannot say i have to respect the person that if it's not me the person that wins. if i do win, and i'm leading by quite a bit that's what i want to do. i can totally make that pledge if i'm the nominee. i will pledge i will not run as an independent. >> how would you destroy isis in 90 days?
>> megyn, we need a commander in chief that speaks the truth. we will not defeat radical islamic terrorism, so long as we have a president unwilling to utter the words, radical islamic terrorism. [ applause ] >> i want to ask you about your business record. from corporations casinos and hotels they've declared bankruptcy four times over the last quarter century. with that regard why should we trust you to run the nation's business? >> because i have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business, have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws to do a great job for my company, for myself for my employees, for my family, etc. set family et bankrupts.
>> but your companies have gone bankrupt. >> excuse me. out of hundreds of deals that i've done hundreds on four occasions, i've taken advantage of the laws of this country, like other people. >> well tonight, since we have all been getting so many questions about what it was like to be on that stage, to be one of the moderators dealing with all those candidates we're going to do something a little different. we're going to take you behind the scenes. joining me now, co-moderator and anchor of special report brett bear. welcome to the factor. >> thank you. new place for both of us. >> on a few hours sleep, and few hours sleep. >> that's right. >> your thoughts the day after about this debate? >> well i think it was obviously a surprise to see that many people tune in. i knew it was going to be a big night. i just don't think i knew there was going to be 24 million people. i think that going into the debate we had a feeling it was going to be big. i think overall, we covered all
the topics we wanted to cover. we were pointed, but i think on balance, fair. i've heard all kinds of reactions, as i know you have. my twitter feed is filled. i think that you know that opening question was hanging there for the leader of the republican party to not be able to say on a republican primary debate stage that he could support the republican nominee was a big moment. it had been talked about. i think it was fair. >> all right. i said we're going to take people behind the scenes. your impressions, your views, thick things that you noticed on the stage last night that the viewers at home may not have seen. >> when we go to commercial break, a lot of the candidates would come over to the desk. some would lobby for more time. i think a lot of them understood there were ten candidates on the stage, and it's difficult to provide the exact amount of time for each candidate.
i thought that the interaction between candidates at the commercial breaks was interesting. mr. trump didn't really do a lot of that. he talked to scott walker a little bit. rand paul kind of kept to himself. i think it was an interesting thing, that they all, at the end of it seemed to think that largely, they were treated okay. minus, i think, mr. trump had some major problems. >> you know i have to say that one of the things that struck me and i doubt that it showed up on the stage, was that when trump would make some of his more outlandish statements about some things you'd see some of the other kand it dacandidates particularly jeb bush shaking their heads and rolling their eyes. it reminded me of the saturday night live skit when bush's father 41 is debating michael, and john looks at the camera and goes, i can't believe i'm loosing to this guy. that's what i thought with jeb
bush. he can't believe he's losing to this guy, and he is losing to this guy. >> jeb bush had a so-so night. if you look at the people looking at it. also, the interesting thing is that anybody thought that this was going to be just a cakewalk you know. on the way to the nomination on the way to a general election win, you're going to have to face a lot of tough questions. as the nominee, you may face a clinton machine. if you can't handle you and megyn and me i don't know if you know -- i think it's a fair test. >> we're going to talk a lot during this hour about donald trump. but other candidates who stood out, good or ill? >> senator rubio had a good night overall. >> i agree. >> i think john kasich had a good night making his case and had the home crowd in ohio. that was a factor. i do think that ted cruz had a good night. he's really comfortable in that setting, in that debate setting. you can see how he -- >> it is amazing.
>> -- is yearning for that. >> you ask him a question and he will give you a one minute answer. perfectly composed. the word scan sentence scan paragraph scan. amazing verbal ability. you have been our lead political guy at fox since 2009. you've done election nights, conventions, you've done major events. the buildup to last night and, of course we didn't know there were going to be 24 million people there how was it for you? >> i mean it was a little nerve racking. i think when the light went on and you got over the original butterflies, the 8:50 to 9:00 p.m. time was awkward with the candidates on the stage. they came out a little early, and -- >> just stood there and didn't talk to each other. >> that didn't work. once we got to 9:00, i felt we were rolling. you kind of had this feeling that we're in it. i looked at you, and it was fun. >> okay. we got less than a minute left.
give people a sense of how intense the preparation was, preparing these questions and how long it took us. >> it took a long time. weeks. you were doing it on vacation in martha's vineyard. i was doing it at home late at night. then we'd get into this room in cleveland and really go over these questions, one after another. i should say, we collectively stand by each one of the questions that was delivered on thursday night. >> absolutely. >> 100%. each one of us and as well as the team refined each question and we stand behind each question. >> absolutely. i have to also say, folks, it was brutal. what would happen is i would present my questions to bret and megyn, and they'd say, you can do it better differently. your facts are wrong. >> chris is a tough editor too. >> i probably gave as much as i got. thank you. >> thanks chris. >> let's get some rest this weekend. rand paul on the offensive, striking out at donald trump and
chris christie. how did that work out for him? he will be here. warming up in the bull pen, ohio governor john kasich did his home-court advantage pay off? the factor is coming right back. my heart beats 100,000 times a day sending oxygen to my muscles. again! so i can lift even the most demanding weights. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. now with our most vitamin d three ever. you can help children all around the world grow up strong,
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records from independent americans. [ applause ] the fourth amendment was what we fought the revolution over. >> that's a completely ridiculous answer. when you're sitting in a subcommittee blowing hot air about this you can say things like that. when you're responsibility for protecting the lives of the american people then what you need to do is make sure that you use the system the way it's supported to work. >> you fundamentally misunderstand the bill of rights. i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug. if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead. >> well joining us now from south carolina senator rand paul. senator, welcome. let's start with the trump exchange. his refusal to pledge that he will support the republican nominee. you weren't asked about it. you jumped in and interrupted him. how come? >> he's trying to run as an out
outsider. he's given $300,000 to republicans. he says, i give to them so they'll do whatever i tell them to. that doesn't sound like we want to change washington. that sounds like the old ways of buying politicians. i'm horrified we could consider someone who buys is ss and sells politicians. isn't it despicable he's willing to buy access? >> we ran that clip. trump said he's given you plenty of money. >> not exactly true. i do charity work through the university of utah. he has contributed to the university of utah toward my i'll be leaving in a week to do cataract surgery in haiti. he is a generous man. but that's a little different than buying and selling
politicians, giving to the university of utah eye center. >> then it was the exchange we just saw it it got heated and maybe a little nasty, between you and new jersey governor chris christie over government surveillance. look you may or may not be right on the merits. i'm not asking you about that senator. politically, when there is this growing wave of lone wolf terrorists when people are more and more frightened that there may be the enemy at home isn't the argument that we don't want surveillance or the kind of surveillance we have isn't that a tough argument to make to voters? >> well you know i actually want more surveillance of suspected terrorists. i just want to obey the fourth amendment, which says you have to name the terrorist. you have to have suspicion and you ask a judge. on all of the instances where we have been attacked we have had suspicion. the boston bomber we were tipped off. the garland shooter, we had evidence in advance. the major mass murder in
houston, there was evidence to suspect him in advance. i'm all for targeted investigation, i'm just not for the sweeping surveillance state, where we get all americans records without saying that there's any suspicion. it goes against the fourth amendment and does invade our right to privacy. >> hitting chris christie for hugging barack obama after hurricane sandy, a little bit of a cheap shot? >> well this is a guy that's accusing me of something to do with fund raising. if you will recall he used taxpayer dollars that was supposed to go to sandy victims to campaign for the governorship. this is illegal in most states. he spent millions i mean i think at least $5 million he spent on tv. taxpayer money of him strutting around acting like he was bringing all this money for sandy. not his money, the taxpayer money. these were self-advertisements during the middle of a campaign. he should be ashamed of himself and should pay the taxpayers
back for using that money. >> finally, there's been a lot of commentary today. people noticed you were aggressive numpjumped in more aggressive than you usually are. the suggestion is maybe it's because you're lagging in the polls. did that factor into how you played the debate? >> there is a different strategy than if you're in first or seventh or eighth. we think we need to shake it up and be part of the debate. there was a chance that i could be marginalized. i jumped in on the debate and had the least amount of moments. i don't fault anybody. i think if you're not aggressive and i was told this by everyone you want to be heard, stand up and speak your mind. you did let me speak, and i appreciate that. i think i got my five minutes worth. i think people knew who i was and people won't forget what i had to say. >> one of the points you made, and a lot of people said that your closing statement was effective and maybe you should have made that point earlier, you're a different kind of republican. >> if i have another two
minutes, chris, i'll be happy to make the statement. it is hard. i know your job is hard too. you have ten candidates. i did my best to jump in and do what i can. then i speak. give five speeches in south carolina today, trying to spread my message. the one thing i wish i could have gotten to was my flat tax. i have a 14.5% simplified tax. get rid of the tax code. if we were to adopt my tax plan i think we'd have an economic boom in our country like we haven't seen in years. >> senator paul come on fox news sunday i promise you'll have a chance to explain the flat tax. as you well know, sometimes handling these ten candidates on the stage was like herding cats. senator paul thank you and see you on the campaign trail, sir. >> than,ksthanks chris. >> john kasich breaks away from many republicans on the issue of gay marriage. we'll talk to him when the factor comes right back.
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continuing now with our post debate coverage. it was clear to anyone inside that quicken loans arena last night, ohio governor john kasich had a big home-court advantage. the local crowd treated him somewhat like lebron james. the governor got in the race late in the game and it was an if whether or not he'd make it into the prime time debate. would this endear him to republican voters or turn him away? >> if you had a son or daughter who was gay or lesbian, how would you explain your opposition to same-sex marriage? >> i'm an old fashioned person and believe in traditional marriage. i've also said the court has
ruled -- wait. megyn, the court has ruled and i'll say, we'll accept it. i just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean that i can't care about them or can't love them. so if one of my daughters happened to be that of course i would love them and i would accept them because, you know what? that's what we're taught when we have strong faith. >> joining me now from columbus ohio, the governor of that state, governor kasich. governor welcome. there were other candidates on that stage who were calling for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. is it taking a political risk among conservatives to say, as you ziddid, the court has spoken? >> well chris, look the court has spoken and that's it. i think to drag this on any longer doesn't make a whole lot of sense. this is just one of many issues that frankly, divides the
country. i was in congress when we actually got along. i mean i worked with democrats. i didn't agree with maybe 90% of the time. every once in a while, i found things i'd agree with them on. i think we need to learn to respect one another and respectfully disagree. there's no other way we're going to fix this country unless we figure out a way to respect one another and unite ourselves. all this division only makes us weaker. doesn't mean i have to agree with somebody else. it just means that hey, respect them and figure out a way to get along. >> governor i want to talk -- following up on that about another issue, and that is illegal immigration. when donald trump took a very hard line position talking about criminals, building a big wall i turned to you because, quite frankly, you have taken a more moderate position. you support earned legal status. you said as part of a deal with democrats, to try to get something actually done in congress you wouldn't rule out the possibility of a path to
citizenship. when i asked you about that you focused instead on the idea that trump had hit a nerve. that folks want to build a wall. i guess my question is why didn't you talk about your more moderate positions on illegal immigration? >> well i mean first of all, chris, i don't support a path to citizenship. i do support legalization. i do think we ought to build the wall. once the wall is built, we ought to make it clear that anybody who violates that wall is going to be shipped back. look i had limited time. i didn't want to spend all my time talking about trump. but i didn't want to spend all my time you know in some political situation. i wanted people to know about my record. balancing the federal budget. one of the architects national security experience my job as governor of ohio. we're up 350,000 jobs. people want to know your record. one of the things i was saying about donald trump is he has hit a nerve. people think government doesn't work very well. what i wanted to tell him is
identify been in it. when i've been in it i've been a problem solver. i've done it by uniting people and lifting the country, primarily focused on economic growth. >> we have about a minute left. were you in effect saying to the trump supporters look you may like what he has to say, but i can do what hie has been saying? >> well i will tell you, as you know, chris, i've always been a guy that's shaken it up. my father being a mailman, coming from a blue collar town i understand people's anxieties. i have ways i can help alleviate that. it's reflected in ohio. i have the second greatest electoral history in moderate ohio time by bringing this history together. >> 86 of 88 counties. thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. more ahead. mike huckabee takes on planned parenthood and goes to the issue of abortion in america.
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huckabee. i want to play this exchange from last night. >> governor huckabee like governor walker you have strong issues on social issues. you favor a constitutional amendment banning same-sex mar marriage marriages. you favor a constitutional amendments banning abortions except for the life of the mother. how do you persuade enough independents and democrats to be elected in 2016? >> a lot of people are talking about defunding planned parenthood as if it's a game changer. i think it's time to do something more bold. the next president ought to invoke the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution. now that we clearly know that that baby inside the mother's womb is a person at the moment of conception. >> governor huckabee welcome to the factor. you're taking some heat for that answer. i want to clarify. are you saying that the supreme court's ruling in row v wade was
wrong, or are you saying you would move on your own under your view of the constitution to outlaw abortion? >> what i'm saying is the fifth amendment guarantees due process before you can deprive someone of life or liberty. the 14th amendments guarantees a person has equal protection under the law. the question is is that a person? is that unborn child a human being? if it is that human being has constitutional rights and row v wade was wrong. it was based on the notion that privacy gave people unlimited access to unlimited abortion. >> governor and i don't mean to interrupt, i guess what i'm asking is i understand your point of view. the question is is that an argument you would make before the court and let them decide or are you saying as president, you might move on your own? >> i think the president should move. not so much on his own, he was
move on the constitution. this is a realization that the supreme court got it wrong. they got it wrong, and the first priority ought to be to uphold the constitutional rights of every person. this is not unlike what abraham lincoln did in the early 1860s in response to the 1857 dred scott decision that said that black people weren't fully human. nobody defends that today. nobody. i think that the time has come for us to act like a civilized people. not a people that savagely tear the limbs off an unborn child, sell the parts and pretend that somehow, that's the mark of a civilized culture in society. >> how would you as president do that? you would outlaw abortion? >> not that you out law it. you defend the rights of the unborn. it's not what you say you're not going to do it's what you say you are going to do.
you're going to defend the rights of every person and the issue, again, is person hood. i know what would happen. immediately, there would be a lawsuit filed. there would be an attempt to create an injunction. at that point, i think congress would perhaps step in and say, well let's decide. let's decide if there's going to be a law that is passed by the people's elected representatives. what we need to do is to begin arguing from the standpoint of protecting individuals, rather than from the standpoint of destroying individual lives. then trying to figure it out later. i think the pro life movement has played defense too long. we know so much more biologically and scientifically about the origins of life than the supreme court knew in 1973. one of the justices deciding that case even admitted that if we ever realized or believed that that was a person not just a blob of tissue, it would change the whole debate. >> governor we have about a minute left. i want to quickly change
subjects. you got into a dust up with new jersey chris christie over entitlements. he says your math doesn't work and you can't save entitlements like medicare and social security without raising the retirement age and cutting some benefits for higher income recipients. >> well i think governor chris christie is a good guy. i understand where he's coming from. the people who are the recipients of medicare and social security they aren't the ones who screwed this up. the government did. here's another example where the government screws something up and wants to put the burden of it and the problem and the impact of it off on people whose paychecks have been confiscated for every time they ever got a paycheck. that's just fundamentally wrong, chris chls chris. let's not punish people. 60 million americans get social security. 1/3 of them depend on it for 90% of their income. i just don't think that that's a
realistic or even an appropriate way to deal with the problem that the government made not the people who paid in money for all the years of their working life. >> governor huckabee, we're going to have to leave it there. safe travels on the campaign trail, sir. >> thank you, chris. good to talk to you. ahead, the big winners and losers in last night's debate. our expert analysis moments away. you know, just because your bladder is changing, it doesn't mean that you have to.
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welcome back to our post game analysis of the republican presidential debate. i'm chris wallace, in for bill o'reilly. thanks for staying with us. who won? who lost? who barely registered in last night's debate? joining me now with their insight, kirsten powers from southampton. both are fox news analysts. we talked about donald trump. i'm going to ask you to the degree humanly possible not to talk about donald trump. winners and losers last night? >> i think the candidate who made the greatest strides last night was carly fiorina. she was strong poised and confident. she was fluent on the issues. she offered solution-based answers to the questions. and i think that she demonstrated that she was up to the moment. in fact i think she was so impressive last night, that she
is immediately vaulted into the top tier. >> let me just say, she will be our guest on fox news sunday this week. thank you for the plug. >> for the first debate definitely carly fiorina. >> let's move to the prime time. >> i think marco rubio really shone. one of his issues is he's young and looks young. one of the questions was, can he be on the stage with the other people and look presidential? i think he was able to do that. jeb bush didn't do as well as he needed to do. i don't think he did anything that you know harmed him, but he certainly wasn't as commanding as i think, he needed to be. donald trump, you don't want to talk about him, but a lot of people think he bombed. i don't think he bombed. i think he's the person people want him to be. i don't think it's probably going to hurt him. it may help him, that he's continuing to be this kind of
non-politician character that people seem to like. >> monica i'll pick up on jeb bush. one would argue, even with trump in the lead in the polls, with the establishment support, that jeb bush may be structurally the front runner in this race. i have to say, sitting there on the stage with him, i thought he had a kind of tepid performance and faded a little into the background. do you agree or no? >> i totally agree, chris. as i was watching last night, i thought i could physically see him receding on the stage. he's a very intelligent man. he gave a fine and respectful performance. but given the field, i don't think that cuts it. you have to bring your energy and passion. that's a problem that jeb bush has had on the campaign trail from the start. he doesn't look hungry for this race and he doesn't look hungry for the job. when you're surrounded by so many others who, in fact are, i think it made jeb bush look like
he really needs to step up his game. >> we've got about a minute left. i'm asking you to share it evenly. i'll start with you, monica. where does this debate leave the race? who gets a bounce and who has to big himself out of a hole? >> i think in addition to carly f fiorina, in the second debate marco rubio and ted cruz had a good night, as well as chris christie and john kasich. i think they had pretty good nights as well. look for them to be on the move. in terms of scott walker, he also i think, gave a respectful performance last night. again, i think he's really going to have to step up his energy and his game if he's going to continue to remain in the top three. >> kooers teni would agree, except i think scott walker didn't help himself at all. if anything maybe harmed himself. i think the four that monica highlighted are the four that were definitely popping in that debate. question with kasich i thought he was very strong. the question is can he overcome
his sort of republican in name only problem with the base. >> yeah. it was interesting that he took that moderate position when it came to gay marriage. >> right. it got a lot of applause interestingly, too. >> thank you both. have a great weekend. especially monica in southampton, new york. fancy. the trump factor. we're talking about it again. there's no question he commanded the stage last night, but did he do himself more harm than good? that's just moments away. doers. they don't worry if something's possible. they just do it. at sears optical, we're committed to bringing them eyewear that works as hard as they do. right now, buy one pair and get another free. quality eyewear for doers.
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most of the headlines. >> if i'm the nominee, i will pledge i will not run as an independent. but -- and i am discussing it with everybody. i'm talking about a lot of leverage. we want to win, and we will win. our leaders are stupid. our politicians are stupid. and the mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning, and they send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them. they don't want to take care of them. why should they when the stupid leaders of the united states will do it for them? that's what's happening whether you like it or not. i'll tell you what if iran was a stock, you folks should go out and buy it right now because you'll quadruple. this is a disgrace and it's going to lead to destruction in large portions of the world. >> but does being entertaining translate into winning the debate and boosting your campaign for president?
let's see what charles told megyn kelly last night. >> the real story is the collapse of trump in this debate. when he was controlled and in the tight setting, he was lost for most of the lost for most of the debate and i think it showed that he was in a group of professional politicians whom he mocks and yet they as a group and individually were able to handle it and to be sharp and persuasive most of the time but they left him out in the cold. >> joining me now with their perspective, fox news analyst juam williams and mary kathryn ham. mary kathryn, the collapse of trump? >> i don't know that it was a collapse. i don't know that he hurt himself enough to stop the trump train on the tracks. i think if any other candidates had delivered this performance
is he might be done. this guy, his appeal he is doesn't follow the political rules. he's not subject to the normal political rules of gravity. you may see that he is not done. i thought the fox focus group was interesting. you saw some folks go well, i like the. >> boomer: -- bomb bass. i thought he sounded more like a politician. you'll see some of that too. >> juan there were some snap polls but they're unscientific. >> right. >> they aren't polls, they're online voting. having said that trump got 50% support in both of them. your sense, the collapse of trump. exactly as mary kathryn says, this guy defyies the law of political gravity. >> we heard this before about john mccain's military service and mexican immigrants as racist and thieves.
again, everybody said in the political establishment class, chris, to be quite pointed, he's done. the republican establishment and political class in d.c. what's telling to me in terms of the way that you positioned this segment is trump as the entertainer. last night in terms of the minute breakdown he had 10 plus minutes of talking time and that is two minutes more than anybody else on the stage. everybody else was way down like 4 minutes behind him. he held that stage. even if i -- i was in the arena, in the quicken loans arena. he looked fitstiff to me at times. >> juan you're taking too much time. i have 30 seconds left. i want to ask a question of mary kathryn. bret and i talked about it earlier. we've gotten a lot of blow back to people who think we were unfair to trump.
in 30 seconds, mary kathryn, were we tough or were we unfair? >> you were tough. there's a lot going on. there's a lot of liberal positions he held. he needed to be asked about. and he's up there by the way while he's taking on the stage and thinking he's also saying in part that single payer health care works great. he did a whole critique on buying politicians is awesome because they do what they want to do. this is not what people believe in. that may be a problem. the more he talks perhaps he will reveal himself. >> yeah but so far it seems to be working like gangbusters. juan mary kathryn. >> it is true. >> you're welcome, chris. >> thank you both. the 11th candidate on that stage last night. how hillary clinton made her way into the gop debate. next.
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stage in cleveland but she was certainly a big presence in last night's primetime gop debate. >> the russian and chinese government know more about hillary clinton's e-mail server than the united states congress. >> i would add to that this this election cannot be a resume competition. it's important to be qualified. if this is a resume contest, hillary clinton will be the next president. she's been in office longer than anyone else running here. >> joining me from new york ed henry covering the clinton campaign. let me ask you. i assume they were watching from clinton headquarters. what's the word? >> they were. i was in brooklyn. i don't know if your ears were ringing, chris. your name came up because jan paul mary was talking about the question from fox. she was complimentary. you asked about the specifics of hillary clinton's economic plan. the clinton camp feels like you not just treated her fairly but
what struck them was we heard all of the attacks there. they said when your question was asked about the clinton economic plan there was some push back but not a single republican pivoted to their economic plans. the thinking inside the clinton camp they may be wrong, they're going to face these attacks whether it's benghazi e-mail servers and whatnot but that she is the one focusing on the economy and middle class. last night they heard very little of that from the republican candidates. for example, jeb bush one of clinton's top strategis me privately that sometimes they wake up worried that jeb bush will be the republican nominee. they think he's on and finding himself finally. other times they wake up and say they're worried he will not be the nominee. they felt that way last night because they see his somewhat listless performance in their estimation in the debate and say, we want him to be the republican nominee because they think he's very beatable. >> so if they're not at least
today worried about jeb bush after watching last night, who are they worried about? >> i'll give you a little insight who they were most surprised about. one of the top strategists said they thought chris christie brought his a game. christie sort of had very low expectations. he barely made the primetime debate but they thought he was focused, they thought he was calm and cool and he's somebody who is very thee at trick, as you know and he can perform well in debates. he performed well last night. we'll see if he can follow it up though. >> if i were the chin tobs i might also worry about marco rubio who, you know with that argument about generational change might be able to do to clinton in 2016 what barack obama did in 2008 or don't they see it that way? >> i'm glad you asked that. in private they're concerned about a new face particularly hispanic face offering a new vision for republicans, also especially a young face. it will be a sharp contrast to hillary clinton. but last night their ears perced
up when i was at the clinton headquarters. you'll remember the exchange with meghan kelly where marco rubio moved further right on abortion. he said i don't have restrictions on rape and insist. he recapped his position. i was in the room. they feel he moved to the right on abortion. that might help them in the republican primaries but they were itching to face him in a general election saying you've heard the rhetoric before. war on women. we've heard it in 2012. we're hearing it about bland parent hood. it might back fire but they think they have a weapon against rubio. >> ed henry, thank you and let me say to you if you like my questions so much how about letting me interview hillary clinton. >> that's a good pitch. >> i'll be waiting for that. >> thank you all for watching tonight. i want to leave you with a program note. remember to watch fox news sunday. we'll sit down with one of the stars of the earlier debate. karly fiorina. you can watch it on the foxx
news channel at 2:00 and 6:00 p.m. i'm chris wallace in for bill o'reilly. the spin stops right here because we're looking out for you. 24 hours after the first republican presidential debate and the verdict is officially in chts it fs a record breaker. welcome to the kelly file. i'm meghan kelly. the whirlwind in cleveland ohio that culminated with remarkable ideas and what proved to be the highest rated cable news program of all time. now that the dust has settled and the voters have had time to process what the candidates said we want to drill down past the first impressions and explore who has the best chance against hillary clinton should she win the democratic nomination. we'll also discuss the other woman making big headlines to