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attacks in belgium, don't miss a new episode of "war stories: fighting isis" tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. hosted by colonel oliver north and a former navy s.e.a.l. one of the raids near the bomb factory where three identified bombers operated and police recovered 33 pounds of explosives and very near the metro station where one of the bombs went off killing 20. we saw investigators leaving a location in protective gear leaving with bags of evidence. in paris, another raid in a north suburb. authorities arrested a man described as a hay-level operative in the advanced stages
of planning and attacking. the minister says at this stage there is no connection between the paris raid and the brussels attack. now here is "hannity." welcome to "hannity "" program. in the wake of the deadly brussels terror attacks president obama is under fire from being out of touch with his own country. i'm tucker carlson in tonight for sean. after ignoring repeated calls to return to washington to deal with a growing threat of radical islam, last night at a state dinner in buenos aires, argentina, the president found it appropriate to take to the dance floor to tango and earlier this week hours after those attacks took place in brussels, president obama attended a baseball game in cuba with raul castro and did the wave. these prove our president is out of touch with the threat of radical islam. joining us, peter johnson jr.,
co-host of "the 5" juan williams and fox news contributor eboni willia williams. since you're closest, i want to tart with you and the president's first reaction, 50 seconds he devoted to his speech in cuba to the brussels terror attacks. as he spoke, he was in a country for decades designated a state sponsor of terror, cuba. do you think the irony penetr e penetrated at all? >> i don't like the optics of it or the way it looks. if you talk to the white house, the "wall street journal" talks at length about it. the president is trying to be strategic, saying look, i'm not going to overreact, i recognize what this is and means to our country, but i'm not going to feed into a narrative that we're going to operate from a place of fear. that's his stated strategy. >> valerie jarrett and his wife are getting in his ear and saying anyone who's against us is a bigot, stay strong, you know what you're doing. but there is a point where the president has to provide visual leadership. optics matter. if president roosevelt in 1933 at the depths of depression has
gone skiing it would not have been reassuring to the american people. how is that different from this? >> very different. clearly that was a threat to our country's economic structure and system and you had people literally in food lines, tucker. here we have a situation where there's a threat but if you react to it out of fear, i think you can paralyze the country and, in fact, feed the terrorist narrative which is that we will dictate how you live, where you go, and what you do and the second thing is, in terms of military response, i think the president might have said something like this, if you just start bombing things to say we're tough, you're really not making a difference. >> right, but what you do need to do, peter, the president explained is allow the government to read your e-mails so at the same time they're saying it's not a big deal, not a threat to us, you have to take your shoes off, look at your bank account, read your personal communications. >> sure. >> i don't understand. is it an existential threat or not? >> it's an existential threat and when you react poorly to a
dramatic world event and continue to go dancing and continue to wave with the same man who attacked your country the day before and you stood there mute as if it was a joke. then that's part in parcel of era of appeasement that's about to come toened end in this cou. you can say the president was cool, we're not going to react about it and go about our daily lives. we should go about our public lives. we should go into the daily square. but he's the president. how is he bringing together the world against this terroristic threat which is existential to -- it absolutely threatens our way of life. >> well, but he is worried about it, though, but in a different way from the way most americans are, eboni. you've seen the president repeatedly, he alluded to it in his remarks to havana the other day, allude to the idea that the real problem is a reaction to this.
his attorney general said what i fear most is people might be biased against muslims. he's seeing this through the filter of i don't know what, american history or something. he's not seeing this clearly, is he? >> what i'm seeing to peter's point is a messaging kind of conflict where on one hand there's this message of we're going to, retain liberty, values, and the other hand, also, tucker, acknowledging this is the most important priority. he said that in recent days. is yn isis and defeating isis is a priority. >> here's what we can agree on. the problems you're seeing in europe are the result of immigration and refugee resettlement policy. i don't think anyone disagrees with that. >> excuse me, i would disagree with that. >> people committed these crimes -- >> in fact, the two men who committed this crime were both born in brussels. >> that's exactly right. >> and belgium citizens. that's not an immigration problem. >> children and grandchildren of immigra immigrants. people have not assimilated into
the society. >> we have a lot of those in america. >> here's the point. can you state for me why the president's plan to resettle syrian refugees into this country helps america? why is that good for americans? >> are you kidding me? >> i haven't heard one person explain it. >> first of all the europeans are resettling tens of times of measu more -- >> look how it's going. >> you connect these terrorist attacks done by people who are citizens of belgium. >> how is it good for america? >> america is a land of immigrants. that's who we are as american people. >> does it -- >> let me just say it's not about virtue. it's about principles. it's about the idea you can come to this land of opportunity, democracy, and political freedom, a beacon to the world and know that it still burns. we are not shutting our doors out of fear. >> how is it good for us again? >> that's who we are. >> talk about american values -- >> i want to clear this up. going forward, we have a base line. is the principle we're defending, the idea that anybody in need has a moral right to come here, and we the moral
obligation to shelter and pay for their existence here? >> it's a complex question. we have a history of sheltering immigra immigrants. >> we do. >> we have a history of sheltering those in need. >> okay. >> but at the same time, never in our history have we had the security and safety issues that we face with radical islam. we need to be absolutely vigilant about who comes to these shores but at the same time, we need to preserve and protect who we are as a people. >> because -- >> because why? >> nobody has given an honest answer. >> i am the grandson of immigrants. >> yeah. i'm glad. so are most people. >> no, no, no, but -- >> there's also a time in this country with nativists and know-nothing parties that inculcated this spirit that we should be rejecting the -- >> with all respect, that is silly. i'm asking -- >> no, no.
>> simple question. i'd like a simple answer. >> i'm going to give you a simple answer. >> benefit from the resettlement of syrian refugees -- >> i'm going to give you respectfully -- okay, respectively to peter's point, i think he laid out a good answer but he feels like it's a complex answer. to you, tucker, i say it's simple. i agree with you. it's simple. >> okay. >> that's an american value that these two gentlemen have laid out and i think it's worthwhile. i also, though, think when the fbi director james comey says we haven't perfected a way for intelligence to help us in this process of vetting these people that are coming over to take part in the american dream, i think that there's no more analysis for me. that's the simplicity of it. >> i'm still completely confused. >> you want to say a dollar amount -- >> new yorko, i don't want a do amount. i want you to appeal to something other than historical sentimentalism. previous generations have come here as immigrants and thrived doesn't speak to the average american unemployed now. >> average american is not unemployed. >> speak to the average american who may be unemployed as to why
this, and many are -- >> i think you want a dollar amount. >> i don't want a dollar amount. i want a sensible answer. >> let me pose a question. >> is it essentially american to send police and cars around to muslim neighborhoods and say to them, listen, you're muslatch y carefully unless you have some -- >> this is what we say in the legal profession that's a red herring. i don't approve of that. that's not silly. i'm asking why resettle them here? what is the benefit to the average person? nobody has answered. >> i keep answering this question. >> no, you don't. >> i tell you what, let's not take these jews who are fleeing -- >> that's appalling. that's appalling. that was also 80 years ago. i mean right now. >> those japanese -- >> 75 years ago. >> we better put them -- >> this is why trump exists because nobody can give a straight answer. >> so your view is that because they are muslim, they cannot
come to the united states -- >> that's silly. that is not my view. that is not my view. that's not what i said. i didn't state my view. i asked you answer a simple question. you're unable. >> no, no. >> immediately start calling names. why do we benefit -- you go crazy. >> when you're faced with facts, that's not silly. you can say that something is silly. >> no, i'm asking about -- >> when we point to historical precedent in this country of welcoming people that a lot of people that look like you and look like me found to be animical to our way of life, threatening who america was, they turned out to be the bedrock of this nation. >> no one would deny that. >> prejudgment of people because they're muslims, catholic, episcopalian. >> that's name calling. >> we're out of time. >> this is me at the statue of
liberty. for you it doesn't have a dollar amount but to me it means everything. >> i believe in stopping the terrorists whoever they are. if they're muslim terrorists, keep them out but let's not have -- our golden rule in america -- >> to be totally clear, i wasn't suggesting that. unfair to suggest i was. i'm not policing anybody's neighborhood on basis of religion, creed or race. that's appalling. >> i understand. >> i appreciate you all coming on. thank you very much. coming up donald trump says he can get the number of delegates to secure the republican nomination before the convention in july. what happens if he can't do that? pat buchanan joins us next. he said trump's campaign has exposed, quote, the decaying underbelly. and later -- >> helped create isis. hillary clinton could be considered a founding member of isis. >> a strong statement from former new york city mayor rudy giuliani. reaction. that and more. this show continues. ♪
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it's not just security. it's defense. bae systems. welcome back to "hannity." politico, a blog based in northern virginia, is out with a new report with this headline. "shadow campaign to deny trump his delegates begins." according to that story, campaign operatives battling behind the scenes as we speak to convince bound delegates who pledged to donald trump to switch their support if there's a contested convention this summer in ohio. here to react to this author of the book "the greatest comeback" fat rick patrick j. buchanan. who would have predicted we'd have a political season like this, you predicted we'd see the turmoil we're seeing now. what do you make of efforts to stop trump at the convention or before? what do they grow out of? >> i think the establishment is
really looking ridiculous here, tucker. where they grew out of is, you know, desperation and here's a sense that donald trump represents a threat to the agenda of the establishment, the personnel of the establishment, if he's nominated and elected it becomes a different kind of republican party. and what you're seeing, i think, is sort of the stark terror of the establishment and what they're doing. >> what's so interesting to me is that you've heard relatively little complaint about his actual policy positions. you've heard really more on the left about it. on the right you've heard mostly name calling, he's a bigot, he's a sexist, he's a racist, likening him to hitler, stollen. once you say things like that, call your opponent immoral, it seems to me there's no common ground. you can't kind of fix that when it's all over, can you? >> well, no, you can't. and of course trump has used his own language, lyin' ted and little marco and low energy jeb and all the rest of it. i do think there is substance here, tucker. when those 116 largely neocons really took an oxford oath, we will not support donald trump if
he's our nominee, and some of them announced they're going to support hillary rodham clinton, i think a lot in this city are threatened and trump's agenda on immigration, agenda on trade threatens the foreign policy agenda, threatens a lot of what's been transfi firpiring s the end of the cold war. i think there is a substantive threat here and i think the establishment is right to be worried in a lot of ways. >> what seems to me, a lot of republicans in washington, some republicans in washington, hillary clinton's foreign policy is closer to theirs than donald trump. do you think that's right? >> sure, i think it's hillary clinton, she voted for the iraq war, she voted for all those trade deals, she was a nafta gal in the 90s. trade and foreign policy, she's much closer to the establishment here. that's why i think you're seeing some of them peel off. some of them could easily wind up i think in a hillary clinton administration. let me say this about the establishment here. you're really seeing
desperation. the real character is revealed, rotten underbelly of the establishment. secret meetings, palm beach, army navy club, going to get a good republican conservative like rick perry and put him on a ticket and sink the republican party. this really is, as i called it, dog in the manger politics. if we can't control the party, we're going to sink the party. and i think everyone sees it. but to be truthful, tucker, i think basically that -- i think trump is probably going to win this on the first ballot and his only real challenger is cruz because you add the cruz and trump delegates together, they're not for the beltway. the beltway is not going to put some sock puppet in there at cleveland. >> if you're right, i think you probably are, the republican party no matter what happens, no matter who wins the primary and general will not be the same. i don't know if it's broken, shattered, remade. what's it going to look like? what will it stand for?
>> i say this, the establishment is being repudiated in washington, d.c. in the only establishment, itself, the people and the people they put forward, but the agenda is on trade and on foreign policy and on immigration. and i think if you get trump as the nominee, his potential is going to those states where he did well in michigan and i think he's going to do well in pennsylvania, new jersey. go to those rust belt states, go after the bernie sanders democrats, you know, white working class folks, reagan democrats, and go and put together that kind of coalition. if he could get the cruz people with him, i think you have the makings of a different, new, exciting robust party. lot of raw edges, rough edges. we had a lot in 1964, tucker, when in june of '64 i just looked it up today, barry goldwater was only 59 points behind after he won the california primary. >> yeah.
>> said we're still going to march up, we don't care. >> that's pretty good. who's going to run the party? let's say cruz gets it and tr p trump, you know, is beaten by cruz before the convention. will it still be the party that -- i was going to keep going in the populist direction no matter what. >> i think if cruz beats trump, all these people coming out, where did they all come from in voting? frankly, some of them came out to vote against trump. most of them came out to vote for trump. he's a populist conservative, going to secure the border, make america great. all of these things, positive optimistic outlook. i think if cruz takes it away from trump, i think an awful lot of those folks just go home. i don't see -- i mean, but cruz is the only one that can win it but he's more of a, if you will, a cookie cutter conventional solid, i mean, gold-plated conservative, as they were known, you know, in the reagan era. my view has been since the '90s
we're in a new world after we won the cold war and people are coming into the country. the issues in europe aren't what they were. the whole world has changed and the establishment seems to be locked into yesterday. >> is it strange for you, who've been in washington, well, your whole life, famously worked for president nixon all those years, and have been a conservative writer for 50 years, to hear much younger people lecture you about what it means to be conservative? is that strange? >> i think "national review" has excommunicated me many times from the conservative movement, tucker. me and my friend, novak, were excommunicated for opposing the iraq war. can you imagine that? we turned out to be right. a lot of other people said, why are we doing this? i was with the conservatives, we were together during the cold war, the great evil soviet empire, all the rockets, missiles, right on the river. when that disappears, the warsaw
pac goes home, maybe we do need to take a look at nato. what is it about these folks that i think they do not recognize the world, new world we are in. and i think trump, he's not an ideological conservative, but instinctively, he sees an $800 billion deficit, a lot of it with china and mexico and japan. >> yeah. >> you say, what's going on. >> 25 years o after the fall of the soviet union the republican party takes notice and -- >> are you criticizing nato? >> no, i'm not taking sides, pat. it's great to see you tonight. thanks for coming on. >> good seeing you, tucker. coming up next right here on "hannity" -- >> she helped create isis. i mean, hillary clinton could be considered a founding member of isis. >> wow. that's former new york city mayor rudy giuliani, he wasn't missing words. monica crowley and julie roginsky here next with their reaction. then a disturbing new report from the "associated press" reveals is yn is trained hundreds of its fighters to
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welcome back to the sean hannity program. hillary clinton has been attacking her 2016 republican rivals over their proposals to get tough in the fight against islamic terrorism. take a look. >> the last thing we need, my friends, are leaders to incite more fear. in the face of terror, america doesn't panic. we don't build walls or turn our backs on our allies. what donald trump, ted cruz, and others are suggesting is not only wrong, it's dangerous. it would also be a serious mistake to begin carpet bombing populated areas into oblivion. proposing it doesn't make you
sound tough, it makes you sound like you're in over your head. slogans aren't a strategy. loose cannons tend to misfire. what america needs is strong, smart, steady leadership to wage and win this struggle. >> okay. that is the first round. last night former new york city mayor rudy giuliani said hx illy clinton was secretary of state when isis first formed and slammed clinton for not doing more to stop the terror group's rise. here's what he said. >> she helped create isis. hillary clinton could be considered a founding member of isis. >> well, here with reaction, fox news contributor julie roginsky and monica crowley, also columnist at the "washington times." welcome to you both. julie, you're shaking your head. you're outraged. you can't believe the major said that. let me suggest one interpretation that's not crazy at all. that is syria. it has no leader. it is home to more isis fighters we believe than any place -- libya, rather, than any place in the world. >> right.
>> and part of the reason is because hillary clinton and the u.s. government abetted the killing of the leader of that country, moammar gadhafi, for reasons that aren't clear. >> if you want to talk about history, isis arose from disaffected saddam hussein army colonels who we did nothing to enfranchise when we took over iraq, went in there. as a result, isis arose. if rudy giuliani wants to cast blame, cast blame on bush, chen cheney, himself, other people who decided they wanted to go to iraq. rudy giuliani, his view on this, what should we have done? should we have invaded libya, invaded syria, should we have invaded iraq again in how many military ventures are we going to have, how many countries in to the middle east? if that's what he's suggesting, i'd like to hear it. >> what's interesting, monica, he's actually attacking a military venture that went wrong. that was our intervention in libya. for liberals upset about the war in iraq, that's vl lid to be upset about the war in iraq. one of the obvious conclusions one draws is don't kill the guy
in charge if you don't have something better to replace him with. that's what the obama administration did and isis benef benefitted. >> that's right. all criticism is fair. we're in the middle of a presidential campaign. mrs. clinton is already running a general election campaign. look, in those clips and speeches that she gave this week, tucker, you would never know that she was president obama's secretary of state for four years. you would never know that she was actually the steward of american foreign policy and national security for all of that time. it's like she's arriving on the scene for the first time here and she had nothing to dothis. she's going to be running on a record of so-called experience here, but her tenure as secretary of state has been an absolute disaster. you and julie were talking about libya. libya was her portfolio. the russian reset. we sea whaw what happened there. vladimir putin is running wild. crimea, ukraine, so on. syria. the middlidle east.
irani the nuclear deal. as far as what rudy giuliani just said, again, all criticism is fair. remember, when she was sec tafr of state she supported and helped to carry out the precipitous withdrawal of american troops from iraq which created the void into which isis marched. she's just as culpable for the rise of isis as the president of the wrooiunited states. >> we donidn't go in there and killed moammar gadhafi. >> i'm suggesting american air cover made it possible. >> listen, in the same way that american air cover made what possible? you're talking about the fact these people went over there and killed the head of libya, the president of libya, whatever he -- what should we have done? >> with the encouragement of the u.s. government. >> what should we have done? >> the obama administration saw him, samantha power and hillary clinton, all people concerned with human rights as this abuser of our people. >> should we have sent a navy in theretripoli they didn't do that?
>> you're upset, i think correctly, after the vacuum after the fall of saddam hussein. isn't the obvious lesson, you want to do everything you possibly can to maintain order above all? then you can deal with human rights -- >> obviously the lesson for me is we never have nation bill anywhe built in the middle east. includes not going into places like syria. i'm not sure the alternative to what's going on in syria is better than what went on in syria the last 40 years. >> they have no idea. >> what's the problem. what's rudi saying here? >> monica, we can all agree with president obama and his accolades including hillary clinton the real cause of islamic terror is global warming. can you agree with that? >> no, i can't. but that's apparently what the president authentically believes. he and his team have just said this week, in light of the brussels attacks and so on, the greatest threat to global security is climate change. this is who he is. this is what he believes. it's not a mystery. we've had seven years of this. when we talk about the rise of donald trump and/or ted cruz, we talk about mrs. clinton hitting
these two guys in the campaign, look, the reason why you've got donald trump doing so well is a direct reaction to the perceived and actual weakness of the united states under this president and his former secretary of state over all of this time. the wheels are coming off the world. >> i want to ask you, julie, after the paris attacks, we brought the big guns, james taylor to play guitar. are we going to do that again? >> i'd love to see james taylor play guitar. >> julie, monica, thank you for joining us. great to see you. coming up next lieutenant colonel oliver north and leif babin here to preview their war stories, tomorrow night at 10:00, about fighting isis. disturbing new report from the "associated press" isis trained more and sent them to europe to create a, quote, war
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welcome back to "hannity." a shocking new report fromm eth "associated press" reveals, quote, the islamic state group trained at least 400 fighters to target europe in deadly waves of attacks deploying interlocking terror cells like the ones that struck brussels and paris with orders to choose the time, the place and the method for maximum chaos." earlier today isis reportedly released a new video celebrating the attacks in belgium. according to a new cbs news report authorities are worried increased law enforcement activity throughout that whole region could accelerate future attacks. shaking the bee's nest. what can the u.s. do and what can the world to do to combat this threat? "war stories" is going to air tomorrow night at 10:00. here's a preview. >> tonight on "war stories." isis, ruthless and expanding their so-called islamic state. >> isis is hot wiring the
apocalypse. >> the kurdish peshmurga. >> incredible fighting force. our efforts have been anemic so far. >> isis propaganda calls for attacks in europe and in america. >> the threat is growing in terms of scale and scope. >> can isis be stopped? >> it can be defeated, will be defeated. >> that's next on "war stories." >> joining us the hosts of "war stories," lieutenant colonel oliver north and author of "extreme ownership: how navy s.e.a.l.s lead and win." leif babin. you were up in northern iraq. how is the kurdish resistance, peshmurga, on the ground? >> august of 2014 when they charged in out of sere wyria in iraq, in every engagement they have defeated isis. amazingly enough, it's the only organization in iraq that receives absolutely nothing directly from the united states. we have to badger the baghdad government to give them even bullets, much less making sure that they get paid.
remarkably enough, tucker, the peshmurga officers almost to a man have been educated in the west. they speak english better than i do. the reality of it is they come back to fight for their country. they are fighting for a homeland that they don't have yet. the bottom line, they're tough, they're hard, they fight, and they win. >> 400 fighters in europe. that's the assessment of the "associated press" quoting intelligence sources. it seems to me that's probably too many for any intelligence service in any of the european countries to keep track of, isn't it? 400? >> well, not really. i mean, 400 is not certainly going to be the end of the world for anybody in europe. the bottom line of it is these guys are probably very well trained in terms of making the kinds of bombs we just saw go off in brussels. they're probably very well trained in making sure they can take that information they got and pass it on to others. building bombs out of tatp, which is -- it's a triacetone --
it's peroxide is the name nr it. it's a complicated process to make. anybody who's seen "breaking bad" knows what it's like to cook meth, the same thing for h this stuff. they have to have a place to do it. whatunfortunately done we rely on signals intelligence, like encryption, the kdebate between apple and the fbi, throw-away phones they're using, we have to get better intelligence, human intelligence, and they're not very good on that. those guys in europe aren't. >> how are we relying on intelligence services for our understanding of what isis is doing? >> in the aftermath of an attack, you get all kinds of information. the problem is as leif knows getting the information down to the guys who need to do it is a very difficult task. >> how difficult is it, leif? >> i think it's very difficult.
they're having a hard time penetrating these, you know, these islamic neighborhoods and obviously as we saw from the brussels arrest, you know, of the lone escapee from the paris attacks that he had -- he had tons of support within those neighborhoods and so, i mean, he was able to hide for months at a time. the most wanted man in europe -- >> i'm not sure that the press in the west, though, leif, is conveying the scale here of the demographic change going on in europe. there are a million refugees absorbed into western europe in the past year, a little more than that. how does that magnify the threat we're facing? >> magnifies it substantially. 400 people, that's a lot. when you're talking about isis-trained folks who have come from syria or iraq to attack europe, but there are thousands of others who are willing to take up arms. you know, folks like sayed farook in san bernardino and the
chattanooga attack, garland, texas. things we've seen in america as well. it's a major problem for us. beyond just a military solution. we have to attack and destroy isis where they are in their so-called caliphate in iraq and syria. we also have to take on this ideology that spawns radical islam and the terror they bring. >> colonel north, are you satisfied we have a handle on who's coming into this country and current administration understands the potential magnitude of the threat from isis? >> not at all. in fact, tucker, i broadcast the seven rules for success in dealing with terrorist organizations that were drafted back when i was the coordinator for counterterrorism. one of them is, by the way, don't brag about your successes. and, of course, in brussels, all they did was talk about they've got salah abdeslam and he's talking. they told everybody that. and of course, that did cause events to move a little bit faster than they were perhaps prepared for. the other part of it, just to go into some of the things that they haven't done, and we haven't don't, hardening things
like mass transit to make sure you got plenty of dogs. that surveillance footage that we've shown countless times over the last 48 hours on fox, it shows the three guys walking through pushing baggage carts. that's what you call video profiling. there should have been somebody who's looking at that saying oh my goodness, we got guys with one glove on one hand and a guy we don't recognize, all of them wearing bulky clothing. get a dog on those guys quickly. bad as it may seem, you don't want to blow up five cops. send the dog. they didn't do that. what you've got is a very lax attitude toward all those people that have come in. i've long add vocated long befo it was said by presidential campaigns, only allow vetted refugees into the united states. that's what they got a problem with. it's coming from -- >> of course. >> i think we need to be very concerned. when the president says that this is his highest priority, and then we're really not taking any action, we got to continue
on with our lives as if everything's great and not let the terrorists affect us or they win. i mean, it's -- we're clearly -- actions speak a lot louder than words. so we talk about in leadership all the time, it's not what you preach, it's what you tolerate. we can say things like that, isis is our top priority, belgium will prevail like we heard from vice president biden. they actually have to take action and we need to start destroying isis. it starts in their caliphate in syria and iraq and starts in combatting the ideology that spawned. >> you hire these people to worry about this while you sleep to take action while you go to work and it doesn't seem like they are. thank you. leif. great to see you both. tune in tomorrow night, friday night 10:00 p.m. watch "war stories: fighting isis." don't miss it. coming up, sean spoke about the rise of radical islam and what measures need to be taken to protect the american public from that potential threat. that's up next. stay with us. when heartburn hits
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interrogation techniques on him. >> beyond waterboarding. beyond waterboarding. if they would have put him through the grill ten minutes after they capture him, he probably would have ratted mayb stopped this powerful terrorist attack. >> that was senator ted cruz and donald trump urging the u.s. to step up efforts against the rise of radical islam. just last night, sean discussed these measures. >> hello from both of you. we're back again and have more islamic terrorism and you know, there is a battle in this country, for example, we know the mastermind that was responsible for the paris attacks they apprehended an friday, this was retaliation in brussels. my question is would you have a problem if we water boarded him and used enhanced investigation
upon him to gager information in brussels and europe. >> let me share my prayers. it hurts my hearts to see innocents are dead, and my innocent faith is damaged. my innocent prophet means anyone that hurt a christian, he hurt prophet mohammed. the same criminal isis is doing the same crimes in baghdad, in syria. why is it that we're silent? why in those cases you're silent? crime, terrorism is terrorism,
hypocrisy is hypocrisy and people are people about it. >> but in alla akbar, it says take no christians or jews as friends. >> they're enemies of islam. enemies are enemies of islam. they're killing muslims and destroying mosques and shrines. >> do you have a problem if we're to extract information water boarding him to find out if he knows of other terror cells in belgium? in europe? >> i think we have to go with the constitution. we have to go with our morals. at the same time, at the same time, we cannot promise constitution and breaking it before becoming president.
>> we have the information to find bin laden because ksm, one of three people told us about the courrior. >> sean, we can go to the roots of the problem, saudi preachers are preaching hate. and actually, violence, that is the root. we have to stop it there. we have to stop it there. >> all right. all right. isn't it obvious he knows where other terror cells are? >> there might be americans that were killed is the problem. so this is an american thing now. this stands to reason, if this individual that was part of that bombing, where those innocent people were blown up, and we have a possibility of water boarding them, lots lets stop the nonsense. i said ray give me insights about under covers, did you ever get really definite information? he said absolutely, two cases,
two possible bombings in new york. they got information that substantiated the person they're looking at. by saying you're not getting information, having people in these communities -- >> how do you extract information from people? >> have you to use inter investigation and you have to do whatever have you to do, water boarding and all. let them think you have something you don't have given to us by others. you have interrogations. >> coming up, more "hannity" right after the break. don't go away. don't let dust and allergies get between you
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stories on fighting isis. sean will be back on monday. thanks a lot for joining us tonight. watching "special report." i'm shannon bremen. good night from washington. "on the record" is next. this is a fox news alert. terror raids underway in brussels resulting in arrests. fox news shepard smith is standing by with this brand new information. we go live to shepard in brussels in just moments. also, france, just stopping a terror plot. france arresting a man in advanced planning stages. that plot now luckily foiled. also breaking a new manhunt for a second suspect who may have slipped away in the brussels bombing. police believe the metro bomber may not have acted alone and hisáaccomplice could be on the run. that metro bombs is where 20 innocent people were murdered. president obama takes heat for dancing the tango in argentina in the aftermath of this attk.
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