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host "the apprentice"? i dreamed we elected him president. >> and now with 68 days until his inauguration there is a lot of work ahead for donald trump and his team. and that's it for today. have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday." as i've said from the beginning, ours was not a campaign but rather an incredible as i've said from the beginning, ours was not a campaign but rather an inkre incredible day. >> welcome to "the journal editorial report." i'm paul gigot. that was president-elect donald trump early wednesday morning after defeating hillary clinton in a long hard-fought battle for the white house. mr. trump's unlikely win sent shockwaves through the political establishment and around the world. so just how did he do it and are
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there lessons in his victory for both parties? we'll ask potomac columnist kim strassel, joe rago, and assistant editorial page editor james freeman. so, kim, welcome to new york. >> hello. >> okay. so, how did donald trump do it? >> well, look, first of all, i think you've got to remember it was his message out there. and many of these things, you look at the people that he won in the end, a lot of union households, that hillary clinton should have done much better with manufacturing states, energy states. this was a message to working white americans that resonated in the end. and i think he had good ground game health from the rnc. >> he did better among union workers than any republican since walter mondale in 1984. of course, that was the ronald reagan rather, and that was a
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landslide. so you're saying, was it an economic message? >> it was the economic message. these were left-behind workers, people who believed washington was not working for them. and his policies and promise that he would represent them in washington flipped a lot. look, we had some 700 -- how many counties voted for obama? >> twice. >> twice. that in tend, how many lived to be -- >> one-third. >> one-third of them. these are people who are kind of in the middle. they voted for the president before. president obama, but they felt that this, that administration had not served them. >> just on this point, 13 counties in michigan alone from 2012. that's an enormous number of counties to have flipped in one presidential cycle. >> yeah, that's true. and i agree with kim that there was a lot of dissatisfaction amongst white working class voters. but i don't think it explains the victory. i think if you want to understand the visibility rirks you have to first of all admit that this was a national
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referendum on barack obama, eight years of barack obama, and a very weak democratic candidate, hillary clinton. and if you look at the white educated college educated voters, that number was much higher than what was anticipate in the polls. and things matter at the margin. and i think that margin was a bunch of those people who said they didn't like trump but looking at hillary clinton and looking at the last eight years and saying, i can't take anymore of this. >> that's an important point. we all talked here for weeks about how college educated republicans might not vote for a republican presidential nominee, for the first time ever, and, in fact, in the end he won them by, what, four points, something like that? so how do you see this disagreement on either side of you, whether it was obama -- >> i think it was obama, too. >> trump broke through in
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pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, states that republicans, for 30 years, have been trying to unlock. and he did it with no money, no organization, and it's a remarkable achievement. it's a big shock to be in the u.s. political system. >> but it isn't an overwhelming victory. >> not at all. but he won one of the states by 1%. >> it's a plurality, he didn't get 50%, so there was still a contingent quality to this in the sense they are saying, yeah, well, we're rejecting what we have seen and are rejecting the democrat, butte we're not fully embracing donald trump. >> if you look at the exit polls, mrs. clinton has a higher approval rating than donald trump. i think it was a worth risk taking, an aspect of change. >> a prospect of change. >> james freeman, i go to you last because you are no doubt the most celebratory here.
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let me ask, i mean, where would you put your -- what is your number one explanation? >> well, i am here just miles from maralago, coincidentally, but it's a moment where you talk about the caveats of the overall popular vote and all of those things later. but for now, it is and huge victory. i think we talked about some of the messages -- she had no message. she had basically criticisms of donald trump and advertising in speeches. he was talking about economic revival to a country that was very focused on and needed economic growth. i think the repudiation of obama is a big part of it. and you talk about confounding the experts, unlike hillary clinton, he really improved. you go from the debate last winter where he seemed to know welcome nothing about policy, you get to the last presidential debate -- >> and he seemed not to know a
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lot about policy change, i'm sorry. >> no, he was beating her in a debate on constitutional jurist prudence. he actually knew what the decision on the second amendment said. i think he really -- obviously, he confounded a lot of experts and improved and had a message. he was speaking to people being ignored. >> kim, what credit do you give, joe mentioned the lack of a ground game and the lack of tidsing, what credit do you give the republican national committee and reince priebus? >> a lot. the more people look at this the more it has come out. the rnc had 315 field offices, 7600 paid employees. they made 24 million home visits, 26 million calls. >> were they better on the big data this time? >> they were great on the met tada a, that was an operation they have been pouring money into the last four years. bush had one field, i mean trump had one field office in florida. hillary clinton had 51. the rnc had 62. by the way, rooieince priebus,
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there were people that wanted him to direct more money into advertising and he kept it in the ground game. there were also people at one point to abandon donald trump and go down ballot. he didn't do that. and i think that is one of the reasons you now hear mr. trump talking about perhaps a cabinet position. >> all right. still ahead, donald trump's rust belt strategy pays off as blue collar voters in ohio, pennsylvania and wisconsin helped send him to the white house. we'll talk to a strategist who predicted his path to 270, next. what's it like to be in good hands? like finding new ways
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♪ the rust belt state playing a decisive role in donald trump's victory on tuesday as the republican rode a surge in turnout among white working class voters to break through hillary clinton's so-called blue wall in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. john bralender is a republican strategist and long-time adviser
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to rick santorum. sir, welcome back. >> thank you. >> you kind of called this one. were you surprised by the magnitude of the margins in these states? >> not totally surprised. for one reason is, i was doing a lot of races in these states. so i was seeing sort of micropolls, if you will, state senate races, congressional races and even some of the senate races. and clearly there was one thing coming out, one is i did believe there was an undercount of votes in these polls for trump. and the reason is, if you're a union member, blue collar conservative democrat, you're not necessarily going to tell somebody who you don't know on the phone that i'm voting for donald trump. and so i did believe that that was underestimated. number two is, we were seeing a different enthusiasm level for trump's pro-trump voters versus pro-clinton voters. and there was one other thing, if you looked at the exit polls
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and let's hope to god those are more accurate than the national polls, if you look at those, there was one thing people were dissatisfied with the government, the federal government, that overwhelmingly went to mr. trump. hillary clinton became the incumbent in this race. it was not an open seat. and that means if you're undecided or at the end you generally go to the non-incumbent, in this case, it was trump. >> let's break down the state of pennsylvania where you, which you know very well. the republicans haven't won that state since 1988, so a very long time. >> that's correct. >> how did trump do it if you look at the state demographically? we talked for weeks how he was struggling in the philadelphia suburbs, how did he do there? >> well, he did better than expected. he didn't go great. so, for example, take bucks county which had a highly contested congressional district. >> north of philly. >> right.
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and so the republican ended up winning by almost ten points. in that district, the senate candidate pat toomey, i think, won about five points. donald trump actually lost it, but not by the margins that they thought he would. so he actualliry covered a little bit in the suburbs of philadelphia. collier county. but then in the west, he actually started to roll out big numbers. the good example is erie county. >> that's in the far west near ohio. >> right on the lake. and they have not voted for a republican for president since 1984. it's over 60% democrat. and donald trump won that county. here's really the crucial part of this. we talk about the gender gap that hillary clinton was going to win big among women, donald trump was going to win big among men, non-educate d college whit
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women, i have a national level at 60%. he won by big margins among sort of these blue collar who rauchb times conservative but working mothers, in a sense. and i think that was the whole difference in the game. and they do more analysis and will understand that you cannot paint a broad brush and say, here's how the female or mail vote is. >> is there a revival of the reagan coalition, kind of blue collar voters who used to be democrats with the traditional college educated republicans? >> yeah, here's the interesting thing, these are the sons and daughters of what we would have called reagan democrats. and what is interesting is their votes are very fluid. and they have not become pro-republican. let's be clear on this. they think both parties have left them on the economic battlefield. they think both parties have
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left them down and washington is basically corrupt. so when donald trump is talking about trade and immigration and obama care, these are music to their ears and they resonate based on that. and the biggest strategic mistake that i think hillary clinton made is she took the voters for granted. >> okay. so was there a turnout problem for her among minority voters, particularly in philadelphia. because usually in pennsylvania and pittsburgh the democrats roll out big numbers. >> i would get there wasn't as much enthusiasm. if you look at philadelphia, she did every bit as well as barack obamadid. they thought she had driven up enough numbers so that you can
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w win. >> if you would just look at the numbers, you would say she would win pennsylvania by two or three points. but then you get into the swing states, johnstown, pennsylvania, erie, pennsylvania, and scranton, pennsylvania. once you are outside the city of pittsburgh, allegheny county. and then you get into the areas in time that clinton had coming out of pennsylvania. >> john, thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me back. when we come back, the president-elect heads to capitol hill as lawmakers work together despite their differences. we'll look at what the new republican majority can accomplish.
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♪ donald trump heard a voice out in this country that donald trump heard a voice out in this country that no one else heard. he connected with people in a way that nobody else did. he turned politics on its head. and now donald trump is lead a unified republican government. and we will work hand in hand on a positive agenda to tackle this country's big challenges. >> that was house speaker paul ryan wednesday promising to work with president-elect trump to tackle the big problems facing the country. so with the republicans taking control of the presidency and both houses of congress for the first time in a decade, can they agree on a path forward for the party and the country? so james, first breakdown why you think the republicans were able to hold on to the senate. it looks like there wasn't that much ticket splitting in the end. >> no, we saw all year where republicans, especially senators, were wondering how to
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deal with trump. do you keep your distance? do you stay close to him? in a case study in the home state of wisconsin, ron johnson made up a bunch of ground and had a comeback win with donald trump. and the way it worked is that trump voters end up moving to johnson's voters in the southeast of the state that moved to trump. >> joe, do you buy that? >> no. well, certainly in part. i think the republicans who are a little bit hands-off with trump, saying they were fine with him, they wanted him to be president, did better than the ones that renounced him. but look, johnson ran a very good campaign on his own grounds about what he had done for wisconsin. i think there's more factors in play than simply affiliation with trump or not. >> so, mary, paul ryan, donald trump meets paul ryan this week, meets mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell doesn't hold the press statement as is usual.
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what do you think about the possibilities of working together? are they good? >> well, i think this election proves once again that this country is not immune to populous demagogues. but president obama proved that is not an effective way to govern. so the question will be, can donald trump leave behind the campaign he had, which was really populist, nationalist, a lot of demagoguery, and avert to something more effective. he needs paul ryan to do that. if he's smart, he will take advantage of the fact that he's got this republican congress to get things done. >> you're suggesting that he should then not run on the immigration and fulfill some of the promises of this and trade. how do you do that when you just won an election? >> it's not going to be very east. but he also promised to salvage the american economy.
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and you can't do that if all of a sudden you slap 35% tariffs on mexican goods. >> but i assume, kim, let's take immigration, he's got to do something. >> yes, he does. >> because he promised it. maybe he doesn't have to build the wall or a real wall, he can build a virtual wall or something like that. but he's got to do something like that. even though i don't support the policy, he ran on it. >> exactly. and i do disagree, he's got to. all the counties that john bender was talking about, that's why they went to vote for him. he's got to fulfill that promise. but immigration is a good example of a more sophisticated issue has time has gone by. >> even trump has modified his position. >> he has. and the addition to it since we had domestic terrorism attacks, the security aspect of it as well and the idea to screen people more carefully. and look, even the republicans that were part of the gang of eight bill, they had gun to come
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around. all the republican presidential candidates have got to the same position to a certain degree said you have to vom level of security on the border. maybe it is not a wall, but he has to do something along those lines. >> right. something to show that he's at least trying to get to stop illegal immigration. what about the other common ground? where is the common ground? >> i think if trump is smart he'll go to house and senate republicans. look at the better way, this is paul ryan's reform energy across energy, health care, tax reform. there's a lot of consensus within the republican caucus, around these ideas. and if trump can claim them at his own and win in terms of economic revival, it will make for a -- >> if he decides he got elected
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to shut down trade with mexico and china, he's dead in the water and the markets will punish him for that. there's a reason the markets sold out tuesday night and particularly because of his trade. >> but they have gone way back up since then. they are almost at a record. >> if you decide this, capital is going to flee the country. >> james, what do you think about the potential, particularly the senate, where you only have 52 votes, that's a tough body to get business done with. what do you think they're going to come out of the blocs with? there's at lot -- i think trump needs to learn from congress, but they have things to learn from him as far as how to market an idea. mitch mcconnell has nod said
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anything about the paul ryan better agenda. mr. mcconnell, he's great at stopping bad things from happening in washington but a big thing is listen how trump can drive an idea forward and think about playing more offense now. i think that's the doesn't they have for reform. >> i bet that mitch mcconnell is not building the wall like trumpagtrump imaginens. what happen went wrong for hillary clinton? how did so many people miss the signs?
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coming. so what went wrong for mrs. clinton and how did the pollsters miss it? doug shone, buwas this a person defeat for mrs. clinton? >> it was a defeat for secretary clinton. she was seen to have an unenthusiastic base that never got over 50%. 47% to 48%. now the party is leaderless. it lacks a message. and with the perspective nomination of keith ellison to leave the democratic national committee, the congressman from minnesota who is certainly on the far left of the democrat iic party as i see it, that is a direction that is, i think, a antithetical to the way the people voted on tuesday.
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>> a lot of people are saying you went with somebody who is old, a lot of democrats are saying that, uninspiring, not charismatic, continued the status quo. no big message. so was her personal defeat not a larger democratic defeat? >> it was. because if you look at the senate elections with the republicans, keeping the senate, if you look at the house elections where the losses have been protected to be 15 to 20 seats or more for the republicans. so i think this was a complete repudiation of the party that i belong to. and now the party appears potentially to be moving further left, which i think is a profound mistake. >> well, there was a lot of talk about the so-call ed coalition, it was minorities, it was young people, it was women.
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that this was the demographic future for america. and therefore a permanent majority, morales, was safe to have in politics. what happened? the coalition kind of vanished. i think it was a personal coalition for obama. what got me interest in the democratic party is an inclusive party and a strong message of values overseas. it is now a party of redirection and frankly retrenchment. paul, i see the democratic party as really now, as i suggested, that coalition couldn't sustain itself without president obama at the top of the ticket. >> presigh police so. white working class voters which
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flocked to donald trump are an -- i think the movement against hillary clinton and against barack obama was economically based because that white working class -- >> saw no wage increase. >> correct. there was an increase in unemployment, but the larger is offered in health care. >> it is fascinating to look at the blue and red states. you have the west coast, prosperou prosperous. and then the northeast where they have higher incomes in the folks than cities -- trump --
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this is an exclusion to real america, which is working class -- >> now there are also real americans on the flip side. >> i don't mean they aren't real and i'm certainly that passing this isn't representative. >> if you talked ant keith ellison for the rnc, there are some people who will want to say let's do to president trump what republicans did to president obama in 2010.
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works sometimes. we try really hard to persuade people that we're right. and then people vote. and then if we lose, we have learned from our mistakes, we do some reflection, we lick our wounds, we brush ourselves off, we get back in the arena. >> president obama wednesday reacting to hillary clinton's unexpected loss and promising some reflection from democrats on the election outcome. so what lessons will they learn from tuesday's defeat? we are back with kim strassel, james prixman freeman. i have to say it will be interesting how democrats
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respond. what do you make of their reaction so far? >> i don't think they are exactly taking president obama's advice right there. which was pretty wise. they're blaming racism, sexism, xenophobia, fear of challenge, but i think there was a certain complacency in the democratic party. i think they moved too far left too fast. and you get a reaction like donald trump if you -- so yeah, comey is to blame. >> well, it is natural they are trying to find somebody to blame. but they have to go forward. i mean, they have to figure out
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what went whereon. and if they hang it all on co y comey, they have put income on redistribution. the united states has never been a nation that you can get what another state has. that's the less of the bit, they should stop focusing on income equality and start expansioning on. the policy is there to get growth. and then you get --
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>> the results of the election show that americans understand that. >> what do you think of doug shone's reaction? >> it is nuts. hillary clinton's loss did not begin a weak ago when james cody said on what said. when barack obama enacted the policies he was putting forward but also the manner in which -- >> here's the thing back from democrats, president obama got a 54% approval rating because -- >> it isn't the anger that you fear and see that put donald trump in the white house. the it's a reflection to his policies, the economy he has --
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the democrats may not tag him as the person who did all that. but, in fact, he was the person who did all that. >> what he's done to his party, look, eight years ago 250-plus democrats in the house. today, 190 something. filibuster-proof senate today lost and managed to lose their best chance to take back the senate. utter wipeout at the level of the senate. >> and only 30 state legislatures. >> down from 60. and down from 29 more governdorships that he took over. this is what the american public has rejected. >> james, what do you think of the strategy that we talked about with doug, which is the rejection of strategy, try to
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do, win a tea party style reverse in 2018? >> no, that doesn't work for the democrats given all the senate seats they have to defend in trump's statemen trump's statements. >> that is not a growth if they want to grow in the caucus and the senate and have a successful 2018. but in general, you can't be indifferent or hostile to job creation and be a national political party. that's what we have the green party for, right? i also think, you now, identity politics don't work as well. so what they aught to be thinking is, how do we talk to most of america that wants economic growth. i can think of any other
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♪ we're going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will become, by the way, second to none. and we will put millions of our people to work as we rebuild it. we have a great economic plan. we will double our growth and have the strongest economy anywhere in the world. >> that was president-elect
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donald trump in his victory speech wednesday promising to jump start the economy with a big investment in infrastructure and setting an ambitious goal of doubling t so can president trump deliver on those promises with an growt. so can president trump deliver on those promises with an economic agenda he ran on? so kenny? >> yeah, i think he can do it. first of all, i think he should keep in mind that congress is not going to give him a blank check for infrastructure spending. i mean, if he thinks this is just going to be a big spending spree and that's how he will get growth going, i think he's going to have to learn a few things on his first few days on the job. but the other problem he has is, again, this problem where he promised increased protectionism. you can't tell the american public you're going the cut taxes and put 35% tariffs on goods coming from mexico. that's a tax increase. >> i agree, but if he cut taxes,
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corporate tax reform, spent money on roads and bridges, fixed health care and obamacare, de-regulated large swaths of the economy this current administration has regulated, isn't that going to be a growth booster? >> definitely, but i really hope if he thinks he has to answer for his attacks on nafta, what he will do is open nafta open, say i looked at it, i improved the verification process. you know, do something cosmetic, but not touch what is fundamentally a very competitive north american economy, which he would basically take down if he tries to either force a renegotiation or mexico doesn't agree and he rips it up. >> james, how worried are you about protectionist trump? i think trade is one of his core convictions. >> it's a big concern. that's the big concern. i look at trade at what's
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working in the economy. it's the tax and regulation making u.s. businesses noncompetitive that isn't working. but you have to find a way to work with him on these issues. maybe there's some common ground in terms of let's not put up a tariff wall but tell the chinese no more forcing companies to do joint ventures with their government-backed firms, which then steal our intellectual property. maybe there are liberty trade issues where you can find common ground with him. and that's what i would look for. >> joe, you're seeing inside the trump transition this tension between the growth elements, the tax cutters, and the de-regulators on the other hand. and trade is the predominant issue. >> it's not really a team of rivals so much as a team of adversaries. it's hard to see how david
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malpass, former bear sterns economist, who is involved with the transition, and peter navaro, an economist who has written about trade with china. there's not a lot of overlap there. >> they just disagree fundamentally on trade policy. so the question is whether this is going to be incoherent or trump is setting up a creative tension that might lead to some kind of accommodation. but it's hard to see it right now. >> it's interesting, it's going to be interesting to see who gets the predominant roles inside the white house. and also inside the cabinet. and then how this plays out. i think this is going to be the fundamental drama on economic policy, at least for the first year of the administration. >> yeah. >> you agree with that? >> yeah. it's going to be the biggest question, the only question. and which side wins. we're going to have an early indication of that based on who those cabinet positions are and based on where other people are in key senior advisory roles to see who's won the upper hand on that debate. >> one of the things that is
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also significant, a president has a fair bit of unilateral power that congress has ceded presidents over the years to slap on retaliatory tariffs or to declare china a currency manipulator. if he goes to mexico and says i want to renegotiate nafta or pull out, how does mexico respond? >> mexico went down the list of imports that it got from the u.s. and the agriculture center and jacked up the tariffs and u.s. agriculture was screaming until finally the u.s. gave in. >> thank you very much. we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. with the right steps, 80% of recurrent ischemic strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps
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♪ >> time for hits and misses of time now for our "hits and misses" of the weekend. >> a huge miss to the nation's college administrators for counseling stations and therapy dogs and play dough to help them in their moment of grief over a trump election. i would much prefer they were giving money to civics classes and remind everyone they're fortunate to live in a 40% of the world with a fair and free democracy. >> it's a brave new weed in california, massachusetts, nevada and maine, which voted this week to legalize recreational marijuana. afraid to say this is a miss, because the costs have been higher than it were than advertising in colorado and other states in terms of law enforcement, lost productivity on the job, health care. i'm all for the laboratories of democracy, but maybe wait for some results to come in before moving ahead. >> mary? >> this is a hit to the super
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moon he will see on november 14th. a soup herb moon is a term astronomers use when the moon is full and unusually close to earth. it hasn't been this close in 63 years. now, some people think the idea of a super moon is overdone. but this week i was looking for something that didn't have to do with politics or football, and i had to go to outer space. >> i think the super moon might explain the trump victory. maybe. . james? >> i don't know what's wrong with politics and football, but speaking of mr. trump, when he said it's time to make america great again, it sparked a lot of discussion obviously this past year. did we ever stop being great? how do we become great again? there should be no debate about who the greatest americans are. on the veterans day weekend, we want to thank them for our freedoms. we got to choose who our leader
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is because of their sacrifices. thanks to them. >> thank you all. if you have your own hit or miss, be sure to tweet it to us. that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and owl of you for watching. hello. welcome to a new hour of "america's news headquarters." >> topping the news this hour, president-elect donald trump sticking by some of his campaign promises, and softening his stance on others and he begins the transition process to others. iraqi forces pushing ahead inside mosul as they face a wave of suicide car bombings with isis desperately trying to hold on to that city. honoring the victims of terror. paris remembering the 130 people who lost their lives in a series of devastating attacks one year