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thought i would throw her off. i thought it also would just give us a good story. patti ann: it is a good story. eric: that's just great. congratulations to them both, of course. patti ann: thanks for watching. eric: we'll be back here tomorrow on america ease newsroom. patti ann: and right now a special "outnumbered." ♪ finish. ♪ ♪ harris: this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner. here today, meghan mccain, host of keep key on the fox business network, kennedy, republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa booth and today's #oneluckyguy, we welcome back judge alex ferrer -- >> merry christmas. harris: on the day after, and he's "outnumbered." great to have you. >> it's great to be here. harris: we appreciate you flying in on the back of santa's sleigh as he was finishing out. >> hanging on. [laughter] harris: glad you're here safe. >> this is always fun. kennedy: especially on boxing day. harris: all right, well, here's
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another day, the inauguration, and it's less than a month from now. the president-elect faces some daunting deadlines and issues front and center during the campaign and the transition. on the list, obamacare, illegal immigration and nominating someone to replace the late justice antonin scalia on the supreme court. the trump team released a list of people under consideration for that job, and in one of the presidential debates he named diane sykes and bill pryor. those justices are still considered front-runners for the spot. william pryor is on the 3 19th -- 11th circuit in birmingham, alabama. pryor is a staunch critic of the roe v. wade abortion decision. diane sykes is on the 7th circuit court in chicago. she's a big supporter of the second amendment rights. but some point to her age, 59, as a liability when it comes to a lifetime appointment. and while he's not officially on any list, another name being floated you may recall him being
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called liein ted a few timeses, senator ted cruz who once clerked for justice sandra day o'conner. mr. trump will have a republican majority in the senate, but democrats will likely mount a battle. some saying they will give trump's nominee the so-called garland tactic. so out of all of those names, what can you tell us? >> well, they're all, they're all very intelligent and very accomplished and, of course, they're all conservative. obviously, had hillary won, we'd be looking at very intelligent and very accomplished nominees as well or potential nominees but from a different philosophical viewpoint. sykes, i think, would be a great choice. i think she'd be an excellent choice. one of the things people don't consider is in addition to their judicial philosophy, you want a jurist who can communicate to the others because a lot of what happens is -- and i don't want to call it horse trading, but, you know, a lot of the justices
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when they get into caucus, they need to convince, they need to be able to convince the other justices, look, my viewpoint is the one you should adopt instead of this other tangent. and being controversial, being conflicted -- i know ted cruz's name was mentioned, he's also a very, very smart, brilliant guy, but he does have a tendency to be controversial. diane sykes has a reputation for being very personable and charming and approachable and likable, and that goes a long way in winning votes over to your side. harris: all right. so that's how it could go if it goes well. if the democrats, lisa, decide to put up much of a fight, how ugly could it get? lisa: i think it could get pretty ugly because they are going to keep the fact that republicans held up the process with merrick garland, and this is an area where they truly can block some of whoever donald trump ends up selecting here. if you look at the cabinet choices because of changes that the democrats made and harry reid made, donald trump -- as
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long as he keeps the republican line -- can pretty much get anyone through on the cabinet choices that he wants. but i actually think that senator ted cruz could be a good choice from a political standpoint because senator cruz has added to the fact that he may be a nuisance of sorts, so this is one way as someone to have those conservative values and get them out of the way politically. harris: all right. how about a real basic question with about ted cruz? how do you have a guy who you named lyin ted on the supreme court? meghan: i think wounds can heal. i don't think he'd have anybody putting up much of a fight. they probably want him out and on the supreme court. i've grown to like ted cruz a lot more than i did in the past year -- harris: why? meghan: because i was one of those, as you know, i was not a huge trump supporter throughout the election, and i thought he was speaking for a lot of that that, you know, hold true to our conservative beliefs that had questions about donald trump. and i ended up liking him more
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than i would have. i was the one person who defended him on this very show at the convention after his drop the mic speech. so i learned to like him a lot more than i once did. i actually think it's a great choice politically as well. he's very well aligned with conservatives across the country, and when you're talking about issues like second amendment rights and roe v. wade, these are hot button, cornerstone issues -- harris: yeah. so, kennedy, that's what i want to ask you about. there's certain ways a supreme court can have a lot of influence in our lives as citizens. big issues you think this court will tackle. kennedy: i do think roe v. wade is going to come up a lot especially if pryor is nominated. i agree with the judge, i would like to see diane sykes have her day in court or in the senate, as it were, because i think that you need someone who's really strong on the second amendment. and also i want to see how much of a constitutionalist she really is, and i think there's some really important questions that both sides need to ask. one of the things that president-elect trump has
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promised to do is put a not only constitutionalist, but an originalist up in that all-important robe. and i think that's very critical at this point when we have so many issues that are still, because we've had this split court whether it's immigration, marijuana, still has a lot of vetting to be done on the state level versus the federal level. harris: right. kennedy: and we'll see if court will take something like that up again. to meghan's point, ted cruz is a constitutionalist, you know? this is not a political appointment for him, and i think it would be very interesting to see what he would do as a jurist versus as a politician. meghan: yeah. i'm fascinating to see how it plays out. all right, meantime as a new president and a new congress take office in january, among the most pressing issues will be the future of obamacare. donald trump on the campaign trail and in the weeks since the election has repeatedly promised to repeal and replace president obama's signature legislative achievement in his first term.
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>> real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing the disaster known as obamacare. [cheers and applause] insurers are fleeing, doctors are quitting and deductibles are going through the roof. yet hillary clinton wants to double down on obamacare. i'm asking for your vote so we can repeal and replace obamacare and save health care for every family in new hampshire and in our cup. [cheers and applause] meghan: however, despite his vow to get rid of obamacare, president-elect trump has hinted at keeping some of its most popular provisions and allowing those younger than 26 to remain on their parents' insurance. kennedy, i'm going to go to you. do you think anything less than a complete and utter repeal of obamacare, do you think his core base had been angered? kennedy: i don't know if they're going to be angered.
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they have a way of rationalizing some of the decisions that he's made, but i tend to agree with the base on this one. i would like to see the whole thing scrapped because i think it's so expensive. we've seen so much consolidation alone in these health service providers. doctors have been consolidating with these giant conglomerates, and that's one with thing that has really compromised health care and made it more expensive and also offered fewer choices. you know, a lot of people especially on the left say 20 million people are now insured, most of those people are actually on medicaid, and they're not serviced by private insurance at all. so many private insurers are pulling out of it. so i think, you know, if you try and just hack off pieces of it, it's going to bleed to death anyway, so you may as well start over with an entirely new process. and i think that senate democrats will be onboard with that if they truly care about americans getting good health care in this cup. meghan: that's the $64,000 question, judge, is will democrats, will they ultimately help donald trump repeal and
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then replace it, because even democrats have admitted at this point it is a disaster. >> this is going to be a battle among democrats because they don't want to be seen as supporting the demise of obamacare, but there are democrats that are up for re-election in 2018 in key states that are going to be difficult for them to win if they oppose donald trump. so he's probably going to get some support on this. it's not going to be easy though. remember, obamacare was instituted during obama's first term. it's been around and building and growing tentacles into everything. this is not going to be flipped immediately, certainly not in the first year. this is going to take probably a couple years to do, and i think the question's going to be what does he replace it with. if he replaces it with something worth worse, he's in serious trouble. i think this idea that he's floated about opening up interstate competition is key to this. the idea that insurance companies can't compete between states is crazy, because that's where you're going to get the lowest prices and best deals. meghan: you know, lisa, i want to go to you on to this.
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if he keeps some of the mandates like 26-year-olds being able to stay on their parents' plans, is there going to be outrage from his supporters? lisa: potentially, but i do think there is pressure on democrats that are facing, you know, tough 2018 elections to potentially play ball here, especially depending on what republicans end up putting forward. you look, i think there's at least five states where donald trump won by double digits, and so those guys could potentially have a tough 2018. republicans really need to try to get this done in the first two years because if there's any lesson under president obama, when a party controls this much power, even though the math looks really good for republicans, you just don't know. and this is something that republicans have promised repeatedly to voters, and it absolutely has to get done or i just don't know how voters will trust -- harris: that's a good point, because it was really a down-ballot issue. it wasn't just about donald trump and the presidency. i would say the republicans have got to have a plan that looks better than the one we have right now and how to protect those people who are 26, and,
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you know, or pre-existing conditions, i think, is probably the example that i would give that you would have to protect that going forward to make sure. and the other thing is that the irs is running this baby. they've been the revenue capturer for all of this, and so now you've got to figure out are you going to continue to let the internal revenue service run this or is it going to be, you know, revenue wise, very different. so there's some big questions to answer -- kennedy: and that's a really good point, because steve mnuchin, who's the nominee for treasury secretary, will have as much say as someone like tom price in health and human services. harris: a lot of questions about what president-elect trump is going to do about illegal immigration in the white house. we're talking about the first 100 days now. one of the his big campaign promises was building a wall, remember that? he brought it up in just the past few weeks. >> we will build a great wall, and we will stop illegal immigration for once and for all. [cheers and applause]
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>> build that wall! build that wall! build that wall! >> we're going to build that wall. we're going to build a wall, it's going to be a great wall, and it's going to have big, beautiful doors in it, because we're going to have people coming into our country, but they're going to come into our country legally. harris: but in a "60 minutes" interview after election day, mr. trump sounded like he was walking it back a bit. we'll read you the quote, you decide. but certain areas a wall is more appropriate. i'm very good at this, it's called construction. there could with be some fencing. before the election mr. trump also talked about deporting illegal immigrants. >> anyone who has entered the united states illegally is subject to deportation. that is what it means to have laws and to have a country, otherwise we don't have a country. harris: also in that "60 minutes" interview that aired
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november 13th, it sounded again like he was softening his stance, saying this: what we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers are a lot of these people, probably two million it could be, even three million, we are getting them out of our cup, or we are going to incarcerate. okay, that last part you were a police officer before you were a judge. so that incarceration we could see lots of numbers of people if it's really two plus million people. >> yeah. harris: what does the deportation reality look like? >> well, the deportation reality of 11 million -- harris: we're talking specifically about the criminals. i want to know why it's not happening now in bigger droves. >> well, there's probably a few reasons, and that's not the focus of this administration. but one of the things i think trump could do that would kill two birds with one stone is pair up immigration with the gang units across the country. there's so many gangs out there that are stocked with illegal immigrants and are decimating,
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just decimating communities. pair up with those gang units and just sweep across the country, ripping those gangs apart. those are deportations nobody would argue against.would say, e want to keep a gang member here? harris: good point. >> you could clear out so many criminals at the same time you're dealing with the fact that they're here illegally. that would be the first step i would recommend. as far as his wall, frankly, if he seals that southern border, people aren't going to care if it's a wall, a fence or a bunch of angry grandmothers with rolling pins. as long as that border is sealed, they're gong to be happy it was -- going to be happy it's sealed. right now we have a section of the lower united states of about 1100 miles, that's the distance from miami to new york, that is completely open. harris: yeah. all right, so we have homes on the border state of arizona, you grew up there, and so i've got family there as well. we know this issue, nogales, down in those areas that are so porous, we know this issue well. meghan: this is the most
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emotionally turbulent issue, i think, that exists in current american politics. i've never seen people react the way they do to issues on illegal immigration. donald trump ran, first speech he ever made at trump tower saying illegal immigrants were criminals and rapists, promising to build this wall. and much like the question we posed in the last segment, if he doesn't deport all these illegal immigrants, and we had judge napolitano to who said it would cost $250,000 per illegal immigrant to deport them. if he doesn't deport everyone, will his base of supporters care? when you're talking about dream act students, people staying here on extended visas illegally, there's a lot of nuance in this, and it's not just criminals and rapists, and i'll be curious to see how people react to it because i just don't see how it's logical to deport all illegal immigrants. he's least but i think he's also -- lisa: but i think he's also already signaled a change.
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also his cabinet choices. general kelly is going to approach this from a military standpoint. this is someone who's very familiar with latin america, this is someone who has worked in the middle east who's going to see southern border as a possible, you know, threat to our nation from a, you know, potential terrorist activity. and so i think that approach is going to be different. in regards to the wall, you know, i think there's going to be the will of congress in potentially doing it. i believe there's existing law that donald trump could utilize, but he's going to have to appropriate the money from congress. so there is going to have to be buy-in from republicans on the hill to get that done. harris: all right. we've got to move on. i promise you're next. kennedy: yea! harris: when we come back, i love her. a potential showdown looming on capitol hill, what? as some of president-elect trump's cabinet choices are expected to face major pushback from democrats. plus, americans handing a record amount of our hard-earned dollars to uncle sam, but the deficit continues to soar. that is an issue for kennedy to really sink her teeth into.
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♪ ♪ kennedy: welcome back to "outnumberedded." i hope your tummy is still full of ham and you're busy returning those horrific sweaters that grandma bought. [laughter] one of president-elect trump's campaign promises was, of course, cutting taxes. but as the feds continue to rake in a record number of tax dollars, $422 billion in tax revenues, look at that, the deficit still continues to soar. we're spending more than we're
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bringing in according to the treasury department. in october and november, the government took in $432 billion as you see there, still rang up a debt, deficit, rather, of $181 billion. and for the year the overall deficit projected to be more than $615 billion. that's up significantly from the previous two years. so, judge, you know, you look at these numbers, if you ran your household this way -- >> be bankrupt. kennedy: -- you'd be bankrupt, they'd take away your home, your credit would be destroyed. yet somehow people in charge, people in power can't help themselves. they want to spend money so badly in their home districts, in their home states. but we can't afford that. we can't keep propping that up. >> exactly. and i think, i think that that's one of the reasons why trump may be able to do what nobody else thinks he can do. it's kind of like when the election was coming around and everybody was like can he pull this out? the polls all say he's losing, and nobody was counting on that
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submarine vote of people who wouldn't admit they were voting for him. there's another thing, these a businessman -- he's a businessman, a bottom line guy used to cutting budgets and forcing money to be saved. when you have a mentality in washington which is i think it was senator derekson who was a-- dirkson who was attributed with the quote a billion here, a billion there, and soon it adds up to a lot of money, if you get somebody like trump who's a businessman and the people he puts together who are fiscally responsible, money gets cut from places where it's just been sitting and being wasted forever. kennedy: yeah. and maybe that's the benefit of having successful people in your cabinet, is they have run these businesses successfully. but where do you start cutting? you know, you've got so many areas where he's promised to keep spending money, and there are enough people in congress that really are on constraints.
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where do you start? meghan: listen, that's the number one question i have for president trump going into office. there are aspects of being a businessman that i've been critical of in regards to things especially regarding foreign policy. this is the part i really like because, you're right, he actually has to live in the real world, otherwise he wouldn't have become the giant success he is all over the world with all of his companies. the main question i have going forward is, you know, the american public, these are very complex issues, but we know that the government is spending too much money, and i know veterans are dying trying to get health care. whatever money i'm giving, there's still a lot of issues that americans find incredibly important, that are still not only embarrassing, but people are actually dying waiting to get health care. so i think anything except what has happened in the past eight years will probably be a step up. lisa: do you think this could be an issue where donald trump is met with opposition in his own party? because he signaled the trillion dollar infrastructure bill,
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there could be a point where there's some confusion. but i also think there's a lot of opportunity to generate revenue. energy alone and some of the things that donald trump has signaled he's going to do, with president obama's latest power grab of roping off the arctic sea for drilling, right? i think there's a lot of areas for revenue growth. there was also the report not too long agoing that the pentagon tried bury, the $125 billion in administrative waste. kennedy: almost a quarter of the military budget was, you know, completely unaccounted for. and, you know, there are a lot of places that we can cut. we'll just see if this president, you know, has the strength and tenacity, and so far those seem to be -- >> and so far -- harris: do you know what i wish they'd do? real quickly, a hearing on capitol hill, put it on maybe prime time, and let's talk about where those dollars come from. those hard working people who are working two and three jobs
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since the great recession and how they've never been able to put back exactly their incomes, and that is their money that they're putting into the government. and let's think hard -- kennedy: yeah. what is your roi, return on investment? so much more to discuss once president-elect trump is sworn into office. confirmation hearings can begin for his cabinet picks. the tough battles ahead and where democrats plan to make the most trouble. and president obama will be out of a job in less than a month. whether he will follow the example of other presidents and stay out of the spotlight or if he has other plans. maybe a foundation. stay with us. ♪
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♪ many. meghan: not long after the new year, senate begins heres for president-elect trump's nominees. they are sure to give some of trump's pick as very tough time. high on the list, steve mnuchin.
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he has no government background and media appearances raising concerns about his political inexperience. the trump pick for secretary of state, rex tillerson. he wan lose no more than two gop votes if all the democrats oppose him. dems plan to give him the kind of quote, thorough, tough vetting focusing on possible conflicts of experience. senator jeff sessions trump's choice for attorney general. democrats expected to grill him on issues of race because of comments he made decades ago. kennedy, i have start with you, i see democrats opposing every possible pick and creating a hole for themselves. kennedy: charles schumer said he will make things tough for these confirmation hearings. that is incredibly dishonest. don't bo after people personally and emotionally.
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figure out what their philosophies are. there are reason people are nominated in the first place. figure that out. try to assign their strengths to where they might go. tough questions are fine. it is okay to get to the heart of where someone is leading from. no time to change that after you're secretary of treasury or secretary of state. they obviously have been successful for a reason. they deserve an honest hearing with a little bit of critical analysis but don't continue to divide the country along party lines. i think people just don't want that. harris: i would say this. i was kind of surprised now secretary john kerry, when talking about rex tillerson as a possibility for secretary of state, he has been picked by trump, we'll see how he goes through, i thought he will have the toughest time because of all the things going on on foreign policywise going on. secretary kerry said it was thoughtful choice, rex tillerson. i thought, okay, he could be
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playing politics there or maybe he is really considering the fact that russia is so pivotal in all of this. if we get to the heart of what tillerson's ties are with russia, maybe they're not nefarious. maybe they're a positive. we don't know yet but we need to hear from tillerson. lisa: there has been, the left's heads are exploding with some of the cabinet choices trump has made. look at someone like betsy devos as -- fundamentally change the education system in the country. you look at someone like scott pruitt for the epa he wants to rein in all the power and power grab we've seen from the epa with the clean power plan blocked by the supreme court. they will fundamentally change the way the government has been run for the past, or ran for the past eight years. their heads are sort of exploding but they don't have a lot of opportunity to do much here because of the rule changes, harry reid made, donald trump can get whatever he wants.
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what the democrats need to do if they're being smart politically for places to split republicans. kennedy: when they employed that, mitch mcconnell said at some point the shoe will be on the other foot. >> if you look back after the romney-obama election by was very contentious, republicans pretty much swept in the cabinet obama wanted. ief on anybody i think other than clinton, secretary of state. of course now the democrats point to the merrick garland problem, holding him up as a nominee. there is a big difference. cabinets are there during the term of the president or until the president loses favor over you. supreme court nominees become supreme court justices for life. that is a big consideration. as far as them fighting on every issue, trump needs to get used to fact this will happen his whole term. not just the democrats, media, everything -- harris: i think he is ready. >> they are attacking every
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decision he makes and will continue to do it. harris: i think he is ready but i worry about the rest of the country. that big issues won't get tackled because we'll be so caught up in that stuff. meghan: lisa talking about democrat heads exploding, imagine bernie sanders and elizabeth warren talking to steve mnuchin, former head of goldman sachs. i will get my jack daniels and popcorn to watch. kennedy: future recruiter in chief? president obama would like to help scout future talent for the democratic party. a regular billy bean after leaves office. saying that is a task right up his alley. >> what i am interested in developing a whole new generation of talent. there are such incredible young people who not only worked on my campaign but i've seen in
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advocacy groups, i've seen passionate about issues like climate change or conservation, criminal justice reform, that's something i think i can do well. i think michelle can do well. that is part of what makes me optimistic about our future. kennedy: finding those gonzalez's and all the other future commies. this has some asking if he will follow example of former presidents and stay out of the limelight post-presidency. i think that is a fantastic idea. i really think for some of the disagreements that i might have had or some of the issues i might have had with the choices that george w. bush made here and there, i really admire the kind of post-presidency that he is having because he is doing it on his terms in a very private way. perhaps he is doing his own version of psychic healing but he is setting a great example. >> i don't have have a problem with what he is doing. i think it's, i think we could
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definitely use fresh blood in congress. so the idea of going out there looking for new, young, vibrant, obviously will look for somebody of his own philosophy but both sides should be doing that. i think that is great. i appreciate the billy bean and elian gonzalez reference. kennedy: thank you very much, judge. lisa: harris you mentioned earlier in the show americans wanting to see things get done. there is something to be said. the former president stepping in the limelight this way during ongoing trump administration. that will create gridlock and problems. that will make it very difficult for donald trump to move forward with his agenda and get anything done. i have a problem with that. george w. bush was extremely class system i hope, i wish, i don't think president obama will follow that, because he used bully pulpit to campaign against donald trump on domestic and international issues and i don't have confidence. kennedy: will be more jimmy
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carter and george w. bush. harris: continues his popularity game. i don't think that the american public, they have already chosen. they don't need to continue to choose between two people. it is not about mr. obama anymore. but i would say this about the whole process. if the democrats are really genuine wanting to grow new talent, why did they shut down representative tim ryan when he went against -- how many terms has nancy pelosi had? meghan: a million. harris: she has been a representative for most of our lives. kennedy: 471 years. she is the opposite of new blood. harris: my point if he were really, really genuine about that idea, why wouldn't he have, i know the politics but he is not running again. kennedy: democrats rule by fear. they rule by fear. meghan: i don't think this is genuine interested in fostering new talent. didn't do that in the his administration at all. wasn't bringing in new talent to the father front. we need to talk about first ladies being classy.
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laura bush has never said anything in context with the obamas. michelle obama isn't out of office, talking about hope is dead and throwing a lot of shade. he responded in a very classy way. i think they are not going to be able to help themselves. i think president obama loves being a celebrity. i would debate more than actually being president. he can't handle the fact trump beat him at his own became. a much bigger celebrity than obama ever will be. he will be on "the tonight show" every other week. >> i think it is designed to get trump 7 to respond. more they keep him flying off the hand dell and responding more they guaranty this is one-term president. pick at him every day. harris: they want him to be oppositional. kennedy: they know what he will respond to. they want him on defensive his entire term. harris: don't take the bait, kennedy. >> let his staff do it. kennedy: don't take the bait in
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white house in the ivory nest. harris: remember when hillary clinton said. this man can be baited with a tweet. kellyanne conway is moving to washington, d.c. she started a fierce movement in him. saw some of that back down on twitter. he kind of backed off. will be interesting to see i she is part of the plan. kennedy: rarely easy time for men and women in blue, this year has not been good at all. many say we're in the middle of a war on cops. the so sobering statistics and effect it has on men and women that protect us. the same never quit attitude. that's why i asked his doctor about once-a-day namzaric. (avo) namzaric is approved for moderate to severe alzheimer's disease in patients who are taking donepezil. it may improve cognition and overall function, and may slow the worsening of symptoms for a while. namzaric does not change the underlying disease progression. don't take if allergic to
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♪ >> chilling statistics for police officers in 2016. the number of cops killed by non-accidental gunfire skyrocketing to 62 as of december 21st. that's 23 more than last year and 17 more than the average
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number of 45 per year over the past decade. those safety concerns as well as low pay and troubled pension programs are making it hard to keep officers on the job. and morale is particularly low in dallas where five cops were killed during an ambush in july. nearly 100 city officers quit or retired since then. so, how do we stop this bloodletting? if you think about it, 62, that's, just through november, and not through the whole year. that is almost six police officers killed every month of the year. kennedy: these are heart-breaking stories because you know, often times law enforcement, they have got families, they have got kids. we saw one female officer in california who just gotten off maternity leave that week. she was killed in cold blood. and, i have talked to police officers here, i know i talked about my brother-in-law, he was a cop for a long time.
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he still works with a lot of police officers. it is sad to see morale is low, when it gets that way, when you interface so differently, changes how are you are on the job and changes how you react. i think that is one of the big impositions is trying to change the culture of law enforcement, in some ways good but in a lot of ways keeps us less safe in the critical moments. the sad thing about dallas, this was a successful department who had, really made some of the reforms so many people were talking about, criminal justice reform. harris: chief brown down in dallas was trying to recruit particularly young men of color on his force so he could change the narrative from the black community to the police force from inside. but i want to ask your perspective because you were a police officer long before you joined the bench as a judge. would you do that job again today and where do you think, is there really a war on cops? where do you think we really are? >> the answer to the first question is no, i wouldn't. i would not take the job.
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i would tell my kids not to take the job. harris: why? >> too dangerous in the current atmosphere. not matter of police work is dangerous. police work is always dangerous just like our military putting their lives out on the line every day but when you have atmosphere created, being a former copy sense the atmosphere, all the police officers tell the atmosphere, criminals you told them to freeze or stop show them your hands they would. that would put your mind at ease. as a police officer you don't know what the person's intentions. you don't know. so you want to make sure you see the hands to control a situation. now adays because of atmosphere created a lot of people out there, good and bad, some have no ill intentions, being cocky, some are criminals who would try to kill the cop who don't crop ray when a police officer tells them to do something. wait a minute, if i shoot about this guy, think about the cop in
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ferguson, he was ultimately cleared. his shooting was justified. he will never be able to work as police officer and this morale problem is more dangerous for the public than the police, with bad morale, they don't respond. lisa: to the judge's point the atmosphere has created, media needs to take a large portion of this blame. >> a large part. lisa: what they have done driven fictitious narratives ultimately proven not true, hands up, don't shoot was a false narrative and not substantiated by facts and statistics by various universities and fbi statistics and there are dangerous repercussions. entire topic we're discussing and increase in police deaths. they quite literally have a target on their back because the media created this anti-cop narrative, as i mentioned before, off something that ended up being completely falsified. >> you're absolutely right. what happens these claims get repeated and get repeated on
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stations across the country, you know. when a police officer gets shot, some stations, sorry, when police officer shoots an african-american, they carry it 24/7 even before determination was made the shooting is justified but all week long they cover it. the fbi statistics disprove that statement that cops are targeting or shooting blacks for no reason at all. lisa: we won't hear about that. >> you won't hear it. the sentiment from the public on television, oh, it must be happening all the time. harris: it not that it isn't happening, but not happening at rate it is being reported. if you look how many whites are killed in custody, statistically speaking more than the number of blacks. it is just the facts are not out there. >> that is true. students at a major public university issuing a list of more than 60 demands in the wake of donald trump's election win. they include not showing one hit film, which they say is
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offensive is muslims. students are tearing down a portrait of william shakespeare and reason why some are asking if political correctness is out of creel in our schools. that debate is ahead. ♪
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lisa: coalition of student groups from the university of maryland reportedly issuing a list of more than 60 demands in the wake of donald trump's election win. "the washington times" reports that they want to nix showing films like "american sniper" which they claim perpetuate false narratives and stereotypes of muslims. they want to officially remove
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the christopher columbus day holiday. they're demanding full-time undocumented student coordinator. campus reform reports some english students at the university pennsylvania are removing an image of famous playwrite william shakespeare saying it doesn't reflect enough diversity. it replaced a picture of the audrey lorde, a female writer who described as black lesbian, mother warrior and poet. i got to go to you, meghan, millenial, where does this end? meghan: my head will explode. lisa: is your head going to explode. meghan: chris kyle american sniper thing especially. nothing short of a true american hero, fighting terrorists killing them so i can sit here on the couch to have my freedom. a lot of these schools are ivy league schools. i went to ivy league schools. part of the great hypocrisy of ivy league schools don't let rotc on campus.
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harris: amen. meghan: don't get me started. not let soldiers on campus enjoy great education and be critical of a film honoring his legacy is absolutely important. lisa: judge we've seen a lot from progressives on campus, just at large, sort of this wanting to rewrite history. what does that mean for the country if this is what we do, if you remove paintings, you're not allowed to read certain books? this rewriting of history? >> i wish they had taken shakespeare out when i was in college. i could use a little less shakespeare. what i think about is, what is going to happen to them when they go out in the real world and leave this little cocoon all these professors created for them. they go to a job that doesn't provide them a safe space and doesn't really care about their feelings? i think there -- harris: that would be any job by the way. lisa: welcome to the real world. >> massive rude awakening for this entire generation of creampuffs. harris: i will need a safe space, i will need a safe space from ignorance if people stop
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reading shake spears and some of the great writing in history. are you kidding me? some of the of the story lines are based on original story line coming out of shakespeare's head. he wrote love we don't know like anything else. will we have a planet of haters if we don't deal with the love writing? i think my head will explode. lisa: will we find a safe space from ignorance, kennedy? kennedy: woe will. educate yourself. that is what the internet is for. read classics. find good writers. challenge yourselves, if you're in college, keep watching movies. have disagreements with friends. that is what college is supposed to be about. it is supposed to be about free speech, challenging ideas. instead it is shouting people down who happen to disagree with you, preach it! preach it, girl! meghan: young men and women are fighting our wars so you can go to these colleges. as 2016 winds down, twitter announcingmost popular political
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tweets. hillary clinton getting most retweets with her quote from the concession speech, saying to all the little girls watching never doubt that you are valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world. second most popular clinton campaign responding to a tweet then candidate donald trump, delete your account. the third most popular from election day, mr. trump tweeting, today, we make america great again. and top trends in news and politics for this year? number one, election 2016. second, "brexit." and third, "black lives matter." so, no surprise that 2016 is the number one trend, election number one trend. harris: first couple have a lot to do with each other, though, right? those were the choice of people who wanted outsiders. not just in their politics but in their lives. >> yeah. they were tired of the establishment. tired of the status quo. now we'll see how it works for them and us. kennedy: i'm so offended by the tweet see sent out, somehow little girls don't believe in themselves. for those of us who are raising
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girls, do you think we raise our children to be anything less than powerful, thoughtful, warriors? hell no, absolutely. we raise your kids to say they are filled with as much promise and responsibility as anyone of any other generation or gender. lock it up, hillary. meghan: i remember when that tweet, if you marry the right man, life, cheat and steal, bo above the law and run for president and fail at same time. if you lie, cheat, steal enough, what do you make of that? lisa: it is interesting from how twitter has sort of changed the game in this election cycle in the way that donald trump used it really to skirt the media. look at statistics 91% of the news he got was bad, negative news stories on him. he was able to utilize social media and twitter and tweets he sent out, doing things like facebook live to completely circumvent the media, not really
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needing them. it will be interesting to see if other candidates in future elections how they mirror that and mimic it. harris: i will be interested to see you who "the new york times" promised to rededicate itself to journalism, how journalists were shamed because of some of the wikileaks and hacking we saw, john harwood, an elite journalist before that, i don't know how he will fare going forward, how do they do reputational management? meghan: go into new industry. he moderated a debate. kennedy: we need a lot of welders in this country. harris: last word, judge. >> my last word, that is the problem right now that nobody trusts the media rightfully so. they have been shown what is behind the giant green curtain. a bunch of people trying to manipulate the way you think and feel so they elect the candidate the media want and it didn't work. harris: also behind the curtain is a girl from kansas is the wizard of oz. didn't turn out to be that. great to have you.
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