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interviews as you can see. it's been a very big night. 3428, the patriots took it. it was the first time ever for the super bowl overtime. history being made there. chris: i'm chris wallace reporting from houston. as america's sports stage gets set for its biggest game, president trump fights a judge's ruling blocking his travel ban and raises tensions with both foreign friends and foes. ♪ ♪ >> when you hear about the tough phone calls i'm having, don't worry about it. just don't worry about it. they're tough. we have to be tough. it's time we're going to be a little tough, folks. chris: we'll discuss the trump administration's blunt words for world leaders. >> we are officially putting iran on notice. chris: and his controversial immigration order with vice president mike pence. and mr. trump urges senate republicans to go nuclear if necessary to confirm his supreme court nominee.
will democrats try to block judge neil gorsuch? we'll ask the top democrat on the senate judiciary committee, dianne feinstein. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then, we kick off fox's coverage of super bowl li as the atlanta falcons take on the new england patriots two years after deflategate. we'll have an exclusive sunday interview i with patriots' owner robert kraft. plus, the gang from fox nfl sunday stops by -- >> we would love to be on your show every sunday. [laughter] i think we could wear you out. chris: and our power player of the week, houston's hometown hero, j.j. watts, on the big game -- j.j. watt, on the big game and teaming up with former first lady barbara bush. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ chris: you are looking live at
nrg stadium, home this weekend to super bowl li on fox. be tonight, the new england patriots play the atlanta falcons for propro football's biggest -- pro football's biggest prize. hello again from fox news, today in houston. we'll have plenty on the big game this hour including a raucous session with the fox nfl sunday crew you don't want to miss. but fist, we want -- but first, we want to bring you up-to-date on another whirlwind week for president trump who's fighting a court order that puts a nationwide hold on his immigration travel ban. and earlier today an appeals court denied an administration request to reinstate the president's order. to discuss that and much more, we're joined by the vice president, mike pence. mr. vice president, i want to start with that court order temporarily blocking the president's ban on travel. federal judge james robart says the ban does, quote, irreparable
injury in the areas of employment, education, business, family relations and freedom to travel. question: is there a danger to the u.s. now that these immigrants and refugees are begin allowed to travel to the u.s., and what do you think of that federal appeals court decision not to reinstate the travel ban? >> well, first off, from the very outset of his campaign for president and the outset of this administration, president trump has made it clear he's going to put the safety and the security of the american people first. and the executive order that he signed suspending travel from countries that have been compromised by terror is consistent with that objective. and also, chris, it's consistent with his powers as president of the united states of america, both under the constitution and under statutory law. it's quite clear that the president has the ability to determine who has access to this country when it comes to national security. and so we believe -- chris: but, sir, a federal court of appeals --
>> we believe the judge made the wrong decision, the boston court made the right decision. we're going to continue to use all legal means at our disposal to stay that order and move forward to take the steps necessary to protect our country. chris: but the federal court of appeals didn't seem persuaded by that, and the judge in the case says that there is not a pressing safety issue. he notes the fact that there hasn't been a single terrorist act committed by anyone from any of the seven countries on the president's travel ban since 9/11. not one. neither the lower court, nor the appeals court seem to be persuaded, sir. >> well, i think that's why the judge's decision in the washington court is so frustrating. and, of course, it's different from the judge's decision at the district level in a boston court. look, we don't appoint judges to our district courts to conduct foreign policy or to make decisions about our national security. under statutory law and under the constitution, that authority
belongs to the president of the united states. and while, you know, while the court did not impose a stay of that order at this point, we're going to move very quickly into the merits of this argument. and as the president said, we're going to win this argument because we're going to take the steps necessary to protect the country which the president of the united states has the authority to do. chris: mr. vice president, let's turn to the sanctions that president trump imposed on more than two dozen entities related to iran's missile program. here is what his national security add visor, retired general michael flynn, had to say about that. >> instead of being thankful to the united states in these agreements, iran is now feeling emboldened. agz of today, we are officially putting iran on notice. chris: hasn't, with that notice statement by general flynn, hasn't president trump issued, in effect, his own red line on iran? and if they continue with
missile tests, how far is the president willing to go to try to stop them? >> well, as the president said this week in the roosevelt room, chris, all options are on the table. the iranians would do well to look at the calendar and recognize that we've got a new president in the oval office. that disastrous nuclear deal that the last administration entered into with iran, as general flynn said, should have encouraged better behavior by the iranians, but instead what we see whether it be their flouting u.n. security council resolutions banning ballistic missile tests or whether it be the way they're arming the houthis in yemen who just last week attacked a saudi arabian ship, what we're seeing here is hostile action, belligerent action being supported or taken by the iranians, and we're just not going to put up with it anymore. chris: the president issued other orders this week basically saying that he's going to revisit the dodd-frank
regulations on the financial sector that were enacted after the 2008 crisis. isn't this president sending a message to wall street that he's going to back off? >> no. the message that we're sending to main street is that we're going to pull back this mountain of red tape that is stifling access to capital and loans particularly for small businesses across the country, and we're going to get this economy moving again. i've got to tell you both on the campaign trail with and since the outset of the administration in meetings with business and labor leaders, they tell us that in addition to cutting taxes that rolling back the avalanche of red tape that's stifling this economy and, frankly, stifling the availability of loans and financial resources for companies is of paramount importance. and the action the president took this week surrounded by leaders in the congress who have been working to reform if not repeal dodd-frank is just the
beginning of that effort, and we're going to continue to work hard while we protect consumers along the way. we're going to continue to work hard to advance that kind of regulatory reform that'll make resources and loans available for a growing america. chris: right. but, mr. vice president, the market spoke on friday. the price of wall street firms, their stocks, rose sharply. and the fact is that two of the key players in revisiting the rules are going to be steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, and white house adviser gary cohn, and they are both former top executives at goldman sachs. that sure sounds like you're aiming at wall street, not main street. >> well, but -- and, you know, i understand that, and we're proud to have both of those men involved in this administration to bring their expertise. but, look, the reality is that you can talk to small business owners across this country, and since the passage of dodd-frank, frankly, we've seen the availability of loans in banks
across the country begin to dry up for small businesses, simply the cost of compliance for smaller loans is too heavy in the wake of dodd-frank. that's what we're hearing from main street -- chris: right. >> and what you saw the president do this week is begin to roll back those regulations, use common sense and really unleash the kind of resources that are going to make it possible to see small business america and all of business america grow and create jobs. chris: the president -- [laughter] in another action this week nominated neil gorsuch to be his first nominee to the supreme court, and he said that if democrats try to filibuster, senate republicans should change the rules so they can confirm him with 51 votes, not 60. here is the president. >> we end up with that gridlock, i would say if you can, mitch, go nuclear. chris: and yesterday, mr. vice president, you said that gorsuch is going to get an up or down vote, quote, one way or another
which raises the question, is it helpful for one branch of the government to be interfering or poaching somehow on another branch? i mean, is it helpful to set this up as some kind of standoff between the trump white house and senate democrats? >> you know, over the course of the campaign president trump made it clear that he was going to appoint for the vacancy on the supreme court a jurist in the tradition of the late and great justice antonin scalia. and in judge neil gorsuch, he's done that. this is someone who is extraordinarily qualified. his act epidemic background is remarkable from columbia to harvard to oxford. he literallingly was ten years ago, chris, confirmed unanimously by the united states senate, and we're very encouraged that more than half a dozen democrats have committed themselves to an up or down vote on the floor of the senate. neil gorsuch belongs on the united states supreme court, but no associate justice to the supreme court in american
history has ever faced a successful filibuster, and neil gorsuch should not be the first. that's why the president and i both made it clear, we're going to work with senate leadership, and one way or another, we're confident that he'll be confirmed as the newest associate justice to the supreme court. chris: i want to pick up on that because after president trump sent out one of his tweets dismissing the judge on the immigration ban case as a, quote, so-called judge, the democratic senate leader, chuck schumer, said that just shows why there should be even extra scrutiny of gorsuch, because there is a need for an independent judge to stand up against a president who's talking about so-called judges. >> well, i think it just shows -- frankly, i just think it shows how senator schumer's going to reach to anything to try and continue to obstruct the nomination of judge gorsuch to the supreme court. but that's nothing new. i've got to be honest with you,
it's really been surprising to me since the advent of this administration to see the obstruction by senator schumer and senate democrats of one cabinet nominee after another. i may, i'm going to be called on next week for the first time in american history as vice president to cast the deciding, tie-breaking vote for a cabinet nominee. chris, that's never happened in the history of this country, but i think it shows the level of obstruction by the democrats in the senate, and the american people are tired of it. they want to see the supreme court have a new justice, they want to see this president. have his cabinet, and we're going to continue to make sure all those things happen despite senator schumer and his colleagues' obstruction of efforts. chris: and in seven seconds, mr. suspect -- in ten seconds, mr. president, how confident are you that you have the votes to cast the tie-breaking vote to put betsy devos in as education secretary?
ten seconds. >> we're very confident. it'll be my high honor to cast the deciding, tie-breaking vote on the floor of the senate next week. chris: mr. vice president, thank you. thank you for your time. it's always good to talk with you, sir, and i know that you're headed here to houston for the super bowl and bringing two wounded servicemen with you. safe travels, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: up next, the top democrat on the senate judiciary committee, dianne feinstein, on the president's supreme court nominee and the battle over the trump travel ban as "fox news sunday" continues its coverage of super bowl li from nrg stadium in houston. ♪ constipated? trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. signed for dependable relief
chris: a look at the field here at nrg stadium, home of the houston texas cans and tonight's site of super bowl li on fox. first, back to politics. joining me from washington, senator dianne feinstein, the top democrat on the senate judiciary committee, which will hold confirmation hearings on supreme court nominee judge neil gorsuch. senator, you just heard vice president pence's reaction to the judge's order on that immigration travel ban and also his reaction to the fact that the federal a appeals court out in california refused to overturn it. here's what president trump tweeted yesterday. what is our country coming to when a judge can halt a homeland security travel ban and anyone, even with bad intentions, can come into the u.s.? you say that the president's travel ban is unconstitutional. on what grounds, senator? >> well, i'm not claiming it's
unconstitutional, that's not my job. i'm a legislator. we have -- you know this, chris. we have three branches of government. they are equal. the federal court has a right to make a judgment whether a law or an order is lawful and constitutional, and that process has begun. as a matter of fact, i believe there are some 60 filings on various things the president has done thus far. so this is not something that is unusual, that is out of scope. it's very much within the scope of the three branches of our government. the executive, the legislative and the judicial providing oversight. chris: but the president's -- presidents generally, senator, have wide discretion when it comes to immigration, and this white house says that there is no religious test here, that, yes, they are banning people from seven largely muslim countries, but there's no test on what religion the person has.
everybody from those countries is being banned. >> well, you know, we listened for months while republicans said that obama was issuing too many executive orders and exceeding his authority on executive orders. so, you know, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. and i think there is great concern. there has been a blizzard of executive orders and memoranda, some vague, some specific, some most probably unlawful. and you've got people in the streets here. this president has not brought this nation together. as he says he's working for his base, well, there are a majority of people that are outside of that base. and i think, you know, my best advice has been and i was able to say this to him directly, please, mr. president, you have to bring this country together. what he's doing is splitting it apart more and more and more -- chris: but, wait.
senator, wait a minute. you remember the tea party rallies in 2010 when people were very upset with president obama's actions, especially on obamacare. i didn't hear you or any democrat saying, maybe you should slow down, president obama, you've got to bring the country together. >> well, we're talking about ten -- no, six executive orders and ten memoranda that have been put out. this is not one thing. this is what they call shock and awe. and there's every right for someone to go to a court to see if the shock and awe is, in essence, lawful and constitutional. the president is not a dictator, chris. he is the chief executive of our country, and there is a tension between the branches of government specifically. the framers of our constitution wanted a strong congress for the very reason that most of these kinds of things should be done within the scope of lawmaking.
this is done within the scope of executive power, and the challenge to executive power, i think, can be made, is appropriate to be made when you think it's exceeded. and there are people in terms of particularly the muslim ban aspect of this that believe that the president's executive power has been exceeded. so we'll see. the court -- excuse me -- response has to be made to the court by tomorrow. it'll go to the ninth circuit. it will be reviewed. i have no doubt that it will go to the supreme court and probably some judgments will be made whether this president has exceeded his authority or not. chris: let's turn to iran because president obama repeatedly ignored aggressive actions after the iran nuclear deal whether it was the testing of ballistic missiles, whether it was iran's support for terror.
isn't president trump right to say enough is enough and to put the rulers in iran on notice? >> well, i think he is right in this. i think iran is wrong in this. let me be very clear. these are not nuclear ballistic missiles, they are conventional ballistic missiles, but iran has a lot of them. more than anybody else in that area. and the need to test right now, i think, is very dangerous and should not have happened. iran also has an election coming up this year, the first part of the year. and how much of this is political, i can't tell. is it a mistake? is it wrong? yes. now, the president has taken action with some sanctions, and we'll have to see if they have an effect. they are limited in their nature. but as you know, the national security adviser has said rather clearly that iran is on notice. i hope there is no more than
this. it is not going to benefit anyone for this kind of thing to continue. be. chris: right. senator, you're the top democrat on the senate judiciary committee which, of course, will be holding the confirmation hearings on judge neil gorsuch's nomination to the supreme court. in fact, you're going to be meeting with him tomorrow. and i want to ask you about judge go to rsuch from what you've seen so far -- gorsuch so far. i should point out back in 2006 on a voice vote, you were one of the people who approved his confirmation to be an appeals court judge. >> correct. chris: one of the questions is whether or not, even if he's more conservative than you, is he in the mainstream of judicial thought? i want to put up a quote from the former acting solicitor general for president obama. in it he says: i have no doubt that, if confirmed, judge gorsuch would help to restore confidence in the rule of law.
he says that gorsuch -- again, maybe more conservative -- but he is a solid, mainstream judicial pick. >> well, i'm not -- at this stage i can't comment. let me tell you where we are at this stage. friday evening the questions went out from the committee to the nominee. i view the minority party's challenge to do a full and fair hearing and to have the time to garner the facts, to really understand the history of this nominee. and we will do that. and and i believe the chairman has given us the time to do this. and also believes the hearing should be full and fair. if there's a product of this hearing -- if as a product of this hearing we make the decision that he is not in the mainstream of judicial thought, that there are some positions he holds which are, in fact, egregious, i do not know that at this time, then it's a different
story. but i want the democratic side to start out from a neutral base and really do the proper exploratory work and then be able to hold full and fair hearings. and we will do that -- chris: but, but -- >> and then it's fair, i will make a conclusion, and i'd be happy to share it with you. chris: but senator, we have less than a minute left here, there's a lot of talk about a filibuster. only one supreme court nomination has ever been filibustered in the country. would you even consider doing that at this time and risking that republicans will then extend the nuclear option and say that he can be confirmed with 51 votes and not a supermajority of 60 votes? >> well, the filibuster is, essentially, requiring 60 votes on cloture. i believe that's the way it's looked at in this. and i have no idea whether there's 60 votes now.
and this is the one judicial appointment that does have that criteria, as you know. you know, looking back -- chris: senator? >> yes? chris: no, i was just going to say, we are going to have to break. i hate to interrupt you, but obviously we'll be following this story, and we'll see where it goes beginning as you say, of course, with the hearings. thank you so much -- >> thank you, chris. chris: -- for joining us, senator. up next, are you ready for some football as the new england patriots try to win their fifth super bowl? we'll sit down with the team's owner, kraft, to discuss the big game and why the pats keep winning as we get ready for super bowl li i i i i why do some cash back cards make earning bonus cash back so complicated? they limit where you can earn bonus cash back to a few places... ...and those places keep changing every few months. the quicksilver card from capital one doesn't do any of that.
england patriots rallying in downtown houston before tonight's super bowl on fox. the game between the patriots and the falcons is topic one here in houston, but a close second is the continuing debate over deflategate be, how the nfl handled allegations tom brady had the pressure in his footballs lowered two years ago to make them easier to throw? earlier i spoke with patriots' owner robert kraft about one of the sport's most successful and controversial teams. bob kraft, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> it's my ohioan to be with you -- honor to be with you, especially on this sunday. chris: yes. >> you know, it's what we dream about in our business, and this is very cool. chris: you've been to seven super bowls, you have won four of them. what's special, what's different about this game? >> we've gone through an experience the last couple years
where, you know, and in life difficult things happen sometimes. you think you get treated unfairly, and you try to persevere and have mental toughness and pick yourself up and do what's right so you can get where you want to get -- chris: well, let me pick up on that because this is, obviously, your first super bowl since deflategate. tom brady was suspended four games. you had to pay a million dollar fine. you lost your first round draft choice -- >> and fourth round. [laughter] chris: and fourth. you say that this energized the team and your fan base. how so? >> you know, sometimes being focused is hard with everything going on, and i think we realize how we were the center of attention and in some ways, you know, i have a saying that jealousy and envy are incurable diseases, but it's nice to be the recipient of them, not the donor.
and i think to some extent that's what happened, and that's part of life. and you have to carry on. but this helped our whole team focus and understand the task at hand. tommy missing four games brought our team together in a unique way. chris: now, nfl commissioner roger goodell talked about deflategate this week. >> it was litigated, as you know, extensively and validated by the second circuit court of appeals. chris: honestly, given how he pursued this, would it be extra sweet to get the super bowl trophy from roger goodell this year? honestly. >> well, honestly, it's extra sweet to get the super bowl trophy from the commissioner whenever we can. this year and every year. chris: yeah, but come on, this year there'd be a little extra -- >> i think it would be pretty cool. [laughter] chris: i want to ask you about that, because what i really
wanted to talk to you about is how you have developed a culture of excellence in this team. six straight afc championships. now, obviously, it makes it a little bit easier to have bill belichick as your coach and tom brady as your quarterback, but in a league with a hard salary cap and a level playing field and changing players every year, personnel, how have you done it? how have you kept this team winning for, what, a decade and a half? >> well, the key to life, you know, is collecting good people and then trying to have a sense of continuity and stability. and you're in the media business, we're in the media business. you know how personalities, their egos can get out of control. and especially when you win in this league, everybody thinks they're the reason that it happens. so i think management's job is to really try to keep everything
together and have everyone check their ego at the front door, you know? we've been able to have tommy and bill for 17 years and have a lot of people pass through at the same time. and different controversies come up, but we keep the task at hand. and probably the most important thing besides setting a certain culture when we bought the team is making sure that everyone understands that there's no division from within. chris: when we talk about the culture of excellence for the patriotses, -- patriots, are there some lessons that you think are transferable to other businesses? >> you know, the nfl is different because no matter how good you are and how well you plan, it's a physical be game. physical game. so there can be injuries, there can be bounces of the ball that happen no matter how well you plan and how well you do things.
and it's all about putting team first. and, you know, i went out to practice and i was talking to one of our players who's an outstanding player. his role might be to be a decoy the whole game. he won't be on national television doing the glory things. but he really believes if that helps our team win, in the end, that's the best thing for him. chris: speaking of business, you're the chair of the nfl broadcast committee, and you know better than i do that the ratings for nfl games decreased on average 8% per game this year. one, why do you think that is; and, two, do you have any thoughts about changes that the game needs? >> yes. i think that's a very good question. you know, i think, first of all, the election the first half of the year made a big difference. we had some compelling entertainment going on that got
tremendous ratings. i'm not sure that isn't still going on, but the debates and what have you -- our ratings picked up the second half. i think all of television, the ratings are down in all product areas. i think we are less than most, and i think we have a real challenge in the future of how we present our game to young people. you know -- chris: like what? what do you think you could do to get -- because you're particularly down among millennials. >> yeah. i think part of it is we have so many breaks during a quarter, and maybe we reduce them by 20%. and we have to headache sure our arter ins -- make sure our partners are still going well, and i think we have to figure out how we incorporate over the top in a way that meets millennials, the whole trend
towards watching on mobile devices. i think only music and sports can bring a community together. and, you know, i take pride seeing new england patriot fans throughout america and throughout the world really who come to us, and they feel a connection. it's like a sense of family. so that's a great responsibility. we're stewards of a public trust, is the way -- i mean, it's a business. but in the end, it's bigger. chris: it's widely known that president trump is good friends with you and bill belichick and tom brady and, in fact, the day before -- the night before the inauguration, he spoke about you. >> good luck, bob. your friend tom just called. he feels good. he called to congratulate us. he feels good. good luck. you're going to do great things. chris: given how controversial the president is, has that made life more difficult for this team this year? >> i believe in loyalty to
friends, and the president has been a great friend of mine for over 20 years. and, you know, in one of the most difficult times of my life, he was there for me -- chris: i want to ask you about that, because i understand that when your wife, myra, passed away, that he was a really good friend to you. >> yeah. he and melania flew up to the funeral, and they came and visited me at the house for memorial week, and then he called me once a week every week for a year, how are you doing, what's going on, what are you doing? and i was really, really down. and he invited me to things -- chris: for how long did this go on? >> for a year. chris: wow. >> he was one of five or six people in my life who really -- i mean, the players in the locker room and, of course, my family were great, but he was one of a few outside people who really paid attention and was a great help to me. and and so i will forever remember that.
chris: finally, there is the famous story of you going to russia in 2005 and showing vladimir putin your super bowl ring, and he walked off with it. i've got several questions. one, did he ever give it back? >> no. chris: two, did you have a replacement ring made for the ring that -- [laughter] president putin absconded with? >> yes. but i was willing to have one made with his name on it. maybe we'll have the new president bring it to him when he connects with him. chris: i was going to ask you, are you going to ask president trump when he has his fist summit with vladimir putin to give him a ring, substitute ring and get your original back? >> that would be -- i do have an emotional attachment to that ring -- [laughter] and maybe, who knows? maybe if we win sunday, i could trade a new one with him, have one made up in good spirit of friendship -- chris: and president trump could be the courier.
>> right. we'll have him do that. chris: mr. kraft, thank you. >> thank you very much. chris: and good luck in the big game today. >> thanks. chris: the robert kraft summit. up next, the highlight every time we report from the super bowl, we sit down with the hosts of fox nfl sunday and be, yes, once again it gets out of hand. that was kind of -- [laughter] that was so much better than you. >> you didn't say be intellectual -- chris: well, i just assumed you would do it, terry. >> no, no, no, i actually -- >> don't a a a a a
terry, howie, michael and jimmy are the best in the business, and once again they gave me the business. gentlemen, here we are again with. i know you've been looking forward to this for three years, to get me in your crosshairs. [laughter] >> you look the same. chris: well -- >> you haven't gotten any orderer. chris: there's a portrait of me in an attic somewhere. terry, as you look at this game, what are the keys? >> well, i'll just take atlanta's side going up against new england, and, actually, i'll take a quote from someone on the street. they said i'll tell you how you beat those patriots, you take two linemen that won't play in the game for atlanta, and you cheap shot brady and body slam him. you get early -- you get 15-yard penalties, you get kicked out of the game. >> you know this is on air? >> i do. [laughter] chris: i don't think he does know that. >> i'm being animated. >> he's letting us know what the people are thinking. >> i didn't say it was me, i
said it was the guy on the street. chris: howie, you've got two quarterbacks at the top of their game, brady and ryan. how codo you separate them, analyze them? >> well, i think the difference between the two, brady can do it in a number of different ways. he can be surgical, methodical, they can run the football, they can take the quick crossing routes and beat you that way, 12, 14-play drives, hold the football. for atlanta it's all about explosive plays and new england stop this explosive plays, force matt ryan to be patient. and that's the key, will matt ryan be patient. chris: so you see how that was kind of intellectual? that was so much better than you. >> you didn't say be intellectual -- chris: i just assumed you would do it, terry. [laughter] >> hey, don't assume you ever know what's going to come out of his mouth. chris: i'm going to give you my knowledge of the game. you've got the number one scoring offense, atlanta.
you've got the number one scoring defense, the patriots. >> there you go. >> some people say the patriots' defense is overrated because they haven't faced many top quarterbacks, and when they face russell wilson -- you listening to me here? >> i'm listening. chris: 31 points they put up -- you've -- >> you've got the stance -- chris: it's in the contract. >> bingo. this is the thing about the patriots. if you name their defense say they're the number one scoring defense and say give me a tar player, there's really no stars. it's kind of like the offense outside of tom brady. they have the concept of teamwork with. there is no one on that defense that does not know their value, does not play to the top of their ability play in and play out, game in and game out. and anytime you give belichick two weeks to figure out how to take away your top weaponses, i guarantee you, he's going to figure out a way to do that. atlanta has so many, which ones do you take out. who do you put the pressure on in atlanta.
and if i'm the patriots, i take julio jones out and make matt ryan go to the young players. >> here's the thing about it, i'll make a prediction. chris: go ahead. >> it will not be a blowout for the simple reason that there's -- [laughter] there's nobody that's going to, you know, turn the ball over. both of them protect the ball extremely well. >> that's intellectual of both of you. >> thank you. chris: you know -- >> i see how you do this now. chris: you always do this -- >> you for or against the nuclear option? chris: during the football game? >> no. [laughter] chris: really? i mean, is that what they're calling the patriots' offense? >> no, no. [laughter] chris: how good would that be, the nuclear option. >> no. chris: i want to ask jimmy a serious question. i had an interview with robert kraft, and i asked him about the culture of excellence that this team has built. yes, you've got brady and belichick, but it's 16 years in this league, what do you, what
do you needling him for? this is serious stuff. >> i got a text from my wife, and i -- [laughter] hey, hey, we're on the air. honey, it can wait. chris: honey can wait. yes, but not long. how do they do this in a league where you've got a hard salary cap, they're changing personnel all the time? >> people ask me about, hey, what kind of prediction are you going to make for next year? you know, and i say go to the top organizations. if you go to the top organizations, you know, the top coach, the top general manager, the top owner, they're going to bring in the right people. you know? and so you can't -- players change, you know, with free agents they go to one team, go to another team. but if you go to the top organizations as far as the head coach, the general manager and the owner, they will be successful. >> and the quarterback. >> oh, yeah. >> it's a transient league. but if you don't have that to start with, and you just -- >> it's kind of like the human body, your back is going to hurt if you don't have a strong core.
bam, there you go. chris: j.j. watt. [laughter] well, i interviewed him -- >> you know your stuff, baby. [laughter] chris: now, i don't want to rub it in, but while our ratings in fox news have never been higher, your ratings -- >> you talking about our show? chris: i'm talking about the nfl in general. >> i thought you were talking about our show. you got your numbers -- chris: let me finish. >> no, no, don't let him do this. [laughter] chris: the numbers for the nfl are down 8% on average -- so, no, no, serious question. >> right. >> it's the nfl. fox ratings, our games, our show, through the roof! chris: jimmy, there's no i in team. [laughter] here's the question, is there a problem with the game? >> no. you know, i think some of it, political season, has -- chris: you mean there are people who would rather watch us? >> no, we loaned you some viewers because you were struggling. chris: we apparently took them. >> you did. [laughter] >> this is a unique year of
politics. >> we had the election -- chris: not just any election. >> we've been dealing with domestic violence issues in the nfl, we've been dealing with concussions in the national football league. we've got our youth programs that are struggling, the moms especially who will not allow their kids to play. we have a lack of coaching in the younger kids, so all of that has added up. thus, the nfl now is being forced to take a game now, kind of start to recreate itself in the eye of the public. and you know who they have to win over, they have to win over the families, they have to win over the moms. so right now, yeah, our ratings are down. you can only peak so long. the nfl can only go so long and, chris, it starts going down. chris: see that, gentlemen, was an intellectual answer. i appreciate that. >> he has no idea that he did it. chris: evidently. [laughter] here is the question though. i've got to say, i'm at home
watching, and i shouldn't say this, there are too many darn commercial breaks during the game. let them play. >> don't you buy their products? chris: no. >> we need to advertise products so that you can know what kind of food to buy and -- chris: i know. but do we need to speed that up? >> they're trying to shorten -- >> yeah. i think as a consumer or a fan at home watching it, it does get tough with all the breaks. even as a player there are times you're like, why is the game stopped? the flow of the game is stopped. i think we're a society of the next, most immediate thing. you're on your phone, howie's doing an interview, texting his wife. i mean -- chris: can see that. >> very quick to switch over, and i think they need to find a way to speed it up or you do lose people -- >> commercials on an average are 45 commercials to a game, 45 minutes, i should say. so to answer your point, yeah, there is a problem. but it's still the most watched sporting event -- chris: absolutely. every other sport would kill for
your ratings, just not us in news. >> right, yeah. [laughter] >> hold on, hold on. that -- chris: did you know that i moderated the third debate? >> i know you did. chris: 72 million people. >> i watched you on tv, and you guys just kind of slide the numbers. those numbers are wrong. chris: what do you mean? >> our numbers compared to your numbers? chris: what are you talking about? 72 million. >> bless your heart. chris chris for the debate. >> you know how many people watched our live super bowl? you know how many people watch our live super bowl? chris: i touched a nerve. >> 120, 130. chris: you do one super bowl a year, we had three debates. i have one last question, and this is a super bowl for you, your son, chris long, defensive lineman, patriots. as a football lifer or, seriously, what does it mean for you to have your son playing in the biggest game? >> it's really surreal, and i'm
not sure that it will hit me until maybe i'm on the field, the national anthem's played, the ball's kicked off. you have to understand that, you know, i got here 23 years ago. we've been together 23, jimmy, close to 23, michael and i had the same defensive line coach and chris is more of a peer for 20 years. my kids have grown up here at fox, and they were running around this set 23 years ago tearing the place up and hopefully not breaking a monitor. so they're family. these guys are family. so for all of us and particularly my wife, diane, and me and kyle's in time and howie's in town, and for us to have the opportunity, it's nothing short of amazing. chris: gentlemen -- >> i want to say real quick you're very good, because you touched a nerve, and then you softened his heart talking about family. that's the way to bring him back. chris, great job. [laughter] >> we would love to be on your show every sunday. i think we could wear you out. chris: terry, you already have.
♪ ♪ chris: here in houston no one is bigger than hometown hero item is j. watt who's been the -- j.j. watt who's been the nfl defensive player of the year three times for the houston texans, and when we sat down with him earlier, he gave new meaning to the title power player of the week. how is it to have the super bowl
here in houston in your stadium and you and your team are not in it? >> it's bittersweet. obviously, having the eyes of the entire world is going to be great to show off ourty, but it's very frustrating to work out every day and see somebody else's face on the side of it. it's motivation to get there next year, but it's great for the city of houston as a whole. chris: you missed most of this season because of a back injury. you say you're now back, and you have a, quote, insatiable appetite. [laughter] to hit somebody on a football field. i hope present company excluded. >> no, i'll take it easy. chris: what does that mean? >> when you're away from the game so long, i haven't missed a football season since fifth grade. so for me to fully appreciate and understand how special this game is and how fleeting it can be, i cannot wait to get back out there. obviously, as a defensive player, i can't wait to hit somebody again. chris: when you say hit somebody, you mean --
>> quarterbacks. not you, don't worry. [laughter] chris: you have said that after football you would think seriously about coaching a high school team. >> right. chris: really? >> yeah. i think my high school coach had such a big impact on my life. i think at that age you can really help to mold young minds and really help to teach kids whatever their dreams may be -- it doesn't have to be sports, it can be anything -- they can accomplish it if they're willing to put in the work and make the right sacrifices. i think that's my biggest message. i'd like to coach high school ball because i know what can happen if kids have that great influence in their lives. chris: a few years ago you teamed up with barbara bush on a classic video. >> mrs. bush, i thought we were going to be reading to children. >> if we're going to tackle some literacy near houston, j.j., we've got to get our game faces on. chris: how did that happen? barbara bush putting on football gear? [laughter] >> well, i'm very fortunate the bush family has been great to me since i've been down here, and barbara called and asked if i would help with her literacy
campaign, and i was like, absolutely. of course we want to promote literacy. she said i'm going to put shoulder pads and eye black -- chris: that was her idea? >> yeah. chris: now, sunday mrs. bush and former president bush just, like a week out of the hospital, are going to be on the field flipping the coin to begin the super bowl. what do you think that's, that moment is going to be like for the millions of people watching? what's that moment boeing to be like for you -- going to be like your for you? >> i think it's incredible for them to be able to do something like that. they're, like, superhuman. but i think it's very cool for the city of houston and everything that they represent down here. obviously, they're beloved in this city, all across the country. so it's going to be very fun to watch, and i think it's, obviously, a very well-deserved honor to have all the eyes of the world on them. chris: j.j., thank you so much for doing this. >> thank you, i appreciate it. chris: next year, super bowl -- >> that's the plan. you've got it. chris: and j.j. says this' his goal, the play next year's super bowl in minneapolis.
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