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the >> bill: as we mentioned, paul ryan will be up in a little bit. we'll see what his approach now is with the whole james comey, robert moeller ordeal. we've got to run, have a great day. >> jon: we begin with a fox news alert. we are awaiting house speaker paul ryan's weekly news conference as the justice department names robert mueller as special counsel overseeing the meddling in the 2016 elections and any ties to the trump campaign by the russians. welcome to "happening now" ." >> julie: i'm in for jenna lee today. the mueller appointment being praised on capitol hill. he spent 12 years at the helm of the fbi agency serving both democratic and republican
administrations. the decision to appoint mueller came from rod rosenstein and the white house was notified charlie before the announcement. this comes as rosenstein heads to capitol hill today for an all senate briefing on the comey termination. >> jon: meantime, the white house is facing more questions about the firing of michael flynn. after "the new york times" reporter alleges that the trump transition team new trump stomach to my stomach >> let me say, hearing that story today was the first i heard of it and i fully support the decision that president trump made. >> jon: we have fox news live
coverage with catherine herridge on the robert mueller announcement, but we begin with kevin live at the white house. >> clearly the president is frustrated that has come to this, but he remains resolute and determined. he believes that director mueller will find no collusion. it's also important to point out that the president decided to take to twitter to lay out some of this. with all the illegal acts that took place in the clinton camphe obama administration, there is never a special counsel appointed. let me pass along one more tweet while i have you. this is the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in american history. that's getting plenty of retweets as you can imagine. now the man charged with looking into the matter, former fbi director who worked with james
comey, he also worked under presidents bush and obama. the decision to appoint a special counsel fell on rod rosenstein. keep in mind, jeff sessions has recused himself from the probe and its rosenstein's decision that is being held across the political spectrum this morning. >> all of us that new director mueller is very happy he's ther there. that relieves the congress and the executive branch from certain responsibilities, but we still have to move forward. >> right now we understand he has the latitude to start this investigation. if he starts to find new leads, if he wants a more expansive portfolio and has to go back to sessions or rosenstein to get that, whether that's going to be run up the chain. it >> that's the ultimate dream for democrats, to get those
probe to expand and see where ever and might lead them, down this long path of investigations. that's with the white house is saying. however, they also suggest that they're going to come up the same way they've been saying all along, there's been no collusion with the russians. >> jon: kevin corke covering the white house this morning. thank you. >> julie: more team coverage with catherine herridge who is live in washington. what do we expect from this afternoon? >> first of all, this all senate briefing with the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein has been on the books for several days now, so it didn't suddenly happen today as it may appear in light of the decision to appoint a special counsel. the focus of today's briefing for the entire senate is the chain of events leading up to the termination of james comey. rosenstein is a very important figure in that chain of events because he wrote the memo that
made the foundation for the termination drawing on the assessment of former attorneys general both republican and democrat lead director comey had gone outside the lines in that he had damage the fbi justice department though it's important to note to read the memo. he does not specifically call for the termination of comey. that decision was left to the president. >> julie: catherine herridge, thank you so much. we've got more team coverage -- okay, we're moving on. what are we doing people? will be tossing it to jon scott. he'll be talking with jason javits. i want to go back to catherine herridge as we get our ducks in a row here and talk more about the michael flynn revelation.
it's interesting what we hear today about how michael flynn had told the trump administration before he was hired his relationship with turkey. now we are investigating that it's possible at the trump administration knew this and hired him anyway. >> people close to mike flynn confirmed with fox news -- if you are a u.s. person or a u.s. citizen and you are acting on behalf of a foreign government, then you have to let the justice department know about that. the justice department is looking into flynn beginning of november last year over his turkish contacts. we now know he made an excessive $400,000 lobbying on their behalf. this information about the fair investigation was known to members of the trump team and they did not consider it a
disqualifier. we don't quite have the timing that "the new york times" does on the dates which i think. this was known to members of the trump transition team and it did not come out of the box. that's what we love about live tv. >> julie: speaking of tv, you saw the interview with bret baier and vice president mike pence and he had indicated it was the first he heard about the relationship between flynn and turkey and in "the new york times" comes out and says the trump administration and the transition team new and in fact, mike pence was overseeing that. it's a bit of a disconnect ther there. >> will learn a lot about the process about the tick-tock of events, so much coming from anonymous sourcing right now. it's hard to really balance that
to know on the record. it was known to members of the trump transition team and it was not a disqualifier for clinton, but what ultimately disqualified him where the conversations with the vice president about his conversations with the russian ambassador and the conflict that has been duly noted in the media. >> julie: catherine herridge, think you so much. >> jon: the house oversight committee chairman, jason chief it's also weighing in on that "new york times" report. they say and might not have been the right thing to do in hiring him. >> you can argue that he probably shouldn't. he was hired, he was there for over three weeks and then he was dismissed. >> jon: a fox news contributor
is with us. this president is known for his loyalty and apparently, that figured in to giving michael flynn his national security advisor's position. >> looks like he is very loyal to people around him. this is raising one thing we haven't really pointed out yet which is a white house counsel are very important. the white house lawyers, what we're talking about here are very precise federal laws that govern things like representing foreign government and things like that. donald mcgahn was not on the job at that point. there's a sense in which the transition team was operating on its own. i know people disdain the advice of lawyers, but when you're operating the white house, you have to be very, very careful about these laws because they can get you into significant trouble. >> jon: as president trump as
protested, the obama administration gave general flynn his clearance. if i were picking somebody for national security advisor, somebody who had just been a sitting general and worked with the national security agency, i think would be a pretty good peck. >> one of the mysterious things to us during the campaign was all the times that donald trump was saying wonderful things about leonard putin. a large part of that was michael flynn who is saying that he would do business with putin. that was a strategy they were pursuing and that's why he wanted to bring flynn on board. he then failed and got pushed out. tillerson came in, general mattis, trump changed his policy towards russia. that's not just loyalty to michael flynn, trump had in his mind that he wanted to do something with russia. he changed his mind about that and it's become a much more adversarial relationship with
russia. >> jon: you say let trump he trump. you suggest he should take charge of more of the goings-on of this a administration. >> what we're talking about gives you a good indication. donald trump does not like intermediaries between him and the public. he is the most one-on-one president we have had in 100 years. he likes to deal with people directly, all these executives and so forth he is brought into talk to them. i believe that trump should really take responsibility and control of his own messaging operation and for people to say that's part of the problem, that may be part of the problem, but trump is always going to insist that he be able to talk to the public directly i think his idea of holding a press conference every two weeks and doing it himself and not having a house press briefings during that two-week period is not a bad idea >> jon: he's quite fond of andrew jackson. maybe that's approach he needs.
we will have more reaction to this special counsel appointment coming up on "happening now" when the chairman of the senate republican conference joins us. this fox news alert, roger ailes has passed away. if you only know of him what you read in recent months, then you didn't know him. roger almost single-handedly built fox news channel from nothing. it's not possible to pay tribute to his accomplishments in just a few words. the son of a blue-collar worker, roger never forgot his ohio roots, even when he was advising presidents. he was able to spot abilities and people and someone from them their very best work. thousands of us here at fox news and fox business network and other tv networks as well oh, our careers to him. on a personal note, when i was in the darkest period of my
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>> it's the right decision. >> has a great reputation. hopefully it's something that will give the american people some peace and will get to the bottom of this. >> i'm 19 seen any evidence of actual collusion. where is the crime where they think bass need a special prosecutor to prosecute? >> jon: by a partisan reaction to the special counsel to lead the investigation into allegations and to russia meddling in the u.s. election. democrats and many republicans offering support for robert mueller, others are still questioning the need. a senate and house committees also are going ahead with their own investigations. here on the politics of all thi this, . thank you for being here.
jody, you first. are you satisfied with the need for a special counsel and satisfied with the pick of robert mueller? a >> after the firing of comey, there was little choice for rosenstein other than to appoint a special counsel. i think you saw after yesterday, pretty much for the first time, bipartisan support and that was mueller's selection as a special counsel. i think that was important. again today, the president tweeted that this was all a witch hunt. i think the question is now can both sides continue to move forward? these investigations are going to move forward with the white house whether they like it or not. the bipartisan support of the selection is pretty important. >> jon: what about the point that jason chief it's made that he has seen no evidence of any kind of collusion between russia
and the campaign? >> there has been no evidence in terms of trying to sway votes or anything. what the special counsel can now do is go and look for that. if it exists, the special counsel can file charges on tha that. however, there are downsides to the special counsel, despite director mueller being a man of incredible integrity who doesn't care about playing partisan games and seeks knowing the truth. the two downsides are the special counsel, if they find nothing, they can report that they found nothing. they can't outline and say this is what happened in my relation calmed down. the critics of president trump will still be upset. this is also not a completely autonomous special counsel. according to the congressional research service, the special counsel is still subject to the discretion of the attorney general. in this case, the deputy attorney general, rosenstein. they can overturn any decision that the counsel makes.
>> jon: rosenstein has been -- he has served under republicans as well as democratic administration as has robert mueller. you can get more impartial than that. >> i think there are critics who worry about decisions that were overturned by the special counsel. they would call it partisanship. this might heal the public divide and allow us to see what exactly happened in the electio election. >> jon: just breaking, the lawyer for michael flynn has told a top republican on the senate intelligence committee that michael flynn will not testify and will not honor the subpoena from the senate intelligence committee. that coming through michael flynn's lawyer.
that right there sort of illustrates what's going to go on. this argument is going to come out in drips and drips and drips over perhaps months or an investigation the last two years. >> i think it's likely that it's going to last years. that is one of the dangers of a special counsel is that those investigations do tend to not be weeks, and not just, but years. in terms of the political implications, that means this is going to be going through the 2018 election and is probably going to be part of the politics of what happens and november november 2018 and that's why there's a danger here on -- the republicans who take chaffetz's
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>> jon: a fox news alert, every thursday morning, paul ryan, the speaker of the house has his weekly news conference there on capitol hill. we expect that to begin about 5 minutes from now. it will be interesting this morning after the announcement of the appointment of a special counsel to investigate any ties between the russians in the trunk campaign. when the speaker takes the podium, we will take you there live. >> the story today that former
national security advisor, michael flynn, has filed with the department of justice as a foreign agent by making it more than $400,000 from turkey, your reaction to that, considering -- that means that even if he didn't lie to you, that you have had to fire him anyway. >> well, let me say, hearing this, it's the first i've heard of it. i fully support the decision that president trump made to ask for general flynn's resignation. i'm disappointed by the story. the first i heard of it. i think it's an affirmation of the president's decision to ask him to resign. >> julie: there are new questions about comments that vice president pence just made
thereto bret baier. "the new york times" or the playing a different story. president trump's transition team was told weeks before the inauguration that flynn was under investigation for working as a paid lobbyist for turkey. joining us now, tom rogan. first i want to give you some breaking news that we just got in from the associated press that the top republican on the senate intelligence panel is saying that michael flynn's lawyer is saying he will not honor the subpoena. in other words, he will not testify and he has a lot of answers that people want to hear, specifically did he tell president trump's transition team weeks before the inauguration that he was indeed under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for turkey during the campaign? "the new york times" says that conversation did happen. you just heard vice president
mike pence telling bret baier that he had no idea about it. what say you? >> there are two takeaways. number one, michael flynn clearly -- it seems they probably suspect charges that he would not want to go to the hil hill. that might incriminate him in the process of law coming up. the second point is the point of the white house interactions. is the president leading -- is he bringing collections. >> julie: mike flynn is the center of the primary investigation between russia and nbc is reporting that paul manna fort is the primary focus of the fbi investigation to the russian campaign interference.
it is being reported that james comey has more memos coming out on this and he is itching to testify to congress. there are contradictions and credibility issues at stake her here. the white house doesn't necessarily -- a lot of untruths have been revealed through leaks. what more do you expect to come of this? >> the simple answer is a lot. you see the drip, drip, drip which is ascending into a flood come off clinical flood. there is an undercurrent here of stupidity and terms of management of these issues. the best thing about american democracy is that it's hard to keep secrets. it's very hard to conceal major
things that are in congruent with what you suspect especially if you are in the executive base of the white house. i don't know what their strategy was and thinking they could conceal some of this. the political impact, as we are about to see from paul ryan, that's real anger on the hill and its depreciation of trust to the white house, but it was a slow movement away from we have to distance ourselves from trump because the next flood could potentially bring us down as well. >> julie: we are seeing a lot of republicans that are slowly distancing themselves from the president. nevertheless, there needs to be unity, not only on the hill, but on the white house. this man as president. we need to hear more about what vice president pence knew. he knew he was lied to by michael flynn, he did not know about his ties to russia and he should have admitted that and now that's out there in the open. if vice president mike pence did
indeed know that flynn had had these secret exchanges with hundreds of thousands of dollars exchanged with turkey as a lobbyist, that's pretty big. we know pentz is a loyalist to donald trump as as their buddy who works for him in the white house, and it's an interesting line. at what point do they cross that line as a loyalist and be truthful? that's the news we are probably going to be hearing more and more about as we talk about this flood. >> yeah. yeah, that's the issue. we are already seeing that. we are seeing the discontent and the white house and on the hill. politics looks for their own interests. the counterpoint has been bad until now. they believed their loyalty would give them the benefit. at >> julie: thank you very much. we are waiting paul ryan to come out and speak. keep in here. >> jon: his weekly news conference is coming up. of course, the justice department just named a special
counsel in the russia probe, that will likely be the first question thrown to the speaker. also more about the michael flynn controversy. it will also get reaction from south dakota senator coming up. sure we could travel, take it easy... but we've never been the type to just sit back... not when we've got so much more to give when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise ♪
sacrifices made by our police and their families. yesterday, the house acted on a new round of sanctions against the syrian regime in order to cut off resources for a sods war machine. also this week, the house approved landmark i.t. reform legislation that will reduce and enhance security. he is trying bring our government -- as we speak it, the ways and means committee is holding major hearings today on examining progrowth tax reform. progrowth means just that. growth of wages, jobs, opportunity, and growth of our economy. also this week, the workforce committee unanimously approved bipartisan legislation to improve career and technical education. this will make it easier to connect people with the skills
they need to get good paying, and demand jobs. wherever i go, and wisconsin last week, we had a real skill gap between the skills people need to get good jobs and the good jobs that are out there being offered. this is something that we really have to address and i'm very pleased that they're moving part of this legislation. later today, armed services committee chairman, matt thornberry will reveal the third installment in his effort to streamline the pentagon's bureaucracy and improve the way that we develop weapon systems. this is an essential part of our efforts to rebuild our military for the 21st century. ahead of memorial day, the federal affairs committee has approved 11 bells, including bipartisan legislation to fix the va's broken appeals process. this is a problem that we've been working on and tackling for years. undersecretary show can come at the va already taking real strides to get better care, shorter lines, and more peace of
mind. and the senate, our colleagues continue to discuss the path forward on keeping our promise to repeal and replace obamacare. lastly, yesterday, the president signed the 14th congressional review act resolution to stop president obama's last regulatory onslaught that he did last year. up until this year, congress had successfully repealed one regulation under this law. now just this year we've done it 14 times in the last two months. we will end overreach and overregulation come up with us a big promise kept as we work to protect jobs and grow our economy. it's a long list. it is by no means complete. every day here, we are working to advance our agenda and to address the problems that americans face in their everyday lives. questions? >> reporter: senator mcconnell said we could do with less drama from the white house on a lot of things saying basically this could undercutamper your
agenda. you agree? >> speaker ryan: yeah, it's nice to have less that drama. the point i'm trying to make, people in the country need to know that we are busy at work trying to solve their problems. i realize that there are a lot in the media these days. that is an seas of congress. that doesn't stop us from doing our jobs to work on people's problems. one of the reasons i just readied the list of what we've done this week on streamlining i.t. to get waste out of government, make the pentagon more efficient, get tax reform moving, these are things that really affect people in their daily lives. we are working on this. people need to know that we can walk and chew gum at the same time. drama is not helpful in getting things done, but we are still getting things done and that's the important point. >> reporter: a number of congressional meters light with the deputy attorney general at the capitol last night. where you at that meeting and
what's your understanding about why the doj took the step? >> speaker ryan: i was at the meeting. i won't comment on such meetings that are classified. as i said before, i believe that the professionals in the justice department need to do their jobs independently, objectively, and thoroughly, and i believe the special counsel which is robert mueller now, helps them do that. >> reporter: what about the congressional investigation? >> speaker ryan: where keeping these investigations going here. as i always said, the intelligence committees of the right place to do that. this is an investigation involving russia, and involving another country interfering with our elections, so the intelligence committee in my opinion is the best place for that. these bipartisan, investigations, house intelligence committee, senate intelligence committee are to continue in their investigations. reporter mike you mentioned oversight there. the oversight chairman, jason
chaffetz -- is that a conflict? >> speaker ryan: i'm not spoken to jason about that. he has not told me that. i'm not spoken with the chairman about that. >> reporter: people are saying he should step aside. >> speaker ryan: i will find out what he is or isn't doing. i won't comment on something. i would rather hear from them myself. as far as the oversight committee, they've made document requests. that's the oversight committee's responsibility. that's what they do, that's why it's called the oversight committee. it's appropriate that they make these document requests. as i said, with response to intelligence, that's where i think the intelligence, and he should do >> reporter: obviously you've been very close with vice president pence and you talk about trying to continue to move this agenda. considering the maelstrom we've dealt with, there been some
members who have said we might be better with vice president pence. what's your take? >> speaker ryan: i'm not giving credence to that. i'm not giving a comment on that. >> reporter: your members are saying that. >> speaker ryan: it there's no point making a comment on that. >> reporter: the point of a special counsel, does that give you some breathing room to work on this agenda question marks before like i said, the appointment of a special counsel helps assure people and the justice department that they're going to do their jobs independently and thoroughly, which is what we've hoped for all along. i think it was perfectly appropriate to do that. in the meantime, we are continuing to do our jobs. we'll keep the rush investigations going with our intelligence committees and not the energy and commerce committee -- closing the skills gap, getting matt thornberry.
streamlining the way we procure weapons. let's fix people's problems and all of our committees are still doing that. as i said, i know that people consume the news of the day, but we are here working on people's problems every day and we have all of these committees who do different jobs and our job is to make sure that we still make progress for the american people and we are doing that. >> reporter: mr. speaker, thank you. regarding tax reform, there are some people who think that it's beyond this year. >> speaker ryan: our goal is the year 2017 for tax reform. we're making good progress. >> reporter: majority leader mitch mcconnell has said that
he thinks the prospects for border adjustment are rather bleak. what are the alternatives being discussed and is there a way that this border adjustment has a transition that would make it more palatable or some kind of -- 's before you can say yes to all of the above. as a tax writer, you have to weigh alternatives. it is obvious that you can and should have some kind of adjustment and phasing period if you're going to have adjustment. it makes the tax code the most competitive out of any version you're looking at. it removes all tax incentives to move overseas. if you're not going to do voter adjustment, then you have to look at the alternatives to tha that. there's always upsides and
downsides to alternatives. thus the process we are going through right now. we are going through the process of looking at what is the best way to reform the tax code and lower tax rates for businesses and make the american tax system internationally competitive. it's one of the worst attack systems in the industrialized world, we are losing companies who are becoming foreign companies. we have an incentive that basically tells companies, outsource your manufacturing. why are we doing that? we believe, we are working on this. tax reform is so critical. i do believe that there are very serious and legitimate concerns to any tax reform and will have to accommodate those concerned so we moved to new taxes. >> reporter: two questions. following up on rachel's question, you talk about the russian investigation. can you talk about where these questions of mr. trump's relationship with james comey should fall? he said he want to get the facts on that.
and on health care, insurers are getting ready to set rates. is there any possibility that whatever comes out of congress will affect next year or we looking to years down the road? >> speaker ryan: i'll defer you to csr payments. we have a deadline, monday if i'm not mistaken. we'll meet that deadline. it will do a status report. that issue is still unresolved. i would have to defer you. >> reporter: on the question -- >> jon: the headline rocking this morning is a special counsel has been appointed by the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein to look into the matter of any potential russian influence in the election. if you the speaker of the house say we've got a lot of other things to do on capitol hill and we are doing them. one of the things he promised will happen in 2017 is tax reform. for more reaction, let's get to
south dakota senator, chairman of the senate. it's good of you to spend some time with us today. what do you think about that big picture, is it so much attention being paid to the special counsel, michael flynn, the investigation and so forth, that it's paralyzing capitol hill? >> good morning. i think we heard the speaker say is we are multitasking. you're right, the news cycle is constant. there's a new story every day and creates a new distraction, but the work of the congress proceeds. we are going to a meeting from here to talk about health care reform and the senate approach to that. i introduced yesterday a bill that i hope will be a marker for tax reform. we are at the senate's version of tax reform, we already have a house proposal, the white house has weighed in with a set of principles, those are important issues. they matter to people and we are focused on jobs and the economy and higher wages, and that's our
agenda and it continues notwithstanding what's happening in the daily news cycle with respect to the president and a special prosecutor. spill in the house and senate investigations, the intelligence committees are going to continue their investigations on what went on vis-a-vis michael flynn and the russian contacts. >> they are. the senate intelligence many is well underway. they were working on this for several months as is the house. that continues, but it will be relegated. in the congress, we have lots of different committees that deal with different issues. our agenda is very focused. he will get us out of this 1.5% growth pattern that we've been in for the past years under under president obama. we need better paying jobs, higher wages, and a health care system that works and is more affordable for the american people. those of the things we are
focused on now and will continue to stay focused on that and allow this other stuff to continue the same time. >> jon: the president has described this as a political witch hunt and has said he is being treated more -- with gross unfairness especially when compared with the obama administration and the clinton campaign. you have a thought on that? >> the president needs to be as responsive as he possibly can. if i were him, i would want to get these questions answered quickly and honestly and put this issue behind me, because i do believe that for him, in order for him to stay focused on the agenda he was elected to accomplish for the american people, that's where he needs to put his attention. the quicker he can respond to all of this stuff, i don't think you can diminish or downplay the role the special counsel will play. they need to get the answers out
there quickly and move forward and focus on the african peoples agenda. >> jon: also want to get a little more from you on that legislation he introduced this week. the business expenses, that could be folded into a bigger senate tax proposal. how would that help the economy? >> the two things we think could make america an attractive place to invest. one of the big ones as we have to get the rates down. we are not competitive in the global marketplace. jobs are moving overseas, so we have to lower rates for businesses in this country. the other thing is to allow them to recover costs more quickly. small and medium-size businesses are an engine for economic growth. what my bill does is it frees up capital for those types of businesses to invest and expand their operations, to raise jobs, raise wages. that's what our bills focus on and it will hopefully wrap into a larger tax reform effort.
>> julie: very sad fox news alert on the death of our founder here, roger ailes. the former chairman of fox news passed away this morning at the age of 77. i'm joined now by former congressman, dennis kucinich, democrat from ohio. like roger ailes, the congressman rose from pretty humble beginnings in ohio. despite the political differences, he called him a friend. i want to thank you very much for talking about your friendship and your history with roger, as we all have a history with roger here. what would you like to say? >> first of all, elizabeth and i
would like to extend to beth and zach ailes or deep love. we've been close friends with them for many years. this is a personal loss. i want to say that roger and i had different perspectives. the one thing we agreed on was our love of country. he loved america very deeply, totally committed. we had a perspective that when we shared it, it wasn't about compromise, it was about respect and a basis for building the country. roger ailes was a close friend of mine and i'm going to miss him. i tell you, it's really a loss. >> julie: roger was a self-made man. he was born in warren ohio in 1940. he prided himself on telling people that story because he wanted people to know his rags-to-riches story. he was sort of the american
dream in that he was a middle child of a physically abusive father who worked as a supervisor at an automobile plant. he had a tough mom, wasn't necessarily the warmest woman in his life. he had a big heart, though obviously he had his own personal troubles. he had a lack of trust in people, something i believe he had always attributed to his da dad. how did his upbringing shape the man? >> at roger and i would talk about those days in ohio, his dad worked -- he spoke of how as a young man, he was digging ditches. when you think of a man who makes it to the head of a network he created and yet, when you go back to his early years, here's someone who rose from very humble beginnings. he and i shared this experience of growing up in ohio. it was probably part of what
>> jon: will be back in an hour. "outnumbered" starts now. >> sandra: fox news alert, roger ailes, a television pioneer and founder of fox news has died. he spent much of his career advising presidents, including ronald reagan. he launched fox news in 1996 and changing the media landscape forever. howard kurtz is live in washington with more. at this news coming as quite a shock to many of us this morning. >> as shock to me as well. roger ailes had an undeniable impact in everything he did. he was a colorful and confidential character before he advised ronald reagan and he took richard nixon and helped get him elected through his