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through out the night on the fox news channel. so keep it right here. in the meantime, thank you for watching "special report," i am bill hemmer. "the story" with martha maccallum comes awry next. see you tomorrow morning. >> breaking tonight, we have brand-new video of the aftermath in barcelona, spain. the hunt is ongoing for the driver of the van who is now considered to be the most wanted man in europe. he plunged his vehicle into a crowd of hundreds, mowing down and killing 13 individuals. he injured at least 100. he is now believed to be on the run, and out there somewhere in the middle of the night in barcelona. good evening, everybody. i am martha maccallum. and this is "the story." we also know that there were two explosions that appear to have happened at homes where bombs or bomb making could have gone awry. yesterday, and then again today.
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this is the first visual that we have now of the aftermath. we are waiting for video. you will see that in a moment as well. in between the two explosions, the now all-too-familiar and jarring path of a van that plows into human beings throughout enjoying a beautiful evening in barcelona just hours ago. isis now saying that these are their killers. trace gallagher has been covering this all day. watching it with all of us at fox news. and quite a few moving parts in this story. what is the latest? >> well, the early information, martha, coming from authorities in spain was confusing and in three languages. for most of the day we were told that the driver of the van that sped down la rambla trying to kill as many people as possible was in custody. as you said, we know that the driver is still on the run. apparently disappearing into the crowd during the mayhem after the attack.
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there are two suspects who are in custody, but neither of them was arrested at the scene in barcelona. instead, one was arrested in the town of -- where the van was rented. and the second was arrested in elk in order to pray to the side of the two deadly explosions. one was last night. another tonight. on scene in both of those trying to link together the pieces. police believe that the explosions are linked to the attack on las ramblas, but very unclear how. and police to acknowledge the two suspects in custody may be a part of a bigger cell. meantime in spain's catalonia region, a man who tried to run down police at a traffic blockade who was shot and killed was initially linked to the van attack in barcelona, but now police say that there is no connection. and to confuse matters more, police also released the name and picture of a man that they thought was the driver of the van in las ramblas, but that man walked into a barcelona police
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station identifying himself saying that his i.d. had been stolen. isis has now claimed responsibility. releasing a statement saying that the attack was carried out by soldiers of the islamic state. targeting countries trying to drive isis out of iraq and syria. today's bloodshed was spain's deadliest attack since 2004 when al qaeda killed 192 people in coordinated bombings on madrid's commuter trains. >> martha: thank you very much. the trace will be with us throughout the evening covering the breaking news story. if the next guest is in barcelona. she was having lunch with a friend on las ramblas at the moment that this attack them in. she started to see people running for their lives. police ordered everyone to get inside wherever they could pray to the restaurant that she ran into pull down the metal shutters, and she recorded this video from inside. watch. >> we do not know what is happening.
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and one of the waiters showed us photos of what was happening. all we could see where the bodies. like we are fine. but so scared. >> martha: there was a view from where she was. alana fearon from ireland, wrapping up a holiday in spain before heading back home. she joins us now. alana, it has been an unbelievable day for you. talk to us about what you are feeling at that moment when you made the recording. >> yes, obviously it was a bit of a serious scary situation to be in, because we were caught up in panic, but we did not know why or what was happening. and so, we were really scared. and there was a small gap in the shutter that i could see outside from where i had taken -- it
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looked like a ghost town, but there were police everywhere. blue flashing lights, and all you could hear was the ambulanc ambulance. after about 45 or 50 minutes, the shutter went up, and -- solid 20 minutes of not being able to move anywhere. and we were told to get back inside. the shutter went down again. and although we knew was apparently there were two men, and that there was a possible hostile situation. the shutters went down again, and then we really started to panic. we did not know what was going on. and we were surrounded by siren sirens. and pandemonium. >> martha: alana, thank you. we are glad that you are okay. we watched your video and the story of seeing people in the van go by with guns hanging out the door. this is obviously the kind of
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thing that we have all witnessed. but to actually be living through it and realizing in real time that this is happening to you must be so terrifying. we thank you very much for sharing your story with us tonight. we hope you get back to ireland soon. if you look back to made the first, the state department issued a warning to all americans about summer travel in europe. it said this, "extremists continue to focus on tourist locations, transportation hubs, markets, shopping malls, u.s. citizens should exercise additional vigilance in these and similar locations, in particular during the upcoming summer travel season when large crowds may be common." it went on to say that terrorists will likely use vehicles as ramming devices. so tonight, here we are with death and destruction in the beautiful city of barcelona. i'm joined now by lieutenant cornel, a cia trained operative.
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and mia bloom is a terrorism expert and author of "dying to kill." let me start with you, mia, you say that you came across some interesting things on social media. looking at isis with regards to this attack today. >> well, right away when there is an attack, the person that i do as i see what is isis saying about it. so we saw that isis made a claim of responsibility on a semi official channel. almost right away. it did not wait a day or two days as we have seen in some of the previous attacks. the other thing was, very interesting that in previous issues of the magazine, and even more recently in june, they have been circulating videos of how to do these kinds of attacks precisely to try to inspire individuals to get in the car and graham civilians. in order to cause mass casualty attacks.
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so they have been trying to inspire these attacks. they put it in the magazine. they put instructions how to on there. that's on the encrypted platforms. so this is directly out of the isis playbook. >> martha: 20, what do you think about the attack today? >> it is as horrific as it gets. some news outlets i have not been able to verify independently, but reported ci -- spain coming into this specific warning. i'm not surprised by that. mike pompeo has doubly increase the pace of cia's game quite a bit. and to the point of what we are talking about, social media. this is a pattern that we need to look at more seriously. we saw this on the attack in benghazi, we saw this before the eagles of death metal attack. against the ban in paris. and clearly, social media issues something, we have to pay attention to it. and i have a lot of questions on the network about can we get
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ahead of us? we can, we have to study how they do things online. we have to go back to the methodology of espionage, getting people on the inside. we have had people like, chelsea manning, bradley manning, whatever you want to call him, and others who have compromised our capability to do technical collections. we have to go to the old-fashioned methodology. in social media is one of the areas where we can study a lot of patterns and try to get ahead of what they are doing based on the fact that they are starting to not only telegraphed things, but i think there are ways of seeing what they are going to do. >> martha: so true. mia, it looks like they were building bombs in at least two locations. and time and time again you have the rows of flowers that come out the following day. everything across twitter, the solidarity movement with the beautiful cities that have been attacked and people have lost their lives. and yet, we start to find out that people were on social media and looking things up, doing internet searches, so we have
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all this surveillance, and yet, we cannot seem to get ahead. >> well, it is very difficult added to the fact that many of the platforms that i do my research on are not open api in the sense that it is not something that you could google. it is not something -- you actually have to be on these encrypted platforms in these very limited chat rooms. and so, i agree with mr. schaefer, you do have to do the traditional intelligence gathering, but you have to do so almost undercover on the social platforms. >> i could not agree more. >> martha: but doesn't that happen? i would assume that the intel agencies have the same access that you do to these places. is there protections that are in place that we need to rethink? >> there is. sorry, go ahead, mr. schafer? >> no, you're right. we were going down the path. we cannot get as much access as she does based on restrictions. this is something i met with and
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briefed leadership on last year. i brought in a group of experts who outlined how we are failing in this area. as to what she can do as a citizen does not match what you should be able to do. >> martha: how can that be? >> that was totally crazy. but she is looking at the right place, clearly. >> martha: that is stunning. >> i have to agree, one of the challenges have been coming you know, in order for me to do what i do, i speak eight languages. i'm doing this in a number of different languages. even though i am following strict ethical requirements, when i talk to different agencies, they cannot do what i am doing. they have told me it's too expensive, too time-consuming. we do not have the linguistic capabilities to get in and read the stuff in these languages and translate it and get it fast enough. >> she is qualified, she does her job, but the failure of leadership in dnc i to do the hard work to invest in people like her to get the job done. that's how sad it is. >> martha: that's a wake-up call. thank you very much to both of
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you. good to see you. coming up next, the cia may have known a bit about the terror plot for months, we now know that isis has wanted to strike spain for years. why is that? why spain? and what does this attack tell us about what may be next? dr. robert pape studying thousands of isis videos, came across one today that specifically warned about this. raising the question about why the intelligence is not seen that? mark studying the attack like this one that have brought to europe of late for years. and he knows what is going on here as well. both are coming up next. ♪ >> [speaking foreign language] [sirens]
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>> this latest attack, the worst terror attack on spanish soil since the 2004 madrid train bombings, showing us that radical islamic terrorism is one of the greatest threats we face today. isis has taken credit for this
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barbaric attack. but whoever is responsible should know that the united states of america together with our allies will find and punish those responsible and to drive the evil of radical islamist terror from the face of the earth. >> martha: our first look at that, coming in moments ago. vice president mike pence sending a strong message to the attackers. a spanish media reports at the cia warned them that la rambla, this beautiful pedestrian and car area with lots of shops lining and cafes in the middle of barcelona, they warned them that this could happen. and that's warning according to the spanish reports came in about two months ago. so if that is true, the intelligence was certainly and sadly quite accurate. isis did claim responsibility, quickly. as mia bloom was saying. a couple of hours after this. there have been post calling for attacks on spanish tourist hot spots as well. and saying we will recover our land from the invaders. spain was a muslim country for
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700 years. ending in the 15th century. it is part of their spoken mission to take it back. fox news chief intelligence catherine herridge joins me now from washington. she has been talking to her intelligence sources all day on this. here with the latest. good evening, catherine. >> the spanish authorities are connecting the attack within an explosion last night in a town 90 miles away. what may be a bomb making factory. police telling reporters that two suspects connected to the attack are in custody, but not the driver of the white van. counterterrorism source telling fox at the evidence is consistent with the small more complex plots rather than the lone actor. fox news has told the intelligence agencies that they are reviewing the watch lists and databases to see if the suspects identified by spanish authorities were known to homeland security, the nation's threat analysis, the fbi as well as others. and whether the suspects were
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blocked from entering the u.s. because of their suspected terror ties. spain is part of the visa waiver program. almost immediately, isis social media accounts celebrated the attack in barcelona. these accounts are known in counterterrorism circles as fan boys, not to leadership accounts. but not long after the news agency, the mouthpiece for isis claimed responsibility. but not clear whether the individuals were inspired by isis, directed by isis, or simply opportunistic. spain, as you mention, has not been traditionally part of the isis online conversation. in july, and isis affiliated telegram account mention barcelona specifically. our contact says that it was flagged to law enforcement, as you also mention, the barcelona newspaper reporting that the cia warned the spanish counterparts in recent months about isis targeting the city. and specifically the area which is very much like times square in new york. or the shop to lizzie in paris
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which has been targeted by isis as well. >> martha: here now with more, and american enterprise scholar who has studied vehicular attacks for years. he is also a fox news contributor. and dr. robert pape, director of the chicago project on security and terrorism, both experts in the field. good to see you both tonight. thank you for being here. >> yes, thank you for having me. >> martha: dr. pape, let me start with you. you have a database that studies the behavior of every suicide bomber that you contract, so we are trying to put together the pieces of who is involved here. but what can you get from it so far? >> well, we have a database of 1400 isis videos, the complete set of isis videos. over the last three years. and studying particularly the isis videos really gives us insight as to what has been happening. so particularly since the fall
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of mosul, isis has been calling over and over for individuals, inside of the country that are bombing or otherwise directing military activity against isis to attack those countries. rather than to leave those countries and travel to syria. in the past, if we look at the videos, and the recruitment appeals, a very different pattern. they did call for individuals to attack in those countries, but many of the videos were calling for travelers. people to leave. in the last few months since mosul fell, you are seeing a dramatic shift in the video propaganda which is the heart of isis's threat to the west. >> martha: i just want to point out, i'm going to get to you in just a moment. a learning spanish police telling us that there is an operation that is ongoing at this hour outside of barcelona. we also have, so far, our
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understanding, and the story has changed throughout the day that the van driver, the person who plowed these human beings down in cold blood is out there somewhere. so we are going to keep a very close -- >> if i could just act, this would not be weird. what we also have done is studied the networks of the cells that have been plotting, particularly in the united states and europe, and what we see our networks. we see networks of friends, networks of relatives, and undoubtedly, one of the things driving the authorities in spain to be looking for connections. >> martha: you know, mark, you have studied this in depth as well. and the guy who we originally thought this was walked into the police and said that his brother took the papers in the car. your thoughts? >> what is really important about what the doctor is saying is that we have to listen to the words of the enemy. they tell us what they are going to do. the fact is seven years ago, al qaeda and the geary opinion
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peninsula published an article called the ultimate milling machine, which urged jihadists to pick up the truck as a mowing machine to mow down the enemies of a la, and went into great detail how to go into the attacks. they have carried out these attacks in nice, berlin, stockholm, ohio state university, now barcelona killing over 100 people. why is outsourcing really important? because just this month, the latest issue of inspired just came out, and it urges them to carry out tracks clinic attacks on trains. they have a list in the magazine of train routes in the united states. the number one target twisted and here is the corridor between washington and new york and d.c. they have an 18 page guide in there to how to build a derailment device. so we have seen that the enemy tells us what they are planning to do. and we need to take the words of the enemy seriously, because we have seen for a particular
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attacks following the pattern, no it will be trains. >> martha: in that material, saying that they should put the devices on the tracks, not long before the train comes across bread because they do check the tracks from time to time. so they don't have a whole lot else to do, dr. pape. this is what they spend their time doing, tracking the movements of the sorts of things and figuring out when the right moment is to plant something there. we need to be very vigilant. >> we need to be very vigilant and realize that they practice. they review in detail past attacks to make better and improved attacks into the future. these are not first -- just amateurs getting lucky here or there appeared to be his who are practicing and then they are putting on the web what they have learned from their best practices. and actually, the content is really at the heart, as mark is saying. and it is difficult to get a grip on, because let's say the 1400 isis videos, that is over
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300 solid hours of content. which is why it took us the research team of 25 people at the university of chicago to find out what was in there. >> martha: hopefully it will lead to uncovering some of the plots. we need to pay close attention to the train plot. as you point out, they do generally exactly what they say they are going to do. gentlemen, thank you so much. great to have both of you with us tonight. coming up next, the shocking video showing a boatload of migrants unloading onto the shores in spain while everybody is out there on holiday. can you imagine this happening, you are at the beach, suddenly people are rushing across the beach in black, heading into the hills? we are going to talk about what this means. rahim because hom says is contributing to the terror epidemic in europe, he is with us tonight coming up next. >> you hear screams of people to my left commands when i looked up, saw the white lines. and it must have been
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>> oh, my god. they have someone on the street. they have someone on the street. there are five police officers
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on top of one guy. everybody is running out their windows. the ten police officers running towards them. all on top of him. i can see that they are hitting him. they are all piling on top of him. this is crazy. >> martha: obviously, ongoing, nerves are on edge. there was a little bit earlier today. shepard smith was speaking to a woman who was a witness on the street there. we are watching the story that i mentioned a few moments ago. which is breaking news about an ongoing operation about an hour and a half outside of barcelona. the spanish police reportedly conducting that operation. we don't know whether or not they are -- thinking that they may be on to somebody else involved, or perhaps a man involved in driving the van. by telling residents that they need to lock themselves inside their homes as this unfolds. and we are waiting for any video that comes and of that operation. as soon as we get that, we will put it up and show it to you as we continue to take a look at what is happening tonight. still on the run in terms of the
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main culprit here as far as we can tell. but of course, spain as a country that is seeing site skyrocketing numbers of migrants storming the country's beaches command that is not a metaphor. here's the vote arriving, people arriving, wondering what is happening. our next guest says that this is part of the reason, he believes, that europe is suffering the terror attacks. first we will go to trace gallagher with the latest on the numbers in this growing crisis in europe. good evening again. >> you look at that video, considering that from early yesterday morning until early this morning, spain's rescue service, the current coast guard, 600 migrants, including 35 children in the strait of gibraltar, that's a water that separates spain from morocco. several more were picked up further east of the mediterranean. all told, the highest single day recovery effort in over three years. officials say that the migrants
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were rescued in 15 vessels, the majority of which were nothing more than cheap toy paddle boats without motors. not exactly seaworthy. so far this year, 9000 migrants have reached spain by c. three times as much as last year. the country says that the agency cannot handle it. citing the shortage of police, interpreters, and accommodations. the problem is compounded, an increase of women and children becoming victims of human trafficking. because of the rising in migration, span could soon overtake greece as the second most popular destination for migrants in europe. the number one destination is still in italy which has seen over 100 100 from libya alone. and if 57 drop in arrival from june-july. meaning that migrants are going elsewhere like spain. experts say increased control by the coast guard, bad weather, the unrest in libya may be
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reasons why more people are attempting to reach spain instead. the death rates among migrants are also increasing. 113,000 migrants that attempted to enter europe this year more than 2300 died at sea, 119 of those deaths by trying to reach spain. martha. >> martha: trace, thank you very much. the breitbart news london editor in chief, the author of "no-go zone." how sharia law is coming to you. welcome back to the program. you look here at these pictures coming in to hear about the thousands of people coming across to the basically low-hanging fruit to countries that are right across from the middle east and northern africa, the easiest places to get to. a combination of tragedy and desperation for so many families, but also some percentage of danger presented here. >> yes, absolutely pretty incredible if you look at the number of people suffering from
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the results of the human traffic themselves. and the little boats that they put them on in the sea. many dying and suffering as a result of that train and people, coming from turkey and parts of north africa as well. you would think that we would have some semblance of introspection over this. maybe we do not allow the boats to come over. maybe we do not start rescuing people who have been human traffic there, bringing them into europe. it is the pull factor, only encouraging the human traffickers to carry on the trade. australia had the same problem. their solution was to turn the vote back. you may not land illegally in australia and then the claim citizenship and all the rights of residents. actually of the problems ceased. europe has not gotten to grips with that he had. obviously not just that problem we are talking about, barcelona today, i guarantee you that the guy that we know, two spanish enclaves in the north of africa,
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these are areas that are hotly under dispute, and areas where thousands of migrants, literally every week are storming the gates of these areas. trying to race their way into europe. you see it in that video that you showed. >> martha: in so many cases, we have seen that it is homegrown terrorism. maybe second generation, young men who have grown up in england or grown up in france disgruntled for whatever reason, finding and identifying with the groups. you studied what you call the snow-go zones. and it is likely that there are areas perhaps like this where these people who perpetrated this today came from? >> while, we know that's barcelona has some neighborhoods like this. not too far away from where the attack happened. so it is completely possible. we do not want to jump to conclusions like some other people out there do you very, very quickly. but we will wait and see, but there is a high likelihood of this. i've not just study them, i've
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lived them. i lived in london most of my life, i've seen these places come to fruition. i've traveled to sweden, brussels, to the suburbs, and i see what goes on in the neighborhoods. how second-generation immigrants who grew up in muslim families, people like me, people with my name, my complexion that look like me were being taken in by radical fundamentalist islam, having their minds opposed to remain poisoned and doing things like this. i know what the conveyor belt looks like. i know how people get there. the problem is, i can scream about it until i am blue in the face. but unless we have policy solutions aimed at antique ghettoization, antisegregation, and stop putting people in the migrants ghettos, that we are going to see this sort of stuff. >> martha: raheem kassam, of breitbart in london. so tonight, more on the devastating terror attacks that we watch it unfold today in barcelona. so shocking and so sad. perhaps the most well-known
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that they need to avoid going out into the street, that they should lock themselves in their homes. which as i have said, 70 miles outside of barcelona. you can see the other locations where we have seen activity, also all canard. but right now there is ongoing police action in the town of cambril. we will keep you posted. obviously, that is breaking news as we speak. an incident that is being worked at this hour. my next guest is a was only a matter of time before isis turned towards vehicular attacks. and he should know, he has been more times with terrorists and most people will. the psychologist known for interrogating top al qaeda operatives, also the author of "enhanced interrogation." trying to just droid america -- doctor, good to have you with us
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on "the story." we talked about the case that just settled that you were involved in. but it also weaves in with everything we are talking about. to tell your reaction to this particular ongoing operation and what happened in barcelona today. >> i think it is a horrible tragedy. it is a horrible tragedy brought about by people who have adopted the most hateful aspects of this radical islamic ideology. asked to lewdly no regard for innocent life. they need to be hunted down and i know people say brought to justice, but i think america should focus on finding them and killing them. >> martha: you are involved in the interrogation and coming up with the enhanced interrogation techniques that were used on many of the top lieutenants, if i can call them that who were involved in the 9/11 attacks. and the war on terror after
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9/11. three of those individuals, video coming in and the operation, we will keep an eye on it. life at 1:33:00 a.m. in barcelona, spain. you will believe that the attacks were useful, and that case settled involving three individuals. but when you look at the ongoing fight here, doctor, how does all of that inform your feeling on it? >> my feelings on the fight? i think one of the things involved with these folks is excessive political correctness. i admire our religious freedom. i don't think we should turn our backs on it. but one of the things that mohammed told me was our religious freedom actually acts as a cloaking device that allows them to move into the neighborhoods and set up these enclaves to put in place the precursors of radicalization. long before any laws are broken. and that the concerns about privacy, surveillance, and
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political correctness, all contribute to that. he views that as a gift from allah. at that allows them to operate without being challenged, and that is one of the things that we are seeing. he told me in 2004, 2005 that low-tech, lone wolf, small network attacks were likely to be the wave of the future. because it was so difficult and so expensive to mount the mask catastrophic attacks that you could bring in western people to their needs. they are not targeting the military. they are not targeting the financial system. they are targeting the minds of citizens. they hope to do is to make a so frightened that when they ratchet up sharia law in the midst, like your last guest was alluding to, when they ratchet that up, we will be so scared, we will be so weary, so tired that in the words of mohammed,
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we will expose our next so that they can slaughter us. >> martha: doctor, thank you very much. we just saw how easy it is. we saw the van being taken away on the back of the truck. all he had to do was rent a van for the day. dance that was the entire preparation. doctor, thank you very much. good to see you again. >> glad to be on, thank you. >> martha: we will keep you updated on the manhunt underway in barcelona, also the ongoing operation happening 70 miles outside of barcelona. we will continue to watch this big story that is making news. also news here at home tonight, the fight surrounding confederate monuments in the united states. this is not going away, because there are number of demonstrations that are coming that we are watching quite closely. tony perkins and juan williams joining me on that coming up next. or make me feel like i'm not really "there."
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>> martha: breaking news in spain at this hour, as an operation is underway in the city of cambrils, locating on the map. between barcelona and all canar canard. please operation there for a possible terrorist attack. and to the police warning everyone they are, if you are there, avoid going out to pay to
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stay put, lock yourself in your home, and that is the latest warning for the people who are no doubt terrified in that town at this hour, 1:00, 1:30 in the morning in spain. so we will keep a close eye on that. in the meantime, we also want to talk about the statues issue that recognize the civil war, so why is there a 2017 battle over war that was fought in the 1800s? statues are disappearing in the dark of night. some are being tumbled by citizens taking the situation into their own hands. these confrontations are just beginning. richmond, virginia, florida just among the places where we know by watching some of the groups online they are planning new demonstrations over the course of the coming weeks. the president tweeted this. "sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. you....."
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"can't change history, but you can learn from it. robert e lee, stonewall jackson -- who's next, washington, jefferson? so foolish! also..." cory booker's and pushing to have them removed from the capital. there are several that are there. nancy pelosi is on board on that. as are others. tony perkins, president of the research council, and juan williams, cohost of "the five. good to see you. one, let me start with you. your reaction to the president statement today? >> i think it is one-sided. i guess he understands that it excites some part of his political base. people who see him as nonpc. but in reality, to me, this is not about some dwelling efforts to revise history. this is about an effort to take down monuments, monuments are for the living. at the moment they have become symbols that excite hatred and division in the society. so i think in terms of moral leadership and clarity you would say, this is too much. this is exciting the neo-nazis,
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the white supremacist, they are using it as recruiting tools, evidence that they are under attack. and for resentment and the rank. i think that there is a moment where you can say, this is part of our history. may may be of the lungs as we saw in south carolina, nikki haley, the u.n. ambassador, let's move the flag into a museum. we certainly teach the history of the civil war in our schools, these monuments for the most parts were erected not in the immediate aftermath of the civil war, but really in the early part of the 20th century when the kkk was on the move. >> martha: let's look at some numbers here. i want to put up some holes about how people feel about thi this. 62% say that they would like them to remain. these monuments as a historic symbol, 27% say that they should be removed. 11% are onshore. in regards to how the president handled it all. 52% say that his response was not strong enough on this. a 27% say it was.
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20% say untrue. tony perkins, your thoughts and your reaction to all of this? >> martha, i respect one's feelings and the others, for a moment, let's pause and look at what is happening in barcelona. not unrelated to this. i think it is a very dangerous time. very dangerous world. as a former law enforcement officer, one that worked in antiterrorism prayer that this is a dangerous time if we are a divided nation. and in the last five days, we are a divided nation. and what we have to do, we have to address it from a standpoint of, hey, we have to quit shouting over each other and start talking to each other. i think we need to take a pause, feelings are high on both sides of this. i don't think we are going to accomplish anything by raising the volume. i've called on the president to ask for the nation to come for a day of prayer and reconciliation. we have hit the pause button, let the emotions go down and
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think through this paid a look to god who is the one who gives value to each and every human life regardless of their color, regardless of where they came from. because this is a dangerous time for america. we cannot succeed as if we are a divided nation. >> martha: well put, i think a day of prayer, something that -- one, do you think that is a good idea? >> i love it. that's something we can shake hands on right now. the idea of people talking and healing is at the forefront of my mind. i do not like the hostility and division. we are americans. tony and i are christians, but we are americans. the idea of somehow finding a way to communicate rather than playing culture wars would be ideal. >> martha: i don't think anybody cares what the neo-nazis feel about the statues. i think the rest of us need to decide the best route forward. tony perkins, thank you so much. juan williams, good to see you as well. we will take a quick break, be right back with more of the
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>> martha: stay tuned, continuing breaking coverage of the ongoing operation and of the terror attack in barcelona all night right here on on fox new. status "the story" ." "tucker carlson tonight" is up next. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert, terror hitting the streets of barcelona, spain, today. a truck into a -- 13 people have been confirmed dead so hard. many are gravely injured, the total of injured over 100 at this hour. at the spanish prime minister saying that the attack was both an active g how do you terrorism, isis has claimed credit, and one is a spanish ci, the other is from morocco. at this hour, the driver of the van remains added to you looming large. president trump condemning the attack saying that the u.s. will do whatever is necessary to help spain. the


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