caused comments on tweeters. maybe he should come to washington. thanks for inviting us into your home. that's it for "special report." fair, balanced and unafraid. "the story with martha maccallum" starts now. >> martha: thanks. good to see you tonight. this stunning story: breaking tonight: an american held captive by islamic terrorists have a shocking tale of detray -- betrayol. he managed to escape from terrorists in syria. matt schrier, but it was just the beginning of what he viewed as a failure on his behalf by the united states government. a far cry from the programses that president obama made to him in 2015. >> these families have suffered enough and they should never

feel ignored or victimized by their only government. my message to every american held unjustly from around the world is that the united states of america will never stop working to reunite you with your family. >> martha: matt schrier blames his nightmare on robert mueller and james comey. catherrine has been digging into this story. >> we have been investigating matt schrier's story for 3 weeks. it's extraordinary he lived to tell it. most americans were savagely executed. >> not every fbi agent is bad, but the ones that are bad need to be weeded out. the ones who let them be bad need to be exposed. >> matt schrier the first hostage to escape syria wants

answers from fbi leadership and former director robert mueller. >> i emailed them probably between my mother, father and me between 50 to 100 complaints. >> after james comey took over the stone walling continued. >> i was demanding answers from him. i never got anything back. >> as a freelance photographer matt schrier traveled to syria. in 2012 syria was one of the most dangerous places on the planet. >> it would be a great experience photographing history. >> december 31, 2012, you became a captive. >> new year's eve. a special day. >> matt schrier was kidnapped by an al-qaeda franchise. >> the worst of the worst in syria. >> isis pushed them out, but at that time i were number 1.

the guys you did not want to be held by. >> were you tortured? >> yes, they flip you over and take a cable as thick as a night stick and whack your feet. >> 6 weeks after his disappearance matt schrier drained his bank account. >> how did they get your passwords? >> they put a piece of paper in front ofny and said write down all of your passwords. >> what did they buy? >> laptops and boots. >> and crazy stuff too? >> yes, cologne. >> matt schrier said the fbi monitored the transitions and the agent misled his mother implying he joined al-qaeda and he was on a spending spree for the terrorists. >> what are they buying? laptops and tablets. if they intercept them they do

their little spy thing and deliver them into the hands of al-qaeda and create a dream come true for the intelligence agency. >> the fbi sacrificed your safety to track al-qaeda? >> yes. >> that's a big allegation to make. >> i can prove it. >> by april 2013 an agent tipped her hand during a conversation with a government official. >> did you join them? no. she split. he was monitoring my financial records. >> a government official confirmed the account to fox. five years after his escape he documented his story in a new book and remains angry at how the fbi handled his case. >> i needed a new social security number and i can't get

a credit card to this day. you give new social security numbers to pimps and murderers. nope, we can't help you. >> he said the cia and fbi debriefed him. >> you gave the u.s. intelligence community a road map. >> i gave them more information than 50 informants could have given him. >> the fbi declined to answer specific questions. to this day, matt schrier continues to get the bureaucratic run around. >> what i got in return was lies, betrayol. nothing. >> that's quite a story. they realized he was an in for them. he gets captured. he has his laptop and they are tapping into that connection because the laptop was taken over by terrorists. what about him?

>> well, he said in the knew interview, that he can't find evidence that the lifted a finger to secure his release. the records indicate that the fbi had visibility into his financial records and could see al-qaeda -- i mean in one purchase, 10 laptop computers. that's not typical behavior of any consumer. >> martha: they are using that information to follow the trail to where the boots are going? >> well, we asked matt schrier for specific evidence it was tracked. he said if you connect the dots, this explanation makes the most sense. we know from talking to intelligence officials, this is a tremendous opportunity to gather intelligence. in 2012 and 2013, we were almost blinded to what was happening in

syria. he didn't understand the connection between al-qaeda and isis. his allegation is a very serious allegation. >> martha: that they sacrificed him? >> to gather intelligence. what we don't know whether this was a one time or a pattern followed with other hostage families. >> martha: and she said we think he turned? >> well, we don't know her side of the story. the fbi would not make her availables to us because these are serious allegations. the paper work, when he is a hostage whoever has his password they are draining his account. there is not the actions of someone operating as a journalist in syria. >> martha: great investigation.

thank you very much, catherine. tomorrow night matt schrier will join us on the "story" and go into more details about how did he escape and get out from this brutal terrorists organization and why he can no longer stay silent about what he calls his abandonment by the u.s. government. judge andrew napolitano, you have listened to this story. what do you make of this? >> it's clear that they abandoned him or that they used him as a means to gather intelligence information with utter recklessness and carelessness about matt schrier the human being. i am sorry to say for catherine and me and you, this is no surprise. but i am glad are bringing this story to light because it's a surprise to the american public that this is the way the

government sometimes treats people who are helpless and even people whose help has been promised by the president himself. the programs was specious and the fbi could care less about him as a human being. >> martha: you it should have fallen on the state department? >> yes, i did. the fbi should not have given mr. matt schrier's family the false impression this was their job. it is the job of the state department with the defense department to follow occupy where these people are and do their darnest to bring about their safety and their safe return to the country. >> martha: is there any obligation on the part of the government to tell his family

the truth? as you point out and we have to remember we were watching people throats get slashed and people get assassinated. this poor family is hold we think he has turned and he is helping them. >> this is horrifying for the family to hear from an fbi agent. this is the modern fbi which relies at least 4 or 5 supreme court opinions. it can lie. >> martha: in the interest of national security? >> correct or in the interest of a criminal prosecution. it can lie to victims and to their families. i suggest to you that these lies were done to sort of keep the family at bay. i also suggest to you it's most unlikely that robert mueller or

jim comey had personal knowledge of his horrible plight. >> martha: but he talks to emails. >> i doubt the emails ever got through to them. i could be wrong. there are so many of them. if i am wrong and i hope i am, then there is person culpability on robert mueller and james comey. >> martha: coming up next, congratulations one week ago and now president trump announces the country is kicking out russian diplomats. russia says retaliation is on the way. karl rove and spokesperson for the obama administration maria

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>> it's been sometime already. didn't you notice? >> martha: that was the russian ambassador to the u.n. reacting to president trump and the leaders of 21 other countries. their decision to oust more than 135 russian diplomats from embassies from around the world and send them home including 60 from the u.s. i think about a dozen of them were here in new york at the united nations. they have 7 days to head home in the wake of moscow's alleged poisoning of spies. trace gallagher joins us. >> hi, whether it's russian troops or using chemicals, russian denials are common.

now russia called the accusations nonsense saying russia destroyed all chemical weapons including nerve agents. the british prime minister is shows that russia produced the agent used against the man and president trump made the decision to expel the 60 officers last week. was this an act of war. >> we have been joined at the hip with the u.k. on this matter. we stand firmly with our ally. again, this actions brazen and

reckless. i don't want to get ahead of anything the president may declare. >> nikki haley made similar comments about standing by the u.k. but france and germany have been highly critical of russian behavior. 22 countries expelled russian officials a list that will certainly grow. the russian ambassador to the u.s. keeps reiterating that u.s. and russian relations are hanging by a thread saying they are destroying what little remained of u.s. and russian ties. all of the responsibility for ruining russian-american relations is on the united states of america and the kremlin said that president putin will make the final decision of what steps to take against the u.s. >> martha: thank you very much. america and our allies taking on putin. joining me with more karl rove former senior advisor to

president bush and maria harf a former cia spokesperson. welcome to both of you. this is big news. what did you make of it? >> i thought it was a very good sign. it's not the first time the administration has taken a tough line on the russians supplying defensive weapons to ukraine and building on president obama's policy of forward rotations and deployments of american troops in regions threatened by the russians like the baltics. this was a tough measure. i wish the president had not called putin to congratulate him on his sham election. it's one thing to attempt a cordial relationship with putin but another thing to participate in his sham calling him and congratulating on getting the votes after he kicked the only guy who could beat him out of the contest. >> martha: we talked to bolton

when he was named the nsa director for the white house. he said congratulations is meaningless. i could not help but wonder whether john bolton may have been one of the people who weighed in on this decision. it's a situation where we see the president acting decisively in a way that may have looked like he was not going to act. >> words andac both matter. the fact that president trump made the call to putin and congratulated and him and not raise the poisoning of this spy in the u.k. that was not a good decision. today's decision was a good one. taken in concert with our allies. russia will probably retaliate. i want to hear directly from donald trump about this. we heard from his press secretary and the state

department. donald trump doesn't like being tough on the russian. he needs to explain what other steps might happen in the future. >> martha: do you think he will? >> i am not so concerned about it. i want the actions -- president obama, for example, he said harsh things in private to putin. i am sure that really hurt vladimir putin's feelings badly. i would rather have tough actions. what was done in syria, president obama said if syria used gas, that could cross a redline. they used gas and he took no action. president trump said the same thing when syria used gas on their own people. instead of no action tends a bunch of cruise missileses and destroys one quarter of the syria air force in a matter of moments. i would rather have tough

actions. >> martha: you could look at iran and the possibility that deal may be backed out of. and north korea forced to the table to discuss things based on a hard line stance by this admanagers. -- administration. look at china and the trade deal. the markets sky rocketed because perhaps the tough talk will bring china to a place they have not been in decades in terms of trade discussions with the u.s. you can ask yourself what is russia going to do? it might be surprising. >> we will see but barack obama also expelled diplomats in the u.s. i think russia will respond in kind. they at times care about international pressure but most of the time don't care when the world condemns them.

the syria regime used chemical weapons multiple times. russia is looking for an american that will stay consistent and follow-through on actions in leading the world. so far donald trump hasn't done that. >> martha: thank you guys. >> let's be fair. the syrians used gas on their people during the obama administration. before trump acted on the redline, they used it 10 times. some during the days when obama was in office and some when president trump was in office. president trump took hard action. >> they used it sense and he refuseed to act again. it's not in the headlines. >> martha: still ahead some of the reviews of the stormy daniels interview after asking where is the smoking gun that a lot of people were expecting? a telling compare son of media

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a former secret service agent and former nypd officer, dan. it's hard to understand the rage when you look at all of the actors in this awful scenario that played out in florida. why marco rubio is the person they have aimed all of their hate at? >> yeah, i am not really sure about that. he's been pretty open and bipartisan in this. i disagree with him but i would not impugn his intentions. one of the best pieces i ever read on gun owners and people activating for more gun control. when you look back at big public health issues like the war on smoking. why did that work? because everybody knew how to

talk to a smoker. we had them in our families. the problem with this debate you have people in culture bubbles who talk about gun owners like we are cave men in a rambo motive. you know nothing about us and talking about us like you do is not advancing the ball one bit. >> martha: i think you are right in terms of people talking at each other that is not productive at all. there was a piece in the national review that claims as gun restrictions were lowered in recent years in the united states, the incidence of gun violence decreased in this country. they took a different tact in australia. they put in a lot more restrictions on weapons, and they also saw their numbers fall. you have different ways of going about it and you get the same result. yet, there is this idea that gun

violence is on the rise. when you look at the numbers, that's just not true. >> yes, i said it often. a lot of liberals in this debate seem immunized to facts. you tell them things they just don't want to hear. this is a fact. gun ownership in the united states has gone up dramatically. gun violence and crime rates have gone down. that's a fact. people die in homicides from blunt instruments more than from rifles. when you say that you get shunned. you get things like you have blood on your hands. i don't understand how that is in way productive to come to a real common sense solutions on reducing crime in the country uses firearms. >> martha: i talked about this maryland story where the school resource officers confronted the shooter with his gun and stopped

him in the hall way after he shot a young woman who now lost her life. it got almost no coverage. the shooter killed himself. he did it faced with this guy staring at him with a gun. >> martha, we have seen this over and over again. when we do a post incident analysis of school shootings, when confronted by a good guy with a gun they turn the gun on themselves the shooter or the attack and stopped and they try to get away. this say fact. bad guys don't care about gun free zone signs. they care about-facing down a trained and will be opponent on the other side who is going to engage with them and stop the attack. they want to avoid pain want to avoid being shot themselves. they want to avoid losing control of the situation which is what they feel they have when they are the only person on that

site in potion of a firearm. it gets lost in the heated back and forth. to be fair, i go after people on twitter. i am not immune to this myself. facts and reasons should matter here. >> martha: dan, thank you. >> yes, ma'am. >> martha: my next guest was not inviteed to speak at this weekend's rally because he has a different viewpoint. kyle kashuv is also a survivor of the parkland massacre. when you think about all of the different places that failed, starting with the sheriff and the fbi and the local police who had been to this house 29 times. i didn't hear any of that this weekend during these forceful demonstrations. >> well, look, the issue is it's

gun control won't solve this issue. we have to hold our government accountable. the main reason why school shootings continuously happen is because our government is not doing its job. it's clear that when the government does do its job these shootings don't occur. >> martha: what about marco rubio? your thoughts on why he's become the punching bag for these protestors? >> honestly, i could not tell you. i think it stems from ignorance of the situation and who marco rubio is. we have seen from the marches that none of these protestors, all they are doing is giving soft ball interviews. no one is challenging their viewpoints. we have seen throughout the marches and the interviews that they are in their own eco-system of the same viewpoint. the only reason we can gain a

consensus is through disagreement. i don't know marco rubio is the point of hatred here. he's been providing bipartisan solutions even before the shooting occurred. >> martha: do you think sheriff israel and scott peterson who stood down outside the building, does any of that register on the part of the protestors who are the most vocal in this? >> you know, i didn't see a sign that said screw the sheriff's office. we need to represent and make sure that the government is held accountable. when they fail we have to make sure they are held accountable. weep can't allow the government to fail and not enforce what it is supposed to do. we have to hold our government accountable. it pains me to see that all of the hatred is deflected to marco rubio and not the true figures such as the fbi and the

sheriff's office and the cowards of broward who did not do their job. they have to get the blame. they need to be blasted across every media outlet as those who get all of the blame for this. >> martha: kyle, thanks again for coming back on the show. good to see you tonight. "60 minutes" promised they would have bombshells. there were pictures on dvd's. did the interview deliver? >> i think people thought there was going to be like a smoking gun here. did we miss something? >> martha: during the monica lewinsky and clinton scandal hillary clinton called with it a right wing-conspiracy. two reporters who covered them both give us their take on stormy and monica. >> i don't remember the exact wording of the questions.

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>> are there phone records or cameras or anything that would help you? >> i think people thought this would be a smoking gun here. did we miss something. >> martha: my next guest is a veteran journalists. how did this measure up against the clinton and lewinsky episode? howard author of media madness. and the chief correspondent for yahoo news. michael you broke the lewinsky story. how does this measure up in terms of the legs of this story? >> well, there are similarities. they are both about efforts or alleged efforts to cover-up sexual relationships. the lewinsky story emerged in the context of an on-going civil

lawsuits filed by paula jones for sexual harassment. a federal judge offered up the president to be questioned about his relations with state and federal employs. in the case of stormy daniels there was no on-going legal proceeding. but michael cohen alleged money changed hands and that is ominous for the president. >> martha: the "new york times" in 1998. is it only about sex? high crimes or just a sex cover-up? these bullets characterize the scandal. hillary clinton called it a right wing conspiracy and the democrats it was obstruction.

>> that was a liberal argument made back in 1998. the whole focus with the special prosecutor was bill clinton lying under oath? watching the much hyped interview last night, other than stormy daniels saying she had a one time relationship with president trump, it fell short in every respect. she said they pressured her into denying it but could not say who they was and said a man pressured her in the parking lot. stormy daniels is riding this. she wanted the spotlight. monica lewinsky was dragged into this against her will. >> martha: in terms of whether or not this matters. i remember the clinton stories which you covered so well and the kennedy stories much of which was unearthed later. it raises the question about a

consensual adult relationship that may be unethical and extra-marital. bill clinton said presidents have private lives too. this is a family matter and should be left alone. does that apply at all in this world anymore? >> i don't think it does. in this context, i don't think people are judging donald trump on whether or not he had this fling with stormy daniels as stormy daniels has alleged. the reason the story has legs is because of the monthey changed hands in the closing days of the election. that is valid ground for the sec to look into the circumstances. was the money paid in the context of keeping her silent during the campaign? we want you to be silent now! i thought her lawyer made a valid point. if it was simply to keep her

quiet, period, the money could have changed hands 2 or 3 years before. the fact it happened in october of 2016, that's what makes this a problem for the president. >> martha: final thought, howard? >> when you look at what happened here, the hush money is the key. at the same time, i think people don't particularly care that much what donald trump, a celebrity businessman with a womanizing reputation. bill clinton, what he does was far worse. he was president at the time dealing with a predatory relationship with a young white house intern. there is no comparison. although if trump is drawn into a legal comparison, that might change the situation. >> martha: thanks guys. remember this? >> [inaudible]. guns or religion. or people who are not like them.

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>> martha: cardinal dollan of new york with an article in the "wall street journal" saying democrats abandon catholics. and the first african-american vice-chancellor of the church fought for civil rights including those of unborn babies. she was inspired to be pro-life by reverend jesse jackson who believed that abortion was an act of genocide against minorities. here are our guests. bill, to you first, it's stunning the numbers that are here in about african-american abortions in new york outnumbering the number of birth

in the city. >> as the cardinal said abortion is at the center of the catholic flight from the democratic party. the party today moved even from the party of bill clinton. today it's unlimited abortion paid for by taxpayer dollars. african-americans are hit by abortions. it's a terrible thing. >> martha: chris, you have 25% of the country is catholic. this is a large voting block. is this a wise move on the part of democrats to have such this? >> well, it has obviously hurt them. it doesn't matter that there are 25% in the country. but , in fact it's where the highest concentration of those voters are. guess what one of the most catholic states in america is? wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan. all above the national average with roman catholics and they

delivered the presidency for donald trump. if you look at conor lamb and bob case jr. with voters like that, democrats have a problem. will they allow those kind of candidates to edge away from the party on issues of life? or, are they going to be dragged back with a litmus test to say no, absolutely pro-choice or nothing? >> martha: the dnc chair says there is a litmus test. he said every democrat should support a woman's right to make a decision about her health. that should not change. >> i think chris is right. on abortion it's an absolutist party. even conor lamb was falsely betrayed as a moderate. he would not vote for any

restrictions. ban abortions after 20 weeks, only 3 house democrats voted for that. >> martha: and americans overwhelming are in favor of that? >> not for totalry restricting it but somewhere in the middle. even nancy pelosi who is pro-choice herself said we need to tolerate pro-lifers. that's not the move of the party. >> martha: there was an interesting piece this morning talking about the democratic party and hoping the door for harris looking at the break down of how the country will -- super-delegate issue that might benefit her. do you think that progressive move looking at the presidential ticket will serve them well or should they reconsider? >> a lot is how you talk to people. americans will vote for liberal or conservative people but they always vote for a person. one of the reasons that barack obama won with catholics and did

well in wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan, the voters seemed to believe he was on their side or looking out for them. he did not sound like he was scolding them. >> martha: despite the guns and religious comments? >> yes, his administration presided over the effort to force nuns to provide contraceptions. you can't disguise this anymore. every 4 years they pretend to be moderate but don't vote that way. >> martha: thank you both. so, how about this? did you watch the final 4? my pick for the ncaa tournament next. tick around. [man] woah. ugh, i don't have my wallet, so - [girl 1] perfect! you can send a digital payment. [man] uhh, i don't have one of those payment apps. [girl 2] perfect! you have a us-based bank account, right?

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