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leadership and compassion, problem solving, judge. the i.g. found that devices had information that demonstrated lack of professionalism. >> the president trump heading into the u.k. like gangbusters, telling teresa made tonight that there will be no such thing as a soft brexit, they need to go all the way if they want a trade deal with the u.s. he said this a short time ago in an interview that is making huge waves in the united kingdom. president trump says if they do that with her trade deal, a deal with the u.s. will probably not be made of. we have enough difficulty with the european union, they have not treated the u.s. barely on trader, he said. if they do that, it would probably end a major trade relationship with the united states. good evening everyone, i martha maccallum.
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we will dig in and explain is ". that came as a breath rolled out the red carpet for the president and her first lady. they were welcome to the palace, the birthplace of winston churchill i'm amid major british pomp and splendor. one of president trump's first moves in the white house was bringing the bust of the world war ii leader back to the oval office and, look at how beautiful this was tonight. the president also topping off the nato summit in brussels with more tough talk for european leaders. >> president trump: i told people i would be very unhappy if they didn't up their commitments very substantially because the united states has been paying a tremendous amount, and now people are going to start and countries are going to start upping their commitment. i think it's been a very effective way of negotiating, but i'm not negotiating, i just want fairness to the united states. nato is now a fine tuned machin
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machine, and the united states has been treated much more fairly. >> will you be treated differently aboard air force one? >> president trump: no, i am a very consistent and stable genius. >> martha: we have a short distance here from one field house where the president will be spending the night. the investors home is under intense security as you can see. protesters have lined up the road there and tomorrow the president will meet again with the embattled prime minister theresa may who is clearly looking for some support from mr. trump. she's gotten some next words on that tonight and he will then head to windsor where the queen is said to be very much looking forward to meeting mr. trump tomorrow. in a moment, the very first interview with the man who just took over for boris johnson when he resigned a couple of weeks ago. the first tonight, chief correspondent john roberts live in london with what's ahead.
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good evening, john. >> what's ahead and wondering what's going on right now, martha. to be a fly on the wall at that gala dinner tonight at blenheim palace come up with the president rolling up and the beast, his armored limousine as it's known, while theresa may and her husband were waiting for the president to arrive. they exchange warm greetings and you can see the president even holding the hand of the british prime minister as they go up upp the staircase. all this happened about the same time as this blockbuster article in the u.k. paper the sun popped, that the plan for a soft brexit could scuttle the possibility between a trade deal between the united states and the u.k. politically this could be very damaging for theresa may because she has to count on trade with the united states in order to make brexit work. rather than what is known as a hard brexit, she's choosing a soft brexit plan and that is why the secretary boris johnson and
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another member of her government quit this week. at the same time theresa may risks not getting the trade deal. the president also said that boris johnson would make a good prime minister. it should make a very interesting dinner tonight and meetings tomorrow at the british prime minister's home out in the country called checkers. both the president and theresa may came to the u.k. after the nato summit in brussels which had its rank or at moments as well. the president walking into a meeting this morning and basically saying you need to up your contributions to nato or the united states, it will make some changes of its own. they eventually got what they wanted and a new commitment financially and militarily to the northern alliance. it took some tough love to get there though. listen to what the president said earlier. >> they thought it was a great thing that i was doing it and they gave us their best wishes.
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though with that said we will see what happens. just a loose meeting, it's not going to be a big schedule, i don't think it will take a very long period of time. but we will see where it leads. it could lead to something very productive, and maybe it's not. >> the president they're actually talking about his upcoming summit with russian president vladimir putin. on monday, he has been roundly criticized for that at home, mostly democrats saying the president should not be meeting with vladimir putin, but it's too close to russia and he is cozying up to a dictator. but listen to what justin trudeau, the prime minister of canada said echoing the sentiment of many nations that they support the idea of the president sitting down with putin. >> of the message was very clear, both to president trump and from president trump as well. the concerns about russia and the concerns about threats to the alliance were met with
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solidarity and unity, and we are looking forward to a good meeting and a productive and constructive meeting between president putin and president trump. >> president trump, and it theresa may the british prime minister also echoing justin trudeau's statement saying she looks forward to a constructive meeting that the president is going to have with vladimir putin. and particularly when it comes to brexit and a trade because the president very pointedly said to come up theresa may did not listen to me when i told her what to do about brexit. no prime minister wants to hear those words. >> it's really stunning, the comments that he made this evening. earlier today, i sat down exclusively with britain's brand-new foreign secretary, jeremy hunt. he replaced four forest johnson who left about 48 hours ago.
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and there were threats that we face across the world, and the central point, he came out saying he was very happy with the nato alliance and having not been in the right place at the start of the discussions. we made a commitment in 2014, so lots of countries are not meeting that commitment and that was not acceptable. for the nato alliance which was so important to the united states, as well as the united kingdom, you need to sort out these issues. >> martha: so vladimir putin is going to meet with president trump on monday, and what message does that send to him? >> i think that says to him, the united states is committed to a
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strong defense for itself and its allies. and he needs to think again if he wants to continue on this path of unsolicited aggression. it's the death of one british citizen as a result of one a polished poisoning. but we see russian opportunism all over the world destabilizing countries like the ukraine income and thus the path he seems to be on at the moment and he needs to think again because america has a strong precedent and that is not going to be acceptable. >> martha: the president said about vladimir putin, he's not my enemy, he's not my friend. he could be my friend in the future. are you comfortable with that, that they could be friends? >> i think president trump has a certain style. this is someone who likes doing deals and part of doing the deal is to show people that if you do the deal that he wants, it's
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very attractive. he will be your friend. if you don't do the deal, that's very unattractive and life will get tough. i suspect what president trump is saying is, if we see the right changes in russian behavior, then of course that can be friendship between the united states and russia. but it's a very robust reaction that we had from president trump to the salisbury poisonings and it shows that president trump understands that we cannot have russian aggression as a regular part of our world. >> martha: the president made it very clear at nato that he was not happy with germany and their relationship with this pipeline, a business deal with russia, to provide them energy. is he right about that? >> well of course, i think the energy policy is something that every country has to make independently. but i think the point he was making which we strongly agree with is, all these things have
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to be seen as part of the bigger picture and we need to make sure that we don't have overdependence on any one energy source. and if we are taking sanctions against a country in one area, we are not also making their economy mentally richer in another. so there was a lot of sympathy for the fact that we need to have a consistent response to the way russia is currently behaving if we are going to change that. >> martha: the president said there is no such thing as hard or soft brexit. the people of the united kingdom voted to leave the e.u., do you agree with that? >> i do. i've never really liked this terminology of hard or soft brexit, i think the vote, and we are one of the world's great democracies like the united states. the boat was to reassert democratic control, to reassert our sovereignty and that is what it will deliver. so the british people will
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decide what we do through the elected representatives based into the british parliament and that is something that is not possible at the moment as part of e.u. >> are brand-new to this job as secretary of state boris johnson held the position. the president that he might meet with him. what signal do you think that would send it to your government? >> boris johnson was a very fine foreign secretary. he change the course of this country's history. and it you, he deserves enormous credit for that and i think people who work for him having e enormous respect for him. but the president is also a dealmaker and we are getting to the stage now where we have to do that deal with brussels that secures jobs and prosperity for hundreds of thousands of brits working factors are up and down this country, and that means a different stage in our politics. >> martha: i know you have to
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go but the mayor allowed a baby blimp to float over parliament that looks like president trump. do you wish he had not allowed that? >> i think the one person we don't need to explain about what a protest means is president trump. we have those values and the same system and i'm sure he will take it in stride. >> thanks for making time today. so here we are, we are watching all this very closely. there is a lot of work here, those are very strong comments from president trump as he walked into that beautiful dinner. basically saying, you need to leave the e.u. and completely detach yourself from it or we are not doing the trade deal with you. >> i think the ultimate question is what happens tomorrow in the press conference when the president and the prime minister after that meeting at camp david
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have a discussion with the president. and whether that comes up, in the line of argument whether they can thread the needle in terms of saying soft brexit or hard brexit, but really president trump being able to say to theresa may, i support your strategy but here are my concerns about the european union. and if the americans are ganging up on the british, we are ganging up on the british and americans are ganging up on us, maybe we will throw a bone to theresa may. so oddly as jeremy hunt says in that interview, there is a movement here to that crunch point where actually what happens in one moment might only be the secondary stuff to what happens in the next moment. >> martha: it was very clear to me, tom, speaking with the new foreign secretary, i also spoke with some more government officials off-camera today.
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listen to theresa may, they are really trying really hard to say, we are so glad you are here, mr. president . they understand that without his support they could lose the 17 million voters who wanted a real brexit to essentially drain the swamp as they see it here come the swapping of bureaucracy that comes across the english channel from europe. they must retain a relationship with the european union, and boris johnson has a slightly different view. i suspect tomorrow, i strongly suspect tomorrow that president trump will take a slightly nicer at shoreline, and ultimately theresa may will say, we just need concessions. >> they put out the white paper today explaining what their plan is to the e.u. this is theresa may's plan, and this is what we think is the
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best deal for the british people. is she going to have to strengthen that white paper or rework it to satisfy what the president is asking for? this is a big deal and what he's threatening to pull out of the trade deal. and, the tenor of the news conference, and it still to come, my exclusive interview with piers morgan on president trump's time here in the united kingdom. it is fascinating. >> he has extraordinary self-confidence, a complete revulsion of what he sees as conventional political posturing and most of it is nonsense. >> and alive look at
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capitol hill where embattled fbi agent peter strzok is finally testifying in public today about what he meant in those anti-trump text messages and, boy, has that been heated in that room. congressman john ratcliffe was throwing some of that heat at mr. peter strzok today. he joins us live, next. >> i want to know what it meant. >> it would be his candidacy. >> i sense that the urban population would not vote him into office. forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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>> you were speaking on behalf of the american people, right? >> what i can tell you is, that text in no way suggested that i or the fbi would take any action to influence the candidacy -- >> that is a fantastic kick answer to a question that nobody asked. >> i don't appreciate what was originally said being changed. >> i don't give a what you appreciate, i don't have appreciate having an fbi agent with an unprecedented level of animus working on an investigation. >> you embarrassed them and embarrass yourself and i can't help but wonder when i see you looking there with a little smirk how many times did you look so innocent into your wife's eye and lied to her about lisa? >> shame always.
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>> martha: congressman john ratcliffe who was on that committee and was one of the people questioning peter strzok today. congressman, it's good to see you this evening. what did you learn today? >> i think peter strzok came in with two goals today. one was to prove to the american people that he wasn't biased against donald trump and the second point that he tried to assert with is he never let his personal beliefs cross over into official fbi action. i thought he failed miserably on both counts. when we have all of these text messages about f-being trump, a single witness, that is textbook bias. as far as his personal beliefs not crossing over to official action, i was able to walk him
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off the plank with his own words. when you send 50,000 text messages on an official fbi phone and fbi fine, and he lost all kinds of credibility today. >> martha: that's a great point. if you are on work time ended his work product if it's done on work computers. that's a lesson we have all learned since 2016. here's the moment when he was asked specifically about the text messages that he wrote that said it, don't worry, we will stop him, with regard to president trump running for president. watch this. >> in terms of the text, "we will stop it." you need to understand it was written late at night, off-the-cuff and in response to a series of events that included denture candidate trump insulting the immigrant family of a fallen war hero. and my presumption based on that horrible disgusting behavior, the american population would not elect somebody demonstrating
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that behavior to be president of the united states. >> martha: if you learn a lot about him from his responses. and what did you make of that exchange? >> he tried to relate that a lot of people felt that way and he might be right. but a lot of people were in lead investigator in the investigation. several days before that text message, he started the trump-russia investigation and before he interviewed a single witness, that's what he expressed. then he followed up a few days after that with another text message where he said, we can't take the risk of a trump presidency. so he was uniquely in a position to act on the promise that he made it to lisa page that he was going to stop donald trump from being president and i think the
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evidence showed that he tried to do that. >> martha: is of the democrats on the committee were not happy with the republican line of questioning. here's steve: cohen, the democt from tennessee. >> i don't know where to start. if i could give you a purple heart, i would. you deserve one. >> what do you make of that? >> we are talking about an fbi agent that they said should get a purple heart. they called him a hero and they called him a patriot. i think it just shows how much they hate donald trump. this is a guy who has been demoted by the fbi, demoted to the human resources and is under investigation for an ethics review. the democrats continue to line up with anyone beside donald trump. they took vladimir putin's side over donald trump and they have taken everyone inside of her
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donald trump. i think donald trump could cure cancer and they would come back tomorrow and say, you put doctors and nurses out of business. >> martha: thank you very much congressman radcliffe, always good to see you. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: coming up, president trump laying down the law well heading to the black-tie dinner at churchill's home. there will be no such thing as a half-hearted brexit, he was born in prime minister may. and if that goes away, he believes perhaps he would have to deal with the e.u. ben shapiro is here next and said we just watched trumpnado in action when we saw what happen in brussels. plus i'm talking specifically with tv host piers morgan and what direction he thinks his country is headed. >> so does boris johnson become the next prime minister?
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with his methods and they sort of side with those who are launching the baby trump balloon over westminster tomorrow. watch this. >> what is this cycle psychoba? >> you think he is like an 8-year-old? >> i think he likes to be the center of attention. >> why jeopardize one of history's great marriages for a one off with a man who tried undermining our democracy? >> joining me now, ben shapiro, editor and chief of dailywire.com. he was writing about this on his podcast. what do you make of what's going on so far? >> i think the president has made some well-placed critiques with regard to for example the spending of nato allies and also the regard to germany's alliance on russian natural gas. the real question is, is not motivated by the desire to sort of crack nato or is it motivated by strengthening nato? we want our nato allies to be
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stronger, and the idea is that germany should make itself subject to the russian women, and i agree with that. the idea is that sort of a misdirect, he's criticizing countries because he doesn't like nato generally which has to be the nastiest possible reason on trump's activity. the idea that do united states will precipitously pull out of nato, i don't see that happening. i don't think his advisors are interested in that happening and i'm not sure the president is interested in that happening. we won't know a lot when he sits down with boudin and we probably won't know a lot until after all this is over. >> martha: i want to talk to about the putin meeting in just a moment but, you have to peel back and look at what's actually happening. and while i haven't written the checks yet to fill that to present level, he left there with an agreement on their part to do exactly that. so what you have going into the putin meeting is an increasing nato troops and an increase by
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30-$40 billion is the estimate to support those troops. and they have to be looking at that and saying that's formidable. >> that's why it's bizarre to suggest that trump was making a pro putin move by acknowledging all this border spending. i'm not sure how that benefits vladimir putin, and the same thing is true if they were to stop russia from importing 70% of their natural gas. the only people who are making suggestions, all of this was a front for him just to make an excuse and pull out of nato entirely, and we haven't seen that happen yet obviously. >> martha: you made some points today about schroeder, the former chancellor of german germany. he is playing in this russia pipeline deal and he needs people to go down to the next
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level and understand, can you explain that? >> tim garrity did a good deep dive on this and what he basically suggested was all the people who are really upset with president trump suggesting that president trump is colluding with russia, these people are completely and ignoring the fact that the former german chancellor is actually working with the russian state gas company to build this pipeline from russia to germany and he's basically become a russian agent running around of the e.u. trying to make deals on behalf of the russians. when president trump criticizes germany for doing all of that, that criticism i think will have to be well taken. >> martha: in terms of the putin meeting, what are you watching for on that? >> the president's goal is also always relationship oriented. you can see that from theresa may, and i don't think it's all that complicated. i think he wants to get along with people but the policy that comes out, the only real
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question is is putin emboldened to try anything. if he says no it's not a major loss and if he says yes that trump has sent the wrong signals. we also realize what putin thinks of trump. does he think it's all cards on the table or does he think trump might be saying nice things at me but if i make it over that line, trump swings into action? >> and we absolutely love the idea of president trump going in there and talking to boudin. it seems like he would certainly be the one that wants to be at the front of the line. thank you so much and it's great to see you. >> coming up next to fly from london, my exclusive sit down with piers morgan. he knows the president well and he knows his home turf. >> i think donald trump makes a very good point, it just makes it and a very abrasive and confronting way. but then he's a new york real estate tycoon, he's been
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get top smartphones or bring your own phone. tracfone. for moments that matter. >> martha: those are some of the protesters that are lining a few of the streets here in london. they do expect that there will be more of them out tomorrow, sending a message of the scene for president trump. earlier today i sat down with an exclusive interview for piers morgan, the editor at large for dailymail.com who could be driving some of that anger and he believes her message does not tell the whole story. >> it was a very divisive polarizing character not just in america but around the world. in britain we only tend to see the sound bites of the worst stuff so you hear just little
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bits and pieces and it's normally negative. so a lot of people in britain have a very negative view of the president. having said that, it's quite geographic, when you go to texas and florida and alabama and places they are very pro-trump. similarly here at the way the brexit debate has split the country. i think the more you go the more there -- -- more north you go e more it pro-trump people you find. most liberals the last few years have been screaming into a lot of hot air but he's actually not there. >> martha: but in many ways as you say he does seem to represent the brexit movement. and that's represented here in this idea of saying to the e.u., forget it. we are tired of sending money over there and having open borders. what is your feel for how that's going and how does he reflect that?
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>> i think donald trump makes a very good point, just in a very abrasive and confronting way. but then he is a real estate tycoon, and his modus operandi is to go crashing into something and blow it all up and see how the cards end up in what kind of deal you can get. i always remind people in britain, there is a few things he feels strongly about. security, immigration, and jobs. actually he's a pragmatic business guy, he looks at everything as a deal. and i look at the bus stop he's having with nato and i think to myself, he's absolutely right. america pays way more than anyone else and we expect america to come to our aid. while most countries in the e.u. pay substantially less than they should be paying. so in a normal trump way he goes crashing in like a bowl in a china shop and upsets them all. i actually find that style is
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quite refreshing. we can do with donald trump handling our brexit negotiation, he might get some stuff done. >> martha: he will talk to theresa may about it and it will be interesting to see if he has any influence. based on how we know that he feels about brexit, he may say you need to stick with this here. the only way to do this is an 100%. >> i think the big problem with theresa may is a key she is as far removed from donald trump of the world could possibly be. she voted to stay in the european union and then she gets hired at the ultimate hospital pass which is the biggest issue on your watch. she's having to deliver something that she doesn't want. and, do you fudge it so much
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that effectively it kind of stays in the european union without actually leaving. there would be uproar in this country, 17 and a half million brits voted to leave the european union. and i believed absolutely they knew what they were doing and they were fed up with the bureaucratic nature of the european union i absolutely lost that battle. right now it seems to me that the establishment of this country is trying to pretend the referendum never happened. >> martha: so where do you see this whole thing going? does theresa may hang onto her job or does boris johnson become the next prime minister? >> theresa may will be called the teflon kid, nothing sticks to her. she seems to be able to survive simply because of the moment,
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they are absolutely terrified that if they were trying to unseat her and under normal circumstances they would and they want her gone, but if they tried to do that it may trigger not just a leadership contest which becomes very bitter and fractures the party between the brexit and those who don't want to leave, but much more fundamentally at the channel election. and jeremy corbin who is about as far left a politician is this country has ever had complete a party and its entire existence. so we could end up with a very hard lined socialist government within a few months if we are not very careful. most people do not actually want that to happen but this could have been through the party steering itself into. >> martha: tell me what you see in the meeting between vladimir putin and donald trump. obviously to very strong character is that the president has wanted for a long time to sit down i buy eyeball to eyebl and seems that to think that he
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can get through to him on some measures. >> i talked to him about letting me put in once. it was actually very instructional i think for donald trump. i'm sure it will be a similar technique. they went into a room together and they were 50 people in each side, everyone posturing and trying to score points. i left him there and he was a hard guy, and we go at each other verbally. but at the end of it we would agree in points of agreement. and he said, ask me how many times he didn't keep his word? he said he always kept his word to me. i think trump and vladimir putin will have a similar kind of view of each other. they are both very tough guys. they may well get rid of everyone and have one on one and i think they will do the same.
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that's the kind of trading that donald trump has done for 50 years. i think vladimir putin would remind him of the business deals he's had to do all his life. i agree with trump's basic premise which is nonwithstanding all the noise around russian collusion and so on, but it's actually in the world interest that the united states of america has a good relationship with russia. if that means that vladimir putin and trump can facilitate that in these two hard guys can reach some consensus and are not at war with each other, that's a good thing. we won it so lastly the meeting with a clean. what do you anticipate will happen tween the queen who has seen every president since truman, and 12 or 13 prime ministers that she hasn't been a steady hand throughout, what do you think she will think of donald trump? >> she has seen them all, and seeing them all go. and she's now in her mid-90s,
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the most wide person i've met. incredibly wise and very intelligent, but ultimately she is incredibly calm. nothing's going to faze her. donald trump could somersault into her room at windsor castle blowing a beautiful and she would say, mr. president, how lovely to see you. and wouldn't bat an eyelid. so i think it would go very smoothly. she has had the worst dictators in the world standing there and she has had some of the nicest people in the world. what she is is, someone who is a pragmatist and a realist and she will afford him the respect of the office of the presidency of the united states. and for trump, and i know this because i talk to him about it a lot, it's an incredibly emotional moment for him. even someone quite nonemotional. his mother was born and raised in scotland until she was 18, and was, he said it, and arch monarch cursed. she loved the royal family and
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loved the queen. every time the queen came on television, he told me she would insist the family gather around and watch the queen. for donald trump actually, putting aside everything else, whether you love him or loves him, that moment when he walks in and meets one of his mother's true heroes will be a really special moment for him. i suspect he and the queen won't get on very well. >> martha: that's what we have to look forward to tomorrow. more of my exclusive interview with piers morgan straight ahead including what he says are the biggest differences between president trump and president obama, next in every h. and that's just what we do. with no artificial preservatives, no added nitrates or nitrites, and by waving bye to by-products. so you can get back to loving them. for the love of hot dogs. (wienermobile horn)
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>> martha: back now from london with part two of my exclusive sit down with piers morgan, editor at large at dailymail.com. i think years from now we will look back on this, and either president trump will turn out to be one of the best presidents that the united states had four other institutions have had for the worst. he wants to do a lot. do you think you can fold these things off? >> he has a rare president, doing a lot of the stuff he said he would do. and it's a very unique character into world politics. but he's got extra ordinary self-confidence, he has complete
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repulsion of what he sees as conventional political posturing and he also thinks that america has a bad deal on almost everything from nafta to nato to the powers accord. >> martha: and the common thread is that everyone whether they like him or hate him, at the end of those sentences, they say, he's right about that. >> i would say to british people, barack obama is almost a saintly figure of this country. the brits loved barack obama because he spoke so eloquently and seem so intelligent and kind and caring. and i say okay, but he deported 3 million illegal immigrants and he was northern as the porter in chief in mexico. and none of you ever thought about that or felt angry about that. secondly he kept guantanamo bay open for eight years. i'm realizing that none of these are negative, but thirdly, i
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think obama i always thought he was massively overhyped. he achieved actually very little and, i don't see donald trump as the middle. i think both of them have been misrepresented and mischaracterized. so by my message to those who scream and shout, and you have to give trump a chance. >> martha: a lot smarter ahead tomorrow and more live here from london, right after this i'm go. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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>> he is smart, capable and witty, he is able to talk about issues in a way that american people can understand. >> martha: that is president george w. bush talking
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about our good friend and colleague, tony snow. and perhaps the best ever white house press secretary. he passed away ten years ago today. we miss him and witness his intelligence, warmth and good advice. that is our story, and we will be back tomorrow from london. big day here, good night. ♪ >> what a day, welcome to tucker carlson tonight, i brian kilmeade. disgraced fbi agent peter strzok dealing with lawmakers for hours as they probe him about his handling of the trump-russia investigation big time. his text to his then lover lisa page and possible bias of the fbi. congressman louis gomer it will join us in a few moments. he grilled strzok on his dishonesty and got personal. >> i see you sitting there wit

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