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manager, respectively. we are waiting to hear from the lawyers. but we can tell you at this point, the president is off to west virginia to continue doing what he does. as president of the united states, a town in economic recovery. we will leave it up to that. "the five" is not. >> welcome to "the five." we are covering three breaking new stories this out. guilty of 8 of 18 counts in his child. have major developers with michael cohen. president trump's lawyer reaching a plea deal. in a news conference in iowa after missing college student mollie tibbetts has been found. we will bring you there live as soon as heavens. we will head to chief national correspondent ed henry for latest on the cohen plea deal. first, live in alexandria, virginia, for the verdict of paul manafort. >> just in the last 45 or 60
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seconds, we watch as kathleen mena fort, all metal parts wife exits surrounded by cameras and reporters asking how she thinks and how she feels. she did not respond. now we wait for manafort's defense attorney to exit. they have been very confident the last 2.5 days. they thought that the longer that the deliberations went on, the better that buzz for them. as it turns out, on eight counts, their client, paul manafort did wind up being found guilty by the jury of his peers. the other ten counts in the 18 count indictment, which were part of the special counsel's long list of allegations against paul manafort, the jury could not come to an agreement. eight guilty verdicts, ten were declared a mistrial. and then came at the decided
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that, that's it. he sent the jury home. the sent them home and thank them for the service. the defense attorney for paul manafort said that they were zealot in their representation of their side. the judge did ask the jurors if they wanted their identities to remain private, and they all concurred that they did. after a few days of concern about their names potentially getting out because of safety concerns, the names are going to remain confidential. all mena fort has been found guilty in alexandria and eight counts out of 18. >> juan: peter, thank you so much. we have a fox news alert. in iowa, the missing college student, mollie tibbetts. her body has been found. the news comes a little more than a month after the 20-year-olds disappearance from her hometown, brooklyn iowa. >> we have confirmed with homeland security investigations that he is an illegal alien, and
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we believe he has been in this area now for 4-7 years. >> how did you come into contact with him? >> during the investigation, we reached out to the public, as you well know. during our neighborhood canvas, we came across an individual that had security cameras. we took those cameras, he was kind enough to give us the footage from it. to that, he we are able to identify a vehicle that we believed belongs to mr. rivera. it was a black malibu. from that, we were able to track his pattern and the route in which he took. we were also able to find mollie running on this video, and able to determine that he is one of the last ones to have seen mollie running based on the video that we were able to see from the general public. i'm sorry. >> what you believe he did? >> again, we were able to pull
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him in during the investigation. we conducted an interview with mr. rivera. during the interview, he says that he sees mollie running and was able to come upon her, approached her. while he was interfacing with her, he actually felt as if he ran along beside her or around here. i want point, he tells him that mollie grabbed a hold of her phone and said you need to leave me alone, we need to call the police. he took she took off running ae chased her down. at some point in time, he told us that he blacked out. he comes to near an intersection in which we believe he then -- >> i'm sorry. >> 385th street in brooklyn, outside of brooklyn in the rural rural county just outside of brooklyn iowa. >> in the general area? >> juan: let's head over to ed henry no.
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he has all the details on michael cohen's plea deal. >> specifically on other things he is pleading guilty to campaign finance violations saying that essentially the money he pay to women as the president's personal attorney was paid as hush money and did it under the direction of the client. this is the first time you see anyone in the president's orbit pleading guilty to charges that directly involved with the case. it has nothing to do with russian collusion or directly with the campaign. michael cohen, we are told will get jail time in the neighborhood of 3-5 years after pleading guilty, not just to those campaign finance charges that we mention came about bank fraud, tax evasion as well. the campaign finance violations that mentioned that could be
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problematic to the president, number one, cohen could be offering cooperation on the road, we don't know that for sure. we don't want to speculate. but it could open the door to that. number two, the vulnerability to the president as the campaign finance issue involves payment to those two women who alleged affairs which he has denied. stormy daniels and karen mcdougall. third potential problem for the president, remember, this development really contradicts what his new personal attorney, rudy giuliani told sean hannity back in may. remember that rudy giuliani said back then that the president made $130,000 payment the stormy daniels, but insisted that it did not break any campaign finance laws. for context, watch the sound bite. >> having something to do with paying some stormy daniels woman $130,000 which turns out to be perfectly legal. that money was not campaign
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money. sorry, i am giving you a fact now that you don't know. it is not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> they followed it through the law firm? >> some went through the law firm, and the president repaid it. >> some say that had nothing to do with the president's campaig campaign. in new york city, the broke damping finance was that we need is to so get more details. the other thing to watch here is that stormy daniels attorney, michael avenatti is tweeting out that he believes that the guilty pleas now from michael cohen will open the door for a separate civil suit against the president to be lifted. meaning, that michael avenatti believes, at least and we will have to fact check in. he will get quick deposition from the president of the united states in the stormy daniels case. his legal team will be trying to
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fight that. the point is, this raises the question of whether there is any legal jeopardy for the president stemming from the campaign. it also means that the private civil suit from avenatti may be back and back in a big way. >> juan: ed, thank you so much much. to sort out all of the details, we bring in our chief political anchor, bret baier. let's start with our verdict. eight vertex out of the 18, what does it mean? >> it means that he is facing a lot of jail time, potentially. sentencing set for later. obviously, facing another trial. you are talking about a lot of years, here. eight counts of the 18, found guilty by this jury. put in context here, what we are looking at today as this is all rolling out throughout the day, you have the president's former campaign chairman, eight counts of bank fraud tax fraud, hiding foreign accounts. it does not have to do with him,
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president trump, or candidate trumpet it is someone who is tied to trump world. he is tied to all of that. then you have the president's former personal attorney, pleading guilty to eight counts, bank fraud, tax fraud, campaign fraud violations i just heard from ed henry on the same day within a few hours. in the michael cohen situation, it's exponentially more explosive when it comes to direct ties to the president, specifically on the campaign finance issue. >> juan: i think people are going to wonder, what is the president's next move? let me ask you that. how does the president respond to michael cohen, rudy giuliani, his lawyer, would expect to hear? >> i don't know. i think you would expect some of the same terminology that you heard from rudy giuliani, before they are going to parse that this was not campaign finance violation, but when you have michael cohen leading guilty to
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that, saying that he was directed by the candidate for federal office, being mr. jump. you have, even though it is not listed as he is cooperating, essentially is cooperating with the mueller probe. we do not know how far he made in addition to that, providing additional information from his time in the inner circle in trump world. i think that this will be an interesting 24 hours as far as hearing from the president and his team to see what is next. >> juan: dana perino? >> dana: i think one thing that the president might do is comment on these two things at all, given that we just heard from the police in iowa with the mollie tibbetts case. they are holding -- the federal government is holding a man, illegal immigrants as a suspect in the case. in that murder. to me, thinking about the fact that the mueller thing is a little complicated, the cohen
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thing is interesting and explosive, no doubt. if you are out there in america and watching this and thinking, what are we really care about right now? i think the president will probably be talking a lot about that. >> juan: >> sure, from a politil standpoint. from a political standpoint, he is on air force one right now, headed to west virginia for a rally there to support a republican senate candidate. you're likely going to hear a lot about immigration. you will hear about the new colt rule today and the efforts of the proposal that the trump administration is moving forward. he will not touch any of this is my gas. over the next 24 hours there will have to be some response from the administration, from the trump lawyers. the michael cohen thing, more than the paul manafort decision is going to be very explosive in this count. >> juan: greg? >> greg: i would like to
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piggyback off of this. the argument has been backed up by a very ugly reality. i can see how that -- when you stack that up against other tax evasions and guilty pleas for an average american, it resonates. i think it will become bigger deal as we get closer and closer. we talk about this stuff, it is a practical, real-world issue. it is not about these two man who most americans know their names, maybe. >> no doubt. people in the middle of the country are looking at, yeah. and talking about the next steps in the mueller investigation, look at what has happened just today. you have the michael flynn sentencing being delayed, the former national security advisor. his sentencing pushback. you have sentencing coming up. you have a confluence of things that are happening with at least mueller. seems like it is coming to a
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head. does it trump? and not to use the trump word, most of the issues that the country know? it will be a big thing if there is a direct tie -- and cohen can make it between president trump, these payments, and paying off the women before the election. it may be small as rudy giuliani describes it, but it could be big as far as where this investigation goes. >> brett, it does show how off the rails the molar investigation has gone. this special counts and has it in place to look at russia collusion. any involvement by the trump campaign with russian interference with the election, then, and turn into obstruction of justice looking at what happened in the gym comey firing. that is a he said-he said, potentially. then you look at the cohen case. now granted, mueller referred to
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the cohen case to the district of new york. they do not handle it. -- >> we are being asked, excuse me, the lawyers here. >> granting him a fair trial. thank the jury for their very long and hard fought deliberation. he is evaluating all of his options at this point. thank you, everyone. >> that was kevin donnelly, he was paul manafort's attorney. saying that the defendant, i should say the guilty paul manafort on eight counts, do we still have bret baier with us? hi, brett. two questions here, also does the prosecution it think about going back to retry on those ten counts that the jury could not
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come to consensus on? >> i don't think so, dana. the prosecution, they got eight out of the ten. you're facing a possible maximum sentence of 80 years. on the guilty counts. so, that is significant. remember, paul manafort faces another child. so, and they are looking to put the squeeze on paul manafort, they have it. they have that point. that is the other point on the cohen part. there's not a list that he is cooperating, but the sentencing that he is agreeing to is less than one would potentially face with those particular counts. it does not preclude him, to your point, and cooperating with mueller on things that may be have to deal with russia and cooperation. we don't know what we don't know. >> i was making the point that you have gone from russia collusion to payments, to an
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exploit star to playmate. that is where we have gone to in this country. >> you're right. when that all came out and when rudy giuliani went on hannity's show and said -- >> the prosecution has just started speaking. we will listen to them. >> the irs. also, the prosecutors from the united states attorney's office from the southern district of new york who prosecuted, i will have a brief statement and will not be taking any questions. today, as you heard, michael cohen pled guilty to eight felony charges. five of those dealt with tax evasion for the years 2012- 20, he failed to report $1.4 million in part in income. approximately $2.5 million that money was from interest payments from personal loan that he failed to report, $1.3 million
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of that money was from the operation of that medallion business. $100,000 of that money was from brokerage commissions, over $200,000 was from consulting fees. that is over $4.3 million, over a five-year period which translates into a loss to the nicest treasury of approximately $1.3 million. in addition, in count six, mr. cohen pled guilty to false statements from a financial institution in connection with an application for a home equity line of credit. in that application, he failed to disclose more than $14 million in debts that he had, and as a result of that concealment, he has gained that $5,000 line of credit, which he would not have been entitled to, had he been candid and honest. in addition, mr. cohen pled
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guilty to two campaign finance charges. one for causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and a second one for personally making an excessive personal contribution, both for the purpose of influencing the 2016 election. in addition, what he did was coerce to pay money to silence two women who had information that he believed would be detrimental to the 2016 campaign and to the candidate, and the campaign. in addition, mr. cohen had reimbursement for that money by proximity to invoices to the candidates company which were untrue and false. they indicated that the reimbursement was for services rendered for the year 2017, when in fact those voices were a sham. he provided no legal services for the year 2017, and it was
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simply a means to obtain reimbursement for the unlawful campaign contribution. a couple of points that i would like to make. first, thieves are very serious charges and reflect a pattern of lies and dishonesty over an extended period of time. they are significant in their own right, they are particularly significant when done by a lawyer. a lawyer, who through training and conditioning, understands what it means to be a lawyer and to be honest and fair dealings in adherence with civil law. mr. seven disregarded that training and decided that he was above the law appeared for thate is going to pay a very, very serious price. with respect to the campaign finance violation, the campaign finance are designed to prevent use of illegal monies in elections to maintain the integrity of those elections. mr. cohen made guilty pleas for
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those campaign violations. those are four violations. what he did was, he reminds us that it is illegal for corporations to make contributions to candidates. and it is illegal to make contributions in excess of the amount that congress set for individuals. that is a strong message today, and we will not fear prosecuting additional campaign finance cases. lastly, and perhaps most important, this case is unique in many ways. witnessing the gathering of all of you today. in other ways, it is unique as well. and really important ways, this case is not unlike many cases that my office, the united states attorney office brings, the entire department of justice brings, and the law enforcement cases do as
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well, including the fbi and the irs. this case has more in common with all of those cases, because they all share the same message. that message is that the rule of law applies. for law enforcement, all of whom are gathered here, it is our commitment that we will pursue and vindicate those who choose to break the law and vindicate the majority people who live law-abiding lives in an honest and fair dealings and live lives of lawful behavior. the message is that we are here. prosecutors are here, law enforcement is here, the department of justice is here, law enforcement agencies are here. we are a nation of laws, and the essence of this case is about justice. that is an equal playing field for all persons in the eyes of the law law and that is a lessn
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that mr. cohen learned today. it is a very harsh one for him. thank you, very much. >> who is that candidate that you are talking about? >> one other thing. i would also like to introduce -- i'm sorry, my fault. i really want to think mr. sweeney, and james rogner of the fbi and the irs, and ages who work for them. we do many, many paces for them. their determination and their fair dealing, and their vigor with which they pursue their cases is really inspirational to the prosecutors and my office. i cannot express the gratitude for the hard work that they did in this case. that is united states attorneys adria griswold and rachel maiman and tom mckay, as well as the deputy chief of the public corruption unit, and russell capone, the chief of the public corruption unit paid for all of these people, i could go on and
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on about their many virtues and talents. but the one important thing is that they all are satisfied with simply being known as public servants, prosecutors and law enforcement agents who are doing your job. thank you, very much. >> all right, that was robert. he was the lead prosecutor against michael cullen. i believe we still have bret baier. i'm sorry that we interrupted you twice. from the message from the lawyers. this is one for the record books. i will let you comment on what you heard there from that. we are a nation of laws and they follow the case to its logical conclusion. >> the tax fraud, the case fraud, none of which had to do with president trump, candidate trunk, his ties to candidate trunk, or donald j. trump, in general. the campaign finance violation, because of the way he phrased it that he was directed by the candidate to do that, and submitted that money to be repaid by the trump organization, that is a direct
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liability. i can already see the battle lines being drawn here legally. i just got an email saying that the fact that he pays guilty does not mean that this went to trial. we have people like former chairman bradley smith saying that that payment is not a violation, which is what rudy giuliani was saying in his interview earlier. that, you can already begin to see the trump lawyers, and others making a case that this would not be a violation. obviously, the prosecutor is saying that it is. michael cohen is on the hook for it right now. >> we have not heard from dan yet. >> it has been a busy news day. good to see the speed of the news cycle. it is about 7-10 seconds long these days. they have an expression in corporate america on quarterly filings. you take a bath. put all the bad news in on one filing. this all came out today. your perspective, i mean, it is their lasting political damage from this question work a lot of
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this was baked into the cake with trump supporters. on the >> jesse: manafort casee ulterior motives for the prosecution going after that. is there a real political lasting damage for this? >> i don't think we note the answer to that. i think it is the beginning of an effort to really put the squeeze on some of these people and potentially, where does that lead? we don't know. we do know that the mueller team seems to be moving a little quicker on a number of fronts. the goal, as we are hearing here in washington, is to get some kind of interim report out before the midterms, possibly by early september. if that is the case, all of these little pieces to the puzzle lead you to that, and we could be in for many other days like this where it is all breaking like this. the >> jesse: manafort stuff, e right. it is not tied to collusion. it is not tied there. but, it is a win for the special
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counsel even though it does not deal with what he was mandated to do at the beginning. >> dana: we will head over and out to iowa where a man in the united states illegally, has been charged with the murder of mollie tibbetts. >> a tragic ending to this mystery. a month after mollie tibbetts vanished on july 18th, please assured that while telling us 24-year-old krishan rivera was charged with first-degree murder of the death of mollie tibbetts, it was a surveillance tape that was crucial in solving this mystery and crime. it showed mollie tibbetts apparently running feared they look at the surveillance tape and saw krishan rivera somewhere on the tape, they questioned krishan rivera about the death of mollie tibbetts, he says that on the evening he was following her. we are not sure if he followed her first in his car or on foot,
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and he eventually started to chase her and mollie tibbetts said, get away from me. she got off her cell phone and asked her to get away from her. at that point, he blacked out. nearly a month later, this man took authorities to the body of mollie tibbetts which is not far from here. it was found in a cornfield. apparently, trying to be hidden by extra cornstalks. investigators say that the man has been charged with first-degree murder. we are expecting to learn much more as this story envelops. >> dana: matt, could i ask you something? you have been covering this case from the beginning. early on, when the police had a press conference, they said at one point that they believed that the suspect was hiding in plain sight. do you think that christian rivera was the person in question work ? >> we are told that he lived in the area for 4-7 years.
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it is likely that he was hiding in plain sight. authorities and families think that there's a possibility that he contributed to the search efforts. we cannot confirm that and we do not know if he was hiding out the entire time or if he was going on with his entire life. >> it is a dumb question, but he was an illegal alien for 4-7 years, how does he pull that off where no one seemed to check? >> i am not sure greg. that's a good question. >> juan: one of the interesting thing is that her cell phone and her fitbit had been reported as missing. i wonder if they have now recovered of those items and in fact it helps. we have a confession in this case. >> i believed that in the tail end of the press conference, one of the lead investigation officer said that the fitbit did help and that she had her
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iphone on her. investigators were out in the area for quite some time and questioning a farmer that lived nearby multiple times. that farmer confessed or insisted that he had nothing to do with this. we're trying to now confirm if the investigators are out here because maybe her fitbit or cell phone did paying out here. >> thank you for all of your reporting on the story. it is a terrible and. we certainly send our sympathies to the family. her father had been on television, very stoic, very calm, very trusting in the police the entire time. certainly not the result that they wanted. >> it is certainly every human being's worst nightmare. a young woman who will never take another breath of oxygen again because of what this man has alleged to have done. early in the case, there was a clue that said that this guy may have been a suspect early on. they owe us nothing, they know
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the investigation everything. early on in the case, they said there may be some miscommunication here. someone may have interacted with her, they may have assumed something. that says to me that they may have suspected early on that it was a kidnapping and that she may have been alive. they are very strategic in their communication. he may have been a suspect very early in the case. speak to any comments? >> greg: what is important, no one at the trump rally tonight will give a darn about this, but it will be fresh in their mind. >> this is something that resonates with every parent. every mother, father, sister, brother, everybody across his country. people will be asking over the dinner table tonight, why was this man in this country? why are we still asking this
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question? with the rhetoric from the last, we need to get rid of integrations customs informant and we need to get rid of this critical law enforcement units within the federal government. that is why people are going to be talking about rather than two bad, white-collar criminals quite frankly. >> juan: i don't think that's right. we have at a major day of breaking news in terms of what i think are building blocks that are leaning towards, what i expect to be a tumultuous, stormy end of this month in september for the president of the united states. i don't know how you can exceed that. the horror that that woman went through in iowa is not to be understated. what we are seeing is that is becoming politicized much like the other case was politicized. the jury found that the man that was involved with her murder was not convicted of anything except -- was he convicted of
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manslaughter, maybe? he was not convicted of murder. so what we are looking at, though, i think, as the politics of it. the politics of it played in a way that i think you will see tonight, the president focusing on immigration. lauren stated his team going into the midterms as what he wants to focus on as his base. i imagine that this will play. >> greg: if the incident occurs that actually is part of something that you have been talking about, and talks about playing into your base or saying hey, hey, hey, i'm right, this is a concern. people confuse concern with politics. you could actually be concerned about preventing such things like this happening. it is not a political stance. it saying that this is a proble problem. speaking of the other thing about the murder, i don't know if i can call him that. >> greg: like a deflected bullet.
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>> dana: he was deported several times a month but we don't know if we can say that about christian rivera. >> is not politicizing an issue for american parents and people who have friends and neighbors to look at a case like this and say, listen, let's look at this rationally. yes, not every person who enters that country legally is going to go on to commit other crimes. i can see that point. the bottom line is 100% should not have been here. if they weren't here, this woman, if the ogg allegations were true would be a lie. that is not allegations or irrational. and certainly not politics for someone to see that. donald trump as being an advocate for the cause. >> i sit here and listen to matt finn talk about mollie tibbetts, and tears well up in my eyes. it is unavoidable. those tears are not red or blue, they are from the heart. it's from the heart and the gut. i don't think that you can call it politicalization in saying
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that people will be more torn apart by this then michael cohen's guilty plea. >> dana: there are plenty of room for people to have lots of thoughts about all this went we need to get back over to peter who is at the manafort trial with an update for us. peter, you have been there from the beginning and the other case. we will give you the phone up. >> dana, we have new information about the way that the judge learned that the jury was not going to be able to reach a verdict on ten of the 18 counts. i'm going to pulled us up on my computer right now. the jury sent a late afternoon note to the judge saying, after exhausting all options, we have reached a verdict and not able to reach consensus on ten of all 18 counts. when it happened, the judge brought them into the courtroom and asked them one at a time, are you sure you are not going to be able to reach a consensus
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on this count come on this count, on this count, on the skunk which marked one of the time, the jurors said no, they were not going to be able to. at that point, the judge said he was going to declare a mistrial on those counts. and then, he got into the eight guilty verdicts against paul manafort for filing false tax returns, not properly identifying foreign bank accounts and for bank fraud. a few minutes later, mrs. manafort exited the courtroom, she did not say anything goes. manafort's lawyer, kevin downing to stop and said that manafort thinks he got a fair trial, but is still reviewing all of his options, because he is disappointed with the way things shook out for him. don't forget that even if manafort had been acquitted on all of these charges, he was still remain in a jail sale tonight, because he is facing charges for similar charges in washington, d.c. that child does not start until
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september. the reason that we are keeping him in solitary confinement for most of these days is because they are accusing him of tampering with a witness in a case. >> a couple of questions. do they keep the same lawyers for the trial? does he have to move from the jail sale that he is now to washington, d.c., since that trial has me happening there. the jury asked that the judge not revealed and answered i don't think that the jury owes them anything more could they have done their job to but because they have not come to a consensus on those ten counts, will he ever know why or what the issue was? >> i will try to go in reverse order. the judge told the jurors that he cannot stop them from doing an interview and revealing what happened. he thinks that it would be better for them if they kept things confidential. however, there is going to be a list from the special counsel or from the eastern district of virginia court that tells us who the 12 jurors are.
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we are not going to get there. the judge made sure before we dismiss the jury, you don't want us to release her names, and they also dispute as for where manafort is going to stay, he will remain, to the best of our understanding, at the alexandria detention center which is a place that they keep a lot of hard-core terror suspects, including terror suspects were captured on battlefields overseas and abroad here because they are considered very high risk so, we understand that he will stay there. the only reason that he is there is because he is accused of tampering with a witness in the case before federal judge in washington, d.c. it is going to be his same legal team. people might take on slightly different roles, but his legal team that represented him here is starting to lay the groundwork if they are in contact with the prosecution about evidence in the next case. it is worth pointing out that
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they have five people on the manafort defense team. the mueller site has 17 people. >> peter we will take it around the table here. we are looking at air force one peer the president has landed. the beautiful town of charleston, west virginia. there he is for the president therefore rally tonight. he's trying to rally for the republican senate candidate there who was in a race against the senate and comment, democrat joe manchin. the president therefore this event tonight. he just announced also that the clean air act, or the new clean air proposal called a.c.e. is going to be the next case appeared the president lenny here. my guess is that he will not mention either michael cohen or paul manafort into naturally. >> juan: you know, i listen very carefully as you are talking, and you can hear the reporters on the tarmac screaming at the president about
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manafort and cohen. it is all around him as he goes through the greetings. the question is, how does he handle it in the speech. maybe he doesn't mention it and be he focuses on illegal immigrants accused of the murder in iowa. but i think that donald trump is so surprising and so capable of coming -- >> president trump: i feel very sad about that. it doesn't involve me, but i still feel it is a very sad thing that happened. it has nothing to do with russian collusion. this started as russian collusion. this has absolutely nothing to do. this is a witch hunt that is a disgrace. it has nothing to do with what they started out looking for russians involved in the campaign. there were none. i feel very badly for paul manafort. again, he worked for bob dole, he worked for ronald at reagan. he worked for many people. this is the way it ends up. it was not the original mission,
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believe me. it was something very much different. it has nothing to do with russian collusion. we continue the witch hunts. thank, very much. >> dana: is the president stepping off of air force one about to go to rally tonight. getting a statement about manafort out of the way. we are hoping to get john roberts back up pretty soon and ed henry, if he is availabl available. maybe not. but michael cohen, not getting a mention there. what'd you make of the president's comments just now? they were brief but they stayed on the message that this is a witch hunt and he feels very badly for paul manafort who is just found guilty by a jury of his peers on eight counts. >> it is significant because the manafort case is a better situation for the president, as bad as it is for paul manafort in that he is facing major prison time. as a president pointed out, he
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is right, it was not about russian collusion. it was bank and tax fraud long before the jump campaign going back nearly a decade. yes, the robert mueller investigation goes forward, the special counsel has a wide-open federal probe deck is still damage the president and other people around you. the manafort verdict do not directly impact the president. the michael cohen situation could actually be much worse for the president. he has now pled guilty to federal crimes in which the president could be, i underlined "could be" because there have been no hint of a charge, but he could be a coconspirator. you have michael cohen saying that he broke campaign finance laws at the direction of a candidate. everyone knows that candidate is president trump, and are one. and number two, you have michael avenatti saying to rudy giuliani on twitter, "buckle up, but her
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cop." because you mishandled this case. now they believe that avenatti because of cohen pleading guilty, now the stay in the separate, private civil suit against the president will be lifted and i will get a deposition from the president of the united states. they will fight that enabled they will never get that deposition. let's not forget what happened in the clinton administration. it was not just criminal cases that were problematic, it was private, civil suits and depositions and allegation the lying under oath. in a private civil suit with paula jones that led to impeachment. i am not saying that we are going there. but i am saying that the cohen situation could be much more legally and politically perilous for the president and that may be why he is not weighing in. the manafort allows him to jump in and say that this is a witch hunt. >> dana: you know the history about that because you are
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reporting it back then. we have john roberts who is available to us. he is available at the white house and has new development. >> i spoke with rudy giuliani with news of the plea deal for michael cohen coming on. he did not seem worried about it at all. he said none of this was connected to the president because cohen set on multiplications that president trump knew nothing of the implications. in two payments to silence women, according to the deputy u.s. attorney, they were done at the behest of a candidate, and in coordination with the candidate to silence two women paired one was a hundred $50,000 which was called an illegal corporate contribution. you will remember that karen mcdougall, the ex-"playboy" playmate was played $150,000 by the "national enquirer" for her story. and then, of course where the payment of $130,000 on
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october 27th to stormy daniels. but giuliani told me that none of this was connected the president. cohen said in court documents that he signed that he did this at the direction of and in coordination with a candidate for federal office. now unless there is a candidate for federal office that we have not heard about that cohen had been working out, that was it just that president trump might be that federal candidate. let's not forget that cohen has a recording of himself talking to president trump about a possible payment to karen mcdougall, a payment that the president's attorney said was never made. it wasn't made by president trump. there was money that was exchanged between the "national enquirer" and karen mcdougall. putting together the pieces of this as ed henry was saying, this guilty plea by michael cohen could be problematic for the president. it is not about the russia investigation. but cohen says these payments were made to influence the
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outcome of the election. so, the special counsel investigations have a habit, as you know from your time here at the white house, dana, and going directions that they were never intended to at the beginning and finding something where believed there was nothing there before they had nothing to do with the original mandate. it looks like we could be moving in that direction. >> dana: article: says that he did this on the behest of a federal candidate. president trump's lawyer says it wasn't us, where is the remedy? maybe that remains. to me, that is unclear what happens in that instance. >> here's the thing that we don't know. partially because we don't have the full court documents it appeared that cohen only tell prosecutors that he did it at the direction and in court nation with a federal candidate? or to detail the the prosecutors who that person was, , and fedel
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prosecutors in this plea agreement for the moment at least left that person anonymous, because it may be part of another or bigger case. we don't know yet, because we don't have those documents in hand. it leaves an open question as to who was telling the truth here? was michael cohen telling the truth when he said that president trump did not know anything about the payment to stormy daniels? or is this idea that president trump knew all about it? in truth, we just don't know at this point. >> dana: any questions? >> this was not an investigation led by the mueller team. it was handed off to the southern district of new york. it was completely handled by them. is there any indication of what coordination has been with the mueller team to mark what information they might have access to, past, present, and future. >> they will have access to all of the information because it is
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all part of the department of justice. what we don't know at this point is whether or not this is going to get kicked back might get kio mueller in the sentencing phase. we were told with sources in the plea guilt that he had agreed to plead guilty in exchange for 3-5 years in prison. eight counts could land him in prison for 65 years, and the judge left it ambiguous in court. he said the sentencing would be on december 12th. the indications were from the court that cohen could be up for all of the sentences on all of the account. the disconnect here as well between what we were told about the parameters of the plea agreement, and now, leaving this open, it would seem, by the judge. now, could that mean that federal prosecutors may use the leverage of 65 years in court
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against michael cohen to fill in some of the details there? again, when you look at the manna forte case, or you look at the cohen case, this has gone far afield of what the initial mandate of the mueller commission was which was to looe of russia. the cohen plea suggests there was an issue to influence election at least in part of these two women, karen mcdougall, the ex-"playboy" playmate and stormy daniels so that is not come out with anything it was detrimental to a candidate. the only candidate that they would have been talking about was donald trump. this was kicked into an entirely different direction. by virtue of this cohen plea agreement, it was kicked into a higher gear than it was before. >> dana: we are getting closer. one last question for you from
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juan williams. >> juan: in both cases, manafort and cohen, it would look like leverage now exists for robert mueller. but i am not clear on exactly how he uses that. let's move the story forward. what happens next in terms of mueller trying to reach out to lanny davis who is the lawyer for michael cohen, or reach out to paul manafort's lawyers at this point and say, 80 years as a long time, gentlemen. this man is not a young man, let's make a deal. >> i think that there is a lot of leverage there. if you are at robert mueller, and you say to paul manafort's attorney, your guy could go away for the rest of his life, but we are prepared to offer him leniency if he helps us out with this investigation, and in the same intrigue, it could be made to michael cohen unless we finally see this plea agreement they nailed down 3-5 years which we are told going into this that
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they did. in that case, mueller would not have a lot of leverage. if you are dangling lengthy prison sentences meaning that you are dying over to individuals who are living lavish lifestyles, that is a lot of leverage to get someone to cooperate. it is unclear what either one might know about the topic at hand, which was russian collusion or obstruction of justice. he does have a pretty big carrot to dangle under their nose. >> dana: john roberts at the white house. of course, that fan out in iowa. remember when august was slow? there were years when that was the case. let's get your general thoughts and the time we have are many. >> greg: i can't believe that we are talking about this. we have a nuclear crisis and a massive opioid crisis frankly everywhere. you have a manufacturing --
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hopefully a renaissance, you have towns that have been hollowed out. what are we talking about? taxi cab confections in case of cohen and paul manafort's work and the tax evasion charge for lobbing stuff he did. this is incredible. >> dana: i am told that we have a mug shot of the alleged murder suspect. this is christian rivera. you heard matt reporting earlier that they believe this is the man who murdered mollie tibbetts. he was here in the united states illegally. we don't have much more information about him or his background on whether he had been back and forth in the united states. it is believed that he was in the area in ohio for the last 4-7 years. iowa, excuse me. as the first time we are seeing his mug shot. then, as you were saying earlier, you think the police were probably aware of him from early on and it might have taken a while for him -- >> i left federal
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law enforcement five years ago. we live in a surveillance society now. luckily, most of it is not government operated. it is private camas. we have them here. you're not going anywhere in america without leaving some divisional image footprint somewhere. that is five years later. this guy if he did what he is alleged to have done, i don't know how this guy would have gotten away with it. there is a camera somewhere in america that is catching you doing it. >> dana: you talk about how technology has solved a lot of crimes. it seems that her fitbit and iphone were both helpful and trying to at least find out what happened to her. >> technology helps solve crimes and politics helps create crimes. we are in a situation where we are too scared of being called a bigot, just by saying we would have better border enforcement or actually have borders and real immigration policy, you would be called a bigot and you have sanctuary cities.
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if you talk about century cities, you're called a bigot. to this point, i am a selfish person. my life is not reflected by the news. it puts me in the same group as 3,300,000,000 americans. i know that cohen isn't squeaky clean. i know that manafort isn't squeaky clean, i know trump is not squeaky clean. that is filler for local radio. this is not about these guys. and it's about reversing elections. that is all this is. people are getting so wrapped up in it. there are real stuff going on. it is not breaking news that cohen is a fixer. come on. >> dana: there is an investigation. the investigators followed it where they did. i don't know much about cohen. on the manafort, he had been under investigation for a while. >> the manafort trial closely played out like every white-collar conviction that i have ever witnessed. they pretrade him -- dressed
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like a crook with the $15,000 ostrich jacket, and the more than $1 million spent on gaudy suits. and you have his business associates against him. it is pretty clean-cut. the prosecutors did a good job on him here and i will point out that he has another trial coming up in september in the district of columbia. nothing that happens that he was convicted on was related to his work with the trump campaign. maybe he comes out in some way. >> dana: it doesn't have to. if you are the investigator, look here. the other thing that is strange to me, manafort is the swamp. that is what president trump ran about, draining the swamp. people who were using their jobs in washington to get really cushy contract. >> the left has martyred
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paul manafort. because of his swampy skills. to wrangle delegates. everyone understood he had been involved. trump says bob dole and others in the past, the left is essentially done by constantly attacking manafort's martyred a guy you look at the case, on his face, he is not a sympathetic figure. how do you think this be 28 is working in public opinion, you may have legally got him, but in public opinion, this is not a win for them at all. >> dana: from june-august, there have been no look opinion movement on manafort either way. everyone is already in on how they feel about it. they are locked in. i don't know if the cruelty verdict will change that that is what they found. >> i think the news will shake people. they will read this, hear about it and talk about it. i think that you have some kind of shape.
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i think your larger point is exactly right. a lot of people, especially trump supporters will potentially see this as more of the same. as a consequence, not necessarily move away from the president. i will say this in response to what i'm hearing. i think that there is a link. remember he had worked for candidates in the ukraine. people who had been supported and at some point subsidized by the russians but there is a link between the russians, manafort being at the campaign, manafort being in the trump-meeting with a lawyer. thus manafort have more to offer prosecutors who are focused on russian collusion? president trump on the tarmac in west virginia where he just landed makes the case, do you know what? this is a witch hunt. this has nothing to do with collusion. >> i don't think so. >> look at the nine ace. during the investigation of
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bill clinton. people still for this day fill fondly about bill clinton. they remember the good days. they don't remember the starr report because they felt safe. >> republicans overreach. >> if americans feel financially secure and actually safe which are two holes in trump's strategy, that is what they will remember. the stock market fell almost 20% from july to the date that the cans starr report was released. it made all of its gains backed by the end of the september. no recession, even during impeachment proceedings because the economy was healthy. >> i would also say that the republicans did overreach on clinton and it turned to the american people off. why are you going guy? they knew who they were getting. >> made this point before. what is happening when you are just awesomely thinking about that one thing, you have our
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9/11. al qaeda, bin laden was around, it was '92, '93, all of the stuff, we were dealing with this other stuff. >> dana: several months later after that that the internet bubble burst. we went into that recession. >> '98 and that bubble burst in early 2000. we had a little time there. it was a very short-lived recession. we came out of the recession and 2001, about less than two months after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. let's talk about the resiliency of the american people. >> can we bring up one point? i've heard you say on the show, and you are right. there are sides now. it is like the jets and the sharks. i think you are reading this all wrong. your side, you adequately laid out. people believe in collusion, manafort may be evidence of that.
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the other side sees it as a set up and a framing operation. both sides don't see it all. that is why i disagree with you. i don't think this will impact public approval. if they see it as more evidence of the set appeared >> juan: i think a lot of this is baked in. it is bacon because trump supporters, what did he say? i could sue the man on fifth avenue and my people would not back off me. >> he probably will -- >> juan: i think there are people in the middle. i think you talk about people living in the suburbs coming to that point, there is instability in the white house. this president is under tremendous pressure from all sides. >> dana: the economy is roaring. >> people's wallets are fat. the economy is growing in the fastest pace in ten years. they're worried about their families. as long as they feel safe and secure, that is what trump is
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delivering. >> dana: that was quite "the five." we appreciate you staying with us. stay tuned for fox news on the latest of all developments in the manafort verdict, cohen cas case, president trump rally >> bret: this is a fox news alert, i'm bret baier. specifically tonight, former trump campaign german paul manafort and former trump lawyer michael cohen. paul manafort convicted today on 8 of 18 counts of tax and bank fraud by a jury in alexandria, virginia. president trump commenting on the developments just moments ago, upon his arrival to west virginia. >> president trump: it's a witch hunt and a disgrace. this has nothing to do what they started out looking for russia involved in our campaign. i feel very badly for paul manafort. he w


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