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be arrested. my grant is over, tell me what you think on twitter. >>chris: i am chris wallace. the white house chief of staff is out. prosecutors bring president trump closer to interference and other crimes. and that u.s./china trade deal rattles wall street. >> everybody in washington now agrees that china is a bad actor doing bad things. >>chris: we will discuss trade talks. the arrest of a top chinese executive and what it means for the u.s. economy with one of the president's top advisers, larry kudlow. and a week of dramatic revelations and proper mothers russia investigation. what do the court filings show and what does it mean for the president?
>> i think it's turning around nicely. there's no collusion which is very important. >>chris: senator angus king joins us. plus - - >> we do not want a trumpet temper tantrum to cover in our policies. >>chris: we will ask our sunday panel if the government shutdown is now unavoidable. and our "power player of the week". >> the pilot said tom, you stay here, you die. >>chris: one american heroes act of devotion you will never forget. >> thomas shouted that we will be back for you somehow, someday. >>chris: all right now on "fox news sunday". hello again from fox news in
washington. the trump administration is getting a makeover. on his way to the army/navy game yesterday, the president announced john kelly will leave by the end of the year. meanwhile, uncertainty about the u.s./china trade is - - [indiscernible]. joining us now is larry kudlow. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you chris. appreciate it. >>chris: in july, president trump said that white house chief of staff would remain on the job through 2020. now he says that kelly is out as one of the top few white house staffers bid what happened? >> it's been a long two years. for the chief, general kelly. who ran homeland security and has been running the white house staff. i think by the way, he's been a very good chief. very orderly processes in the white house. not an easy thing to do.
general kelly is a remarkable patriot.he has given such phenomenal service to this country.perhaps it's time for rest. president trump, at our senior staff christmas dinner friday night had wonderful complementary things to say about the chief. i hardly concur. i suppose it's time to move on. >>chris: let me ask you two more quick questions. did kelly resign or was he forced out? >> i don't know, to be perfectly honest. i think it was very amicable. that's what i understand. again, the president saying good things about the chief. i've been in so many meetings be so many meetings in my tenure in less than a year now. i think a lot of the gossip is just wrong. i think they did get along. everyone will have disagreements, that's the way
life works. was he fired? i don't think he was fired. i wasn't privy to that final conversation but the president had great things to say about him.>>chris: what do you think of nick ayers? >> i think quite a lot of him. i've known him for a while. the president will let us know tomorrow or sometime early in the week for the next chief is going to be. in terms of nick ayers, mike pence's chief of staff, i think the world of him. >>chris: let's turn to your day jump in the stock market had a terrible week since president trump and president xi jinping had dinner in argentina.the dow lost 1100 points or 4.5 percent. the s&p 500 is now in the red for 2018. question, how much of this is because of confusion over just what the u.s. and china have agreed to? >> i don't know.
i'll grant you that trade issues, china trade issues haven't been button-down yet. the first couple days after that dinner, i was down there. the markets did very well both in china and the u.s. as a matter of fact. since then, there have been issues. the one - - issue that was violating sanctions. canada has taken them in and they will probably be extradited. there have been different statements here and there. i can tell you right now, we are on track. china has finally, wednesday and thursday, china's commerce department issued very positive promising statements. sometimes i think these things get lost. maybe the beautiful funeral of former president bush. they said they agreed with the timetable. they agree with the deadlines. they expect to be moving immediately to take actions. on key commodities for example by lowering tariffs and opening
export sales. things like agriculture and energy. 35 chinese agencies and the supreme court are now working on new legislation to deal with the ip theft issues. when you piece it together chris, there's a lot of good things out there. i think sometimes it gets lost in the shuffle. >>chris: is part of the reason it's time loss and why it took to wednesday and thursday for people to find out. because there are big differences between how the president and the white house is describing what was agreed to what the chinese are saying was agreed to be let me put a couple of them up. the u.s. says china agreed to quote, very substantial purchases of agricultural and other products. the chinese say nothing specific about how big those
purchases will be. president trump says the chinese will remove their 40 percent tariff on u.s. auto imports for the chinese are ducking that one. and then there's the difference between what you and white house trade advisor peter navarro had to say on friday about that 90 day deadline for suspension of tariff increases. >> the president indicated, there's good solid movement and some good action. he might be willing to extend the 90 days. we will have to see on that. >> if it's not resolved in 90 days, is this a demonstration willing to walk away? >> it's not a question of working way, it's moving forward on the strategies. >>chris: that contradiction between you and peter navarro led to a 500 point drop in the dow. forget the chinese. the white house can't seem to get it story straight. >> with all respect, i don't think there's much daylight between peter and david we are
focused right now on this first 90 day increment. regarding what may happen in the future and presidential considerations, that will be up to potus of course working with president xi jinping. i understand people are looking for issues. let me read quickly. it was the chinese commerce department announcement that i think it was wednesday or thursday. china will immediately implement specific issues that have been agreed upon by agriculture products, energy and automobiles tariff. announcement coming from the state tariffs commission. as i said earlier, it was announced that a number of chinese agencies and the supreme court are looking at new laws to prevent intellectual property theft. these are very strong indications president trump himself.he called me early thursday morning to say, did you see that announcement? and i did. i think it's very positive. really, we are making more
progress on more specific issues than ever before. now, let me add quickly. trust but verify. that's very important. - - will be looking very carefully at these negotiations. he will evaluate, he will make sure there are enforcement mechanisms and timetable mechanism. nothing in this game is done until it's absolutely verified to our satisfaction. so that's a caveat. however, the statements are very positive. >>chris: except the president treated 40 percent tariff on auto imports is lifted. the chinese have not committed to that and there was a big bump in the road on saturday night. president xi jinping and president trump having dinner
together. you're at the table with them. suddenly, there's the arrest last saturday of - - the chief financial officer of telecom giant - - for allegedly violating u.s. sanctions on trade with china. couple quick questions. one, did president trump know about that arrest when he sat down to dinner with president xi jinping and if not, what was his reaction afterwards? >> he did not know but he did not know and had no reaction afterwards. >>chris: the reports have been that he was livid. as an outsider, if one of the top businessmen in the other person's country was being arrested while i'm making my set dinner, i'd be livid. >> he didn't know. okay, i will state that unequivocally. he learned to play later by the way. way later. look, regarding the prosecution, to me just say, that's a law enforcement action. primarily department of justice. it is a very important issue
because the evidence suggests at least so for that - - they did bring sanctions. we'll see how that plays out. that's an enforcement - - >>chris: i want to ask you one question. if i may, larry. republican senator marco rubio said this week after the arrest that - - a telecom giant is a bad actor. >> knowing the history and how it served as an instrument of chinese espionage, it's concerning. we have a case to be made. the right thing to do is to charge her and for canada to extradite her. >>chris: now, china is warning the same again canada where she's being held that there will be consequences if she continues to be held. one of the top papers in china,
the global times says her resume is to a declaration of war. can you guarantee me as part of this negotiation, the president and the administration will not let her go? >> chris, i can't guarantee anything. this is a doj, nsc law-enforcement issue. i'm not an attorney. it's outside my lane. so we will see. the u.s. has laws about these things. they have a number of laws on the books now that protect a number of points. not only violations of sanctions. we have laws about anything that was stolen. we are discussing laws, people can't do business in the u.s. where goods and services and intellectual property that we think were stolen. that's just being tough and protecting the family jewels in my judgment and protecting the integrity of u.s. national security policy. very important. how this affects trade, i can't
sit here and be absolutely definitive. it seems to me there's a trade lane that we are discussing that you and i both agree, the early returns in china are very positive. it looks like he will get new action. and there is a law enforcement lane. they are different. i think president trump and president xi jinping and lower officials will generate or continue to keep that different. i might be wrong but i can predict the future on this thing. but there are different channels and i think they will be viewed that way for quite some time.>>chris: larry, thank you. thanks for your time and we will watch how the markets do this week. >> thank you chris. >>chris: up next, we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the departure of white house chief of staff john kelly and other shakeups in the administration. check out the united explorer card. savin' on this! savin' on this! savin' in here. rewarded! learn more at the explorer card dot com.
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at the end of the year. we will be announcing who will be taking john's place. it might be on an interim basis. i will announce that over the next day or two. >>chris: president trump announcing on his way to the army-navy game, he's letting john kelly go amid a number of staff changes.it's time now for our sunday group. former congressman jason chaffetz. translated from the "washington post". former democratic congresswoman jane harman. director of the woodrow wilson center. and guy benson. congressman jason chaffetz, president trump announced yesterday that john kelly is out. ishis likely replacement, nick ayers. very sharp political operative. the vice presidents chief of
staff. question, what happened to kelly and if in fact nick ayers is taking over from kelly, what does that tell us about where the temp presidency is headed over the next two years?x this country owes much of the kelly family. >> the sacrifice and the loss of his son. he served two years on homeland security and chief of staff. by all accounts, it's of the mulch was time in the white house. nick ayershas proven himself with the vice president. very different approach than general kelly . >>chris: in what way? >> he seems to be very disciplined. he did cut his teeth early on on the campaign issues. as we transition into 2020, i think it's important to note that mick mulvaney also in the mix. seems like nick ayers will get it. there might be an interim person. >>chris: when you think is
political. is part of it that we are headed toward 2020, a democratic congress.you need a politically savvy person in that job? >> i think you have to deal with the democrat controlled house of representatives and you couple that with the 2020 election. you need somebody who can bridge that gap and what the president's attention will be drawn towards. >>chris: chuck, given how president runs his shop. can anyone succeed as white house chief of staff? nick ayers was a very sharp political operative. he was - - he has his own credit. >> yes he does. he's thought to have maybe as part of being sharp elbows but he's a young man in a hurry. he's in his mid-30s and that always draws resentment from the more experienced types. the other people in the mix are jared kushner and the president's daughter ivanka.
>>chris: when you say in the mix, they're not going to be chief of staff. >> know but they've been known to involve themselves. they had something to do with general kelly's departure too. they have struggled along for stability. at a certain point, you say to yourself, is it the staff or is it the president? the president thrives it seems on conflict and instability. that seems to be what makes him comfortable. he likes, as he was said himself, he like some people are in conflict around him and he can deal with that. a best case scenario for this warehouse is that they find somebody that can hold on for the next two years until the election but that would be different from the previous two years. >>chris: speaking of conflict and unfinished staff business. nine months after rex tillerson was dismissed by tweets. he finally got around to talking about what it was like to work for president trump.
it's just a taste of that. >> he doesn't like to be. doesn't debriefing reports. doesn't like to get into the details of a lot of things but rather just kind of cells, this is what i believe. when the president would say, here's what i want to do. and here's how i want to do. i'd have to say, mr. president, i understand what you want to do but you can't do it that way. it violates the law. it violates a treaty. >>chris: not surprisingly, the president fired back. rex tillerson didn't have the mental capacity needed. he was dumb as a rock and i couldn't get him fast enough. he was lazy as hell. congresswoman harmon, i guess they won't be sending christmas cards to each other this year. >> i have no idea why rex tillerson did thatinterview . >>chris: we love that he did that interview. well, fine. congratulations on 15 years on
fair and balanced inkling of this show. big deal. back to this, i came of age when john kennedy said ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country.we just buried a present for duty, honor and country where the theme of his service over his entire lifetime. i think rex tillerson came to washington out of the feeling of duty, honor and country. i think he was an excellent head at exxon. >>chris: he was not a very good secretary of state. >> he had no experience at the state department and certainly was a misstep with president trump. i think the latest tweet is a sad, a lack of civility and respect for honorable people who come to serve. >>chris: rex tillerson punched. >> yes, i think the whole thing
was unfortunate. just a comment on john kelly who absolutely gave his son, his son gave his own life in afghanistan to protect our country. we should really honor his service. i surely hope we would not see tweets like the rex tillerson tweet after john kelly leaves. his military service was so honorable. >>chris: guy, let's go back to my last conversation with larry kudlow. what do you make of the differences we are seeing and how the u.s., president and white house is describing what was agreed to or even what's on the table in the discussions between the u.s. and china. and what the chinese are saying about it. the markets right to be concerned about those differences and how big a monkeywrench did the arrest of this really top, i don't think you can overstate how important this chinese businesswoman is. what kind of a monkeywrench that threw into all of this?
>> i think on the arrest it's one of the rare instances where there was virtual unanimity about that country and that they are bad actors. and that something like this was due and important. given their sanctions violations, espionage, ip theft. there was bipartisan applause. maybe the timing was unfortunate given the broader context of the back and forth in these negotiations. to your first question, i'm a big fan of larry kudlow. always have been, but i was not terribly convinced by his responses to your questions. where you put up the full screen graphics. here's what we are saying, here's what the chinese are saying. where do we go from here? i think there was a lot of let's wait and see. the markets are waiting and singing and i think that's why we are witnessing the downturn and the jitters. >>chris: we've seen this movie before where there's talk about an agreement they begin months of negotiations and nothing
much concrete comes from the chinese. how worried are you and how worried should the markets be that we will see this again? is i think the president is moving us in the right direction. >> we all know they've been abusive in their intellectual property theft. the fact that the president is putting america first is exactly what he campaigned on. no doubt it will be a tumultuous getting there but the president is pushing us in the right direction. >>chris: are you confident the chinese will keep their word? >> i do. i think the - - situation will be a distraction. i can tell you having sat a lot of meetings over the 8.5 years i served. ãwas and a lot of those discussions. >> right goal but the wrong way to manage it and i think people are skittish seeing the photo op with north korea and russia that we will get another photo
off and no serious progress. >>chris: we have to take a break. we will see you later. when we come back, what robert dollars latest moves mean for president trump. we will discuss the key takeaways from friday's filings with senator angus king, a member of the senate intelligence committee. that's next. we've been helping you prepare and invest for retirement since day one. why would we leave now? because i'm retired now. so? we're voya. we stay with you to and through retirement... with solutions to help provide income throughout. so you'll still be here to help me make smart choices? well, with your finances that is. we had nothing to do with that, uh, tie. or the suit. or the shirt. voya. helping you to and through retirement. >>chris: a flurry of court
filings reveal new information about robert moses russia investigation. now federal prosecutors are trying to connect the dots between president trump, his campaign, his company and the kremlin. joining me now from maine, senator angus king, an independent and a key member of the senate intelligence committee. the special concerns special prosecutors issued issued court filings on paul manafort, michael cohen and general michael flynn. question, what if anything did you learn about possible
criminal activity by president trump and what does this investigation stands now? >> i think the first thing to say is that the filings on friday, with regard to paul manafort and the district of new york talking about michael cohen and robert mueller. i thought they were less interesting if you will important than the michael flynn file earlier in the week. and what was interesting about that was, what wasn't sent there were large sections of the filingthat were redacted . that we could see what they were. the special counsel went out of his way to complement general flynn on the rules of his testimony and how hopeful he had been. and basically recommended no jail time. it was a kind of prosecutorial pardon if you will. based on high level of cooperation. the mueller and cohen filings when it - - the paul manafort
and cohen filings went as revealingly michael cohen basically went over the information that had been revealed in his plea arrangement. >>chris: senator, let me drill down on one point there.on the illegal hush money payments to two women, new prosecutors right, michael cohen himself has now admitted with respect to both payments but he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one we know to be donald trump and how damaging is not to the president? >> the president has a series of defenses if indeed that is charged to be a crime against a good one would be, it wasn't willful and knowing which is what the statute requires. also the question is, it was his own money, a candidate can
spend as much money as they want. there are no limitations. on the other hand, it wasn't disclosed and that's one of the key factors. the key word is at the direction of, which directly implicates the president and what could be a felony. so that is a significant development. but that was really in michael cohen's guilty plea last august. this sort of amplifies. >>chris: let me ask you about another thing in the cohen filing by the special counsel. the special counsel says in november 2015, someone who claimed to be close to the russian government offered quote, synergy on a government level to the term campaign. michael cohen says he didn't follow up but he did have a series of other meetings with russian officials but how significant is that?>> i think it is significant because it's one more connection. it appears that that discussion is about the trump tower moscow project. which we now know was under way and being discussed thus not
underway in terms of being built but they were working on trying to develop such a project from the fall of2015 into the middle of 2016 , which is contrary to earlier reports that there was no relationship with the russians and nothing going on is the thing chris, if you want to build a big project in moscow, you've got to work with the government. you've got to have permission. you have to have a go-ahead from the highest levels of the government and that means vladimir putin this establishes there were contacts going on during that period and michael cohen was in the middle of the. >>chris: so bottom line, at the end of this week as opposed to if i spoke to you last sunday. is there anywhere there when it comes to the president? >> i don't think it changes that. well, let me modify that answer but i think yes, going back to
my original comment but i think the michael flynn filing was significant. he met with the special counsel dozens of times and gave a great deal of information that a lot of which is redacted which is suggestive there is information we don't know. i think that's the most significant filing of the week. i think the paul manafort michael cohen finally gave us a little additional information but i think the flynn filing if i were in the white house would be the one that makes me nervous. >>chris: i want to ask you about the president's reaction friday night and he tweeted this. totally clears the president. thank you. does it? >> no. i don't see that at all.in fact, the cohen filing as you pointed out implicates and in the commission of a felony. i wouldn't call that being totally cleared. it doesn't speak directly to the issue of conspiracy with the russians involving the 2016 campaign. although, again, the cohen
filing talks about relationships to people in russia at the highest level with regard to synergy with the russian government and the term campaign. it's suggestive but not conclusive. chris, there's a lot of talk recently about smoking guns. and criminal prosecutions, you rarely find smoking guns. it's an examination of evidence and that's what's happening here - - and accumulation of evidence. it's more of a drip drip then an opening of a firehose. it's in ways not favorable to the president but as you suggest, there's nothing definitive but there's nothing that exonerates the president either. i was surprised by that tweet i was wondering if you read the same documents i did. >>chris: the president had two
other tweets this week that stirred controversy. on michael cohen seeking no prison time the president broke, he lied for this outcome and should in my opinion is a full and complete sentence. but on roger stone thing, he will never testify against mr. trump, the president wrote nice to know some people still have guts. do you see those tweets as some other people do as evidence of witness tampering? >> i think it's troubling and could add a third instance when he said last week that a pardon for paul manafort is not off the table. i found that very troubling. that's dangling a pardon. i used to be a governor and i have the power of a pardon and to me, if i had thought about attending a criminal who had some ability to implicate me in some criminal activity. i can't imagine it, frankly. that's what were talking about you. when you add those three things together, it's very troubling. again, it's not definitive. not a smoking gun. but it's troubling when you're essentially saying, punish the
guy was giving information against me. let the guys off and talking. the best that aren't talking. that is troubling. db characterization. >>chris: former fbi director james comey testify before to committees for a total of almost 7 hours. afterwards, he had this to say. >> when you read the transcript you will see we're talking about hillary clinton's emails. i'm not sure we need to do this at all. >>chris: the republican majority have contended and what they were trying to find out and asked about flowers in this hearing - - four hours, is that there was bias in that investigation and against donald trump in that investigation. did you see evidence of that? >> no. there's a really important point here and that is the investigation of donald trump
was completely secretive. it wasn't made public at all. there wasn't a width or suggestion. nobody knew about the election until well after the election is that investigation was undertaken for political purposes, it had no results. it didn't affect the election whatsoever. on the other hand, the hillary clinton investigation was very public. and many people feel director comey's statements about reopening the investigation in the latter part of october about a week or 10 days before the election, was one of the things that sunk hillary clinton's campaign. i understand the argument but the conclusion doesn't support it. the trump investigation was political, they certainly didn't pull the trigger on a. >>chris: the republicans are making a big deal about the fact that fbi director comey, former director said, i don't recall. i don't remember over 200 times in his testimony. do you think that indicates he
was assembling were not being candid? >> i had probably 20 meetings in the intelligence committee with him over the course of five years and i never saw that from him.it would be surprising to me that i wasn't there and i didn't see it. on the question of the little hillary thing. the inspector general of the justice department did a very long, a 150 page analysis and concluding the word judgment calls they disagreed with. but it was undertaken in any way for political purposes. that's an independent investigation that was very thorough. >>chris: senator king, thank you.always good to talk with you. >> yes sir, glad to be with you. >>chris: up next, president trump find a short-term government bill to keep the government through december 21. what would you like to ask the
>> congress must fully fund - - we have to get this done. >> president trump wants to throw a temper tantrum and shut down the government over christmas over the wall. that's his decision. >>chris: president trump and chuck schumer squaring off over whether the must pass government funding bill in two weeks will include money for the border war with mexico or not. and we're back with the panel. congressman, president trump is insisting on $5 billion for the wall in this bill that has to be passed a week from next friday, the 21st. four days before christmas.
democratic leaders announcing they want to make a deal on daca if it means they have to from the wall to $5 billion. does this mean a government shutdown, it will be partial. because they pass a number of bills already.a government shutdown is inevitable and if so, who pays the political price? >> i think it's a real threat because the president wants his $5 billion. it's embarrassing, the republicans were able to produce that when they had the house. $1 trillion over those two years and they couldn't come up with $5 billion, it's an embarrassment. i thinkthe president is serious about this i think all battles passed within seven days of christmas . >>chris: if there is a shutdown. who pays the price? >> i think the president is on the winning side. they want to protect the
security of the united states of america and all of these graphics and things you see of people coming north, - - will claim victory but many will understand the president is trying to protect the united states. >>chris: we got this on twitter, she writes, i thought mexico was paying for the wall, am i misremembering the promise during his make america great rallies? or was he playing plane lying? does nancy pelosi, if she were to give any ground. does not doom her as her role as speaker? >> first of all, mexico is not paying for the wall. i was a member of congress and the government shutdown over christmas for 27 days in 1995. it was a disaster. it was during the reign of newt
gingrich. at any rate, was to pay the price, i think the president will. nancy pelosi should make a deal in my view and chuck schumer should too. put daca in there, ending u.s. military assistance to yemen which is something on a bipartisan basis that the senate wants. those would be at least two. border security is something i strongly support. not necessarily a physical wall. >>chris: that's the president's - - >> you can't put into an environmental areas along the coast of texas. >>chris: but you would pay for a wall? >> hemorrhaging deficits. if we are headed for a recession, these billions of dollars to add up. with the trump tax bill and other things, there's just no relief in sight. so i would return if i could, some form of this wonderful plan that was supposed to balance the budget and cut spending.
>>chris: all of this isn't going to happen in two weeks. let me bring in our other two colleagues. guy, how do think this will play out? >> even though the possibility of a shutdown is serious. obviously, we are here talking about it. if there is a shutdown, it's always a partial settlement it will be even more partial in this case because the republican congress has passed for appropriations bills regular order than they've done in more than two decades. including defense. i think the urgency and the scare tactics in the fire around the shutdown won't be available to the democrats. although i think they will get their licks in on the president if the wall is the sinking point. >> who pays the price here?>> this is the last stand for the wall with republicans in control. if there's a shutdown over the wall, i think the president will be reported for his base for making that struggle.
if it goes on a lot longer than that because there isn't a lot of support generally, then he will pay a price. >>chris: for all the talk about by republicans about democratic voter fraud, there seems to be another case in north carolina where it was the republicans who were involved in voter fraud.republican mark harris has a 905 vote lead over democrat dan mccready in a race for congress. mccready had already conceded but now there are allegations of a gop operative mishandling hundreds of absentee ballots which may have been the difference. and the democrat mccready has now on conceded. god, what you make of this and explain what's going on here? >> it doesn't look good. if you read into the details, i would not be surprised if the end of seeing a new election in north carolina. i think this shady character's fingerprints are all over this.
>>chris: tell what he did. >> he was collecting ballots, absentee ballots. >>chris: it was a republican, not mark harris. >> somebody working for him. he's worked with both parties over the course of time. he has this amazing track record where his clients tend to outperform expectations by far when it come to absentee ballots. they collect these from voters, something happens to them and someof them appear in some disappear. and then boom, the outcomes tend to benefit his clients . >>chris: we should point out, it's even got a name called, both harvesting.in north carolina, it's illegal. either you have to send your absentee ballot or somebody connected to. a relative has to submit the ballot. it can be somebody submitting hundreds of ballots. >> setting aside this case and was caroline, that both
harvesting scheme is perfectly legal in places like california. there was a fascinating piece on npr where they look that will this incident reduce screening in places like colorado. where this could be a widespread problem. >>chris: here is the reaction from the democratic party chair in north carolina. >> voters deserve to know the truth. and as more details come to life every day, becomes increasingly clear that a full investigation must be completed before the election can be certified. >>chris: that gets very interesting chuck, the cost there's going to be an investigation inside north carolina about this. but ultimately, who decides whether or not to - - a member of congress? the congress, the house. >> by the way, next year that will be nancy pelosi and the
democratic majority point might that would be mark harris will never be seated, the republica . either because this new election which he can't win with cloud over him or because the election is never certified or finally because, the democrats never agree to seat him. >>chris: in fairness, there's no evidence mark harris knew about this. >> correct. this gentleman was not the republicanparty of north carolina's choice for this seat. robert to injure , the incumbent was. this was an insurgent republican candidate so there's not a lot of love for him. >>chris: it turns out in the republican primary, the same thing happened. >> i think there's very little incentive for the republicans to go to the mat for this guy. it's only 1c out of a large minority conference but i think he's toast. >>chris: instead of 40 seat pickup it to be a 41 seat
pickup. >> in 1994, when the late absentee votes were counted. in los angeles, it was a requirement that your family had to bring in the absentee vote. i finally won by 811 votes and my election was certified. >>chris: in the story i read, it has changed and anybody can bring them in. you can harvest votes. thank you panel. see you next sunday. up next, our "power player of the week" for a story of devotion from two members of the greatest generation.
>> as we heard this week in the farewell to president bush, tales of heroism from world war ii have become part of our national identity. but some members of his greatest generation volunteered for the three-year conflict in korea. filled with heroes of its own, including our power players of the week. >> tom and jesse were devoted to their country. they were devoted to each other. devotion was his overarching theme. it was just fitting for men going to serve their country. >> - - is the author of devotion, and epic story of heroism, friendship and sacrifice. and what a story it is. tom had never came from the country clubs of new england and jesse brown, from the sharecropper fields of mississippi. when they met as pilots in the
korean war, jesse was surprised. tom came over to shake his hand. >> it was unusual that this tom was open to being friends with a black pilot it took jesse a little while to get used to the fact he could trust this man. >>chris: by 1950, jesse was the first black carrier pilot in the navy. he and tom were flying combat missions over the - - reservoir in korea where 100,000 chinese troops encircled 20,000 u.s. marines. >> the only way to find the enemy when you're seeking them out is to get low and slow. in this case, jesse's plane was hit by a random shop at agolden bullet if you will. >>chris: jesse saw a pastor on top of the snow covered mountain. somehow, he guided his course air to our hard landing. >> the minute his plane hits, the clock is ticking.
the enemy can see the smoke rising because the airplane is slowly catching fire. they begin moving in that direction. >>chris: what did tom do? tom has did something that had never been attempted. he made an intentional crash landing in that same pastor alongside jesse's plane. >>chris: tom shoveled snow into the engine to stop the fire and then tried to pull jesse from the plane. but he was trapped in the wreckage and had serious injuries. >> he almost practically held his hand and stayed with him as the darkness set in and jesse was fading. and he took him jesse's last words. and it was, tell daisy how much i love her. the last message to his wife. >> he died with me and my mom on his mind and asked tom to deliver a message of love to my mom and me. >>chris: daisy was jesse's wife and pam was their only child, not quite ttwo. >> he had this great love for my mom that his last thoughts were of her. it makes me feel i have a legacy that is difficult to
live up to. >>chris: a helicopter flew 13 miles behind enemy lines to rescue tom. didn't want to leave his dead wing man. >> the pilot said we have to go. tom, you stay here. you die. you join jesse. tom shouted at the cockpit and said jesse, we will be back to you somehow, someday. >>chris: tom thought he would be court-martialed for crashing his plane. instead, he was the first member of the navy to receive the medal of honor in the korean war.did he carry the memory of jesse brown to his career and through his life? >> he helped put jesse's widow through college. when he received the cash award from the residents of his town, he sensed that check down to daisy. >>chris: but one thing always bothered tom but he never returned to get jesse. in 2013, tom was 89. he and adam went to north korea to meet officials there. >> we have great hopes we can find the airplane. >>chris: but it was the monsoon season and they never got
there. tom died in 2017. back in 1950, a navy reconnaissance flight found the two - - and recent satellite images identified the pastor. but the two planes were likely salvaged for scrap metal and pam and adam could only hope someone buried jesse. how much would it mean to you to get your data remains back? >> it would mean everything to know my father as a final resting place. here on this side. we we can go visit. and also that we are keeping a promise to my mom. >>chris: adam hopes it's part of a mac diplomacy with north korea to keep his promise to his friend. >> he didn't see it as some big act.
he would always say, what's a big deal to crash a plane on a mountain to save a friend. jesse would have done it for me. >>chris: last saturday, the u.s. may be welcome to the newest ship and its flipping the uss thomas huttner was commissioned in boston. that's it for today. have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday". let's ask kim strassel who has been following this story from the first. let's take this from >> let's talk about the michae