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that's it for sp "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. "the story" hosted by my friend martha mccallum starts right now. we are winding up for a big town hall with bernie sanders next week. >> martha: yes. we are looking forward to that. good to see you, bret. thank you very much. all right tonight on "the story" karen pence will respond to this from rising democrat candidate mayor pete buttigieg. >> that's the thing i wish the mike pences of the world would understanding if you have a problem with who i am your problem is not with me. your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. >> martha: karen pence coming up here live tonight. i'm martha mccallum and this is "the story." this headline in the "new york times" with a provocative question the democratic electorate on twitter, hello, is not the actual democratic electorate. fantasy graphics lay out this argument. social media savvy progressives all over twitter and the like according to this make up a very small slice of democrat voters.
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still, of course the loudest voices always get the most attention. >> a lot of what the green new deal is about shifting our political, economic, and social paradigm. >> we will pass a medicare for all single pair program. >> i support reparations. >> yes, let's abolish the electoral college. >> martha: no doubt former president obama knows this and that's why he has of late been saying a lot of things like this. >> we start sometimes creating what's called a circular firing squad where you start shooting at your allies because one of them is spraying from purity on the issues. >> martha: nancy pelosi, no doubt, knows that too. and that is why she may be snapping back at the twitter afficionado aoc. she says while there are people who have a large number of twitter followers,
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what's important is that we have large number of votes on the floor of the house, says the speaker. the article, based on analysis of data from the hidden tribes project claims that among those democrats who don't live in the twitter verse, 53% of them identify as leaning moderate or conservative. and 70% of the democrats that they looked at say that political correctness is a problem in america. so are these democrats vastly out of step with the voters that they are trying to court to win in 2020? here now mike huckabee, former arkansas governor and fox news contributor and ed rendell former democratic national committee chairman and former pennsylvania governor. welcome, governors, to both of you. good to have you here tonight. so, ed rendell, let me start with you. what do you take away from those numbers and those graphics? >> well, martha, i said the same thing on your show the last month. the media has bought into this -- the 2018 election showed the democrats are
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moving more to the left. not so, the democrats who were successful in 2018 in taking back congressional seats and governorships were moderates, slightly left of center democrats. that's number one. number two, even with the millennials, who the conventional wisdom in the twitter verse are really wildly progressive. 50% or almost 50% of them describe themselves as moderate. so it's a fact and we better start realizing that fact or we are in big trouble. >> martha: let's take a look at that monday moth poll. it says majority of democrats want someone who can beat trump. that's one of their top priorities, 56% say that they would prefer candidate you would agree with you about hard time beating trump. 56% say don't agree with 33% say agree with. governor huckabee, as you take a look at this, there is obviously a propensity, you know, to show these kinds of folks who are
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saying things getting attention far to the left or far to the right. does it reflect where america is and will the parties nominate people who are where america is? >> i think one thing you could say is get woke, go broke. if the democrat nominees for president and right now there is about 340 people running. [laughter] >> on the democrat side and with the exception of joe biden, and he is in all kinds of trouble just because he is an afox news affectionate guy and has the personality of a labrador retriever, but apart from him, most of these candidates are all trying to out left each other. if they continue on that path, guys like my friend ed rendell by the way he and i are different on views he is left of center and i'm right of center both are pragmatist. when they are pragmatist they have the ability to touch the heart of folks. bill clinton was pragmatist and he got elected. when they nominate as a
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democratic party mcgovern and dukakis and mondale they lose. he may not have governed that way he campaigned that way. >> martha: everything in berlin trying to pull his party back towards the center. >> exactly. >> martha: i want to play this from alexandria ocasio-cortez at south by southwest in austin, basically saying that she thinks that -- if you call yourself a moderate that's being weak. watch. >> moderate is not a stance. it's just an attitude toward life of like eh and the meh is like worshiped now for, what? like for what? >> martha: she is saying unless you are thinking about things the way she is you are just meh, you are nothing, you don't care about anything. you are not passionate about
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anything. >> that's ridiculous. people are moderate either left of center or right of center believe in things as strongly as she does. the only difference is we are pragmatic we know to get things done you have to be in a position to implement them. you have to work across the other side. you can't demonize the other side. we have to work together as a country. and we have to tell people the truth. we can't tell people you can have free tuition and medicare for all. you can have the green new deal and you are not going to have to pay a dime for it. you can't say that stuff. >> martha: one of the things that strikes me here i think somebody like howard schultz looks at this and says yep, that's my lane. if they nominate somebody -- some of the people we have just shown, he believes that that -- that there will be -- all those democrats baited to the background of graphics we showed in the beginning are going to be looking for somebody who they think about the way america should go. also, governor huckabee, president trump does not
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have great approval ratings with independent voters right now. and that's the lane that howard schultz believes that he could take in, 41% approval rating according the most recent fox poll for the president, 51% saying that they disapprove. what do you say to that? >> well, if howard schultz wants to run for president he needs to run as a democrat which he has historically been because you can't wins a an independent. all you can do is be a spoiler. i hope he runs as an independent because it gives donald trump a much better likelihood of being reelected. but, when the democrats are running on the green new deal, open borders, late-term abortion, getting rid of private insurance in favor of a government-run healthcare system and letting inmates vote while they are still in prison, again, they are just moving further away than their own party contingency can even accept. howard schultz would have a message for democrats but he won't do it. migrate feamymy great fear is tt
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someone like ed rendell runs. you have to talk about solutions. >> martha: that may be. but they are pointing to all these guys biden and all -- call them the b boys. bernie sanders saying that, you know, those guys are done, you know, that they are sort of the party of the past, ed. >> interestingly, if you look at all of the town hall meetings being done on cnn and other met yorks, best town hall meeting performance is by amy klobuchar who i would correct mike is probably certainly a moderate left of center candidate. >> martha: absolutely. >> she tells the truth. she said college kid asked her about free tuition. and she had the guts to say no. >> martha: do you think she can break through? >> >> the problem is she is not getting the media coverage that the other more progressive candidates are getting. if amy gets a fair shake and
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joe biden stays out of it, i think amy could be the candidate but i am not sure she will get a fair shake. >> martha: we invited her here and hope she is going to come and hope she dual a town hall with us as well. that's definitely part of our goal to give all of these folks some exposure. >> she should. >> martha: and fair shake as you say. ed, thank you very much and governor huckabee as well. governors, thank you, both. here now brit hume fox news senior political analyst. brit, usc listening t you have n listening to this conversation going on on the democratic side of the aisle what do you think? >> i think those two guys make all kinds of sense, martha. and despite the survey information that you mentioned, i agree that twitter users may not constitute the bulk of either party but make no mistake about it, the energy of the democratic party is on the left right now and to some extent the farther left the better. which -- explains why amy klobuchar isn't getting a lot of media because she
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didn't make a lot of news. and alexandria ocasio-cortez and her ideological allies are making the news and they're the ones that excite people. and you see the applause that someone like her generates in meetings and so on and you get a sense that there is something real about that. and ed rendell is right to worry that that would draw the democratic party into a bad place. >> martha: you get into sort of a cycle where you have the media and folks in washington and everybody who spends a lot of time on twitter, you know, feeding each other and feeding the media and feeding these sound bites and putting things on twitter. it is, i think, -- opening to look at those graphics and realize that so many people do not participate in any of that at all. and the parties ignore that at their peril. >> they do martha. there is a real danger. i think the danger in the case of the democratic party is general election danger because an awful lot of people don't pay a lot of attention to primaries and,
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you know, might vote either way in a general election. you know, they are the ones whose numberses you are going to need when it gets down to the fall election. if you are talking about reparations and, you know, free college tuition, and abolishing the electoral college and the whole range of other extraordinarily extreme measures. you know, that might get you somewhere on the democratic primary but i think it's going to poison your situation in the general election. it may turn out, martha, that it will poison your situation in the primaries as well but, primaries depend on energy. and people willing to come out on cold nights in iowa and trek through the snows of new hampshir new hampshire. >> martha: you have got to rile up the crowd. >> you do and raise money. it's possible that the old guard will rally here and get behind somebody like amy klobuchar or maybe even joe biden. but, it hasn't happened yet. >> martha: i want to ask you about bernie sanders who
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said this today. he is getting ready to release his tax returns. he says he is going to release 10 years. he has gotten a lot of heat for not doing that on the left. here is what he said he is likely to show up as a millionaire on those tax returns. watch this. oh, it's a quote so i will read it. can we put it up? there it is. i wrote a best-selling book he declared if you write a best-selling book you can be a millionaire, too. what do you think about that bret? brit brit good for him for writing a best selling book and being able to sell it that's capitalism. >> martha: that's what i was thinking. sounds like a good argument for capitalism from a socialist. >> seems to me it is, too. i don't begrudge him being a millionaire at all what bothers him and a lot of voters over time is that he is running basically on a conspiracy theory in which he is given to say that the billionaire class in america, which is tiny in relation to the population, is -- controls our economy
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and increasingly, he says, controls our politics. i just don't think that's true. yes, billionaires have their sources of influence. mostly they profit from the economy. i don't think they control it. and i certainly don't think they control our politics. yes, they have an influence and many would argue they have more than they should. they are not controlling it that's a conspiracy theory. it's nutty. and to the extent that he believes that, it's worrisome because you would think, you know, the guy has been around as long as he has and knows how out world works would know better. >> martha: we will see him in bethlehem on monday night. >> i will be looking forward to that martha. it will be fun. >> martha: we are definitely looking forward to it, too. it's going to be funnel. you talked a lot about people throwing words and phrases around that are dangerous, these words and phrases to tag people with like racist and it feels like the new one that has a lot of attention is white nationalist. you know, and you look at this tweet from ilhan omar, she called steven miller,
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who works in the west wing at the white house a white nationalist. the fact that he still has influence on policy and political appointments is an outrage. and she just got pressed further on this on cnn, brit, here is what she had to say. >> you know we are talking about someone who truly believes not a single refugee, a single immigrant should set foot on american soil. and i'm appalled by that. because, unlike him and others, i haven't forgotten my roots. >> martha: what do you make of that brit? >> he may or may not have made that crack about refugees coming in to america. he certainly has not said that he doesn't want any grants to come into america. no doubt in my mind steven miller is a nationalist. calling him a white nationalist is another way of saying is he a racist. look, there are people, i tend to be more of a liberal on immigration than a number of other people that i know,
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especially conservatives. but i -- i don't think those people are racist. and i don't think worrying about the levels of immigration and who may be coming in is racist. it may be racial in the sense that you are more worried about some group than other. but it's not racist. that term as you and i have talked about more than once is flung about -- it's an absolutely terrible thing to say about somebody. what it comes down to is this. there is an overwhelming consensus in america against racism. and if you, in politics can successfully tag your opponent as racist, you can do great damage. that is the temptation that politicians like ilhan omar face and that is if you can stick that label on somebody and make it stay, then you can do great damage. and the temptation to do so ruthlessly is too great for too many people. too great for her and too many others. >> martha: thank you so much, brit. great to see you tonight. brit hume in washington. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: coming up next here. the house republican who says after barr's testimony
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>> more generally, i am reviewing the conduct of the investigation and trying to get my arms around all the aspects of the counterintelligence investigation that was conducted during out summer of 2016. >> joining me now republican congressman doug collins of georgia the ranking member of the house judiciary committee. sir, welcome. good to have you here tonight. there are reports this evening that the attorney general is assembling a team to look into that at the department of justice. are you aware of that? >> not aware from first-hand, martha. if that is what he said, bill barr has been a straight shooter from the moment he has been sworn in. he did exactly what he said he would do. he has done it in a way that's consistent with regulations, consistent with the law. is he interested like many of us have been in how we got here. it's not just a place that mueller has came out with his report and we have found that there was no collusion, that there is not a charge of obstruction.
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there was nothing there. it's now important to find out how did this actually start? and that's what we are looking forward to. we are glad he is actually looking into it. >> martha: here is adam schiff on what he heard here today. oh, okay. i'm sorry. schumer. that's what i meant. senator schumer, please. play that. >> thus far, i don't think barr has conducted himself in a manner that earns people's trust. to say color me dubious that he is going to be fair unless he proves otherwise. >> martha: schumer does not agree with what you just said. >> well, most of us don't agree with chuck schumer on many things anyway especially when it comes to this issue because he has played into the stereotypical of going down a road of saying here's what we believe and we will find the facts later. what we found is someone who is actually earned trust because he has done exactly what he said he would do. the problem the democrats have is they have put out a line out there. they based their whole at more fear on the idea that the president committed collusion and obstruction of
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justice. when they found out that didn't happen now they are going back and attacking. attacking bill barr, somebody that they had actually praised before the report came out. that's where you see real intentions. >> he got three votes in the senate to confirm him. it was very uncontentious process for the attorney general who was widely perceived as being somebody that was a straight shooter as you say and that's why i think that process was so uneventful for him but know some of them definitely feel differently. one of the things being pressed on is the answer that the attorney general gave to whether or not he shared any of the report with the white house, which he said he chose not to answer. he have another opportunity tomorrow to clarify that when he testifies on the senate side. do you want to hear an answer to that? >> well, i think he sort of gave that indication already that he is doing this independently. that's what we have seen so far in him. he didn't ask the question directly. he gave indication before that he was doing this, putting it together, and not being influenced by anyone outside. i think that's important for
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people to know. and also important to know that mueller is working with the attorney general on the report that's coming out. this is not simply bill barr sitting in a room by himself and making it up. this is something between him and rod rosenstein. he is working with this along put mueller team as well. >> martha: i think that's a very important element for people to remember is that this is not, as you say, the attorney general is not doing this on his own. it's a process that they are all going through together as they get ready to release. this although there was a headline today that said that robert mueller declined to look at barr's letter before it went out. how do you take that? what do you take away from that? >> i take it that robert mueller had trust in the attorney general to present the facts as he had presented it to them. remember, bill barr, the attorney general is getting the rap that he made up this statement of his interpretation or what he thought the report say. remember, he got the report from robert mueller who had actually had these conclusions in them. he simply put those in as he stated today. that was the statements of
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findings from the report itself. we can't divorce. this again, the democrats have a narrative that has went bankrupt. all they can do is try to split hairs on why we think bill barr may be hiding something or bill barr might be doing something. he actually just got this from bob mueller. if the chairman is truly serious about this and he wants this information. there is two ways to go around it they can quit dancing around impeachment. if that's what they want want to do is impeach this president, call robert mueller to testify before us. >> martha: you want a very quick question. i'm almost out of time. you have been radio leasing testimony. you released mr. james baker's testimony. i know andrew mccabe has asked for his testimony to be released because he believes it will show that he didn't need -- that he did have other information besides the dossier. are you going to release andrew mccabe's testimony as well? >> well, let mr. mccabe understand is he definitely in line. also understand mccabe was interviewed very early in the process, we will continue to look at that mr. mccabe has a lot of answering and i know he
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>> we know in america that bigoted and biased attacks are on the rise in a serious way. >> martha: that's 2020 candidate cory booker the senator from new jersey in the wake of the jussie smollett case claiming that hate crimes are on the rise in america. but an associate professor at kentucky state university will reilly has studied this extensively for a book that he has written. he says portraying america as a hate-filled country is wildly inaccurate. here to explain nolan findlay editorial page editor of the droit news who wrote about this in his report today. nolan, good to have you with us today. what's the discrepancy here. we hear this term often that hate crime is up 17% year over year. >> well, yes. and the left is selling this
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idea that over the past two years america has become a very violently divided place because of donald trump and his rhetoric. and while i agree agree the president is often unnecessarily provocative and unpresidential, i don't buy into this myth that there are red hatted thugs roaming the country attacking minorities and immigrants and people like jussie smollett. in fact, you are much more likely to be attacked for wearing a maga hat than you are to be attacked by someone who is wearing one. >> martha: do the numbers back that up? >> well, as you noted, will reilly who wrote the book hate crime hoax, i mean, his research indicates that much of that 17% surge in hate crimes over the past two years is a product of 1,000 more police departments reporting hate crimes to the fbi. so you have more departments reporting in, not
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necessarily more hate crimes. >> martha: you know, the push back is that they are underreported and the department of justice, according to their numbers in 2017 said that in -- from 2011 to 2015, 54% of hate crimes were not reported to police, and william barr you, the new attorney general expressed concern about hate crimes in america today abou in his testimony. watch. this i'm very concerned about hate crimes. and one of the priorities we have is to make sure those numbers are not understating the level of hate crime. >> martha: how do we figure that out? >> hate crime comes in lot of forms and target a lot of different people. it's not simply coming from the right or from white nationalists or whatever group you want to identify. i mean, there has been a huge surge in hate crimes, for example, against orthodox jews in places like new york city committed by nonwhite nationalists. not necessarily white
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nationalists. i mean, again, i think that the left is overselling this in an effort to keep america agitated, to keep us distrusting one another on the edge. i don't think it's helpful for our national dialogue and our attempts to at least work together in this country. >> martha: it's always helpful to have real numbers and data when you deal with these things and kind of cut through the emotion a little bit so we know what we are dealing with. nolan, thank you very much. nolan findlay of the detroit news. good to see you tonight, sir. >> thank you. >> martha: exclusive with the wealthy businessman who invited alexandria ocasio-cortez to a dinner to talk about capitalism. up next. >> can you be a democratic socialist and a capitalist? >> well, i think it depends on your interpretation. >> do you say to yourself i'm a capitalist but? >> i don' i don't say that. other species avoid pain
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♪ >> martha: my next recently invited congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez to a dinner so the democratic socialist could hear first hand accounts of free market successes. writing, quote: don't just see me as some wealthy guy defending the free market. instead, see me as the some of a mother who dropped out of school in eighth grade or the $800 that i had when i started my career. sadly, aoc was a no-show for the dinner. here now is foster freese, former ceo of the freese investment firm and former candidate of the governor of wyoming. very successful businessman. foster, good to have you here tonight. >> i'm very glad to be here, martha. i'm sure aoc will eventually come to dinner. she did get the invitation and it would have been an amazing night tore her to see a different perspective that she probably hasn't had in her life experience so far. so, the people at the
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meeting were dynamic, upbeat, positive, delightful and if their husbands are psychopath they would have left them years ago. >> martha: can you explain what you did to reach her and do you think at her office were they aware of how were when you called? >> they did acknowledge they received the invitation. i believe it's important for us to kind of family size the key point of why i did it so much angst over income inequality. with the american dream you have to have income inequality. if you u. go from $800 from how i have been blessed i did a lot of damage to income equality. i have been able to do a lot of good things. you look at some of the people there, craig barrett, for example, started very, very low, became the chief executive officer of intel and now he is very behind these basis schools which teach science technology and math.
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they are the top five schools in america are basis schools. the way we address income he a quality is by helping those people on the lower rung get up and get them training and make them more successful. that's the ticket not tearing down the wealthy. >> martha: interesting. i want to play a sound bite from alexandria ocasio-cortez talking about climate change. let's play that. >> the one thing that we cannot rebuke and the one thing that we cannot deny is that climate change is a problem of market failure and extra naltiess. 40 years market have not changed our position. >> martha: how do you feel about that. >> i say she is quite young and her fans. look at richard nixon he introduced the clean water act and clean air act. and if you look at what has happened to the quality of other air and water since then it keeps improving except in flynt michigan. if you look at the green
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fund. we put $1 billion in it. russia, china and india the bigger polluters put in zero. pakistani say the problem is going to go on another 30 years and we'll think about doing something about it. if you look at the kind of air quality we have with maybe a few exceptions here and there, it's beat by a greenland and iceland but it beats all the european countries that were criticizing us. so, climate change has been around for a while. i like matt bevin, a reporter asked where do you stand on climate change matt the governor of kentucky do you like science? sure. then you know the globe was covered by ice, quite a bit. almost a lot of the it. where did the ice go? so i think we have had seven ice ages and now we just have to educate the people about the reality of what true science is. >> martha: obviously a lot of debate over climate change. i want to play this from pete bu buttigieg who is the mayor of south bend also running on the democratic side or is about to announce
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we understand he is in exploratory phase. here is what he said about capitalism. >> look, america is a capitalist society. it's got to be democratic capitalism. and that part is really important and it's slipping away from us. in other words, when capitalism comes in detention with democracy, which is more important to you? i believe democracy is more important. >> martha: what do you think he means by that foster? >> what a joke. he should have been at that dinner, also and saw over 100 students that were asian, black, every stripe, i mean, these young kids that got the scholarship because they went to great heights and succeeded in high school. from unbelievable background, deprived background, homeless, many of them. and i think if he would have been there, he would have seen how the diversity of those folks and how they have achieved where they are today and where they are headed is phenomenal. so the whole idea that democracy somehow is slipping away from us is kind of something maybe it's a political thing to get people stirred up.
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but it ain't hang. >> martha: foster friess thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me, martha. god bless you. >> martha: you belt. you too. a story exclusive the second lady karen pence and her daughter charlotte coming up next. ♪ ♪ feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. and i don't add trup the years.s. but what i do count on... is boost® delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein,
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♪ >> martha: talk about this today. pete buttigieg a 2020 hopeful who also happens to be gay and married stirring up controversy this week by going after vice president mike pence's religious beliefs. >> that's the thing i wish the mike pences of the world would understand that if you have got a problem with who i am, your problem is not with me. your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. >> it's time for us to move on with a more inclusive and more humane vision of faith than what this vice president represents. >> martha: here now second lady karen pence and her daughter charlotte, they are the author and illustrator of this beautiful new children's book marlon bundo's day in the national capital. well done. we will ask them about that. thank you both for being here. i know one of the people on the vice president's staff, alyssa fara reacted to this and she put up exactly what
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the vice president had said in the past when pete buttigieg first made his announcement that he was coming out. he said i hold mayor buttigieg in the highest regard i see him as a dedicated public servant and a patriot. why do you think given that he is coming after your husband? >> it is. it's interesting because this is one of the reasons that we wrote the book because i think that this young generation may not know the liberties and freedoms that are protected in the united states and one of them is religious liberty. the freedom of religion. so, i think anyone in the country can believe, you know, really anything that they want to believe. you can have whatever faith that you want to follow. >> right. i actually wrote in the book before this was, you know, religious liberty was a hot topic at all. which is kind of funny. we turned this in a long time ago. you know, i think it is important for kids to learn at a young age that religious liberty means you can believed in god or you
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cannot believe in god and you don't have to be afraid to hold that belief. >> martha: i want to put up what his response was to that when she tweeted that today. the mayor of south bend said people will often be polite to new person while harming you and your family. you will be polite to them in return but you need not stand for such harms. instead, you push back honestly and emphatically. and so it goes in the public square. charlotte, i'm curious, what is your reaction when you hear people say things like that about your dad? >> yeah, you know, the thing is and we talk about this actually in this bunny book, funny enough, that, you know, you can have differing opinions from people and that's actually a good thing. and you, you know, our parents taught us from a young age when people are speaking out against elected officials when they disagree with them, that actually is a good thing. that means that the system is working. s that is how america is supposed to look. that's what my dad always said that's what freedom looks like when he sees protesters that's an essential part of our
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democracy as well which can you learn about all again in this book. >> martha: yeah. are you concerned as you watch this process go forward that your husband becomes sort of a punching bag for some people who are going to want to make that point over and over again who don't see it the way -- they see it as an attack on them rather than your husband and you as a family, you know, standing up for what your faith dictates? >> that's what we have to explain to our kids. this new generation coming up, they have to understand that we do have certain rights in this country. it's perfectly okay for us to believe what we believe. people shouldn't take that as us attacking what they believe. and i think some in the public square do that these days. and i think that's why the book starts actually with the pledge of allegiance and so it talks about indivisible with liberty and justice for all. that's justifiable for all. that means that mike pence can believe what he believes and mayor pete can believe what he believes. >> absolutely.
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>> martha: they should be able to disagree. i'm curious one more thought on this. when you heard that joe biden, the former vice president said, you know, mike pence is a gee sent guy. i know mike pence is he a decent guy and he got all this push back from the lbgtq community he came out and said i was just talking about his stance on foreign policy. i'm sure you know the former vice president. how do you feel about that that he won't stick up for his friendship with your husband? >> yeah. i don't know why he said that but i think, you know, things get so carried away these days and the rhetoric gets so extreme that i think we're trying to teach our kids, you know, this isn't the way that you have to do it. you can have a friend at school that you disagree with. you don't have to say mean things about them. you don't have to say nasty things about them. >> yeah, in the book we talk about marlon goes around to all these different places in the nation's capital like the kennedy center and goes to the library of congress and in both of those places he says the arts are a place
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where you can see people's different viewpoints and read about people's different viewpoints and be friends with people who have different opinions from you, which i think we need more of. >> martha: charlotte, what's it like for you as a young person because we do live in a society where and a moment where it feels as if it effects friendships, you know. this divisive feeling about republicans can't be friends with democrats and they can't look at each other and say i respect how you feel about that but, you know, i don't agree. >> yeah. i think that it does feel that way sometimes. i think that even, you know, whether or not you are in public life or your pro-life life, do i think it's important to have friends that disagree with you about things. because once you get to know each other on a personal one-on-one level, you know, you can see the humanity in one another. >> martha: marlon bundo how did you come up. i had a bunny like this his name was snippy.
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your name is far more creative. >> marlon was a college pet of mine. i got him for a student film project. >> martha: had you him in college in a little cage. >> i had him in my dorm for a couple weeks. yeah, he was an actor so we named him marlon bundo. >> martha: he is an actor. >> yes. he was in a film and now obviously he is a star. >> martha: he is a big star. the book is a day in the nation's capital. marlon bundo written by charlotte pence and illustrated by karen pence. all really beautifully done. so many thanks to both of you. it's great to have you here in the studio tonight. >> thank you so much. >> martha: more of "the story" coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪2: proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis... woman 2: ...with humira. woman 3: humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms.
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>> ♪ >> ♪ >> against tokyo. the task forces commanded by admiral halsey in a dash to the
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coast of japan. the bombing early in the war displayed the spirit of half armed america. there was a small forshadowing of the giant air♪. >> martha: they were stripped down to make it the distance to tokyo. the last surviving member passed away. they were a group of daring air force aviators month after pearl harbor. cole was the co-pilot to lead the raid. cole insists he and his fellow
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raiders were not heroes. he will be buried at arlington national cemetery. that's the "story" on tuesday night. the "story" continues tomorrow night at 7. >> ♪ >> ♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." a helpful hint about how your government works. if you ever see consensus forming in washington run. something awful is about to happen. it was a total consensus that our trade deals could not be better and helped everyone. america's manufacturing sector died and huge parts of the middle-class died. and then bipartisan consensus on the iraq war and weapons of mass destruction that we would find there and


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