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i am chris wallace. "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts right now. did you enjoy that? >> martha: i don't know how you bet on t-rexes but that one in the middle looked pretty good. good to see you. for nearly two years, special counsel robert mueller staying silent as his team worked to investigate russian interference in the 2016 election. he released his report, found no collusion, he emerged shortly after, only briefly to make this point that he wanted to make about obstruction of justice. >> if we had had confidence that the president really did not commit a crime, we would have said so. we did not however make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. >> martha: beyond that clarification he made one thing extremely clear. >> we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president. any testimony from this office
will not go beyond our report. i do not believe it is appropriate for me to speak further about the investigation and expect this to be the only time i will speak to you in this matter. to be when we get the idea but under great pressure to get thee investigation from dying on the vine, perhaps, jerry nadler issued a so-called friendly sub, and mueller agreed that he would appear in public wants to testify about the report and that is scheduled for wednesday. but interestingly, the attorney general this week left an opening for the former special counsel saying if he doesn't choose to appear, the doj will back him up on that choice. now democrats are battling over who will get to speak at the hearing, for how long each will get to speak, and they are reportedly watching old mueller testimony and some, according to reports, appear a bit concerned that he may not give them all that they want from this big
moment on wednesday. trey gowdy, who knows a thing or two about the high-stakes hearing says what we can expect, may be a little bit about freak show next week. he will explain that. but next up, catherine herridge has more on the scramble to make this hearing worthwhile. >> thinks, tonight there's a reason that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are upset about the mueller testimony. many committee members won't have a chance to ask questions and the frustration came to a head earlier today. >> i don't even get a chance to question him? i've been elected just like anybody else here and for the leadership in this committee to decide that only certain members and there is only time for certain members to question, even on your side of the aisle. to speak of the two democrat-controlled house committees, jerry nadler and intelligence led by adam schiff have allotted two hours for a morning and afternoon session, a total of four hours.
every lawmaker gets a 5 minutes to question mueller and when you do the math, that means about two dozen lawmakers will be left out and that the time will run out. that violates a long-standing practice known as house rule 11, claus 2 j, which says that everyone gets a chance unless they pass or blink which their time. the chairman would not explain how they will cut off the testimony just two hours. >> i have been very lenient in allowing people to discuss the procedures at the mueller hearing at length, which is beyond the scope of this markup and i'm not going to comment on it. >> this is my last opportunity at reclaiming my time and i lost 30 seconds of it. speak of the gentlemen will be granted his 30 seconds. >> it is my understanding that this is the only markup we will have before mueller that also in the bottom row will bring this issue up in a public setting and
talk about it so i absolutely have the right to bring it up right now to talk about the fact that myself and my colleagues on the other side of the aisle who aren't in the famous 11 that are going to get the opportunity to talk don't have an opportunity to ask questions to bob mueller, one of the biggest witnesses coming to this committee. >> martha: republicans could use a number of tactics to delay or run out the clock on mueller's testimony, especially during that morning session with the star witness and that would derail the star witness. >> martha: thank you very much. fox news contributor trey gowdy. good evening to you. why is there a limit on the amount of time? is something they requested in order for the agreement here to testify? >> lots of witnesses do that, lots of witnesses say i will come for two hours you can ask me whatever you want, but then . that is not unusual.
remember when barr was coming, nadler wasn't in going to let any member's question him. he was going to have a staff or no one ever heard of. so i don't know why they are upset. at least some of them are getting to ask mueller something with the barr. he wasn't going to let any of them talk. >> martha: it when you oversaw the benghazi hearing, it went on much longer. how were you able to negotiate for that longer time period? >> that was a little different, she was running for president, obviously she wanted to answer all of the questions. we enlarged the 5 minutes to 10 minutes because you can't do anything in 5 minutes, and at the end, the media still said we didn't learn anything new. you're not going to learn anything new next wednesday anyway. one of the house members you just played a clip from, i can't help, that it's one of the most ludicrous are arguments have er heard. 35 members of the house, 95% of them are not on intel or
judiciary. they're not going to be able to ask any questions of mueller. the fact that you are elected to the house does not mean you can question bob miller mueller. it doesn't mean you are on the judicial or the intel committee. there are a handful of good questioners on both sides but only a handful. our republicans are going to be really strong, having poor questioners and not be able to take their 5 minutes from mueller. trust me. >> martha: and they will spend 5 minutes formulating a question before they are allowed to answer it anyway, so i imagine there will be a fair amount of fat. when you look at bob mueller himself, and this interesting comment that was made by attorney by attorney general barr about if he decides not to go we would support that. do you think is a chance that robert mueller is considering taking a pass on this whole thing? >> he doesn't want to come at all. remember, he hasn't said much in the last few years. one thing he said pretty clearly is that i hope this is my only public statement. they are bringing him, they want
to keep the story alive. he is not going to participate now. he is not going to answer anything else outside the four corners of his report. this is just to have a day long -- and the focus will be on the questions. mueller is not going to give you any interesting answers. i have quizzed him before. >> martha: republicans i imagine are going to want to know why he didn't look into the origins of the investigation, all of those kinds of questions. when did he know, at what point did conclude that there wasn't any collusion and why didn't he come forward with that information? is not what we are likely to hear from republicans? >> sure, and this will be his answer. why did not look into anything else? because i wasn't asked to. when did i conclude there was no collusion? when i interviewed the last witness. and that's it. mueller is a marine, former fbi director. he is going to answer the
question, may be, and nothing more. you will learn nothing next wednesday except a lot of my former colleagues think they are great questioners and they should have their 5 minutes. >> martha: we will talk about this more as we get closer to it, i do want to see this south carolina poll that shows that joe biden at this point is in very good shape in south carolina. 35% among democratic voters there, she would very much like to have a strong showing there among african-american voters, 41%. talk to me about the strong affection for joe biden in south carolina at this point. >> i think democrats in south carolina are familiar with him. he has worked with lindsey graham in the past so he is a known commodity. i think as my fellow south carolinians vote in the
democratic primary get to know senator harris and senator warren and others, his numbers will come down. look, people like him. i'm not going to vote for him but people like him. likability still matters in politics. you put your finger on it, you have to do well with communities of color in the democratic primary in south carolina but he was the vice president to that part of the country, barack obama and you better believe he will remind people of that. he was very loyal to president obama when lots of other democrats were flirting with the clintons. i think black voters in south carolina will remember that. >> martha: thank you, good to see you tonight. we will talk to you as we get closer to this big thing on wednesday. good night, thank you for being here. coming up next, for all you folks still at home this evening watching, coming up next, alexandria ocasio-cortez getting slammed on both sides of the aisle for pulling the race card
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diversity is our strength. unity is our power and we have a big fight and we are in the arena and that is all i'm going to say on the subject. if you are going to issue a question, you may issue a question. >> martha: this has been quite an interesting and very spicy back-and-forth. she responds from criticism by members of her own party who are now suggesting that their feud with the speaker is connected to the color of their skin. alexandria ocasio-cortez telling "the washington post," i kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive plank at more of an arms distance in order to protect more moderate members, which i understood. but the persistent singling out, i got to the point where i thought it was just outright disrespectful. the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color. said aoc, as she is known. here now, liz cheney.
good to see you chairwoman. thank you for being here. what is your reaction to what is going on? >> thank you for having me. i think what you are watching is really the unraveling of the democratic party as we have known it in the past. you have a situation you've got this very radical wing of the house democrats and the speaker has attempted many times to kind of sort of keep everybody in control by in the past moving very far left. easy now that that is not working for her. but what you do have is situation with the democratic party here in the house as well as the candidates that they put up for president has become the party of socialist. they are advocating a far left set of positions and i think on some levels, speaker pelosi knows that those are not positions the vast majority of americans agree with. they know the vast majority of american people do not want to give free government provided health care to all illegal immigrants, but we know that
that is not with the democrats in the house, many of them want to do. we know it is what the democratic candidates want to do so she is in a very difficult situation. but she is dealing with a situation in which the whole party is being drugged very far to the left french >> martha: is interesting this conversation alexandria ocasio-cortez stated today that she does not believe nancy pelosi is racist, yet there is this cold word to the identity politics of this by bringing that up. it's a very loaded weapon to bring that up in many ways. and here is representative who backs alexandria ocasio-cortez. she says we women of color have faced this for such a long time. we are in a body of me in the old white men, you don't get to be here without having dealt with that, most people. what do you make of that? >> i think we all have an
obligation and a responsibility to our constituents, the people who send us here, the american people to make arguments, to make our case, to stand for what we believe and based on the substance and policy, we all have the responsibility to stand up for facts and falling back into identity politics too often is an excuse for not standing up for fax. i can tell you this is the republican congress chair, a large part of our messaging is that we are going to be having these debates based on substance. we know the american people doing not want this to be a socialist nation. the problem of the democratic side is a lot of them do want this to be a socialist nation. they don't understand that when you give government the amount of power they want to give the federal government, you are taking people's freedom away. we love won't let that happen on our side of the aisle.
>> martha: i thought it was very significant that alexandria ocasio-cortez went after her. she obviously believes that she has policies they find very disturbing in terms of the way the families are being treated on the border. they have pushed back strongly on that notion in terms of how they are doing their jobs down there, but she then said that she thought the creation of dh i'm in the early 2000s, which she doesn't mention 9/11, but she said it was an egregious mistake on the part of the bush administration. what is your response to that? >> it is fundamentally a responsible, uninformed, homeland security is comprised of 22 agencies, hugely important intelligence security responsibilities, the coast guard, the secret service, fema, all of those are part of the department of homeland security and part of the hugely important mission that department has in the hundreds of thousands of professionals that a staff that department.
i did note that when congresswoman ocasio-cortez talked about it she failed to mention 9/11. that is pretty much we see consistently, frankly, on their side of the aisle. a lack of willingness to recognize what the nation went through, the worst attack in our history. and the fact that we put the department of homeland security together to help ensure the security of the homeland. it was one thing when that thee out there saying abolish i.c.e., which is absurd enough, but now for congresswoman ocasio-cortez, who frankly seems to be emerging as one of the intellectual leaders of their party in the house, and i think that tells you it is a pretty low bar -- but she has been in a situation where she is saying we should abolish at dhs. that is absurd, and dangerous and highly irresponsible. >> martha: thank you very much. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up ahead. >> i don't want to say i was screaming or anything of that
nature. but i was terrified and i was saying stop, please stop. >> martha: incredible interview. we are about to talk to that woman, her attorney who is accusing jeffrey epstein of rate. and the republican candidate or for governor who says not allowing a female reporter to ride along with him on his campaign day is his prerogative. >> this is my drug. in my truck, we go by my rules. and that is my rule. >> martha: he is up next. limu ♪ what do all these people have in common, limu? [ paper rustling ] exactly, nothing. they're completely different people, that's why they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual. they'll only pay for what they need! [ gargling ] [ coins hitting the desk ] yes, and they could save a ton.
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someone alive. why does it feel improper for a man to be with a woman? >> martha: local reporter calling out a gubernatorial candidate robert foster as sexist because he would not allow her to cover an all-day campaign event in and out of the car, making stops at different places unless she brought along a male to accompany her. foster says that he follows the billy graham rule and wouldn't want somebody to be wrongly perceived or compromised his marriage. here he is standing by his decision. >> i trust myself completely but i don't trust the perception that the world when they see things and they don't have to questions, they don't look to find out the truth. the perception of reality in this world and i don't want to give anybody the opinion that i am doing something i should not be doing. >> martha: the state representative stands about 8%
latest polls according to the mississippi governor 's race primary. robert foster joins me now in a "the story" exclusive. thank you for being with us tonight. i guess my first question for you would be how does having a reporter with you for the day traveling in and out of a car, how does that evoke suspicion? >> those that have stated before -- and first, thank you for having me on tonight. i appreciate this. we are running a grassroots campaign. there have been many polls, a lot of strong polls and online polls that show a different scenario than the one that you stated earlier. but we do have a very small budget in our campaign compared to some of our other opponents, funded by millions and millions of dollars of special-interest bonding and i don't have the largest campaign staff. in a lot of cases it's myself traveling to some events alone in my campaign director goes
when he can. there's a lot of opportunities and times when he has to go and be at other -- >> martha: i understand that. i understand that you thought you might be with this report and it might just be the two of you. what i don't understand is why that would evoke suspicion. why would that evoke suspicion? >> well, when you have a married man with another woman and they are alone, some people may perceive that that there may be something taking place. i don't want to give anybody the opportunity to think that there is anything going on there shouldn't be going on. >> martha: but she is a reporter. this is a professional situation. her other colleagues had gone along on the exact same assignment with the other people that you are running against. i respect that you want to protect your reputation and your marriage, but having watched the interview that you both did, i find it very difficult to understand why that situation would evoke suspicion in anyone.
i think people are quite used to seeing professionals on the campaign trail, members of the press, people who are campaigning. and if you felt that way -- in terms of perception, you talk about how powerful perception is, that is one of your concerns, right? >> sure. worst of all, i think it needs to be noted that this was not her just following me from campaign stop to campaign stop, she was requesting to right in my vehicle with me in my truck for 16 hours and that is a very unique request. i've done many interviews -- >> martha: there have been a lot of ride along interviews, i've done them myself. that is not an unusual format, the right along for the day campaign format. i guess one of my questions is, the perception that you are concerned about, does it not concern you that the perception of some people would be that you are discriminating against half of the professional population?
>> it doesn't, because their feelings and their concerns about being discriminated against do not trump the valves that i made to my wife, am i believe that i should not be alone with another woman that i'm not married to. i put that first and foremost above anyone else's feelings or perceptions. >> martha: you said to her that she had to bring someone along as sort of a chaperone or something to ride along into cover the campaign for the day. and she was questioning why, if you are the one who feels that way, why wouldn't you bring someone along? your wife, your friend, i know you said you have a very small campaign. but that was an option that you could've employed. >> we never got to that point. she rode the story, she got offended by me even asking that there be a third wheel in the vehicle with us and first of all, she is the one that asked me for the interview. i didn't ask her for the interview, so why should i have to pay out of my pocket or go out of my way to make
accommodations for her for a third person to be there? i would have worked that out and still can in the future, but at the moment, it was a situation where we didn't have anybody for that period of time on hand for a 15, 16 hour day with us and it could be worked out in the future, absolutely. >> martha: i understand -- i think that a lot of people respect the idea that you don't want to be in a situation that might appear a certain way and certainly on the campaign trail, there is a lot of interaction and i think being respectful of your marriage is all your choice. it's absolutely your choice in this campaign. but i think it raises questions, people say, why would it not be understood as just a all day, te are people who might say, what is he doing with that guy? why doesn't that concern you? >> well, i'm a married man and i
made up out of my wife that i would not be alone with another female and she made the vow that she would not be alone with another male and that is my personal decision to live that way. i've lived that way my professional and personal life. >> martha: the state treasurer running for attorney general, she is a woman. if you are elected governor would you not ride in a car or travel with the attorney genera attorney general? >> we would have a staff member or two with us, i'm sure. >> martha: you wouldn't feel comfortable riding with the attorney general if she is elected? he wouldn't feel comfortable with that? >> i wouldn't do that. it doesn't matter who the other woman is, if we are going to ride in a car somewhere together there would be a staff member or a driver. the governor has a driver so that solves that issue. >> martha: all right. okay, interesting situation. we will be watching how it evolves. what is the feedback been generally customer positive or negative in this situation? >> i think overwhelmingly the people in mississippi stand with
me on this. it is not a new practice. people of been practicing this for a very long time. vice president mike mike pence practices this scenario. a lot of men and women have an open door policy meetings and do not write alone with a member of the opposite sex. i think it is something that people should be looking at in their own professional lives if they ought to be doing that as well. >> martha: thank you for sharing your thoughts on that tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: you bed. coming up next >> if i wasn't afraid to come forward sooner than maybe he wouldn't have done it to other girls. i feel really guilty to this da day. >> martha: coming up, "the story" story, the attorney for jennifer, who said she was raped by jeffrey epstein when she was just 15 years old.
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♪ >> martha: tonight, jeffrey epstein's lawyers are seeking a $77 million bailout package for their client, the accused child sex trafficker as new accusers detailed very disturbing allegations against him. jennifer araoz alleges that she was just 14 when she was first approached and met him and then when she was 15, she claims that she was raped by jeffrey epstein, which is very contrary to what he has said about this whole thing in the past. in moments, we will be exclusively joined by her attorney but we begin with jonathan hunt with the back story on this tonight. >> good evening, martha. jennifer araoz says she was 14 years old when a woman approached her outside her performing arts high school and told her about jeffrey epstein. in describing him as a caring
man who could help her achieve her dreams. >> just a great guy. just saying, he helped me. i've struggled. she was similar to me. >> did she say he could help you with your career? >> that was a big part of it. >> jennifer araoz says she visited epstein and gave him massages and then when she was 15 years old, epstein raped her. >> then he, you know, very forcefully kind of brought me to the table, and i just did what he told me to do. i was really scared. i was terrified and telling him to stop. >> did epstein rape you? >> yeah he rape-eating me. he forcefully raped me. he knew what he was doing and i
don't think cared. >> didn't come forward because of feelings of shame and guilt. >> i just thought, it's my faul fault. i'm obligated, like that is just what you are supposed to do. so i really didn't know about it. >> when did you stop blaming yourself? >> it was a long time, really. >> araoz says he she never retd to epstein estate and even left her high school because it was so close by. martha? >> martha: thank you very much much. here now in a "the story" exclusive, were you proud of your client? that was tough for her to do. >> this -- to summon the courage to put yourself in front of cameras and tell a story like that, it is an unbelievable
thing. and she is emotionally exhausted from it but she is mostly really proud of herself and really, really thankful that she had the courage to do it because she now sees herself as a role model for others. not just other epstein victims, but victims of sex abuse, generally. it's been freeing for her in that respect. >> martha: this felt so courageous of her at that point to do what she did. never coming back and removing herself from the situation completely after he raped her. she dropped out of a performing arts school that she loved, but it was too close to his house so she remove yourself from the situation. this is the part i find almost as appalling in all of this. these women who recruited these young girls. watch this. >> she was definitely trying to get to know me, try to find out where i was from, where i grew up. >> when you see her now, you call her the recruiter. you felt like she was looking
for someone for him. >> for sure. 100%, yeah. >> martha: we have pictures of these alleged recruiters we can put up on the screen. daniel, do you know? does she know if one of these women is one of the women who approach her on the street in front of her school? because she hasn't been able to identify her by name yet. she was 14, this was a long time ago. she knows generally that the recruiter was brunette, that is her memory. remember, to follow up with what you just said, epstein is an evil guy, we can all agree on that. but there were a network of adults around mr. epstein that enabled this from the very powerful, who were able to, because of their political connections and money in, able to protect him. but the not so powerful. the secretaries, the recruiters, the people in his life who knew full well what was going on and they facilitated this abuse.
while it is clear that mr. epstein needs to be held responsible, this culpability for all of those around him as well. >> martha: how is that going to play out? >> will see. part of the litigation is going to attempt to identify some of these individuals by name and we have had to hold them accountable as best we can. there is obviously the southern district of new york criminal prosecution, i'm sure they are looking to identifying these individuals as well. but that's what we have to look at as a community. guys like this are able to do what they do because there is a community around them that is facilitating this kind of abuse. that's the story that still needs to be told, and i hope that jennifer's case, the criminal cases are going to be telling that story because they need to be held accountable as well. >> martha: other women who put
$300 in envelopes and left it on the table for 14 and 15-year-old children. as someone pointed out, a great point, there is no such thing as a child. no child chooses to be a prostitute. >> he doesn't get absolved from his crimes because he leaves an envelope of cash for them when they leave. 14 years old, freshman in high school? these are babies. to say this is >> martha: thank you for being here. in a booming economy, why are cities like new york and san francisco seeing a surge in homelessness? what is going on in the cities in the midst of a booming economy? secretary ben carson is on a
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ben carson who has today been touring local programs across the country as the trump administration and to end homelessness in america. great to have you with us, secretary carson. tell us what you have seen peer to tell us what you've seen on the streets today. >> i actually saw some very positive things on the street today. i was in salt lake city at welfare square, which is something that is sponsored by the mormon church and they provide all kinds of wraparound services to help people to be able to accelerate and to be successful. clothing, food, job opportunities, all those kinds of things. the kinds of things that we really should be concentrating on. as we get to this issue of homelessness, where we are seeing the most homelessness are in places that have the most regulation. you know, as a physician, i like
to go directly to the source of the problem and not just treat the symptoms. a lot of the people that we complain about are the symptoms, but what is the root cause? the places where we see the most homelessness have the largest numbers of regulatory barriers, zoning restrictions and things like that. the good thing is that a lot of places are willing to recognize that and start working towards solutions. you know, seattle for instance, a block program where they put in tiny houses. the mayor has recently relax to the restrictions on accessory dwelling. but these are small steps but they are beginning at least to recognize what the problem is. >> martha: what is the reason, a lot of people say the economy is doing so well, unemployment is so low, and the overall homeless numbers in the numbers don't my country the last several years are fairly static. but
these cities are seeing a tremendous increase in the number of people sleeping on the streets. so why is that? >> yes. well, recognize that the zoning restrictions -- for instance in los angeles, 80% of the land is zoned for single-family housing, then you throw on top of that the other regulatory barriers, the latest of which is they have to have solar panels. he take something that was affordable and you quickly translate it into something that isn't. when you talk about single-family new constructs, we are talking about a 20%, 25% increase. multifamily, up to 42% and the more expensive areas. those are things that elevate things completely out of the range of a lot of people. it's not that we don't have innovation going on in this country, we do. a few weeks ago on the national mall, we had many people come in and demonstrate what they are capable of doing
in terms of manufactured housing, modular housing. >> martha: providing affordable housing is a step in the right direction. before i let you go what is your understanding of what causes homelessness? what is it that is putting most of these individuals on the street? is a mental health? is it drug addiction? is it inability to pay their bills? what is driving it? >> well, bear in mind that there are a lot of places for people to go who are homeless. we have a tremendous amount of sympathy for them and shelters are available for most people. but a lot of people are suspicious, who don't trust anybody, who have mental health issues, and in some cases, you are not willing to move from an area that would not be friendly to them in terms of employment. to a place that would be.
but, here's the key thing. this is a solvable problem. there are cities that are bigger than any city we have like tokyo where there is no homelessness. we have to start using much more intelligent strategies and that is exactly what we are trying to do. >> martha: we will be watching what comes out of there and thank you secretary. good to see you tonight. thank you for being here. >> okay, you, too. >> martha: moments ago, a hurricane warning was issued for parts of the louisiana coach. the very latest moods of this storm coming up next. witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ we carry flowers that signifyn why we want to end the disease.
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tonight. >> do such an interesting storm for us. each tropical system has her own thing that we watch. hurricane warnings in place, that is interesting and important. at the bigger context for what is going on, that is the mississippi river watershed. any drop of water that falls anywhere in that area, if it gets absorbed into the ground essentially exits the mississippi river right by louisiana. because of that, we have seen record-breaking rain all across the area. we've been talking about flooding for months and months and all that water is still in the mississippi river. the mississippi river laudable s about a 16 feet in new orleans and the levees are only 20 feet. there's only about 4 feet of space and we are talking about a lot of water that is going to fall in rain. we are not talking about a big wind event, we are talking about a major flooding event from all the rain we are going to get. >> martha: wow.
that is a nerve-racking situation for the folks that are watching those levees. thank you very much. that is a "the story" on this thursday night. thank you for being with us. we will see you tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson is coming up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." all right, take a seat, pour a cocktail. we are about to blow your mind. for more than 30 years, nancy pelosi as you well know has represented the single most liberal congressional district in america. she has always been perfectly suited for the drop your name the issue no matter what it is, abortion, climate change, permanent action, climate change, nancy pelosi has the pad position on that issue. she is a walking liberal stereotype. or so we thought. in fact, it was all a sham identity designed to cloak a darker blue