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ed song included beatles yellow submarine as well as a scene from the little mermaid and that's how fox reports on this sunday, july 14, i'm jon scott. thanks for joining us see you again, next weekend. >> i'm chris wallace. the risk of life threatening floods as tropical storm barry moves inland and immigration rights start in cities across the country. president trump: it starts on sunday and they are going to take people out and bring them back to their countries. >> and the president insists he did not cave on using the census to find out whether people in this country are citizens. president trump: not only didn't i back down, i backed up. >> we'll discuss all this and more the white houses. counselod kellyanne conway whose just back from the southern border. president trump: there's nothing he can say. he's written a report. the report says no collusion and it said effectively, no
obstruction. >> robert mueller's testimony on capitol hill delayed as democrats subpoena new witnesses in the russia investigation. we'll discuss how democrats show down with the president with assistant speaker, and it's a fox news sunday exclusive. >> plus the very public feud usbetween speaker pelosi and the left wing of her party. we'll ask our sunday panel about the democratic divide. all right now, on fox news sunday. >> and hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with breaking news. the threat of disastrous flooding across the gulf coast as now tropical storm barry brings high winds and drenching rain to mississippi and louisiana. after briefly becoming a category i hurricane the first of the season the system made landfall saturday about three hours west of new orleans.
casey stiegal is there. >> barry continues to weaken but officials warn the threat is far from over. we still f have a significant amount of rain coming our way. >> while no major injuries or deaths have been reported a handful of highh water rescues were carried out across the region on saturday. >> about 20 aircraft and crew. we are standing by to bring more in particularly as the storm movesir north. >> thehe alarm bell sounded whn several private levies began overtopping and emergency repair s were quickly made preventing a breach according to engineers; however, the federally-maintained levies along the swollen mississippi river held up just fine. in the wake of hurricane katrina the federal government spent billions on a new hurricane protection system made up of flood gates, giant pumps, taller stlevies and storm surge barrie.
barry certainly tested it and government leaders say it passed , but while the big easy was largely spared now forecast ers say the threat is shifting north to places like baton rouge, where american red cross volunteers have setup shop >> and president trump called the governor of louisiana last night saying that he once again sends his well wishes to those impacted and also again pledging the federal governmentt support when it comes to recovery here. chris? >> casey reporting from new orleans, thanks and stay safe. there is another breaking news. i.c.e. is launching raids today in cities across the country targeting migrant families that have received deportation order. the nationwide sweep is ramping up criticism from democrats, over president trump's approach to immigration. in a moment we'll speak with kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, but first kevin corke is live at the white house with the latest.
kevin? reporter: chris these individuals have been ordered a court to leave this country but they simply refuse to do so and so now federal law enforcement officials confirm to fox news they've begun to remove a process beginning with raids in new york and elsewhere. >> from coast to coast, protests across america greeted the trump adminitration's decision to conduct raids to remove thousands from the country. protests that included the raising of a mexican flag over an i.c.e. facility. at the southern border vice president mike pence insisted despite widely broadcast pictures of the facility conditions most were well- managed despite over crowding. every family that i spoke to tell me they were being well cared for and a difference in some of the harsh rhetoric we hear from democrats on capitol hill. this as president trump retreat ed from a effort to put a citizenship question on the 202e rose garden a new strategy to
find out whose in this country using aha broad spectrum of federal agency records. president trump: we will utilize these vast federal databases to gain a full, complete and accurate count of the non- tcitizen population. this in a week that t saw the president lose yet another cabinet member as labor secretary stepped down over his past involvement in a highly- controversial plea deal, with jeffrey epstein whose now facing sex trafficking charges. >> more i.c.e. protests are expected today around the country, chris as raids get underway and about a dozen american cities. chris? >> kevin corke reporting from the white house, kevin thank you joining us now for an exclusive interview white house counselor kellyanne conway. you, chris.nway. >> well you just heard the official news i'm sure you already knew it coming out of the white house that the raids have begun. what can you tell us and where are the raids taking place? there was a potential population of 1 million people who are in
the country illegally who have received orders to leave. how many is i.c.e. going after? i won't discuss operational details and i would pushback on your terminology of raids. i.c.e. do this every day. law enforcement in this country enforces the law. it's a definition of their duties, and this of course happened under president obama. he is referred to as deporter-in -chief, very harshly in 2012 and he pushed back on actually a spanish language station when they criticized him and he said, they said you're deporting 184,000 non-criminals and he said i have to enforce the law. just this week, you saw massive protests at joe biden's philadelphia headquarters, his campaign headquarters and those people are angry that he's complicit in the obama/biden deportation so this is a regular enforcement action and i'd agree with the dhs secretary under president obama, jeh johnson and he says these are not
extraordinary exercises, when in fact, as is the case here, chris , your appeals have been exhausted. your rights have a been adjudicated. these are final removal orders for people who are here illegally and i.c.e. is going to do what they do every day which is go ahead and enforce the law. i also have to say since i.c.e. is in the news in a different way right across there in the capitol, you have these radical democrats calling for the elimination of i.c.e., they are ridiculing them mocking them, publishing, asking people on twitter and also to publish their home addresses, their contact information, this is a disgrace. he is denying $4.6 billion in humanitarian aid, all but for democrats for a form of that package, all but 95 democrats voted for the actual $4.6 billion in aid. they have no moral authority to say all of dhs of fema, the people helping out with the secret service, with i.c.e.,
customs and border protection. i was at the border two days ago , and those are brave men and women trying to do their jobs. >> i'm going to get to that. hired against people and here in washington. >> i'm going to get to the visit to the border, in a moment i want to ask you one more question about the i.c.e. actions. i think the president may have called them raids. i'll have to check on that and he certainly made a big deal about it. what provisions are being made specifically about separating the families, especially the possibility of separating parent s in this country illegally, from children who may have been born in this country and therefore would be u.s. citizens and what is your pushback to local democratic officials who are openly advis ing people in this country illegally how to avoid getting rounded up c by it? >> sure actually that includes speaker pelosi who is telling people how to avoid i.c.e. enforcement in the law in some places she should spend a little bit more time in her hometown of san francisco where we now have
more people addicted to drugs than you have enrolled in the public schools, so it's really outrageous for people who take the oath of office and are elected to uphold the law to then tell people how to abuse and in fact evade the law. that is not their job and the up shot of that, chris, is you have people in aurora, colorado tearing downpe the american flag and putting the mexican flag in place these protesters atag in the i.c.e. facility. they don't deserve that, and the people on capitol hill who won't do their jobs, i made it so easy and have been talking about it for a long time but i made it easy for them, fix asylum laws, fixm tv pra, and the index card actually. they won't act about that. so i'm'm against separating families, let me make that clear i was the first person to go on a show on sunday and say that. i think you can enforce the law
without separating families and i know first-hand, my boss and now president has been told ahead of last year's zero- tolerance policy by people no longer in the administration that theol net effect of that would have been separating children from their parents while the parent claims you're being adjudicated the idea is to protect the child. >> yeah, but i'm not talking about that. >> but i'm talking about all of it. >> i'm talking about the possibility of parents in the country illegally being separated from their children. >> so i was briefed yesterday by officials on i.c.e. and i will tell you that in dhs, there is every measure taken to try to not separate families is as the law allows and if i were put in jail today my four children would not come with me nor would i want them to so we're often protecting the child as well for not being detained or put in these circumstances, but let me make very clear. there are ways to enforce the law without separating children,
young children, from their parents. i'm against that, but i'm against separating children from their mothers in the womb and from their mothers outside of the womb. >> okay i want to get back to what you raised which is the trip to the border with vice president pence on friday. g11 days ago, president trump seemed to play down the problems at these detention centers and i want to put up his tweet. many of these illegals are living fars better now than whee they came from, no matter how good things actually look, even if perfect, democrats will act shocked at how terrible things are. how would you describe the conditions you saw on friday at the detention center? >> well two things and i'm glad to make that trip because you can't get the same vantage point first we went to the processing facility. that is where, in mcallen, texas , chris, where families are being held and they won't be held for long under flores, be held for long.
i witnessed no overcrowding, and we had two senators there, i was there with seven republican senators, those who ran the chairman of the judiciary committee, i was part of that. >> i'm going to try to move you along. >> he invited everybody but no democrat came, which is a shame. >> what's your view of mcallen? >> here is my view of what i saw. i saw lots of supplies, diapers, food, endless supplies of water, two senators speaking spanish fluently and they won't be there for long because under our law we can't hold them and i think nobodyg really understands the tens of thousands of children andnd family units that have been released into the interior of the united states just this year, but also what i saw is what happens when gets its act together, passage of humanitarian aid so now we have more money for consumables for processing. >> the reason i want to ask. >> then i went over to --
>> i want to ask you about that because this is, it came out of the inspector general for the department of human services, of homeland security, they issued a report on july 2 with this warning and i want to put it on the screen this is dhs inspector general. management alert. dhs needs to address dangerous overcrowding and prolonged detention of children and adults in the rio grande valley. and i want to show, because the reporters were able to take pictures of the mcallen, texas center that you visit visited the vice president up on the screen. almost 400 men were in caged fences with no cots, the smell wasor horrendous, some of the mn were sleeping on concrete, they began shouting and wanted to tell us they had been in there 40 days or longer. i understand -- >> i was right there. >> i understand that president trump is t trying to stop the flood of people across-the-board er which contributes. >> and we accommodate those who are here. >> which contributes to the
overcrowding but how does it help for the president to minimize the situation and say that it's much better than what they had or for vice president pence and kevin corke to say they were all being well-treated when your own, i mean you can look at the conditions there, it's a disaster. >> let me just say a couple things that are facts. first of all not every facility is the same, and so -- >> but i'm talking about that one. >> i'm talking aunt the one who the mediacom pleatly ignored in all of their coverage and also completely ignoring the things we receive from the brave custom s and border patrol. >> what do you say about mcallen, texas. >> i would say that facility is meant to be a 72-hour holding facility, it's not equipped to keep a single male who has broken the law m by coming here apprehended. if you just want to let them go say we just have open borders and let's all be as honest as some of those democrats raising their hands. >> but does it help when the president says well conditions are really pretty good and for mike pence to say they're pretty good.
>> in facilities they have improved including the one we saw with the families. >>li they should be judged on e worst facilities. and mistreatment of these people >> oh, yes, let me explain to you. i want people treated humanely that's why when i received a briefing of the senators and vice president, they didn't publish any of this as far as i can see, those get three hot meals from local restaurants, they now have access to showers, there were no shower facilities there to accommodate that many people in the past but there's a bank of showers in the back, they have access to deode o rant and toothbrushes, and so no, we that's whyushes, and so no, we we also don't want people to come here in legally and i would again quote the words of president obama. he thinks that having the i.c.e. enforcement actions was a deterrent for other people coming here. listen we are a nation of law and partnerships. come here legally. >> i've got one last question. excuse me we've got to try to cover the news and we'll get way
over but the congressional hearings with former special counsel robert mueller were supposed to happen this wednesday, they have been delay ed to the following wednesday july 24. on friday, president trump said democrats are just playing politics, take a look. president trump: how many bites of the apple do you get? we've gone through 500, 2,500 subpoenas, i've let them interview my lawyers, because i had nothing to do with russia. now that's come out there was no collusion. >> chris: does the president think that congress has a legitimate oversight role as part of this constitutional function and what does he hold? and i've got less than a minute. what does he hope comes out of the mueller hearings? >> i expect very little will come out because director mueller himself said his report is his testimony and he told the wholee country within the last six to eight weeks he's retiring to private sector, this is over and he has nothing further to add and now they will have him
go and beve subpoenaed and the democrats were pleased with the aweek delay, chris because it allows an additional hour for questioning but that means republicans will bee able to question also confirming under oath with director mueller did you issue 2,800 subpoenas, how much did this cost the taxpayers ,to the mueller report was presented before people didn't like what was in it, that it was going to be the definitive authoritative, final word on this investigation about russia collusion in the campaign that i ran a successful conclusion, nobody ever apologized to us they should to the taxpayers, sure, oversight has a function but i think americans are watching the waste of taxpayer dollars and a big do -over that we don't need. >> chris: okay, do-overkings? that's pretty good. and just another morning with kellyanne conway. >> by the way you fix for it as you fix tv pr, and asylum. >> kellyanne thank you for your time. we'll continue this in the post-
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>> chris: how democrats have made a lot of news this week, hammering the president's immigration policy, delaying the robert mueller hearings, and breaking into open warfare inside their own party. joining us exclusively in washington assistant house speaker ben lujan, the highest- ranking hispanic in congress and welcome back to fox sunday. and welcome back to fox
you just heard kellyanne conway say these raids that have now started, the i.c.e. raids, doesn't like to call them raids are a normal enforcement effort, they're for people who enter this country illegally and have been ordered the administrative process to leave the country and gotten the deportation order and had their day in court. she points out president obama did it why can't president trump >> well, chris, just as ntcongressional caucus and membs of the democratic membership have been saying all along is we just want the president to simply use his time to go after criminals and not children and families, and that's the concern that many of us have. many american-born children are terrified that they may come home from church today or if they go to school tomorrow that they come home from school and their parents are gone. >> but their parents did come illegally and have gone through a process and received a final deportation order. >> but again, the president
should be using its time to go up to the criminals and asylums isas opposed to the children and families and that's what we are talking about here. i'm terrified as to the fear that the president is instilling in families the impact this will have on small businesses across america, people who own these decisions may have been to come to the country in the way that they did but are working in restaurants as chef, teaching our kids in schools, serving in our military, defending the united states of america. i think that the president should concentrate his time on the criminals, not on those families. >> chris: i want to switch to a related subject. ildemocrats celebrated when president trump decided he was not going to try to push to have a question on the census about whether or not people are citizens but here is how the president described your party's opposition to that question. president trump: they probably know the b numbers far greater, much higher, than anyone would have ever believed before, maybe that's why they fight so hard.
>> chris: question. why is it wrong in a national census, accounting of all of the people in the country, to ask, are you a citizen or aren't you? chris, i believe that the founding fathers envisioned getting accurate counts of everyone in america and there should not be questions being put on this information gathering initiative that's going to discourage people from answering their doors to answering that very question, and the concern that many people have or most people have not just democrats but republicans, especially coming off the u.s. supreme court's decision that itt is allowed based on partisanship advantage, president trump recently admitted that the a reason for m gathering this information was for partisan but also the programs from communities, and our republican colleague want to cut access to food programs, school programs, housing programs, they should just put their vote up or down on the house floor and the senate floor as opposed to trying to hide what they are
trying to get done. >> chris: let's talk about the delay in the robert mueller hearings as i've discussed with kellyanne conway, from this wednesday, july 17 to the following wednesday, july 24. that will only be two days before congress leaves washington for six weeks for the august recess. isn't that going to make it pretty darn hard for democrats to build on anything that robert mueller should say? one of the points here was to try to build momentum to pursue the president in whatever he did or didn't do, but if you have this big hearing and leave two days later for a month and a half what does that accomplish? >> well i support the work of chairman nadler and the members of the judiciary committee, the special counsel and his report only are one part of this. i want to encourage everyone across america to read your report and get your eyes on those 438 pages but also tune in because the special counsel will be answering questions
associated with what's in that report and i want to make sure the american people tune in but chris, make no mistake there are many other investigations that are beingng looked into. the importance of understanding the allegations associated with tax evasion, with money laundering as well, the importance of getting the financial documents from deutsche bank or understanding the president's tax return even those that have been made available at the local level in new york so there are many areas that have to be looked into this is one area and two days of important tuning in by the american people into the questioning that will be taking place. >> chris: tensions inside the house democratic caucus went very public this week. speaker pelosi dismissed these four freshman congresswoman who are the so-called "squad" this way. all these people have their public whatever, this is pelosi talking about the squad. all these people have their public whatever and their twitter world that they didn't have any following, and
alexandria ocasio-cortez respond ed the persistent singl ing out that got to a point where it was just out right disrespectful, and the explicit singling out of newly-elected women of color. is speaker pelosi losing control of the democratic caucus? >> chris, look i'm always a believer that the answer to that question is "no." second i've always been a believer that when you have disagreements with your colleagues you have a conversation with them, you sit down and talk. that's what we should be -- >> but you didn't have that. you had nancy pelosi dissing " the squad", i can't believe this sounds like high school, in a column in the new york times and then you had aoc firing back ine an interview in the washington post, not sitting down and talking. >> well this week the speaker was very clear that if members have a difference of opinion or questions even the speaker that they should take the time to sit down and talk and that's been my
approach all along. i've learned from predecessors and my colleagues and speaker pelosi and as a person of color, asas the highest-ranking hispan, i can tell you that nancy pelosi has lifted up my voice to make sure that i've had opportunities and my voice has been heard as well and i continue to look towards herce leadership for the good of the country. >> chris: you talk about doing this quietly in private as a family. friday night, your house democratic caucus issued a tweet , at public tweet, couldn't have gone more public, as going after aoc's chief of staff. i want to put this up. he had attacked the chief of staff had attacked a democratic congresswoman for "enabling race ex racism." here was the tweet from the official democratic caucus. keep your name out of your mouth so much for in-house, talking. some members, honestly, are some members of your caucus losing patience with aoc and some of the other freshman shooting
inside? >> well first, saying those things about congresswoman davis is absolutely wrong, as the chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee , i got to know her and i actually had a big role to play in that important race where she won and flipped this important district as well but again, i'm of the approach that you need to sit down and have a conversation, and bring people into that room to do that. i think that this weekend into next week you'll hear more from our democratic colleagues about the importance of that, but again, the t tone of what was included in that specific message to congresswoman davis from canada was wrong and something i did not support. >> w chris: i finally want to talk to the president's surprise has beenbo tweeting this morning and i want to put up a tweet because he specifically has been calling out progressive democratic congresswoman who come originally from countries, his words, his governments are
complete ande total catastrophe and he says this. "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime -infested places from which they came, and then come back and show us how it is done." your thoughts about president trump saying to duly-elected members of congress, go back to your homes. >> chris that's the first i'm hearing of that. that's a racist tweet. telling people to go back to where they came from? these are american citizens elected by voters in the united states of america to serve one of the most distinguished bodies in the u.s. house of representatives. i think that's wrong and especially all that's going on across machining for the president to spend time saying such racist things this morning it sounds like? >> chris: yes. >> the horrendous detention facilities that we have across the country that vice president pence brought attention to that even he said is horrendous that the inspector general has called out, that the commissioner on
human rights from the u.n. has said that these facilities are in horrendous conditions. the price of insulin which has increased over 1,000 percent but has negatively impacted people is what the president should have his attention on not picking fights and especially sending out racist tweets. >> chris: congressman lujan, thank you. please come back, sir. >> i look forward to it, sir. >> chris: up next we'll bring into discuss if people in this country are u.s. citizens. ♪ here i go again on my own ♪ goin' down the only road i've ever known ♪ ♪ like a-- ♪ drifter i was ♪born to walk alone! you're a drifter? i thought you were kevin's dad. little bit of both. if you ride, you get it. geico motorcycle. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more.
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>> president trump: we are really specifically looking for bad players but also looking for people that came into our country, not through a process, they just walked over a line, they have to leave. >> chris: president trump defending i.c.e. raids thatus he started today, to round up immigrants with orders to leave the country, and it's time for our sunday group. former republican congressman jason chaffetz, and director of
the woodrow wilson center former congresswoman jane harmon, and mitch mcconnell's chief of staff josh holmes, so any problem with these i.c.e. raids, which as kellyanne pointed out, these are people who are in the country illegally who have been through the process and have received a final deportation order? >> i don't like the advanced notice. i want i.c.e. to bees able to o this on a regular basis and i would hope that the locals would actually cooperate, because these are people -- >> chris: but they're not bedoing that. they are actually telling people how to avoid getting rounded up by i.c.e. >> where are the democrats on this? how in the world, when you've gone through the final adjudication and a judge has ordered you to depart the country, how can we not all be united in saying that you have to leave. we're not aud nation where you just ignore a judge's order but that's the position democrats are taking and it is fundamental ly wrong. >> chris: well, we happen to have a democrat and a former congresswoman here.
it is a fact, whether it's nancy pelosi, whether it'ss the new democratic mayor of chicago, there are a lot of democratic officials who not only have said these raids are wrong but have openly advised people who fall into this category, how to avoid getting picked up. >> well first with kellyanne conway said about the use of the term "raid" which is unnecessary and she also said family separations are bad so good for her so it don't think it's a binary choice between enforcing the border which i'm for, i'm a democrat i'm for it and humane conditions which we don't have. why not plan better for this? the administration is doing -- >> nothing about these i.c.e. enforcements. >> i know but is doing quite well with the floods in louisiana and mississippi, good for them. they can do this, so you're asking about the enforcement actions. i think it's fine to do proper enforcement actions but have a process that is humane to people seeing those men stand up in the smell ite. quarters that we just
saw and vice president pence saw is not acceptable. congress has provided money. that money should be used before this happens, which is what senior dhs staff recommended and also we should be doing more know sure up the governments of the northern triangle something vice president pence was for a couple years ago, so that the push factor is reduced and we should be helping mexico, not just enforcing mexico, but ehelping mexico, police at the msouthern border the flow of immigrants and there are lots of things we can do better and enforce the law and have a secure border. >> support t the people that a judge has ordered to leave the country but don't work against i.c.e. and make their job and put their lives in danger, that's what democrats are doing? >> some democrats are doing it. this democrat thinks that i.c.e. has a responsibility to carry out the law. >> chris: let's talk about another issue and that is the census which got a lot of attention. the president seemed to flip on
the census and he was pushing very hard to put a question on the census questionnaire, are you or are you not a citizen. he backed off that here was mr. trump's defense. >> president trump: not only didn't i back down, i backed up because anybody elsee would have given this up a long time ago. >> chris: josh, did the president back down? did he cave which is what a lot of his conservative supporters said he did. >> in terms of what he's trying to accomplish he didn't which he's now going through the department to gather this information. >> chris: which was suggested over a year ago and he turned it down. >> sure i think his hands were tied because obviously the conducting of the census itself requires this questionnaire to be out there and to begin almost immediately, if you're going to have to get this in place to actually count the citizens we know that no matter what he would do if he tried to put a question on that questionnaire it would have been locked up in court for months so in order to do thent census itself he had to do this. one thing i think he did succeed
on which i find it amazing how every time he does this. he was able toad get the entirey of the democratic party to somehow take a position that it was irresponsible and inappropriate to count the number of americans living in this country. i don't to how he does it but literally almost everyns time he takes a position he gets his political opposition to embrace a position that it's so far out of the mainstream of the american that it's almost laugh able. >> chris: you look troubled about this. >> i am baffled. >> chris: but i just talked to congressman lujan, the top hispanic in the congress and he seemed to think there's something wrong with asking a question on the census, are you a citizen or not? and i think in most americans that seems like a pretty reasonable question. >> well first to josh's point i think everybody wants everyone to be counted. that's the point. not to intimidate or steer people who are here undocumented but what's the constitution, what the founter said was an
enumeration of the population. that's everyone, but i think -- >> chris: but is it unreasonable? we ask a lot of questions in the census about race, about income, about gender. what's wrong with asking citizenship? >> nothing. what we're talking about i think there has been historically there has been in the past. >> chris: there's one that goes up to 3 million people. >> thank you, that's what i'm talking about3 but on the short form it's not and this is an effort by this president and this administration is part of stirring anti-immigrant to say that the immigrant population don't participate. if you participate, there's a risk to you to your family. nancy pelosi said this week, this is an't effort to make america whiteel again. i think a that's what's going on because we know that republican operatives wanted to depress this count in order to limit congressional districts that were run by democrats, and the
supreme court -- >> let me bring josh back in. >> the commerce department rationale was contrived. >> one, i think it's beyond irresponsible to suggest the asking of whether or not you're an american citizen is somehow racist and has roots in trying to exclude people's color. >> you should look at the documentation put out by republicans that said just that, josh. >> this is aeg pretty straightforward issue and my point was it it is amazing how the president can get folks like you to embrace this discussion that actively says we should not know how many americans live in this country. >> i want everybody counted so i want not only americans because what's the constitution and the census is about is how many people live here. >> the supreme court didn't say never. the supreme court said the way this was being handled was contrived. there will be a chance if the trump adminitration wants to handle it for them to come back
in 10 years, oh, my god, not trump will be president but for people who want to do this to come back in 10 years and do this iff there's a good goal in mind. and i don't want to say it is terrible to know whose a citizen and the w presidents executive order directing something that's been happening for a year which is having the departments share information they already have on who the citizens are, is a valid order. >> that was a faith-saving maneuver by a president who folded. >> chris: okay i'm glad we settled that. all right, panel we have to take a break. when we come back, race, what we're talking about becomes a new flashpoint, as nancy pelosi struggles to control her caucus shamid a feud with freshman progressives like alexandria ocasio-cortez. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts
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>> the tweet that came out of the one with the member's offices thatn referenced our nw dems essentially as segregationi sts. is he is racist? >> no, no, absolutely not. >> chris: house speaker nancy pelosi trying to move on from a public feud with freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and other progressives in her own party so congresswoman harmon, it's fair to say you've had your own problems with nancy pelosi when congress, has she finally met her match with aoc? [laughter] well, let's separate pelosi one and pelosi two. i was in pelosi one and yes -- >> chris: her first time as speaker. >> that's right and yes she should have been much more tolerant of people who were blue dogs that would be me and people who were bipartisan, that would also be me. and i was disappointed not to become chair of the house intelligence committee, no one missed that but then she lost
the majority in 2010 and who lost, the people in the center? i won, actually, but a lot of eopeople lost. in pelosi, the sequal, i think she's much more cognizant of the need to build the broader, i actually think the squad, whom i don't know, bring a lot of energy and creativity to the caucus and i think the challenge is not to dismiss them, but to embrace some of their ideas, some from the center and the blue dogs, and really build not just a bigger tent in terms of people getting along but in terms of a showcase of ideas. if she can do that she'll keep the majority which will be a huge legacy for the only person who happens to be a woman who has been elected to a complete second tour as speaker and i think she might be able to pull it off. >> chris: josh things are much more orderly in the senate than they are in that unruly lower chamber as it's known, the house what do you thinks going on with the house democrats? >> well, for those of us who watched nancy pelosi's leadership over the last 10
years and really democratic leadership in general they've been very wreckless at accusations of racism for a long time so it's really difficult for a lot of us to shed a tear about watching them reep what they sew with aoc and the rest of them in this latest clash. she is in a more tenuous position than john bolton ever was. >> chris: pelosi? >> yes. >> the house freedom caucus had a lot more members than the squad does. >> the first opportunity if they had in a legislative function to sort of show these is right before the fourth of july and i think if you backed up and looked at the time line for 2010 these are much much quicker and a much much more aggressive wayn and personal way than house republicans ever were at that stage and what is equally hard for me to figure out is how she will repair it.
we're talking about extreme differences manifesting themselves on the national stage and extremely personal attacks with two sides of the conference never the two shall meet and so the governing at this stage looks to me to be very very difficult. >> chris: i'm going to turn to another subject. we were gearing up, this week, for the big hearings with robert mueller, this wednesday, july 17 all day coverage on fox and then they were delayed to july 24, a week from wednesday. here is one of the house democratic leaders on the mueller hearings. >> it's very important that the american people have the opportunity to hear from robert mueller, that he have the opportunity to convey to the american people all of the evidence he collected. >> chris: what do you make of the delay and the same question i ask congressman lujan, with the delay, the hearings are now going to be on wednesday and two days later, congress leaves for six weeks, doesn't whatever if there is anything that they can
build on doesn't that end the momentum on that? >> i don't think it ends the momentum, i think the entire intent on this given that mr. mueller issued his report and he won't say much beyond his onport is to give the american people from the democrats perspective a chance to hear what mueller has said and i think a lot of people didn't read the report and so for them to have televised coverage of robert mueller sitting there saying what his findings were, not listening to the attorney general bill barr, but actually get to the point, and the largest point would be the criminal process is not the place to go after this president , we should go after non-criminal and that means, guess what? impeachment. >> chris: i understand that but then to have everybody leave town for six weeks? >> well i don't think it's going to t stop this argument or russian interference fierce and over the participation of this trump campaign and whether or not there was any effort to
obstruct the mueller investigation. i don't think that's going away in six weeks. congressman, mueller has made it very clear he is a reluctant witness. he doesn't want to do this and also made it very clear he is going to stick so what was written by him andma his team, n the 448-page report. what are the chances these big hearings turn out to be a dud? >> i think highly likely. there's a 50/50 shot as to whether we actually have the hearing. you have the attorney general say outloud he would support mueller. i think mueller is concerned aboute his long term presence ad tenure and he doesn't want to go out having ignored a subpoena but at the same time, he has nothing new to say other than what republicans will ask him about all of the things mueller didn't do so democrats can't seem to put this hearing together. its been a couple months since the report initially came out
that should be their first clue that this thing is not going well. the democrats just seem to want to have it read aloud because they're frustrated that oh, my gosh how come nobody is listen ing here? because there's nothing in there that's going to prosecute anybody in the trump orbit in any way, shape or form. that thing is over. >> chris: congresswoman? >> it's a teachable moment for everyone, not just democrats, there's three hours of judiciary committee hearings, two hours of intelligence committee hearings all public and if the members on both sides ask serious questions -- >> asking serious questions? >> actually -- >> the committees are going to show they have nothing else to do. >> there is always hope. i live in hope and i think congress could have a really good day. >> i just i worry that what you just said is absolutely right that you're going to see now an effort by the white house the president describing this as
democrats taking another bite of the apple to discourage mueller from ever testifying. we knowur that the justice department stopped two of mueller's top aids from testifying so i.c.e. and they are going to go after the credibility, oh, why did this investigation start? it was based on phony documents. >> you're right and thathy is where they're going to go. that's what's going to happen. >> we can all agree it's a wonderful opportunity for congress to humiliate itself once again. >> chris: and the other thing is the fact that instead of giving all of their time to the chairman or one member or to a staff member and let him for an hour and a half talk they are each going to get five minutes and that means no consistent questions. thank you, panel that's my comments. see you next sunday. up next a m power player of the week and an inside look at one of washington's most prestigious and most private homes. up next our power player of the week. inside look at one of i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed, but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my
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>> we recently had korea visitors. chris: matthew is talking about has the state visiting blair house, the presidential guest mansion across from the white house. the general manager gave us a rare look behind the scenes there. over more than seven decades blair house has been washington headquarters for visitors like winston churchill in queen elizabeth, nikita khrushchev and vladimir putin. benjamin netanyahu in the manual macron. >> the total rooms are about 119 and the square footage is close to 70000 square feet and full-time staff of 15. chris: in fact, it's a hotel. >> we consider it a quasi- home, bed-and-breakfast. [laughter] chris: heck of a bed-and-breakfast. preston blair a man of andrew jackson kitchen cabinet but house in $183,646,500 but that is just the start of its place in history.
>> chris, this is the lincoln room. it's called that because when we can was president he often came over here to get advice from blair. chris: blair house to got a new role in 1942 during world war ii. churchill used to stay here during the white house. >> he would be up late at night having a drink or two, picking up the president versus roosevelt had had enough. chris: so they bought blair house. yes. >> the trumans arrive in washington to set up the new house. chris: starting in 1948 harry truman lived here for years while the white house was under renovation. >> this is what called the we dining room. back in trumans days he used this table and chairs as the cabinet room and it's also where we made the decision to join the korean war. chris: in 19502 puerto rican
nationalists try to shoot their way into blair house and killed the president. >> president truman continues to take his daily walks. two quick shooting white house guards were. chris: in 1977 to mccarter k playhouse a new role. every president elect since has spent the night before his inauguration in what is called the principal sweet. it has two separate bedrooms but the main role of blair house is what it has been for 76 years. to extend the nation's hospitality to presidential guests the matter how short the notice. >> the house is always ready. if one showed up this morning or tomorrow we are always ready for visitors. chris: in december, president trump walked across the street from the white house to meet with former president george w. bush at blair house. the former first family stayed there before george h to be brushes state funeral here in washington. that is it for us today.
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