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"special report." "the story" hosted by martha maccallum right now. martha, have a great show and great weekend. >> martha: thank you very much much, you too. the mueller hearings were not what the democrats were expecting. the chairman jerry nadler says he knows there is something there, so he plans to keep on digging. >> there appears to be compelling evidence of the president's conduct outside of the four corners of the mueller report and we will work to uncover that as well. i can characterize the specific points. specific to content, obviously. >> martha: doesn't know at this point, right? today, he did pick up more democrats dedicated going down this path with him. 100 house democrats are on boar
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board. alan dershowitz wrote "the case against impeaching trump," and he joins me now. professor dershowitz, thank you for joining me today. >> thank you so much but i want to change the name of the report from the weissmann report to the staff report because apparently mueller didn't write it and apparently he didn't even read it. i don't think we should be calling it the mueller report, they just use his name and credibility to give an employee to a report that was obviously written by the staff. >> that was one of the most stunning reservations i thought as well as we cover this. it's very clear he did not have a deep grasp of the details of the report and very clear that he didn't know some of the names of people involved, even, when he was asked about them. but you heard what jerry nadler said there. he said he believes that there
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is some other existence outside of the report that requires them to keep digging here. you wrote the case against impeaching president trump. what would you say to him if you sent the book along with him in august recess? >> my grandson is out fishing right now and this is the perfect definition of a fishing expedition. he doesn't know what he's looking for. maybe he will throw some folks in the water and hope that he'll come up or something the way investigations are not supposed to be conducted, either prosecutorial investigations or congressional. on fox the friday level for the hearing, i was asked by laura whether i thought this would be a hail mary pass made by the democrats, i thought it would be an intercepted pass that the republicans would use to their advantage and it would hurt the democrats. as a democrat myself, it was painful for me to see democrats shooting themselves in the foot. americans don't want to see this
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path towards an impeachment pair they want to see the democrats work together with the republicans and try to achieve something to make the lives of americans better every day, not to go down the line to satisfy 100 radicals led by four radicals leading to something that will never be impeached. you can't start an impeachment without a majority of the congress. >> martha: it feels like they owe their constituents back home, they really want them to do this in certain areas, right? they are going down that road and they believe that they want a do over, essentially, alan robert mueller didn't give them what they wanted. if we want the job the moment, we need the president's lawyer, they need john mcgann dam again to sit there. rachel maddow believes they got the wrong lawyer when they brought in robert mueller. here's what she said.
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>> because of that performance i think that lights the fire under the need to speak to the people on his team. who actually did the work. if congress wants more substantive and detailed answers from the people who did that work, it seems they would have to purchase two conversations and testimony now from the other members of mueller's team. >> you know, rachel maddow has been wrong 90% of the time. cnn has been wrong 80% of the time. i have been right 100% of the time not because i'm any smarter because i don't engage in wishful thinking. i do analysis. i try to understand the constitution and the law and i applied equally the better who is the subject. the original title of my book, the case against impeaching trump, the case against impeaching hillary clinton. when we all thought hillary clinton would be elected
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and people were saying lock her up, lock her up, i was writing a book why hillary clinton shouldn't be impeached. i try to make it up the middle. i'm not ideological when it comes to my analysis of the law. that's why i've been right more than cnn and cnbc. i'm not bragging about this, i'm only making a point that you analyze this from an objective point of view. >> martha: last question for you. you basically give the reason the democrats in your party that they should move on because people want them to. but what about -- jerry nadler based on what he said today would say that low back, i should do this because there's wrongdoing and it's my responsibility to find it and subpoenaed on mcgann and everyone else i can to find out what actually happened here. >> that's exactly what the framers of the
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needs to be treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. unless they have a basis for believing one of those categories has been satisfied, you don't engage in a fishing expedition. you don't use the resources of the united states government to search for some possibility that maybe you can find the something that can lead to an impeachment. that's the wrong way to go. if the republicans are doing this to the democrats, nadler will be the first one this say this is a violation. we need to have the same rule for everybody. what i call the shoe on the other foot test. if it's good for the democrats, it's good for the republicans and vice versa. >> martha: you did exactly that back in the '90s. alan dershowitz, good to see you again. welcome back, sir. political editor of and richard fowler, both are fox news contributor's.
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thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: richard, let me start with you. would you look at treason, bribery, high crimes committed that you've got 100 house democrats who believe that they can meet the test for that. do you agree with them? >> listen to but i do not think this is a political question, this is a question of mathematics whether or not you c caucus in the house who say who want to impeach the president. the problem you have is this. in the united states and its for the impeachment query will take place or trial take place, you need 67 senators to vote to impeach. right now, i do not think we are near anywhere 67. i think we are somewhere 40. >> martha: jerry nadler and those 100 people are saying this specifically, they don't care. they are saying that we believe believe -- that's actually the cleanest line of thinking in terms of being truthful, right?
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if you are saying, i think all these horrible things happened and the speed that report somehow just couldn't find them, isn't it incumbent on you? if you really believe that and we hear that every day from somebody democrats, that isn't it incumbent on them to keep going? >> here's the thing, the house of representatives have the goal of oversight, the goal to ensure the administration -- if they want to investigate this president, if they want to have a hearing about wrongdoing, they should. if they want to look into whether or not this president obstructed justice which the volume of the mueller report points to that, i think that's where the speaker is. the speaker pelosi is saying let's get the evidence out here, let's look at, but at the end of the day we don't have the numbers to push the impeachment movement forward. >> martha: it's purely political way of looking at what many of these people claim is something so much deeper, that
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it's about patriotism, wrongdoing, and here saying democrats are now at war. >> we are at war. it is time for the democrats to wake up. we are playing against cheaters, liars, the steelers but we may not have won the battle of impeachment, but we are going to win back the war. we are not necessarily going to replace it. >> martha: what do you think? >> throw him in jail? that's a lot. we just had a two-year investigation as thorough as it could possibly be and it did not produce proof, any proof, of an underlying crime of collusion and we saw the evidence back and forth one way or another on the obstruction of justice. there are people of good faith to disagree on that or the person who matters is the attorney general who says -- martha, the whole notion here at the democrats maintaining this
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very strange obsession, like they cannot give this up. they can't give up the ghost, they can't let it go. they are so invested in this that they are going to keep digging and digging in the minds of most americans has been resolved. if they truly believe that nadler has said and many democrats have said over and over again that the president committed crimes, they say they already have that evidence. right in front of us in plain sight so have the courage of your convictions and go impeach the guy. do your job as you see it and impeach the president. if they care if kubrick would just beat him in 2020. >> martha: that's a fair point. the thing is they've accused the president of are so big, so deep, so at this point you either have to say, you know what? okay. we thought to have this investigation, we fought to have robert mueller run this investigation. we let him hire whoever he wanted to hire.
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if anybody was going to find him guilty of things given the resumes of these people, they would've found it. if there is a loss or liability for somebody come forward and say, it's done, we look into ito laud. >> this is a matter or not if the president committed a crime or not, it's a battle for democrats and battle for my party. >> martha: what's the crime you are talking about? >> i think you can somewhat argue in volume to go there seven instances where they feel that some democrats feel as if he obstructed justice. once again -- feeling it doesn't bother him that the investigation itself couldn't decided? they will decide it. >> walked down like robert mueller in his testimony thinks it's clear --
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when he walk through the steps of obstruction of justice, he would try him for obstruction of justice. >> martha: this is about the court of public opinion. it's not a small addendum there that he walked it back. that's a big deal. we've got to leave it there, guys, and i will see you seen him. thank you very much. good to see you both. the supreme court just handed president trump a huge win back on the border wall. democrats adopt a new talking point after their speed not disappointment, they question the patriotism of president trump, his allies. they say they are the ones who are on the side of patriotism. trump attorney rudy giuliani joins me exclusively next. >> the facts in the law, that's what matters but not politics, the partisanship, but patriotis.
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he went president trump tonight has scored a major legal win on his border wall. the supreme court moments ago in a 5-4 division dell make decisions says the administration can tap into pentagon funds to build sections on the wall along the southern border, $2.5 billion that was frozen after two groups led by the aclu sued the trump administration when he deplored declared an emergency along the southern border. the supreme court allowing southern border wall to proceed, a big win for border security and rule of law. also this evening, since the speed nine hearing ended with a
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dud, the talk has turned from crime to the question of patriotism. watch this. >> and infuriating like a patriotism for the very people seeking the highest office of the land. >> what i found so powerful about his testimony today was not just what he was asked about the law but what he was asked about the ethics, morality, the lack of patriotism for the conduct. >> a president who engages in repeated crimes is unpatriotic and the dictatorial actions. this cannot go on. >> martha: all the other side of the aisle, his president and supporters say the lack of patriotism is not on their side, it is with those who sought an "insurance policy" against him just in case he won the electio election. >> this is a fake witch hunt and it should never be allowed to happen to another president again. this was treason. this was high crimes.
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this was everything as bad a definition as you want to come up with. they should never be allowed to happen to our country again. >> martha: given that the argument being made again, the question becomes who gets to grab the mantle of patriotism in this battle. here exquisitely to the, rudy giuliani. mayer, good to see you today. that would patriotism was use over and over again ever since mueller was finished talking. a major theme in the language. >> it's not going to work as good as the word speed nine would work for him. everybody knows what happened. mueller got knocked out. there were a lot of attacks on bob and he wasn't smart and didn't pay attention, may be true. a real problem, you can only go so far in creating a faulty case. bob ultimately does have integrity but he was asleep at the switch. the inmates took over the asylum
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like weissmann, trampling of people's rights, uncharacteristic of bob mueller, by the way. made me wonder if he's in charge of this thing. the reality are the democrats are making total clouds of themselves. it's not about patriotism. if you have any sense of decency, this is over. they couldn't -- they couldn't find collusion. they couldn't find obstruction in any sensible way. he didn't obstruct any lawyer dell make anything come now they are trying to -- he must've done something wrong or it wasn't presented correctly. if angela wiseman couldn't get three people to lie about donald trump, one of them in solitary confinement, i would say he came pretty close to torture, manafort, put him in solitary confinement, died times tell them what to say but he says he gets out of solitary confinement, that's what we call perjury.
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put into it. these two guys, that blair and schiff, are not operating on the same mental power as much more religious in some ways. if they could do it they aren't going to do it. >> martha: one thing interesting of the questioning side i think a lot of america started to hear things they have never heard before. we've covered both sides of the story throughout the case of the entire thing, the president's side feels there was some sort of fed up, talk about what we believe happens to him. listen to devin nunes and he went through this line of questioning, i watch some of the other channels of process coverage and it's like they never heard of any of these people. >> can you repeat the question? >> whether or not you interviewed steven trey gave dell deck >> those are areas i'm going to stay away from.
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>> supposedly heard about a conversation between james kobe has called him a russian agent but your report does not refer to him as a russian agent. spew what i heard people who is he talking about? my question for you is as the president's authority, what is the next step in terms of shedding more light what you believe it is the other side of the story, that more should be pursued here. >> we are going to find out that he was operating for a so-called friendly insured dial back intelligence dell back if you had any common sense or sense of honesty, i knew that immediately. lots of counter intelligence -- the whole scheme with papadopoulos has all the earmarks of forward
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counterintelligence. >> martha: he's a young guy who just joined the team, people are reaching out, we'd like to meet with you. >> i knew they would bring a beautiful woman in to try to seduce -- this is out of a cheap double. i can speculate, can't tell you what they are doing. but somebody who's got -- b1 eddie davis cup to buy? >> i do not want to accuse anybody without facts. comey has got to be in the center of this investigation. comey signed an affidavit that's plainly filed false about stee. you cannot verify four buds later if it's verified four buds early. this guy is heading the big trouble. let's say if mccabe talks. peter strzok, do you think he's a candidate for getting states
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and online articles which effectively provided a worldwide megaphone to smear a young boy o in its view and acceptable casualty" that federal judge appointed by jimmy carter dismissed the case saying the accusations were not supported by the plain language of "the washington post" article. the judge went on to say, when it comes to modern libel laws there are many defenses, even in the case of defamatory statements. remember, nick sandmann was widely vilified after self umbilical dublin video of the full video that his covington classmates were not the instigators. but it appears nathan phillips felt he was being blocked by the students and his opinion, the judge rolled, jicama meeting mr. phillips, pass those conclusions onto the post. they have been erroneous, but they are an option protected by the first amendment and the post
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is not liable for publishing those opinions. nick sandmann's father released a statement about the dismissal, if what is done to nicholas is not legally actionable than the wood is safe. the lawyers wrote, the law must protect innocent minors from journalists, the attorneys are also planning to appeal the decision, lawsuits against cnn and nbc are still pending, martha. >> martha: trace, thank you very much. a $15 per hour minimum wage can list some members of the squad as they call themselves want to take it a step further. calling for nearly a four to 30% increase in the federal minimum wage protect workers from $2.13 an hour to $20, she says, they should get per hour.
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>> it's just not enough. $20 an hour. >> martha: here now, charlie couric, founder and president of the turning point you see, and michelle ritchie, democratic strategist and former press secretary for house democrats. good to have you with us this evening. let me start with you, charlie. what your response to rashida tlaib and her squad cohorts. >> the numbers when you look to raise the minimum wage but we saw what happened in new york city, 75% of restaurants had to cut hours and cut back staff because of a raise in minimum wage. the congressional budget office estimates that 3.7 million jobs will be lost if the federal minimum wage went up $15, let alone $20 an hour. not to mention the prices go up. it's the consumer that ends up paying more and it's the middle class and lower class workers, entry-level positions that get
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cut when you raise minimum wage and it's a burden on the middle class. >> martha: alexandria ocasio-cortez saw a segment on n fox & friends and said this. restaurant chefs are much, much harder. most of these fox news correspondence couldn't last one day in these hard working job they love to mock on television. i doubt that they were mocking the jobs on television and i point out that this fox news correspondence spent eight years waiting tables and it is very, very hard work. harder than being in congress, perhaps. >> it's funny she said that because when i graduated from college, i was a waitress and i was a reporter for 12 years. i know exactly as how it feels. being a reporter is harder than being a waitress, but charlie is absolutely right. you have to look at the numbers for you to the saying when they say give a person a fish and they will go a mile? i see that's what's happening
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now with this health bill passing for $15. there is an argument there that making may be $2.13 actually dot them, their poverty rate at 19% compared to those who have a standard minimum wage. >> martha: but you don't get to minimum wage with your tips, they have to get you to minimum wage. that's the way it was when i was a waitress. >> they aren't getting to $13 an hour. the irs actually says that 40% of tips go unreported, so we really don't know what the numbers are. i think we have to slow down and see how $15 actually gets them, whatever, as the $50 does, how that impacts us and do we have room to do more? >> martha: i wonder how hard -- some of us works very hard like any job in america, but they get an enormous time off, and they work in washington, 200 days a year.
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so definitely a better shift than when she was hard to there part time. >> they are visiting the final thing though is wages are actually finally going up in this country for the first time in 12 years thanks to the booming economy that president trump has been able to oversee with tax cuts and regulation cuts. the same thing they are advocating for with wage hikes, we are seeing in the real economic data. >> martha: that's the question. do you eliminate jobs when you force companies to raise the minimum wage, and it seems like the numbers back that up. the whole idea with minimum wage is that it's for a short time. that's your first job. you want to make more money. >> you go from making 20, than 30 coveted 40. it continuously grows. i read an interesting article and he talked about when he went to a seattle restaurant where they have this $15 for every employee that on his bill, a 20%
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service charge because the restaurant does not make enough money to pay that much per hour. the restaurant is going to go out of business. i was here in new york city, i'm already paying $50 for a glass of wine -- i do not like the mandatory tip. >> martha: thank you, guys. after a list attacked in the last thing she cannot support the death penalty and be pro-life. then the response when we come back. who ey really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa"
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politicians to activists, even actresses like anti-cavanagh crusader alyssa milano, your administration staged five executions of actual people. you've lost the right to pull your pro-life -- you can see what's there. dana loesch responded with this, one of these actual people sexually molested and tortured his 2-year-old daughter to death. another slit a 9-year-old throat after killing her grandmother. another dismembered a 16-year-old before beating an elderly woman with polio to death. these criminals, she writes, or actual animals. dana loesch joins me now, nationally syndicated talk show host. thanks for coming back. >> martha, thank you. >> martha: this ignites controversy because a lot of people who are pro-life are against the death penalty.
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she brings up what she sees as a discrepancy here in the argument. what do you say? >> i would never compare an innocent baby to that of an adult criminal who decides two of their own volition commit something so atrocious that there's no going back. i understand the concerns people have about the death penalty. but at the same time, people need to realize that there is a reason why this punishment, visibility, was created. it's not done so out of vengeance. it's actually done so to honor the dignity of life that was lost. i can't compare innocent children to adults who willfully commit such heinous criminal actions and i think that's the big difference for me, martha. >> martha: obviously everybody has their own feelings about this. it's a very sensitive issue, but clearly the actions of these five people are the most heinous, horrific crimes that
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you can imagine. if anybody deserves the death penalty, obviously there is very good reason that they are on the list. i want to put up on the screen and some other people up on death row, some of these names i think people will recognize. tsarnaev, whites of permissive gary lee samson who would sentenced to death the second time in 2017 the four carjacking murderers. there was some time where this was not on the table, we were doing federal executions in this country. a lot a lot of americans are against it. pope francis has said he'd like to see global and back to the death penalty camus he thinks they'll back it goes back to the question whether or not -- two people to in beings have the right to take life, whether it's before birth or at any point during life or is that
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decision left up to god? >> well, i actually think god has spoken about it. with all due respect to the pub, it's discussed in genesis as well. we can stay on that a bit. typically it has been supported. in terms of the inhumanity or lack of humidity for the death penalty, it's inhumane with these rigorous dented innocent victims and people tend to forget that sometimes in the whole discussion. dignity of life has been lost. and those examples you gave come up that was the full body count. those were just some of the victims that these men had taken. >> martha: before i let you go go, there are some in congress being in favor of abortion and against the death penalty, though. what about that argument?
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>> in favor of abortion and against the death penalty is odd to be because you could deadwood life to death for doing nothing but simply existing, and wanting to exonerate another life. that to be is not close and pathetic. that doesn't make any sense to be but i hope one point couple martha, i understand there is corruption in the system. we need to remove the corruption cup without the justice, and we should support checks and balances like the innocence project. >> martha: thank you for being with us today. to be go up next ladies' night coming up next. g gel advanced insoles with softer, bouncier gel waves, you'll move over 10% more than before.
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>> martha: earlier this week we told you about the new yorker's jane mayer who wrote a hit piece on brett kavanaugh last year during the whole confirmation process. she really in that piece used hearsay, something somebody remembered telling them as evidence in the judge kavanaugh piece, but now she wrote a lengthy piece in the new yorker
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about al franken, saying he had railroaded in the main woman accusing him was not credible. the ladies at "the view" were talking about this collision course between people's politics and #metoo. >> it would be very uncomfortable for democrats if al franken was sitting there busting brett kavanaugh. i do not think #metoo should be about what party you voted for. >> his personality, the way biden has been able to get out of those accusations. they disappeared the minute he resigned. >> joe biden putting his -- >> martha: here now for our own ladies' night, lisa boothe, this guitar love, good to have you here jessica tarlov, good to have you here. suddenly when jane mayer is defending al franken after
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thrashing brett kavanaugh on the thinnest threat of someone telling her something then revert happening in a dorm although they were there, it just raises the question of cheering one team and let another and not applying the same standard across the board. >> it's complicated. the main accuser, i happen to believe her. i think she is telling the truth about what happened that there are a lot of people who do believe her and might've either decided he should still doesn't matter anymore. we are past the statute of limitations. >> the jane mayer piece wasn't even talking about that. >> i know. that's why i wanted to drop the distinction. >> exposing himself... >> i want to draw the distinction, that's the -- i think jane mayer got herself in tricky situation. actually spoke to us this week that they the story came out and defended her decision to push for al franken to the resigned.
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she said, i think that's a bit of a tenuous story. 7- eight other women who had also said that al franken had made them uncomfortable or touch them inappropriately. and you have to take the entire body of work there. you cannot be partisan and have to take the totality of the story. >> politically kirsten gillibrand if she starts backing down -- figure out i did think either of these threats down the accusations considering the fact they have zero corroborating evidence and even the witnesses that christine ford named contradicted what was said, she was forced by her friends to change her story. but regarding jane mayer tweeted out saying that almost nothing has made accuser, talking about al franken, checks out. neither did her story about deborah ramirez. "the new york times" say they try to pursue the story of us
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that's the same story for all three women. nbc sent with information that would have been an official and sat on it until after he was conferred. if anything, if you look at what happened to brett kavanaugh, it was an orchestrated severe by the media and that's exactly what the new yorker piece was for brett kavanaugh. the article about al franken is a defense of him. >> with people's lives, you've got to be careful and you have to make sure that you have your evidence as down package you could possibly say. >> the franken situations is an example of the frenzy that happened in the immediate aftermath of the #btoo movement. it works for the politically. they came out of a party that we are going to believe all the women and they couldn't say that with franken still in office. so i know a lot of people have issues with this piece, but i'm
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glad i know that democrats feel bad about what they did to franken because he didn't have a chance to defend. >> it was his choice but he could've gone -- >> after three doesn't democrats put pressure on him. >> said it was important to establish a pattern of behavior so if you want to look at the motivating factor behind the brett kavanaugh piece, that was it. not because deborah ramirez's story was credible, she said she was drunk and didn't remember most of it. >> a lot goes on. >> there were people who got swept up in the early stages of #metoo that the desire to be there. is that a statement you agree with? >> their careers are rude and now i think this process is getting a lot more attention.
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every case, the better what it is, if you rob someone's house, everybody is referred to due process the better what the charges are. even tom brady deserves it. here he is on vacation in costa rica with his family. just watch this. >> my gosh... >> i watch that three times or by phone when it first came out and every time my heart just stopped. >> you can tell i'm not a mob yet because that looks like fun. >> i'm a big tom brady fan so i'm thinking there's way he's letting go. he's going to be safely carried in that water. >> that's the quarterback inhib. >> all the people who have been shaving him there's a point in
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time would you bid negligence to to some degree who put your child in the harbor, i find it so aggravating when people go on and shape the way -- it's like dog shaving. all these keyboard warriors like tom brady doesn't have great judgment. he's doing fine in the decision-making department. something he wouldn't have posted on social media if she got hurt. >> that's true expect >> everything is fine. people do that. i'm sure he didn't find the only little waterfall i don't have instagram but i've gone on it just to stand over the brady- brady-bunchen life. >> and more with "the story"
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>> maria: that is "the big story" of friday, july 26, 2019. as always, the story goes on. we'll see you back here monday at 7:00. have a great weekend, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening. welcome to a special inside the issues edition of "tucker carlson tonight." we are taking a deeper dive for the next hour beneath the headlines in some of the issues that influence the way america is changing. first tonight when robert mueller's final report on russia came out this spring, the geniuses on television had one word for it. "damning." truly and completely damning. so damning you could block the colorado river with it and create your own hydropower. it was that damning. watch. >> the report has damning ways that the president tried to


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