watching. ♪ ♪ steve: breaking tonight, a big shake-up in president trump's national security team as texas congressman john ratcliffe will replace dan coats as director of national intelligence. we'll get to that later in tonight's show. evening, everybody, and welcome to "the next revolution," i'm steve hilton, and this is the home of extremely e pro-america. so i just want to tell you what i got up to last week. i was away from it all, i was literally in the wildernessing with a capital w away from phones, computers and technology, and that meant away from mueller and all the excitement about the mueller testimony, all the buildup, all-day coverage, and i was

wondering, as i was climbing the beautiful mountains, you know, vaguely in the back of my mind, what will be the outcome? president trump survive? -- will president trump survive? i check the news on saturday morning, and what is the impact of all of that? nothing. absolutely nothing, as if it had never even happened. and yet the establishment, the democrats, they are still going on about it. the democrats and the deep state media have become a cult of conspiracy. consumed by intolerant bigotry and hate. they don't care about your life, they just want to get trump and punish his supporters. well, here on this show we do care about your life, and we talk about the issues that affect it, because every minute spent talking about mueller and russia is an insult to every american. so tonight we have a special show for you focusing on what is pretty much the biggest political issue of our time, immigration. we're going to take a deep dive into immigration policy and look at it from every angle.

border security, the asylum rules, whether more aid to central america will solve the problem. we'll be joined by key figures, plus sara carter and charlie kirk with me for the night. but we're going to start with what's most important in all this, you. where do the american people stand on immigration? what do you want done? if you listen to the democrats and establishment media, president trump stands on immigration, and how many times have you heard this, just pandering to his base. here's a taste of the establishment view. >> i have not seen the president be serious about dealing with immigration. he has used the issue, he riles up his base -- >> it's about dividing and raising the issue of racism. that's his base. >> the president has thrown red meat to his base when he does

that. >> this fear-based culture is a toxic thing that he's doing. it may help him gin up parts of his base -- >> he's trying to do other things to amp up his base. >> the thinks that demonstrating this time of cruelty is going to rile up his base. >> he'll cater to his base. >> is this a real immigration plan, or is it just playing to his base? steve: really? let's see what americans, all americans -- not just his base -- actually think on immigration. let's start with the biggest and best known idea, build the wall. that's just red meat for the base, right? not exactly. 60% of americans support president trump on the wall. last time i looked 60% was a majority. if that's the base, president trump is looking pretty good for 2020. and there's another trump immigration proposal that 60% of americans actually support but which the establishment dismisses as immoral, racist, fascist, etc., and that is putting a citizenship question

on the census. yes, 60% agree with that idea even if, as the poll question put it, fewer people might fill out the questionnaire. asylum claims, when the president said there's widespread bruise of the asylum -- abuse of the asylum rules, the democrats and establishment said that's racist. he's just riling up his base. is he? well, more people agreed with president trump on this one too. so who's racist now? the democrats also love blaming the president for the chaos at the border and a manufactured crisis. he says it's congress' fault for not fixing the stupid immigration laws. where are the american people on this one? well, it's close, but more people blame the democrats in congress than president trump. so here's an idea, nancy pelosi, why don't you get off your high horse, stop the sanctimonious lectures and actually help solve the problem by passing common

sense immigration reform? okay, now let's look at who's really pandering to their base instead of reflecting the mainstream view. remember this in the first democratic presidential debate? >> raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented imgrants. immigrants. [cheers and applause] steve: free health care for illegal immigrants. who supports that? well, turns out 38%, and 59% of americans oppose it, even in deep blue california, a majority oppose this. so much for red meat for red states. what about a abolishing i.c.e.? another idea being pushed by the progressive democrats. just 25% of americans agree and a majority disagree. in fact, 51% of americans supported the recent i.c.e. raids while 35% opposed them.

okay then, let's look at open borders. many commentators, including on the left and the never trump right, have said that democrats -- although they reject the label -- are now effectively for open borders if you look at the practical impact of their policies. so when president trump slams the democrats as being for open borders, is he just riling up his base? well, no, it turn it is out he's speaking for america. here are the numbers. all right. deportations then, the democrats and the establishment were totally up in arms the other week, it's immoral, it's evil, americans don't want people deported, it's not who we are. really? let's check the facts. a quarter of americans want all illegal immigrants deported regardless of whether they've committed another crime as well. and 45% want illegal immigrants who have committedded another serious crime to be deported. and look how many support the no deportation position.

1%. literally, 1%. yes, we can confirm that when it comes to immigration, democrats really are the party of the 1%. and so as we have shown you tonight with data, with facts -- not opinion -- on immigration it looks suspiciously as if it's the democrats who are the ones pandering to their base while president trump is speaking for america. for the majority of americans. all right. tell me what you think@the steve hilton x, and now let's see what our guests for the night think. fox news contributor sara carter and the founder of turning point usa, host of the charlie kirk show on apple podcast, charlie kirk. all right, always great fun when you two are around. who wants to start? >> i don't mind starting here. you brought up some very significant facts. i have other facts -- steve: do you have alternative facts? >> not alternative facts, i've got facts to add to your

argument. look, we have an increase of 169% in unaccompanied minors the last eight years. over the last five years, there's been an increase of 620% in family units. this is when the cartels and human traffickers figured out there was a loophole in our system with the flores agreement, right? and we also have right now a 1700% increase in claims over the last -- steve: an amazing number. >> it used to be 1 out of every 100 people applied for asylum, right? now it's like 1-2 out of every 10. so this is really incredible, and this is what we're up against as a nation. not only does it affect us, and i've said this before, steve, but it affects the people that are being trafficked into this country and brutalized as they come on this journey. i've seen this with my own eyes, and other journalists have seen this and ngos working if the area and especially our border patrol agents --

steve: we've got tom homan coming up. what's interesting about that, sara painted a picture of a genuine crisis that's just growing because of the migration flows. president trump's trying to take action to deal with that, action which the majority supports, and yet he's being demonized as being racist. >> let's not forget also this week there was a massive victory at the supreme court that freed up funds to allow the wall to be built, and the president had to fight at every turn to do what the majority of the american people support. remember when the president declared a national emergency over christmas and new year's, and the democrats said this is a manufactured crisis? and now all of a sudden there's not a disagreement there's a crisis, they just say he's getting in the way of solving the crisis they want to solve. president trump's pandering to his base, that's super important, steve the, the base is the majority of the american people x they're former democrats. the reason this is even controversial is president trump has forever changed american politics. he took the hard working

democrat base away from the democrats, and now their new base is non-citizens. the base of the democrat party is non-citizens and coastal elites that live in manhattan and malibu that want to pander to others because they feel -- steve: speaking of coastal, i'm not sure where joss heed don lives, hollywood producer and director. look at this twice, this is from the other week. we have a racist, fascist president who's using armed thugs in law enforcement and illegal mill saws -- militias, and he'll take the 2020 election by armed force and blatant the telephonous criminality. we're the country with concentration camps, so happy 4th. >> this is unbelievable, and i know most americans, i hope, are smart enough to not believe this exists at all. first of all, it's disgusting to use the word concentration camps to describe --

steve: yes. >> let me see what i -- tell you what i see every time i go to border, every year i see border patrol agents that take young children who have never seen a doctor, who are after this long journey are sick and they come across to see the first doctor in their life at a u.s. hospital and are treated with the utmost respect, them and their families. sure, we have a serious crisis and a problem now because we have an in flow of people that we just cannot stop. it has not stopped. but this is the first time, and when you hear lies like this and it comes out, you know, it's a public use, democrats are pushing this on the public, we are actually experiencing -- steve: we've got plenty more to get into. we are boeing going to briefly interrupt because i just want to make a quick note of something that you'll be interested in and we feel positive about. congratulations to boris johnson, the u.k.'s new prime minister. i know boris, if this is great news for britain and everyone who believes in democracy.

he is absolutely determined to deliver on that brexit vote from three years ago, still hasn't happened, and he's put in place a fantastic team to do it. finally, some energy and purpose and direction. boris is a positive pop list, and we should all wish him well. all right, coming up, as i mentioned, former acting i.c.e. director tom homan joins our discussion on immigration. don't go away. i had a heart problem. i was told to begin my aspirin regimen, and i just didn't listen. until i almost lost my life.

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♪ ♪ steve: welcome back to our immigration policy special: let's focus now on the crisis at the border. former acting i.c.e. director thomas homan joins the conversation. tom, great to see you. i just wanted to, first of all, ask you what you think the current state of play is. it seems to me that with president trump's actions with tariffs and mexico, you think they're improving. is that how you see it? >> yeah. there's been a lot of improvement, you know? the president, he's got to deal with mexico that no other president has been able to achieve, and mexico's really stepping up their efforts in mexico both on their southern border, the national guard and attacking the criminal cartels that are managing these large groups. and plus this agreement with guatemala he just achieved in the week. they're game-changers. so the numbers will decrease. they're still beyond -- they're still in a crisis stage, but the numbers are headed in the right

direction thanks to the president and his hard work. no thanks to congress. steve: yeah. exactly. as i said, we've talked about that many times. you've got your very simple list of what congress can do, i actually put that to ken cucinelli, who we're going to be hearing from later. something i want to bring up particularly in light of your testimony with that committee hearing in congress the other week where you were treated so appallingly, and we all think you did a fantastic job standing up for the border patrol and your former colleagues at i.c.e. i want to play you something that i saw the other week on msnbc because i was so shocked by it, and i thought this can't be right, and i want to get your reactions. jeremy bash, who was the chief of staff at the cia and the defense department under president obama, listen to what he said about i.c.e. and the raids that were at that time being discussed. >> i think we should just think about this afternoon a father

and a mother who drop their child off at day kay, then i.c.e -- daycare, i.c.e. sweeps in and arrests the kid, and the father and mother show up and the kid has disappeared. or maybe even worse, if the father or mother are disappeared, and nobody picks that child up at daycare, and that child is basically rendered an orphan by the united states. steve: ridiculous there. so terrible. tom, what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's ridiculous, yeah. he ought to not comment on immigration enforcement because he obviously knows nothing. i.c.e. doesn't arrest children. i.c.e. doesn't arrest anybody under the age of 18. they will arrest a gang member that is 16 and 17 who as a contract -- has a criminal history and is a threat to community, but there's communication with the parents. we don't go to nursery schools, grade schools, high schools. that's not what we do. and each when we go to a home, let's say we arrest a father.

let's say he's a criminal illegal alien, he's got a criminal history beyond being here illegally, and let's say he's home with the child. i.c.e. would do everything to make sure that the mother comes home or another relative, we contact the ore relatives. -- other relatives. we will never, ever leave a child alone. that doesn't happen. we never arrest a child by themself. that is just ridiculous that he would even come up with, you know, that idea. i.c.e. doesn't do that, it's not possible. steve: yeah. i mean, you've been -- and offensive too. i mean, charlie, the way that they go around smearing people who are doing a really tough job in increasingly tough --? >> that's right. i mean, i think they go even further than they have to. these people broke the law to come into our country. it's an insult to legal immigrants like yourself, steve, that come here the correct way and that had to apply to come to the country and produce value and to actually provide reports of why you're in the country and

what you're doing. look, i.c.e. has done an unbelievable job going after one particular scum of the everett, the child sex traffickers. we don't talk about this enough, that i.c.e. is the number one agency that goes after child sex traffickers in america. they've arrested hundreds of them just this year, and there's been legislation pushed through congress that has allowed i.c.e. to actually use different techniques and tactics to go after these vims. and the -- these individuals. the focus by democrats to try to abolish the agency is abhorrent. >> if you look at it, jeremy bash, i mean, it's so incredible because this is the man who worked under obama, right? cia, dod. first of all, i would like to know if they gave him a poly, because what he's saying is such a lie, he would fail immediately. secondly, look, he was working under president obama. president obama himself said it was a crisis. president obama built the facility, he actually built the facilities and had to to keep all the kids when the unaccompanied minors were

flowing there. >> i want to make one really quick point, the hatred for i.c.e. is turning into danger. there was an attack in the last two weeks that got basically no coverage. the hatred for our law enforcement officers has to stop. steve: tom, let's get you back in. what would you prioritize particularly about the border aspect of this going forward? what are the immediate issues you see? >> well, president trump needs to keep doing what he's doing. i'm very pessimistic congress is going to fix this. you talked at the beginning of the show, i want to be clear. the president of the united states is the only one taking care of the border. he has made unprecedented resources at the border. he's made a series of executive actions. he declare ared a national emergency, he wrote immigration legislation. he got agreement out of guatemala and mexico. he's the only one addressing the border. meanwhile, democratic leadership is sitting there not doing a thing, and they're the reason there's such a humanitarian crisis to begin with. they've ignored the calls for

help to get these kids into hhs facilities quicker. congress refused to help fashion it. so congress is -- let me say this and be clear -- they don't care about fixing the border. they want this to be an issue on 2020. they've resisted this president. they hate this president so much they're beginning their duty to secure -- forgetting about their duty to protect americans and protect our sovereignty because they want president trump to fail on his number one promise to the american people to secure his border. this is politics at its worst. they hate this president more than they love their country, and they're proving it every day by not closing the loopholes we've told them for two years to close. we wouldn't have a surge right now. there would have nebraska been zero tolerance, there never would have been family separation. they would have closed the loopholes two years ago, but they refused to do it because they're resisting this president. it's politics, all politics. steve: well said, tom. and they're the ones that

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♪ ♪ steve: welcome back, everyone. charlie kirk has just introduced the son kept of philosophical calisthenics. [laughter] earlier i had the chance to talk to acting director of citizenship services, ken cucinelli. take a look. so it seems to me that the of all the people involved in trying to deal with this situation, you've got the most crucial role because, of course, the immediate focus is on the brave agents doing the best they can in impossible circumstances. you're responsible for the underlying structures and the operation of this immigration system that everyone agrees has been broken for decades. now, i saw you the other day

saying we can fix it with one piece of paper. [laughter] >> yes. steve: tell us -- >> so what i was referring to is i can fit three asylum loophole changes, two of which the obama administration also sought -- on one piece of paper. it's called the flores family -- allows us to detain families together. we all agree we want to keep families together. the second is -- steve: longer than, is it 20 days? >> 20 days, yes, which is just unrealistic -- steve: right now a family claims asylum, you can keep them while you're figuring out their claim -- >> right, for 20 days. steve: in other words, you have to decide yes or no within 20 days or what? >> right. yeah, the system is just not designed for that. then we can't keep them in detention. steve: then what happens? >> they get a court date. steve: which is -- >> whenever it is, and some show and some don't. just as you might imagine.

steve: so you say let's keep the families together while, up to -- >> while that process is going on. and realize this is the same position the obama administration -- steve: but just to be clear, is that literally just removing the 20 days limit? >> it puts a generally-phrased limit like a reasonable period of time on there. the idea is that this be some kind of undeft thing, we're still moving as quickly as we can -- steve: okay. on that flores point, just to be clear again, is that something only congress can do? >> yes, basically, because we've got a court ruling. so you need legislation to deal with it. steve: got it. >> this happened in 2015. as i said, the obama administration opposed it happening. they had the same position the trump administration has on this much like the second item on that sheet of paper which is related to the trafficking or alleged trafficking of children. steve: yeah. >> and there is a difference between children in, say, mexico and then in the rest of the

world. and we want to eliminate that difference. again, just as the obama administration did. it just takes a very shortchange to our asylum laws, and those two changes alone would make an enormous difference. but i can fit even a third one -- steve: can i just make sure i've got the second one? what's the situation now? >> so we can quickly, once we screen a child from mexico, for instance, to determine and make sure they're not a trafficked child -- steve: so this is a child that shows up on their own or with someone else? >> yes. steve: on their own. >> yes. steve: right. >> now, generally in the media you've seen a lot of the use of the term uac, unaccompanied child. but that seems to be applied to almost every child whether they're technically unaccompanied or not, and if they have parents in the united states and they're available to those kids, they're not an unaccompanied child. in that situation the federal government is essentially funding the last leg in a human

trafficking chain. and that is not what the federal government ought to be doing. and, again, this is an area where if you just look at it on its own, i think republicans, democrats, libertarians, vegetarians would all agree we want to be dealing with these children as quickly as we can. now, a lot of what that means is repatriating them back to their home country. but right now we have built this messy maze of a process, and we want to fix that just as the obama administration wanted to fix that. steve: and you had a third point. >> yeah. the third point, still on one piece of paper, is raising the initial what's called credible fear standard. there are two credible fear reviews done for people in that pipeline, and this is really clogging the system. and the first one has a very, very low standard, so low that over 75% of people are getting through that -- steve: this is, again, just to be really practical about it, this is an individual family

group, they show up, and are they presenting at the official entry point? >> no -- steve: saying i claim asylum? >> not necessarily at all. and that's part of our challenge. these are not just people coming to point of entry. the president tried to deal with those people last year, and one judge put a national injunction on his ability to do that. finish. steve: you yourself, the president and the administration want america to be a place where we give people who are really being persecuted asylum -- >> well, that's right. but asylum is, of course, about safety, not convenience. and it is being used as for forum shopping by a lot of illegitimate asylum claims, and we're taking steps to address that. steve: they're claiming asylum but really they're just -- they come to america because -- >> sure. we have a legal process for which -- steve: that's the legal immigration process. which, by the way, let's just remind our audience the administration has just

published a proposal for the legal immigration, to make that, to improve that. >> we're doing a lot of things to improve the efficiency of the legal processes whether it's worker visas, whether it's naturalization. and in the last fiscal year, this administration naturalized over three-quarters of a million people, more people than the previous four or five years befores it s and we're going to come in around those numbers again -- steve: by the way, our audience will know, i'm going to be one of them. [laughter] full disclosure. >> good luck. steve: i'm going to be coming before your -- >> well, and if you go through that process, you'll find it's one of the most thorough oaths you will ever hear. steve: last question. you recently published some changes, a proposal to change the place where you could -- >> the recent asylum regulation, jointly issued by homeland security and the department of justice. and what it says is that people coming through our southern

border, to claim asylum in the united states, they must have sought asylum in a country they passed through. obviously, this wouldn't apply to people from mexico. but from countries beyond mexico, it would apply. and they have to demonstrate that they applied at either the first mace they came to or one of the places through which they came and were rejected before they can enter the american asylum process. and the key here is that asylum on an international basis is about safety. steve: yes. >> not convenience or forum shopping. and we have a lot of people trying to use and overwhelm our asylum system to get into the country, and then they disappear into the interior. steve: exactly. it just reminds me, it just seems so reasonable if you're in fear in your own country, that x country is, it should be fine if it really is about that. >> absolutely. yes. steve: you know, i've previously worked in government in the

u.k., and in the e.u.; that's the way they do it there. the first country you come to, that's where you're expected to claim asylum. you can't just go wandering around look for the one -- >> right. i feel irish today or i feel british today. exactly. and we're, essentially, particularly across the southern border, moving that direction. and in the last ten years, asylum claims have quadrupled. steve: i said it was the last question, i do have one more because it touches on so many of these. the backlog that you inherited -- >> over 31,000. steve: well, i heard this number 900,000 -- >> we're approaching 900,000 in the immigration courts. steve: right. >> so the immigration judges, of which there still aren't even 500, has a backlog of about closing in on 900,000 cases. you do the mast, that's about 2,000 cases per judge. that's a lot. steve: that's not just asylum. >> it is not.

there's a big number in there that are asylum, hundreds of thousands. and then we have 325,000 or so case backlog in uscis of just asylum. so, and we're struggling -- we adopted one of the methods of operation they used in the clinton administration when they had a spike in numbers, and that is last-in, first-out, lifo. finish so people who arrive at the border today get dealt with first because we want to process them back out for the ones who are going out as quickly as possible. steve: so they don't add to backlog. >> exactly. steve: well, i can see you're on top of all the detail. good luck to you. >> thank you. steve: i can see that's very much the plank. ken cucinelli, thank you so much. >> good to be with you, steve. steve steve next up, the establishment says we should just hand over more aid to central america. is that right? one of america's top aid experts

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♪ ♪ steve: welcome back, everyone. we're back with sara and charlie. we have another aspect of the immigration debate to bring you, a huge part of the immigration crisis is the flow of people trying to escape the crime and corruption in failed states like honduras, el salvador, guatemala. there's an establishment consensus on what to do about that, give them more aid. is that really the answer? i'm joined now by highly acclaimed economist william easterly. professor, good to see you. >> good to see you. steve: i'm going to put the question to you very directly. do you think giving increasing aid to those countries will help deal with this problem that is manifesting itself in these immigration flows on our southern border. >> well, there's been a lot of magical thinking about this problem just like a lot of previous magical thinking in the

history of aid. the kind of number one law of aid is if a problem is so easy to fix, then it probably would have been fixed already. if it's so easy for aid to bring peace and prosperity, then why don't we have everywhere peace and prosperity? [laughter] i've been in this business for 35 years, and i've seen a lot of these big promises go unanswered and broken. so i'm sorry i can't be more hopeful about that. steve: so if giving more money won't solve these problems, what kinds of things -- i mean, do you think -- what kinds of ideas should we be looking at? address the root causes of this problem. >> well, ironically, one of the most effective ways to alleviate poverty is by migration. the migrants are doing a much better job of alleviating their own poverty and escaping violence than we are doing with our aid programs. the aid to el salvador and

guatemala is only about a half a percent of the size of the economy. that's a very effective way to alleviate policy, and the my grants are doing it themselves to get to boarder and get good jobs in a free country. steve: but i think we could all agree about that, you know with, no one's questioning that, but the question in terms of, well, how do the we improve conditions in those countries so they don't feel they need to leave in order to have a decent life? the corruption in particular, the structural questions in those countries, how do we get that or is your argument, well, aid doesn't work, and we're just going to have to let them figure it out themselves? >> most of the development successes around the world has been home grown, and actually, contrary to what some of the viewers might think, these countries are not basket cases. they've increased their income, their average incomes by 50% over the last three decades.

these economies are growing, and they do have relatively favorable conditions for free markets to operate in and alleviate poverty except for the violence. the violence is the one problem that's been so intractable to solve, and that probably reflects the history of civil war and the drug trade and the drug war, some, of course, of which the u.s. is responsible for in the past. these are the more intractable problems that are not easy to solve, frankly. steve: all right. thank you, professor, for your perspective. appreciate that. good to see you. >> my pleasure. steve: so, sara, you've reported on this for many years. you tell us, i mean, what -- in those countries, okay, prosperity and the economic issue, but the crime, the violence is driving people away. >> there's -- let me just set the record straight here. i do travel a lot, frequently. mexico, actually, is probably the most violent of the countries that i've traveled in particularly in the border towns. yes. in guatemala it is not as

violent as -- there is violence. there's violence in chicago, there's violence in baltimore. do we see people fleeing the united states and trying to head over to japan for citizenship because they can't live in chicago anymore? i know, it is, because people have to think about this honestly. when i was in guatemala just recently, i was there in october and then just a few months ago, one of the things that kept coming across is, look, we don't want handouts at least from this government. what we want is to work with the united states, to work with our partners on more investment to bring jobs to our country to keep the people here. we do need to work on corruption, they said. people are making money on both sides of the border. when you have corrupt cartels that have been allowed to amass hundreds of billions of dollars and resources that outresource our own intelligence and law enforcement agencies, is and they have people in their pockets, we have to ask ourselves how did we and them allow this to happen, and what can we to stop this. steve and it sounds like just throwing more money at it could

make the problem worse. >> foreign aid has been one of the biggest disasters over the last 30 years. it's basically a dictator expense account. [laughter] now, in guatemala and nicaragua it's obviously a little different, but not really. we happen to give the elite ruling class, a water probable, you look into it, it's a crony handout for the family members of the ruling class, for the well-connected political elite. we know here domestically does welfare work here in the united states? no. if you have hundreds of millions of dollars going to these countries, they're less incentivized to get their house in order -- steve: especially the leadership, because they're benefiting. >> of course. it doesn't put the political pressure on the ruling class that it needed for the reform to actually improve. steve: good. i think -- complicated topic, i think we did a pretty good job. lots more though to discuss. coming up, president trump is replacing a key member of his administration. details on that after the break. ♪ ♪

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steve: so a significant shake-up in the trump administration today the, the president tweeting: i am pleased to announce that highly respected congressman john rat live of texas will be nominated by me to be director of national as well as.

dan coats, the current director, will be leaving office on august the 15th. i would like to thank dan for his great service to our country. the acting director will be named shortly. before we get into that, i just want to say one thing to follow up for our discussion on aid, great conversation here with charlie and sara on some of the abuses of the aid system we've seen in afghanistan a particularly, and there's a report if you look it up, there's amazing details of what your money pays for in afghanistan. all right, let's get to this dan coats story. sara, what do you make of it? >> look, for a long time the intelligence community, the cia included and especially dan coats and others, have pushed against anybody in the public office, right? whether it's the president or congress, you know, learning the whole truth, getting it out there to public. this is really important. president trump did something no other president has done, he pushed up against the intelligence community, said i'm not going to take it anymore. butted heads on russia and iran and, obviously, or this is time

for dan coats to step down and let somebody else take the helm and move forward. the prime minister has done a right thing here -- president has done the right thing, and i think nominating ratcliffe was the right move. >> he has been very loyal to president. we've now learned people at the highest levels, with the highest level of security clearances have undercut in the president every single turn, and i'm pleased that someone that we know without a shadow of the doubt is going to have the president's back. it should go without mention, but what sara has uncovered in particular in the last two years is from clapper to brennan, i'm not going to involve coats completely, but he's definitely in that community of high-level individuals. steve: you were going to say deep state, weren't you? you just held back. [laughter] >> they're not only deep state, but they're -- steve: good news, i think, is the verdict from around the table. all right, coming up, it's been great to focus on one topic tonight, but we can't leave out our 2020 update. it's too much fun. democratic presidential

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the china story, now it is defining him. you are seeing mean stream -- maimainstream press pick it up. >> i think kamala harris will bring it up. >> china, really? >> why not. >> they kept raising threshold who gets to participate. from 1% to 0%, which is most of them. >> i love that. >> they get desperate. kirsten gillibrand goings out with with wild attack, saying. democratic presidential contenders don't want women to work, they oppose women in the work blaceworkplace, really agge kind of crazy. >> it will only be turned up biden, polls pretty well, that

means that the attacks will intensify. but it is stacked up. i call this marxist circus, have you whole clown show, they are competing who could be closer to carl marks. marx . >> that is right. >> we get larry david. i just, do you think we'll get more his pandering. >> they come out and talk in -- >> cory booker was upset he, one of them was upset they were not talking spanish or first, i don't care if you speak spanish or not i just want to know what you are saying. >> thank you very much.

>> join us next sunday, when next revolution will be televised . mark: i am mark levin this is "life, liberty and levin," we have two former attorneys general, pleasure. 75 attorney general of united states under ronald reagan, 81 under george w. bush. >> thank you. mark: mueller hearings and investigation. whatever. i want to start at the