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for comment but he's too busy looking at ratings and sobbing because they can't get a million viewers in a single hour of any show. sorry, jeff. that's all the time we have left. thank you for making is number one. laura ingraham is here. let not your heart be troubled. how are you? >> laura: i'm great. we just got finished watching you on one screen and trying to watch the debate on the other. >> sean: i wouldn't have wasted my time. >> laura: i have to say this was interesting. it was actually quite substantive. when the democrats are struggling to answer trump on trade, that's really good for america. i'm happy if they're going to be fighting over blue-collar workers. that's what the election should be about. the forgotten man and woman. if that's where the debate is, that's an excellent place for this country to be. >> sean: how about they start in l.a. and san francisco and detroit where they are, baltimore? we've had decades of democratic
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rule and we have nothing but abject failure. poverty, misery. >> laura: we are going to tonight expose how the left of the party, the more popular sanders and warren were really exposed by the more centrist, moderate people with business experience like john delaney of maryland and tim ryan of ohio. very interesting to see what happened when they were back against the wall, fascinating. handy day, you had a great show tonight. take care. i am laura ingraham and this is the ingraham angle from washington. we are here with the first fox reaction to the second 2020 democratic debate. we will take you through the highlights, the ox, the lights. rudy giuliani will be here with reaction. we have an all-star cast. don't miss a minute. we have mike huckabee. he knows about blue-collar politics, mark penn who knows a lot about pulling.
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mercedes schlapp is here and she's here exclusively with the trump campaign's first official response to tonight's democrat debate. we couldn't let the night go without our body language expert telling us what that candidates did not say. very fast any. first, we go live to detroit where shannon bream, host of "fox news @ night," is here with the on the ground reaction to this standout moment from tonight's debate. what are you hearing? >> shannon: you know we saw tonight it was getting a lot of steam, the growing division between the wings of the party. you could hear the cheering for the two different sides, the more progressive, the others here on the stage were urging come back from the cliff. you're going too far to the left and were going to lose this reelection to president trump. one of the strong this morning's from democrat can congressman tim ryan. he is said over and over again with delaney and hickenlooper,
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we've got to pull back from the edge. here's how he spelled it out to those who want to go full left. >> in this discussion already we've talked about taking private health insurance away from union members in the industrial midwest. we've talked about decriminalizing the border, and we've talked about getting free health care to undocumented workers when so many americans are struggling to pay for their health care. i quite frankly don't think that's an agenda that we can move forward on an win. >> shannon: a lot of pushback from some of them are leftist candidates saying listen, we've got to dream big. john delaney called it fairy tale politics and getting wishes. i think they can't possibly actually delivered to the american people. someone who is not a politician, marianne williamson, a lot of people think she's a special, odd candidate because she isn't one of the politicos. she tonight called them out when they started talking about getting money out of politics. she called him on it and she got huge applause from this audience. here's what she said her fellow candidates.
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>> for politicians, including my fellow candidates, who themselves have taken tens of thousands and in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars from the same corporate donors to think they now have the moral authority to say we're going to take them on, i don't think the democratic party should be surprised that so many americans believe yada yada yada. it's time for us to start over with people who have not taken donations. >> shannon: okay, and again, the candidate getting attention tonight, pete buttigieg, south bend mayor, face a lot of trouble regarding the police force in the recent shooting by a white officer of an african-american man who was killed there in south bend. he's polling next to zero among potential african-american voters. he was asked about the issue of race tonight and here's how he addressed it. >> systemic racism has touched every part of american life. housing, health, home ownership. you walk into an emergency room and you are black, your reports of pain will be taken less seriously. if you apply for a job and you are black, you're less likely to
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be called just because of the name on the resume. >> shannon: you know, he's also talked about the idea of racism being peppered all through our law enforcement agencies and is gotten a lot of backlash from the police and others who stand on that thin blue line. today he trying to they listen, i haven't been perfect but i'm trying to work on it. there are things i can do as president. elect me and i'll do it. a roller coaster here tonight. a lot of people looking forward to tomorrow night when they think the big guns are going to be out for plenty of fireworks tonight as well. >> laura: thank you so much. we are going to be checking back in the spin room later on in the broadcast. we have an all-star lineup tonight. we have rudy giuliani, president trump's attorney. we've got mike huckabee, 2016 presidential candidate, fox news contributor. we have mark penn, mcgrath polster, former clinton advisor. sara carter, fox news contributor and writer. so many great topics. to you rudy, did any democrat
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intimates debate emerge in your mind as a viable challenger to trump? take your representation of the president out of it for a moment, just as an observer. >> what i really felt the take away from tonight's debate was, sanders and warren defined themselves as very, very radical, fiscally irresponsible left-wingers. i thought the attempt of the moderates to kind of give them a little room to move a little toward the middle -- if you just add up, let's take medicare for all. right now we spend half a trillion dollars on medicare for 18% of the population. multiply that by five, which is the entire population, it is $2.5 trillion a year. that would bankrupt us. it would also lead to the closing of about one-third of
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our hospitals because medicare doesn't support hospitals. private insurance does. one-third of our hospitals will go down. we would have very poor coverage. in another not even paying for their free tuition which would probably cost another 2 trillion. would have nothing left for defense or anything else the government does and thus we move the tax rate to 90%. it's insane. so if one of them gets the nomination, i preserve tonight's debate and i played against them and say would you like to have a bankrupt country? >> laura: i want to get to something else because rudy just mentioned a really important point. i think it dominated the entire debate. warren and bernie were kind of put off to the leftist corner and people were slightly more moderate, more will real-world extremes come over and over kept exposing them. i don't know if cnn planned it this way but that's how it went
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down. this was warren and bernie doubling down, basically throwing open our borders and dangling a bunch of free beast up for the people crossing the border. watch. >> would you decriminalize illegal border crossings? >> yes. the point is not about criminalization. that's given donald trump the tool. speak of her mother and her child walked thousands of milesa dangerous path, in my view, they are not criminals. >> laura: sara carter. this is donald trump's issue. clearly we have a crisis of the border, even with apprehensions down. still unbelievably high number of people coming into our country. this is not where most americans are. >> no, they are completely off base. most americans are not on board with this. they don't want to see it decriminalize. people coming into our country, what's the option? if elizabeth warren and she wants to decriminalize it, if that happens, what's the option? open the borders for everyone? what about the people who come
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in here legally and what about those people who are affected by the drug cartels and the human traffickers that are bringing them into this country? i agree with delaney and others and i think this is why they were so ostracized. we see sanders and elizabeth warren being pushed aside. i almost think it was a tragedy by the rest of the team to say this is fantasyland. if we move forward with these kinds of issues that they are talking about, medicare for all, open borders for everyone, we're going to lose. we're going to lose. they are right about that. they will lose. >> laura: i want to dovetail over from what sarah said. no, i will go to governor huckabee first. this is where john delaney, in the 90s, started a couple really successful companies, health care companies. super smart guy. he had just about enough of the pie-in-the-sky arguments from the far left of the party. let's watch. >> the data is clear. medicare does not cover the
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health of posterior -- health care. private insurance covers 100%. i asked rural hospital administrators if all your bills were paid at the medicare rate last year, what would happen. they all look at me and say we would close. >> laura: that was a killer moment. governor huckabee, your reaction to the businessman, former congressman hitting it out of the park. >> what in the heck is he doing on that stage with those people? it's like that photo, which one of these people doesn't belong in this lineup. it's delaney. he's not a trump fan or anything like that but he's clearly not in sync with the rest of the democratic field or the rest of the democratic party. i've got to tell you something, laura. let me go out on a limb. i think i may end up abandoning president trump this next election cycle. i'm going to stand with marianne. she captured me tonight.
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i lit a candle. i stroked a crystal. i sat back and decided to take a yoga pose and chant. i could feel the love. [laughter] it's an interesting stage. i think she's the one who stands out more than anybody else. every member where i first met her. it was at woodstock, that's where it was. >> laura: were you there? i would pay to see that. rudy, wouldn't you pay to see huck at woodstock? >> i don't think he will number this but in 2007 when we were debating, one time i went up to him and i said you better drop out because you are the only one who keeps me awake during the debate. he had the best sense of humor. that guy is unbelievable. the reality is they got cornered and delaney has no chance. he helped us a lot tonight by
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cornering them. think of the idea of letting anybody over the border who wants to come in. ms-13, the cartels, and the terrorists must've been applauding tonight because of these other people can come in, they can come in with them. we'll never know they're here and then they will go kill people in islip new york where they have killed too many peopl people. it's insane. >> laura: i am fascinated, longtime democrat pollster, you watched this tonight. the big dogs on the stage, bernie who had to be told not to shout at least once. and warren who got into a war of words with a couple of the more moderate folks. we'll get into that. your take on how this all plays in the real world, which is america. a lot of this debate doesn't actually apply to america. it's like they are running for prime minister of sweden, this would make sense, some of these concepts would make sense but in
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america they're not going to give up their guns. they are not going to give up their cars. they're not going to give up their employer-provided insurance. it's never going to happen. i am back in the real world. >> let's remember these candidates are talking to a democratic primary audience which is a totally different audience than the rest of america. i thought the moderates put on a great show and they showed some of the differences between kind of what would happen if some of these proposals really go into the general election. i think really on the state, what was happening, there's a fight for the progressive vote in the democratic party. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren have been battling out for that and elizabeth warren remarkably has been winning that fight. i think she comes out of this debate probably the winter. she consistently hit the bells of democratic primary voters. bernie sanders is continuing to fade. the moderates made a good attempt. i don't think they got a lot of
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traction out of it. i think senator klobuchar also did well, particularly on guns. this is not a debate for america. this is a debate for democratic primary voters and i think quite surprisingly warren is getting stronger and stronger. >> laura: i want to go to rudy on this because there was a moment where the phrase "republican talking points" was used as the democrats tend to do this, maybe it's just a human trait. you want to avoid a topic so you either attack the questioner or you say no, that's -- actually it's a serious question. let's watch how they deployed this. >> we should stop using... >> laura: she said we should stop using republican talking points. we had a glitch there. we will get a backup. that was and repeated by two or three others at different point. jake tapper is asking a question about, are you going to raise taxes on the middle class, really good question, most
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everyone ducked the question except they know who said no. somehow he is still posing for vogue somewhere. rudy, saying something is a republican talking point, that's like giving up. like i give up. >> if raising taxes is a republican talking point, then the entire middle closes -- middle class is going to vote republican because they don't ws raised it's not possible to do 20% of what they talked about tonight without raising taxes. it's impossible. it's a complete fiction that they presented, and i agree with mark penn that probably if you think about just the democratic doctorate, warren probably won . because of the two crazy, crazy socialists, she was the more articulate, better prepared, and if i were socialist, i would bet
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on her rather than bernie. but i want her as an opponent. my goodness. people in ohio and michigan in that part of the country that we have to win that has sensible middle-class people, they had to be frightened out of their minds listening to this. >> laura: you see people like tim ryan and even, what's his name from montana, whose name i always forget. bullock, of course. you see delaney. they could all be in trump's cabinet. on the trade question, we are going to get into it later because it happened late in the debate. the trade question, none of them can answer the trade question because trump has killed it on trade. he has done phenomenal and they know it and they are relegated saying we shouldn't do any trade deals. by the end, that's what warren was sing-along with bernie sanders. he is so -- trump has so box them in on trade, that's where they are. before we get to the trade the income it's really important. bernie sanders got into it,
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governor huckabee, with delaney on the health care issue where he extolled the virtues of socialized medicine. watch. >> 5 minutes away from here, john, is a country called canada. they guarantee health care to every man, woman, and child as a human right. they spend half of what we spent and by the way, when you end up in a hospital in canada, you come out with no bill at all. >> laura: bernie needs to check his facts because according to the canadian public policy think tank the fraser institute, over 63,000 canadians got medical care outside the country in 2017, largely due to wait times. the same group reports that in 2018 many residents had to wait an average of 20 weeks to actually get a treatment. governor, your thoughts. >> a couple points. first of all, i thought delaney made a great point when he mentioned that would bernie wants to do is not so much give people health care but take it
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away for 180 million people who currently have it. he said if we approach to social security like that and said we are going to get rid of social security and give you some other kind of deal, if they're going to take that away from you, you don't have to take something away to give people something you don't have it. that was a great point. the second observation is i think we were this close to seeing bernie look out there on the stage and just say get off my lawn. this is one angry man. he's like the great uncle, the curmudgeon, who just needs to calm down a little bit. he is so angry. number one rule that you need to be as a candidate, you've got to have some level of likability to win a general election. maybe not the primary but in the general, you have to be likable to somebody. >> laura: "sesame street," statler and waldorf, those guys yelling at people. he did get a little heated a few times tonight and we'll have
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sara carter and mark take a gander at this. watch. >> i think if we're going to force americans to make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. throw your hands up but -- >> this is not radical. this is what virtually every other country on earth does. >> welcome to you in a second. you don't know that. >> i do. i wrote the damn bill. >> you don't have to yell. >> laura: should we be worried about bernie's demeanor? >> personality. >> laura: it's kind of fun. everything is like a -- >> jackie mason. >> laura: there's no tonality change. it's all one note. >> that's right. i wrote the damn bill. everyone said that was the line of the night. bernie stole the show. he's like the uncle who comes over to dinner and everybody's worried, don't upset uncle bernie.
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he's going to go off on you. i don't really know if this is going to work for him, laura. it never really has in the past. you also need the demeanor. as a politician. stranger things have happened, and we have a huge demographic of young people, millennials and others, people are very concerned about. socialism and these ideas, these progressive ideas, have kind of seeped into the system and they looked towards bernie sanders. i don't think he should be dismissed. i actually think we have to keep an open mind and really say he could possibly be a contender. we just don't know yet. >> he could be a contender! >> laura: mark penn. i'm going to just do impersonations. >> i could've been a contender! "on the waterfront." >> "on the border." >> laura: you all know what i'm thinking. now we are getting out of hand. mark penn, in all seriousness, he's a senator from vermont.
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heath feels pretty big venues. he has a very loyal following. he does come across as a bit of a hector. we tend to like happy warriors, especially at a time when the country is doing pretty well. we have stuff we have to deal with but we are doing pretty well. the hectoring thing seems a little off. it doesn't seem all that approachable. maybe that's where the democrats are. >> that's the difference between bernie sanders who won four years ago in bernie sanders today. bernie sanders after the election was one of the most beloved people particularly among young people, regardless of whether or not people agreed with his views on socialism. they still liked him. they liked him as everybody's uncle. the polling numbers were quite remarkable. if you look in the last six months, he's been going down virtually every month because bernie sanders 2 isn't wearing very well. he's not in the technological
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age with his issues. he is repeating a similar wrap, although he's changed it a little bit to be somewhat more about diversity. he hasn't had a really much appeal over into the minority communities. and as i tell you, if sanders and warren both split the progressive vote, than actually it'll make it easier for a moderate to win. they each know that. one of them has to knock out the other, or they are both going to split the vote and they know that. >> laura: i think that he and beto should have a .-offered hoop points better. bernie does the fast point and beto does the point that doesn't really go with what he is saying. it's a big point of just a chelation. democrat voters are repeatedly saying and mark knows this, they don't really care that much of the candidate meshes with all their views. they want to beat trump. that is the golden goose they have to get. they want to beat trump.
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they will make compromises as long as it's a candidate who can beat president trump. the head-to-head polls, which i don't put much stock in, they all say they are all going to beat trump. they kind of put aside their concerns about the issues for wind ability. your thought. >> i think sanders and warren don't agree with that. they were trying to make an appeal tonight to democrats to vote for what they believe in. not on the practical theory of who can win. i think it's too early to figure that out. but i think would be unrealistic if we didn't think it's come down to four people. it's bernie, warren, biden, harris. it would be really hard for anybody else to break into that. i think those are the four we are dealing with. and i think biden probably gains tonight if he can have a decent performance tomorrow night. >> laura: i completely agree. >> he is the one that naturally people would think of as a moderate. however, biden has been running
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to pretend that he can out-socialist all of them. i don't know what joe's theory is but he would ordinarily be the one that would have won tonight, except for the way he's running in posturing himself. we will see tomorrow night. if harris wipes them out tomorrow night, the way she did the last time, then i think harris will be the one to gain. she hasn't really defined herself. >> laura: rudy, hold on. panel, you're going to stay with me. we are going to be going back to you throughout the hour. you don't want to miss it. were also going to get impersonations? the democrats continue the leftward lurch tonight and it was no doubt music to the residence years. new report saying his reelection campaign hopes to use the left most radical positions to draw away party moderates and independent voters. the question is now did the 2020 dems strengthen trump's case? 20 may live from the debate spin, fox's peter doocy.
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peter. >> one of the positions that you would be referring to, decriminalizing illegal immigration was something elizabeth warren reiterated tonight. she does support it. she was asked point-blank, do you support making it legal essentially to cross the border and she said yes. despite the fact that joe biden is the front runner in the race, just like the last debate where he was not on the stage, his name has not come up. some of the more moderate members are going after bernie sanders, really beating up on him. at one point tim ryan, the ohio congressman, who had a lot of one-liners tonight, try to tell bernie sanders that he didn't know what he was talking about with regard to union contracts in health care and bernie sanders who keeps talking about medicare fraud, looked at tim ryan and said i do know. i wrote the damn bill. bernie sanders also at one point tried to argue that these big ideas, medicare for all, green
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new deal, or things are feasible and he used the example of the republican tax cut bill. he said the democrats can't be the party that doesn't have a big idea, like the republicans have. they have one and we have a bunch. perhaps the biggest applause line of the night came when the spiritualist author marianne williamson was talking about something horrible that happened in michigan in the last couple years, the water crisis. she said she lived in grosse pointe, one of the nicer suburbs of detroit. she said the water crisis would not of happened in grosse pointe the way that it happened in flint. that got the crowd going. they stay jarring when she started talking about the presidents, what she described as a dark psychic force. laura. >> laura: yeah, peter. we are going to explore the dark psyching force later on in the hour. thank you so much for that report. let us know when you pull candidates aside. i want to come back right here in washington.
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the first official response from the trump campaign and writing me no schools of lee, mercedes schlapp, trump sr. campaign advisor. former white house director of strategic comms. are you worried about anyone tonight? >> it is quite an entertaining night. we are starting to see is the divide among democrats where you have governors saying wait a second. these policies are way too radical for america and we can't force it down her throat. they are admitting to it there are admitting, some are admitting the democrat party is going far left and that's where you're starting to see the democrat party in disarray, being chaotic. they don't really know what direction they're going in. >> laura: hickenlooper, bullock from montana. various points in time, they bashed trump. they have to. but i looked at them going gosh, if he only worked with the president on some of these issues, you could probably accomplish a lot. and tim ryan was totally up on
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trade because he's ohio. he's like, i don't want to answer on steel tariffs. they are boxed in on the working class voter. i saw that repeatedly. that's a problem for the democrats. >> no question they're making a play for the union voters. you saw trump go out and give the predebate speech. at one point i was asking myself, is he -- president trump has really honed in on helping the american worker. this is why we've seen a boom when it comes to manufacturing jobs. you've seen wages increase and its increased particularly for blue-collar workers. the president, because he's been strong on trade, strong against china being the bad actor, it benefited the american worker. the democrats, they don't even have a coherent line of where they are headed with the american worker which is i think
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troubling for them and their only solution is let's get more government involved. let's get make sure you get free health care. we can get her wages up, that's great. >> laura: one of the other things that kept saying is we need to work more with the e.u. to put pressure on china. i'm thinking what do they think the trump administration has been doing? the answer to so much of what they said tonight is, and certainly tomorrow with biden, you had eight years. these ideas are so obvious and you could have transformed economy, what, what, what, where was that? >> president trump has also made the comment of bernie has been the one against nafta and and e one against tpp. remember, we still have usmca that is stuck in congress because nancy pelosi hasn't moved it forward. you have democrats come you see more chaos, more division. not agreeing on the policies but the policies that are a out the loudest are the more radical ones.
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medicare for all is going to be tremendously costly in we know they're going to increase taxes on the middle class. >> laura: each stumbled except for beto. he's just in fantasyland. >> warren said that too. >> laura: she set overall. she dodged it. overall the cost will go up. mercedes, i want to get your reaction to cnn's latest focus group fiasco. >> how many of you are optimistic that it democrat will win in 2020? >> i think a blind optimism is how we got trump. we really needed candidates it's going to increase democratic turnout and not the candidate it's going to convince trump voters to vote for them because it's not going to happen. >> i'm usually optimistic about a lot of things but i'm afraid of this next election. >> laura: of course we find out that detroit is actually doing little bit better, michigan is doing better, a lot of it, because of trump policies, trade policies and so
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forth. >> look, i really think the democrats are trying to find their player, the person they think can win. that's what they want to focus on. their options are those that will just take america far to the left. her you have a president that's been result oriented, common sense, practical. >> laura: take the temperature down, right? the temperature has got to come down. suburban women, you do want them to turnout. i think a lot of them do like the president but the temperature can't stay hot, hot, hot all the time. >> the hypocrisy of the democrats say that they want to secure the border yet they have done nothing on the hill. >> laura: i think president trump could go into baltimore for four or five public-sector, private-sector folks and in a week come up with five policies that have worked elsewhere. just say try these. try these. i'll help you. >> he is starting with opportunity zones, investment, criminal justice reform, moving towards school choice not just allow for these broken schools. we have policies that we know are going to work.
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the question is the democrat leadership that's been ingrained in the cities, these urban cities, are they willing to try new ways instead of sticking to the status quo? >> laura: the podcast today, i would go around elijah cummings to the people, the disruptors on the ground making a difference. the president could work with them and make a huge difference. mercedes, great to see you and your new role. race and reparations were front and center tonight which one moderator used to attack trump. horace cooper and leo terrell join us next.
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>> congressman o'rourke, president trump is pursuing a strategy based in part on racial division but how do you convince primary voters that you would be the best nominated take on president trump and heal the racial divide in america? senator klobuchar, what do you say to those trump voters who prioritize the economy over the president's bigotry? >> laura: don lemon summing up how cnn handled that issue tonight. i think the other two guys, they did a fair job. interesting debate. substantive. our star-studded panel is back. rudy giuliani, mark huckabee, mark penn, sara carter. i don't think we've ever have this many people on. horace cooper and leo terrell. it looks like the jumble, the puzzle. horace, questions like that, how
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does cnn defend having lemon moderate the debate? proclaiming trump, you know, someone who traffics in racial division. that was actually a question. >> it's like what happens in the forest when no one's around people ask, is there a sound? the ratings that cnn are in such a floor state it's not clear even when they have the democrats on for a debate with one sided questions offered by mr. lemon. it's not clear that anyone is paying attention anyway. >> laura: beto o'rourke push for reparations tonight by dissing basically all of the american history that at least we know of. watch. >> the legacy of slavery, segregation, jim crow, it's alive and well in every aspect of the economy and in the country today. as president, i will sign into law a new voting rights act.
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i will sign into law sheila jackson lee's reparations bill so we can have the national conversation. >> laura: is jim crow still alive and well with black unemployment at -- black unemployment at record levels question >> it's not. "new york post," fox publication, came out and quoted the quinnipiac poll, 51% of the country said president trump as a racist. i applaud you for saying in the previous segment trump needs to lower the temperature. he said a couple years ago what if you got to lose, give me a chance. why doesn't he go to baltimore like you were suggesting. 51% of this country right now believes trump is a racist. what is that tell you? >> do you know why that is? >> let me finish. the only person who's been honest as laura ingraham because she said she needs to lower the
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temperature. >> do you know why that is? "the new york times," "washington post," all the talking heads lie about the president. they lie about the president. our organization, project 21, came out last year with a promotion, battle deals -- better deal for america and we were addressing issues like in baltimore. you know who responded? the white house did. the white house. >> is the new york -- [both speaking] >> none of the democrat leaders are willing to do it. >> laura: i think leo and horace, what i like to do and rudy, as mayor of new york during one of the most tumultuous and difficult times, tragic times in the city, you i think appointed people based on
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results and fired them if they didn't actually deliver results. to me, and i've known trump for about 20 years, that's what he does. he will get rid -- you don't give him result, he will get rid of you. if you deliver results, he thinks it's good for now. he's impatient for change. he wants change in baltimore, l.a., san francisco. that's how i see him. maybe he's rough around the edges but a lot of us are. walking on eggshells, you don't say it the right thing and you take on elijah cummings and then you're a terrible person. that's not true. he wants results for the inner-city and he thinks there are better ways. now it's up to him to offer a couple concrete ideas that could be informative. rudy. >> bravo, laura. bravo. thank you, laura. >> laura: let's get rudy on this. >> i think being called a racist now is not what it was ten, 20 years ago. i think they've demeaned it.
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i don't know what the american people even think a racist is anymore because it's used all the time. frankly, i don't worry for my friend, the president, about fall sturges. he will have plenty of opportunities over the next year to show -- first, he's not a racist. for false charges can always be dismissed and the reality is that he's done more for the african-american community, hispanic, white, everybody else, than any president in 50 years. 50 years. i think there are enough really intelligent, smart african-american voters who are tired of the crooks who have been representing them and doing nothing for them. i feasted in harlem. charlie rangel and his crowd didn't do a damn thing for harlem. they became millionaires. i think if you check, mr. cummings has become a millionaire. people suffered and were killed
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and i turned it around because they needed -- not because i'm so terrific. because i didn't know anything to these crooks and the reality is that's what's going on in inner-city baltimore. >> laura: rudy, you delivered results. >> i saved more african-american lives. >> laura: i have to ask mike huckabee. should the president go to baltimore and work with those disruptive, and i mean disruptive and a good way, groups on the grounds that are getting it done but need some extra help. >> i think it would be a terrific idea, laura. there are number of pastors and churches in that area with whom he could partner. it ain't going to be the politicians. there was a great missed opportunity tonight with bernie sanders standing there, buttigieg or somebody should have turned to him and said you know, senator , you a few years ago said baltimore was a third world country. are you a racist, sir? are you a racist? because he said the same thing about baltimore that
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president trump said in your today you called him a racist. you said the same thing, so are you a racist questioning >> laura: panel, stay there. 2020 democrats stay they are fighting for our country soul. why the hostility towards religion? ralph rejoins our panel next
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>> and amoral economic system is turned short-term profits for huge multinational corporations
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into a false god. >> on the face of cruelty and fear from a lawless president, we will choose to be the nation stands up for the human rights of everyone. >> ask yourself how somebody like donald trump ever gets within cheating distance of the oval office in the first place. >> laura: the party of tolerance did a lot of moral grandstanding tonight. democrats love to say they are fighting for the soul of the country. back with more reaction is the panel. rudy giuliani, mike huckabee, mark penn, sara carter, also joining them was ralph reed, chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. ralph, what do you make of democrats trying to claim the moral high ground all of a sudden? >> i think you've got a lot of attempt to invoke moral and spiritual language. obviously you had the new age talk of marianne williamson. some of the left-wing social gospel that mayor pete was trying to mouth.
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what's really disturbing about the modern democratic party, laura, and why i can't believe these democratic presidential candidates don't see this storm cloud on the horizon, this past week the senate confirmed brian buscher to be a district court judge and every single democratic senator voted against him and kamala harris and others, members of the senate judiciary committee on the democratic side essentially said in so many words that he was disqualified because he was a faithful roman catholic who was a member of the knights of columbus and not a single democratic presidential candidate has condemned the anticatholic bigotry. six decades ago john f. kennedy said and i quote "i do not believe that i lost my chance to be president of the united states on the day i was baptized." today in the modern
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democratic party, your disqualified from being a federal judge if you're a faithful christian. >> laura: they have a big problem with voters of faith, deeply convicted voters. sara, we were talking during the break about this. the democrats are trying to kind of steel the moral high ground from trump, saying a bunch of marriages, billy bush tapes. they are going to go back to that and say but we are going to save the climate. >> i think it's an insult for americans and mayor pete put a judge's statement about trump and how he got into office in its insult to all americans who voted for him, for those who voted for him and put them into office. they are not going to win this way. i want to say something else. they come out with the race card, they say he's a racist, they twist his words. facts are facts and i think that what makes donald trump so important as far as the american people responding to him, the
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fact that he's not afraid to call out anyone when he sees failure. in baltimore there are serious issues. there is a serious crisis. baltimore, san francisco, los angeles. new york city, some areas we are seeing it now. there's a serious crisis and the president is willing to call them out on it and that makes him in my opinion not a racist. >> laura: mark penn, it's true that urban america in many ways, my old hometown city of hartford, connecticut, suffering. st. louis. these are democrat strongholds. trump kicked off this conversation. is there some traction to begin there in unlikely places for this president? or is he just trying to say to the rest of america unless you want to end up looking like, you know, the streets of san francisco where we've got rats and human feces and homelessness. >> i think there's a lot of room for a candidate, democrat or
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republican, that really wants to bring back a modern notion of urban renewal, more charter schools rather than fewer, dealing with the gang violence and drugs that are holding people back. on the same token, american wants a uniter, not a divider. they want to see someone tackling these issues in a way that brings the country togethe together. they want both of those things at the same time. no one i think it's hitting that formula on either direction. trump has raised some legitimate issues here about what's going on in the cities but he's done it in a way that's turning off the very voters, those voters in the suburbs, who actually want the cities to become safe places again and places where minorities who are in those cities to get a good education, right, and break into the economic system and the best way possible. trump does not reach those
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voters with this message. he's turning them off. >> mike huckabee, the idea of this election being about are you better off than you were four years ago? that's usually the brown the browner. the right track, wrong tact -- that's been the barometer. he downed among suburban women. you don't like 51% of the country, the poll is wrong or right. thinking the president is racist. i know he's not. i think sara hit it out of the park. he's willing to criticize anyone who doesn't deliver results. how do you get the female voters to turn out and young people who have this drumbeat in their head morning, noon, and night, that he's the worst thing ever and you're a bad person if you vote for him. >> i think we've got to be honest and say that donald trump's bedside manner is not going to change. he 72 years old. he's president. he's a billionaire.
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he's achieved things most people never will. the likelihood that he suddenly going to find some new demeanor is simply not going to happen. what we've got to do, those of us who support them, to remind people you've got a choice between doctors. you choose a guy whose bedside manners a little gruff but he is successfully doing the surgery that saves your grandma. or you can pick a guy who's nice as can be, sits on the side of your bed, gives you a hug and hold your hand is has a prayer with you but when he goes in the surgery room, you're dying. which one do you want? i want someone who leads the country and does it effectively. if i look at employment numbers and some moral issues. ralph reed and i would agree, we don't have any illusion that the evangelicals that donald trump is one of us. on issues that matter to us, the sanctity of life, no president, not even ronald reagan has ever been as pro-life as this president. no president has ever been as defensive of israel.
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the things that matter to us, he has done them. >> laura: we talk about radical policies but some, including buttigieg, want to go further than this. watch. >> when i propose the actual structural democratic reforms that might make a difference in the electoral college, amend the constitution of necessary to clear up citizens united. have d.c. actually be a state. lee politicize the supreme court with structural reform, people look at me funny. >> laura: rudy, meaning up in the constitution basically. >> first of all, it's not going to happen. he can say that all he wants. also want to go back to something mike said because i think it's probably really the best analysis of donald trump you can have. he is who he is. it's worked out really well for this country. i think he can do and will do an even better job of expend himself but he's not going to change, and that's why we respect him.
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he cares about solving problems. he doesn't care if they are white problems, he doesn't think that way. in many ways, they are racist because they think in terms of color constantly. somebody told a joke once, my, that's of the only color donald ever cared about was green. he's a businessman. he's a businessman. he looks at inner-city baltimore the way i looked at inner-city new york. he's horrified by it. i feel that i loved the people in harlem more than charlie rangel. i change their lives. he just became a millionaire off them and did not a damn thing for them. harlem didn't change until they got a republican mayor who cared about them. i probably have the same gruff manner trump has that harlem is a lot better off now than it was when charlie rangel was running it and all of his cronies. the same thing is true of every
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american city that you just talked about, laura. i think we have to get that message across honestly with the real donald trump, not some make-believe silly person. >> laura: i think he's not going to be cowed by saying no, i'm not going to go into the cities to campaign. they are going to try to cordon those cities often not allow him to campaign. he should say i'm everybody's president. he should go to san jose, chicago. do not right off any american city. mitt romney rode off part of america. he went down in flames. trump is not that kind of guy. panel, the best conversation on television tonight. thank you so much. you heard with the candidate said but what didn't they say is -- well, she get some attention. here with me now, body language expert tonya. let's start with governor steve bullock of montana. we noticed several times he was talking with his chin up. what does that mean? >> a lot of times when people do it, it's a superior gesture,
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they tilt their head up in this direction this as i'm above you. >> laura: so he is looking down at them? like what are you talking about? >> that is kind of what the generic term is but quite often it's also posture related. if you're looking at me and i look at you like this, sometimes it's because i'm looking down on you. sometimes it's because my head is not in the right posture. my direction is in right, you know, you have to look at him in general. the entire time he's doing this he's talking the entire time his head is back. >> laura: very odd. we saw tim ryan doing a weird hand motion. pumping it up and down in a fisting that looked awfully familiar to a gesture we've seen from another politician. does it signify anything? >> the differences obama is left-handed. that's one generic difference. in general, this is kind of like i feel strong, i feel powerful. we see them trigger this from a lot of the candidates this year.
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>> laura: . bernie sanders during the constant quick point and then beto goes like this at weird points. the quick point. >> bernie is really on point when he speaks but he also seems very angry at certain times. he needs to calm his words down in his tone down because his congruency is great but his tonality seems angry. >> laura: yap. the punctuation with the staccato gestures doesn't help. tanya, thank you so much. we'll be right back with my final thoughts.
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>> part of the dark underbelly of american society. racism, bigotry, and the entire conversation we're having tonight. if you think this one candace is going to deal with this dark psyche force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid the
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democrats are going to do some very dark days. >> laura: i thought it was "star wars." i heard the music playing. the dark force. that was fun. we are going to be back here tomorrow night do it all over again. don't forget, check out my new podcast and shannon bream, the "fox news @ night" team take it live from detroit with great analysis. shannon. >> shannon: laura, thank you so much. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i'm shannon bream tonight detroit. we are live from the spin room with special coverage of the second 2020 democratic primary debate, and this is a fox news alert. two of the most left-leaning, moderators asking a question, two hours of progressive ideas. the rhetorical knives came out against senators warren and sanders, left-wing progressive ideas. warnings from the other candidates. major ideological divides on display, most notably on health care and immigration. ic

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