tv Tucker Carlson Tonight FOX News July 30, 2019 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
lower polling candidates. they dnc really upping the threshold for the next round of debates. for a lot of these folks this may be their last chance to make a case. in the meantime, most watched, most trusted, most briefly spent the evening with us. good night from detroit, i'm shannon bream. >> hannity, i'm great. just got finished watching you on one screen and trying to watch this debate on the other. >> i wouldn't have wasted my time. >> i have to say, hannity, this was interesting. it was actually quite substantive when the democrats are struggling to answer trump on trade. that's really good for america. i'm happy if they're going to be fighting over blue-collar workers. that's what the election should be about, the forgotten man and woman. if that's where the debate m is, that's an excellent place for this country too be. >> how about they start in l.a. and san francisco and detroit where they are, baltimore. why don't -- we've had decades
of democratic rule and we have nothing but abject failure. poverty, misery. >> laura: we are going to, tonight, expose the left on the party, the more popular sanders and warren were really exposed by thee more centrist moderate people with business experience like john delaney of maryland and tim ryan of ohio. very interesting to see what happened when they were backed against a wall. fascinating, and you had a great show today. i had two airboats, one with your show and the debate on the other. you take care.ta i'm laura ingraham and mrs. the ingraham angle from washington to make. we are here with the very first hx reaction to that second 2020 democrat debate. we are going to take you through all the highlights. a couple of the yuks and many of the lights. in minutes rudy giuliani will be her with reaction. an all-star cast. you're going to love it. mike huckabee, knows a little bit about blue-collar retail politics. mark penn, who knows a lot about polling, especially for
democratic k candidates, plus mercedes schlapp is here and she's here with us exclusively with the trump campaign's first official response to tonight's democrat debate. and we couldn't let the night go without our bodyht language expt telling us what the candidates did not say. very fascinating, but first, we go live to detroit where shannon bream, host of "fox news @ night" is here with the on thehegh ground reaction o the stand out moments tonight's debate. shannon, what are you hearing? speak of what we saw tonight that was getting a lot of steam again is this growing division between the wings of then party. you can hear the cheering for the two different sides, the more progressive, the other cheers that are on the stage for urging comeback from the cliff, you're going too far from the left and we are going to lose this reelection to president trump. one of the strongest warnings came from democrat congressman tim ryan. he has said over and over again tonight along with delaney and john hickenlooper, a couple of
others, we got to pull back from this edge. here's how he spelled it out to those who want to go full left. >> in this discussion operates and it was talked about private health insurance away from union members in the industrial midwest. we talked about decriminalizing theal border and we talked about giving free health care to undocumented workers when so many americans are struggling to pay for their health care. i, quite frankly, don't think that that is q an agenda that we can move forward on and win. >> shannon: so a lot of pushback from some of the more leftist candidates sing with got to dream big. john delaney called a fairy tale politics and giving wishes and things that they can't possibly actually delivered to the american people. someone who is not a politician, marion williamson, a lot of people sort of think she's a very special, odd candidate in his group because she isn't one of the politicos, but she tonight called them out whenhe i started talking what getting money out of politics, she called them on it and she got huge applause from this audience, here is what she said to her fellows candidates.
>> politicians, including my fellow candidates who themselvew have taken tens of thousands and in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars from these same corporate donors to think that they now have the moral authority to save we are going to take them on, i don't think the democratic party should be surprised that so many b americs believe yada yada yada. it is time for us to start up with people who have taking donations. >> shannon: okay, and again, another candidate getting a lot of attention or tonight, pete buttigieg, the south bend mayor who has based a lot of trouble regarding the police force and the recent shooting by white officer of an african-american man who was killed there in o south bend. his polling next to zero among potential african-american voters. he was asked about the issue of race tonight and here's how he addressed that. >> systemic racism has touched every part of american life, from housing to health, to home ownership. you walk into an emergency room and you are black, your reports of pain will be taken less seriously. if you apply for a job and you are black, you are less likely
to be called just because of the name on the resume. >> shannon: and he's also talked about the idea of racism being peppered all through our law enforcement agencies. he's gotten a lot of backlash from the police and others who stand on that thin blue line, but tonight he's trying to say, listen, i haven't been perfect at this but i'm trying to work on it and there are things that i can do as president. elect me and i'll prove it. but as you would imagine, roller coaster or r tonight, a t of people looking forward to tomorrow night when they think the big guns are going to be out but there were plenty of fireworks here in detroit tonight as well. >> laura: all right, shannon, thank you so much. we are going to be checking back in the spin room later on in the broadcast. we have come as i said, an all-star lineupeu today. rudy giuliani, president trump's attorney. mike huckabee, 2016 president of candidate, fox news contributor. mark penn, democrat posterior, former clinton advisor and sara carter, fox news contributor and writer of so many great topics on issues.
first to you, rudy. did any democrat in tonight's debate emerge in your mind as a viable challenger to trump? try to take a representation of the president out of it for a moment. just as an observer. >> so what i really thought the take away from tonight's debate was sanders and warren defined themselves as very, very radical, fiscally irresponsible left-wingers. i thought that the attempt of the moderates to kind of give them a little room to move a little towards the middle. if you just add up -- let's take medicare for all. rightar now we spend half a trillion dollars on medicare on 18% of the population. you multiply thate by five, whh is the entire population, its $2.5 trillion a year. that would bankrupt us. it would also lead to the
closing of of about one-third f our hospitals because medicare doesn't support hospitals. one-third of our hospitals would go down. we would have very poor coverage and now they're not even paying for their free tuition, which would probably cost another 2 trillion. we would have nothing left for defense or anything else the governmentve does unless we move the tax rate to about 90%. it's insane. so if one of them gets the nomination, i preserve tonight's debate and i'd play it against them and say would you like to have a bankrupt country? >> laura: it really just mentioned a really important point. i think this dominated the dash the theme dominated the entire debate wherent warren and bernie were kind of put off to the leftist corner and people who were slightly more moderate, more real world experience over and over kept exposing them. i don't know if siana planned it this way but that's how it went
down. this was warren and bernie doubling down on basically throwing open our borders and dangling a bunch of free stuff for the people crossing the border. watch. >> would you decriminalize illegal border crossings? speak with the point is not about criminalization. that has given donald trump the tool. >> if a mother and a child mwalked thousands of miles on a dangerous path, in my view, they are not criminals. >> laura: sara carter, this is donald trump's issue. clearly we have a crisis of the border even with apprehensions down. still unbelievably high number of people coming into our country, but this is not where most americans are. >> no, they are completely off base here. most americans are not on board with this. if they don't want to see this decriminalized. people come into our country, what is the option then? if elizabeth warren -- and she wants to decriminalize this. if that happens, what is then the option? just open the borders for
everyone? what about the people that come in here legally? and what about those people that are affected by the drug cartels and human traffickers that are bringing them into thisck count? you know, i agree with delaney and others and i think this is why they were so ostracized. we see sanders and elizabeth warren being pushed aside. i almost think it was a strategy by the rest of the team to sayo this is fantasy land. if we move forward with these kinds of issues that they are talking about, medicare for all. open borders for everyone. then we are going to lose, we are going to lose, and they are right about that. they will lose. >> laura: i want to dovetail from what sarah just said. i will go to mark penn -- huckabee first, then mark. this is where john delaney, who in the 90s started a couple really successful companies, health care companies. super smart guy. and he just about had enough about the pie in the sky arguments from the far left of the party. let's watch. >> the data is clear. medicare does not cover the cost
of health care. it covers 80% of the cost of health care in this country and private insurance covers 120%. i've been going around rural america and i asked were all hospital administrators one question. if all your bills were paid at the medicare rate last year, what would happen? they all look at me and say we would close. >> laura: that was just a killer moment, governor huckabee. your reaction to the businessman, former congressman getting that out of the park? >> yeah, what in the heck is he edoing on that stage with those people? it's like that photo, which one of these people doesn't belong in this lineup, and it's delaney. he is not a trump fan or anything like that, but he'sle clearly not in sync with the rest of the democratic field or the rest of the democratic party. but i've got to tell you something, laura, let me just go out on a limbb here. i think i may have been up abandoning president trump this next election cycle. i'm going to stand with
marianne. she captured me tonight. i lit a candle. i stroked it crystal. itr sit back and decided to taka yoga pose and chant because i could feel the love. this is an interesting stage. just to tell you that. so i think she's the one who stands out more than anybody else and i remember where i first met her. it was at woodstock. that's where it was. she that was the '60s, she's still there. >> laura: wouldn't you pay to see hoch at woodstock 50 years ago? i don't think there would be any amount of money i wouldn't pay. >> i don't think he will remember this but in 2007 when we were debating, one time i went up to them and i said you better not drop out because you're the only one that keeps me awake during this debate because he has the best sense of humor. that guy is unbelievable. but the reality is, they got cornered and it delaney no chance. he helped us a lot tonight by
cornering them. think of the idea of letting anybody over the border who wants to come in. ms-13, the cartels and the terrorists must've been applauding tonight. because of these other people can come in, they can come in with them. they will never know they're here and then i will go kill people in new york where they happen to have killed a few too many people. >> laura: let's get mark penn on this. mark, i'm just fascinated. longtime democrat pollster. you watch this tonight. the two big dogs on the stage were bernie, who had tota be tod not to shout at least once, and warren, who got into a war of words with a couple of the more moderate folks. we will get into that. just your take on how this all plays in the real world, which is america. i think a lot of this debate doesn't actually apply to america. it's like if. they are running for a prime minister of sweden this would make sense. some of these concepts it would make sense.
but in america they are not going to give up their guns, they're not going to give up their cars, not going to give up their employer-provided insurance. never going to happen. so i'm'm back in the real world right now, that's why i have you on the panel. speak a little member that these candidates are talking to a democratic primary audience, which is a totally different audience right now than the rest of america. look, i thought the moderates put on a great show and they showed some of the differences between kind of what would happen if some of these proposals really go into the general election, but i think that really on that stage whatas was happening as there was a fight for the progressive vote in the democratic party. bernie sanders and elizabeth warren have been battling up for that and elizabeth warren, remarkably, has been winning that fight. and i think she comes out of this debate probably a winner. she consistently get the bells of democratic primary voters. bernie sanders is continuing tos fade. if the moderates made a good g attempt.
i don't think they got a lot of traction out of it. i think senator klobuchar also did well, particularly on guns. so remember, this is not a debate for america, this is a debate for democratic primary voters and i think, quite surprisingly, warren is getting stronger and stronger. >> laura: i want to go to rudy on this because there was a moment where the phrase "republican talking points" was used as the democrats tend to do this, maybe it's just a human trait, that you want to avoid a topic so you kind of either attack the questioner where you say that's just this. it's actually a serious question. let's watch how they deployed this. >> we should stop using -- >> laura: she said we should stop using republican talking inints. we had a little glitch there. we will get w it back up. that was then repeated by two or three others at different points in this debate. so when jake tapper is asking a question about whether -- are you going to raise taxes on thea middle class, really good
question, actually. most everyone ducked the question, except beto o'rourke, who said no. still posing for vogueg somewh somewhere. so, rudy, -- but saying something is a republican talking point, that's like just giving up. that's like i give up. >> if raising taxes is a republican talking point, then the entire middle class is going to vote republican because they don't want taxes raised. and it's not possible to do 20% of what they talked about tonight without raising taxes. it's impossible. it's a complete fiction that they presented and i agree with mark penn that probably if you think about just a democratic electorate, warren probably won tonight because of the two crazy, crazy socialists, she was the more articulate, she was the betterti prepared and if i werea
socialist i'd bet on her rather than bernie. i want her as an opponent. my goodness, i mean, people in ohio and michigan and that part of the country that we have to win that has sensible middle-class people, they had to be frightened out of their minds listening to this. >> laura: when you seeg people like tim ryan and even what's his name from montana was name i always forget. but like, of course. and then delaney, they all coule probably be in trump's candidate. on the trade question, we'll get into that later. that happened late in the debate. the trade question, none of them could answer the trade question because trump has killed an entree. he's done phenomenallyuse on tre and they know it and they are relegated tohe saying we shouldt do any trade deals. by the end, that's what warren was saying along with bernie sanders, so trump has so boxed them inn on trade, that's where they are. so i want to get into this before we get to the trade thing, because that's also really important. bernie sanders got into it,
governor huckabee, with delaney on w that health care issue whee extolled the virtues of socialized medicine. watch. >> 5 minutes away from here, john, is the country. it's called canada. they guarantee health care to every man, human, and child as a human right. they spend half of what we spend and, by the way, when you end up in hospital in canada, you come out with h no bill at all. >> laura: it well, bernie needs to check n his facts becae according to the canadian public policy think tank the fraser institute, over 63,000 canadians actually got medical care outside the country in 2017. largely due to weight times. the same group reports that in 2018 many residents had to wait an average of 20 weeks to actually get a treatment. governor,at your thoughts? >> a couple of points, laura. first of all, i thought delaney made a great point when he mentioned that what bernie wants to do is not so much give people
health care, but take it away for 180 million people who currently have it. he said if we'd approached social security like that and said we are going to get rid of social security and give you some other kind of deal, if it we are going to take that away from you, you don't have to take something away to give people something we don't have it. that was a great point. the second observation is this. i think we were this close to seeing bernie look out there on that stage and just say "get off my lawn." this is one angry man. he's like that great uncle, the curmudgeon who just needs to calm down a little bit. he is so angry and number one role that you need to be as a candidate, you've got to have some level of likability to win a general election. maybe not the primary, but in the general you've got to be likable to at leastth somebody. >> laura: it's kind of like, what is it, "sesame street" ," those guys yelling at people? he did get a little heated a few times tonight. and we will have sara carter and
mark take a gander at this. watch. >> i think if we are going to force americans to make thesese radical changes, they're not going to go along -- throw your hands up. >> this is not radical. this is what virtually every other country on earth does. >> you don't know that. we will come to you in a second. >> whenme i wrote the bill. >> you don't have to yell. >> laura: should we be worried about bernie's demeanor it is a little much because he points out every word. if the personality. it's kind of fun, it's like it's an old act. everything is like -- >> jackie mason. >> there's no tonality change, it's all one note. >> i wrote the bill. if you know, everyone said tonight that was the line of the night. so bernie actually stole the show with a one line of the night. i wrote the damn bill. he's like the uncle thatve comes
says don't upset uncle bernie, he's going to go off on you. i don't really know if this is going to workra for him. it never really has in the past and you also need that demeanor. you know what i mean? as a politician. but look, stranger things have happened and we have a huge demographic of young people, millennials and others that people are very concerned about. because socialism and these ideas, these progressive ideas have kind of seeped into the system and they look towards bernie sanders and i don't think he should be dismissed. i actually think we have to keep an open mind and really say that he could possibly be a contender, we just don't know yet. >> laura: he could be a contender. mark penn. i'm literally going to quit my job and just do impersonations. >> no better contender. >> on the waterfront. >> on the border. >> laura: i'm sorry. now we are getting out of hand on this. market penn, in all seriousness, in all seriousness, he is a senator from vermont.
he feels pretty big venues. he has a very loyal following, but he does come across as a bit of a hector and we do tend to like happy warriors, especially at a time when the country is doing pretty well. stuff we have to deal with, but we are doing pretty well. so the kind of hectoring thing seems a little off. it doesn't seem all that approachable, but maybe that's why the democrats are. >> that's the difference between bernie sanders four years ago and bernie sanders w today. bernie sanders, after the election, was one of the most beloved people, particularly among ve young people regardless of whether or not people agreed with his views on socialism. they still like him. theyth liked him as everybody's uncle. and those polling numbers were really quite remarkable. but if you look in the last six months, he's been going down, virtually every month. bernie sanders 2 isn't wearing very well. you know, he's not in the
technological age with his issues. he is repeating a similar wrap, although he's changed it a little bit to be somewhat more about diversity. he hasn't had really much appeal over into the minority communities. and as i come back and tell you, if sanders and warren both split the progressive vote, then actually that will make it a lot easier for a moderate to win. they each know that. one of them has to knock out the other or they're both going to split theot vote. they know that. >> laura: i think he and beto o'rourke should have a point off. will points better? bernie does the fast point and beto does the point that wright doesn't really go with what he's saying. epic disconnect on gesticulations. rudy, i've got to get to you on this. at democrat voters are repeatedly saying -- mark knows this well -- that they don't really care that much if the candidate meshes with all their views. they want to beat trump. that's the golden goose that they have to get.t they want to beat trump. so they will make compromises as
long as it's a candidate who can beat president trump and his had to have polls, which i don't give much stock in, they all say they're going to all beat trump, but the kind of put aside their concerns aboutut the issues for winning. your thoughts? >> i think sanders and warren don't agree with that. they were trying to make an appeal tonight to democrats to vote for what they believe in and not on the practical theory of who can win. i think it's too early to figure that out, but i think would be unrealistic if we didn't think it's come down to four people. it's bernie, warren, biden, harris. it would be really hard for anybody else to break into that. so i think those of the four we are dealing with and i think that -- biden probably gains tonight ifen he can have a decet performance tomorrow night. >> laura: i completely agree. >> because he's the one that naturally people would think ofi as the moderate. however, biden has been running
to pretend that he can out-socialist all of them. so i don't know what joe's theory is, but he would ordinarily be the one that would haveve won tonight except for te way that he is running and fostering himself. we will have to see tomorrow night. if harris wipes themif out tomorrow night the way she did the last time than i think harris -- i think harris would be the one to gain because she hasn't really defined yourself. >> laura: rudy, hold on. panel, you're going to stay with me. we are going to be going back to throughout the hour so you want to miss the spirit world so you're going to get impersonations? the democrats continued the leftward lurch tonight. it was no doubt music to the president'she ears. when a report saying his reelection campaign hopes to use the left's most radical positions to draw away party moderates and independent voters. the question is now to the 2020 dams strengthen trump's case? joining the lie from the debates been moved, fox's peter doocy.
peter. >> one of the positions, laura, that you would be referring to there, decriminalizing illegal immigration was something that elizabeth warrenn reiterated tonight she does support. she was asked point blank do you support making it legal, essentially, to cross the border, she said yes. but leave -- and despite the fact that joe biden is the front runner in this race just like the last debate he was not on the stage, his name has not come up and said some of the more moderate members are going after bernie sanders, really beating up on him. at one pointre tim ryan's ohio congressman who has had a lot of one-liners tonight tried to tell bernie sanders that he didn't know what he was talking about with regard to union contracts and health care and bernie sanders, who keeps talking about medicare for all, looks at tim ryan and says i do know i wrote the damn bill. bernie sanders also at one point try to make the point -- tried to argue that these big ideas, medicare for all, green new
deal, are things that are feasible and he used the example of the republican tax cut bill. he said the democrats can't be the party that doesn't have a big idea like the republicans have. so they had one and we have a bunch. but perhaps the big line -- the biggest applause line of the night actually came when the spiritualist author marianne williamson was talking about something horrible that happened in michigan in the last couple years, the water crisis there. she said that she lived in grosse pointe, one of the nicer suburbs of detroit. she said the water crisis would not have happened the way that it happened in flint. that got the crowd going and they stay cheering when she started talk about the president, which he described as a dark psychic force. laura. >> laura: you, peter, we are going to explore the dark psychic force later on in the hour but thank you so much for that report. let us know when you pull candidates aside. i want to come back right here to washington though.
for the first official response from the trump campaign. joining me now exclusively, mercedes schlapp, trump sr. campaign advisor, former white house director of strategic comms. mercedes, are you guys worried about anyone tonight? be honest. you're trembling. >> no, it's quite an entertaining night, you have to admit, because what you're starting to see if this divide amongst democrats where you have these governors saying wait a second, these policies are way too radical for america. we can't force it down their throats. and they are admitting to it. if they are admitting, some of these candidates are admitting that the democratic party is going far left and that's where you're starting to see the democrat party in disarray, the democrat party being chaotic, where they don't really know what direction they're going in. >> laura: so john hickenlooper, bullock from montana, various points in time, they bashed from, they have to. but various points in time i listen to them and go gosh if he only worked for the president on some of these issues, you guys could probably accomplish a a l. so it's hard for them -- and then tim ryan was just totally bollix up on trade because he's
ohio and he's like i don't want to answer on steel tariffs because it's helped ohio. they are kind of boxed in on the working class voter. i saw that repeatedly and that is a problem for the democrats. it just is. >> there's no question that they're making a play for the union voters. obviously you saw trump go out and give the beginning of a predebate speech. at one point i was asking myself is trump going to run for president next? so they are trying to make a play. the problem has become that president trump has really honed in on helping the american worker. this is why we've seen a boom when it comes to manufacturing jobs. it's why you see wages increase and its increased particularly for blue-collar workers. so the president, because he has been strongro on trade, strong against china being the bad actor,t it's benefited the american worker. the democrats, they don't evenn have a coherent line of where they are headed with the american worker, which is i
think troubling for them, and their only solution is let's get more government involved, let's make sure you get free health care and you know, we can get your wages up, that's great. >> laura: one of the other things that kept saying, towards the end of the debate, we need to work more with the e.u. to put pressure on china.ur i'm thinking what are they think the trump administration hasas been doing? and the answer to so much of what they said tonight is -- and certainly tomorrow with biden is you had eight years. if these ideas are so obvious and you could have transformed our economy, where was that? >> and just a member that president trump is also made the comments of the well, bernie has been the one against nafta and the one against tpp, but remember, we stillmb have usmca, that second congress because nancy pelosi hasn't move her forward. here you have these democrats again. if you see more chaos, more division, they are not agreeing on the policies. but the policies that are the loudest in that room are the more radical ones. it's medicare for all.
that we know is going to be tremendously costly. we know they are going to increase taxes on middle class. >> laura: each of them stumbled. okay. >> warren so that too. >> laura: she said overall -- she dodged it. overalll the cost will go up. also want to get your reaction to cnn's latest focus group fiasco. >> how many of you, show of hands, are optimistic that a democrat will win in 2020? >> i think that a blind optimism is how we got trump. we really need a candidate that is going to increase democratic turnout and not a candidate that's going to convince them at convince trump voters to vote for them, because it's not going to happen. >> and usually optimistic about a lot of things but i'm really afraid of this next election. >> laura: of course we find out that detroit is actually doing a little bit better, michigan is doing better, a lot of it because of trump policies,
trade policies and so forth. >> look, i really think the democrats are trying to find their player, the person they think who can win. that's what they want to focus on. yet, their options are those that will just take america far to the left. or you have a president that's been resolved-oriented, common sense, practical. >> laura: take the temperature down, mercedes. the temperature has got to come down a little bit. suburban women. you do want them to turn, out. i think a lot of them do like the president, but the temperature can't stay hot, hot, hot. >> but warren, the hypocrisy of the democrats saying that they want to secure the border, yet they have done nothing on the hill -- >> laura: i think president trump goingn to baltimoreid with four or five public sector, private sector folks in a week come up with five policies that have workedfi elsewhere and just say try these. let's try this, i'll help you. >> and starting with opportunities, criminal justice reform. it would have to move towards school choice and not allow for these broken schools -- we have
policies that we know are going to work. the question is the democrat leadership which is been ingrained inn the cities in thee urban cities, are they willing to try new ways instead of sticking to -- >> laura: on my podcast said it, i'd go around elijah cummings to the people, the real disruptors on the ground or making a difference in places like baltimore. the president could work with them, make a huge difference. great to see you. your new role. race and reparations were front and center tonight, which one moderator of course used to attack trump. horace cooper, leota ralph join our powerhouse roundtable next.
>> congressman overall, president trump is pursuing a reelection strategy based in part on racial division. how do you convince primary voters that you would be the best nominee to take on president trump and heal the racial divide in america? senator klobuchar. what do you say to those trump voters who prioritize the economy over the president's bigotry? >> laura: don lemon summing up how cnn handled that issue tonight. i think the other two guys, tapper and basch did a pretty fair job. pretty interesting debate actually, substantive. our star-studded panel is back. rudy jay, mike huckabee, mark penn, sara carter joining them. i don't think we've ever had this many people on at once. civil rights attorney. looks like the jumble. you know the puzzle?ue horace, questions like that, how
does cnn to find having lemon this debate? just proclaiming trump, someone who traffics in racial division. that was actually a question. >> it's like what happens in a forest when no one is around people ask is there a sound? the ratings at cnn are in such a floor state, it'sn not clear, even when they have democrats on for a debate with one-sided questions offered by mr. lemon, it's not clear that anyone is paying attention anyway. >> laura: at leo, beto o'rourke pushed for reparations tonight by dipping basically all of the american history, at least that we know of. watch. >> the legacy of slavery and segregation and jim crow, suppression is alive and well in the economy and in the country. today. as president i will sign into law a new voting rights act, i
will focus on education, address health care disparities but i will also sign into law sheila jackson lee's reparations bill so that we can have a national conversation we have waited too long in this country to have. >> laura: is jim crow still alivee and well, leo, with black employment at record levels? >> no, it's not alive and well. but i want to give you some news for everyone. new york pole, if ox publicatio publication, came out and quoted the quinnipiac poll, 51% of the country said that president trump is a racist and i applaud you for saying right in the previous segment trump needs to lower the temperature. he said a couple of years ago, what you got to lose? give me a chance. why don't you go to baltimore like you are suggesting with each spell shelby steele. 51% of this country right now believe that trump is a racist. does that tell you about his messaging? >> do know why that is? >> the only person was been honest about it is laura ingraham, because she said he needs to lower the
temperature and he made an unforced error. >> do know why that is? >> tell me why 51% -- >> "the new york times," "washington post," all of the talking heads lie about the president. they lie about the president. our organization, project 21, came out last year with a promotion for a better deal for america and we were addressing issues like in d baltimore. >> comment on "the new york post." >> do know will respond? the white housew did. the white house invited us to the white house. not the cdc. not the mayor of baltimore. none of the democrat leaders were willing to do it. >> laura: i think, leo -- >> that's not a talking point. that's a reality. >> laura: what i tend to -- i like to do and rudy, as mayor of new york during one of the most tumultuous and difficult times, tragic times in the city, you, i think, appointed people basededn
results and fired them if they didn't actually deliver results. to me -- and i've known trump for about 20 years, that's what he does.'t you don't give them results, he will get rid of you. if you deliver results, he thinks, you know, thumbs up for now. but he's impatient for change. he wants change in baltimore and l.a. and san francisco, and rudy, that's how i see him. maybe he is rough around the edges, but a lot of us are, okay? you're walking on eggshells, you don't say the right thing, you take on elijah cummings and then you're a terrible person. that's not true. he wants results for the inner-city and he thinks that there are better ways. i think now it's up to him to offer a couple of concrete ideas that can be implement it. it rudy. >> bravo, laura. bravo. bravo. thank you, laura for giving trump some good advice right now. >> laura: i don't need a bravo. go ahead. >> i think being called a racist now is not what t it was ten, 20 years ago. i think they've demeaned it.
i don't know what the american people even think a racist is anymore. it's used all the time and frankly, i don't worry for my friend, the president, about false charges. he will have plenty of opportunities over the next year to show -- first, he's not a racist. false charges can always be dismissed. and the reality is that he's done more for the african-american community, hispanic, white, everybody else hithan any president in 50 year. in 50 years. so i think there are enough really intelligent, smart african-american voters who are tired of the crooks that have been representing them and doing nothing fornd them. i faced that in harlem, laura. charlie rangel and his crowd didn't do a damn thing for harlem for 30 years. they just became millionaires. i think if you check mr. cummings has become a millionaire. and their h people suffered and
were killed. and i turned it around because they needed -- not because i'm so terrific, because i didn't owe anything to these crooks. the reality is, that's what's going on in inner-city baltimore. >> laura: rudy, you delivered results. >> i saved more african-american lives -- >> laura: he is a result-oriented. i got to ask mike huckabee, should the president go to baltimore and work with those disruptive -- and i mean disruptive and a good way -- groups on the ground that are getting it done, but need some extraut help? >> i think it would be a terrific idea, laura. there are number of pastors and churches ine that area with whm he could part of. it ain't going to be the politicians. but there was a great missed opportunity tonight with bernie sanders standing there. buttigieg or somebody should have turned to him and says, "you know, senator, you wants, just a few years ago, said baltimore was a third world country. are you a racist, sir?
are you a racist? because you said the same thing about baltimore that president trump said and get today you called him a racist, but you said the same thing, so are you ayoyo racist"?io >> laura: panel, stay there. coming up on 2020 democrats say they are fighting for our country's soul. so why the hostility for religion? ralph reed joins our panel next. i have a vision correction number,
but i'm more than a number. when i'm not teaching, i'm taking steep grades and tight corners. my essilor lenses offer more than vision correction with three innovative technologies for my ultimate in vision, clarity and protection... together in a single lens: the essilor ultimate lens package so, i can do more of what i love buy new transitions with select essilor lenses. choose a second pair of qualifying clear lenses... free with purchase of frames. see more. do more. essilor ♪ >> and amoral economic system has turned short-term profits were huge multinational corporations into a false god.
>> in the face of cruelty and fear from a lawless president, we will choose to be the nation thatnt stands up for the human rights of everyone. >> ask ourselves how someoney like donald trump ever gets within cheating distance of the oval office in the firste place. >> laura: the party of tolerance did a lot of moral grandstandingf tonight. democrats love to say they are fighting for the soul of the country now, so why the disdain for religious americans? back with more reaction is our panel, rudy giuliani, mike huckabee, mark penn, sara carter. also joining them is ralph reed, chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. it ralph, what you make of the democrats trying to claim the moral high ground all of a sudden? >> well, i think you've got a lot of attempt to invoke moral and spiritual language. obviously you have the newan age talk with marianne williamson and some of the left-wing social gospel that mayor pete was trying to mount, but what's
really disturbing about the modern democratic party, laura, and what i can't believe these democratic presidential candidates don't see this storm cloud on the horizon. is this past week, the senate confirmed brian busher to be a district court judge in every singlecr democratic senator votd against him and kamala harris and other members of the senate judiciary committee on the democratic side essentially said in so many words that he was disqualified because he was a faithful roman catholic who was a member of the knights of columbus. not a single democratic presidential candidate has condemned that anti-catholic bigotry. six decades ago, john f. kennedy said, and i quote, "do not believe that i lost my chance to be president of the united states on the day i was baptized, but today in the modernba democratic party,
disqualified from being a federal judge if you are a christian. >> laura: they have a. big problem with, i think, voters of faith, deeply convicted voters. and we were talking during the break about this. the democrats are trying to steal that moral high ground. a bunch of marriages. billy bush. if they're going to go back to that but we are going to save the climate. >> but we are going to save the country. i think that's an insult to americans, first of all, and mayor pete buttigieg's statements about trump and about how we got into office and pants is an insult to all americans voted for him. for those who voted for him and put him into office -- they're not going to win this. i want to say something else. they come out with the race card, they say he's a racist. a twist his words but facts are facts and i think that what makes donald trump so important as far as the american people responding to him is the fact
that he's not afraid to call out anyone when he sees failure and baltimore, there are serious issues. if there aus serious crisis. ultima, los angeles, san francisco, there is a serious crisis and the president is willing to call him out on it and that makes them, in my opinion, not a racist. >> laura: mark penn, it is true that urban america in many ways -- my old hometown city of hartford, connecticut, suffering. st. louis. these are democrats strongholds. trump kicked off this conversation. is there some traction to be gained there in unlikely places for this president? or is he just trying to say to the rest of america "unless you want to end up looking like the streets of san francisco where we got rats and human feces and homelessness, but for me, mark penn. >> i think there's a lot of room for a candidate whether it's on the republican or democratic
side that really wants to bring back some modern notion of urban renewal, building more charter schools rather than fewer, of dealing with the gang violence and drugs that are holding people back. but on the same token, on the same token, america wants a uniter, not a divider. they want to see someone attacking these issues in a way that brings the country together and they want both of those things at the same time.e. no one is actually, i think, hitting that formula in either direction. trump has raised some legitimate issues here about what's going on in the cities, but he's done it in a way that's turning off the t very voters -- those votes in the suburbs who actually want the cities to become safe places again and places where minorities who are in those cities can get a good education, right, and break into this economic system and the best way possible and trump is not reaching those voters with this
message, he's turning them off. >> laura: mike huckabee, the idea of this election being about are you better off than you were four years ago, that's usually y the barometer and the right track wrong track numbers are trending really well for trump, but he's down among suburban women. without a doubt the race stuff -- they don't like 51% of the country if that poll is wrong or right thinking the president is racist. i know he's not. i think sarah hit it out of the park. he's going to criticize anyone who doesn't deliver results. but how do you get those women, female voters to turn out and young people who have this drum beat in their head, morning, noon, and night that he's the worst thing ever and you're a bad person if you vote for him? >> i think we got to be honest and say donald trump's bedside manner is not going to change. he's 72 years old. he's president, is a
billionaire. his achieved things that most people never will, so the likelihood that he some stomach suddenly going to define some new demeanor is simply not going to happen. what we got to do, those of us who support them, is to remind people you've got a choice between doctors. if you choose a guy who's bedside manner is a little gruff but he successfully does the surgery that saves your grandma. or you can pick a guy who is nice as can be, sits at the sight of her bed, gives you a hug, hold your hand and says a prayer with you but when he goes into the dash and when you go into the surgery room you die. so which one do you want? i want someone who leave the country and does it effectively and if i look at the employment numbers -- and if i look at some moral issues. look, ralph reed and i would agree on this. we don't have any illusion as evangelicals that donald trumpth is one of us, but on issues that matter to us, the sanctity of life, no president, not even ronald reagan, has ever been as pro-life as this president. no president has ever been as to as this president has been.
so the things that matter to us, he's done them. >> laura: we talk about radical policies, but some, including buttigieg, want to go further than this. watch. >> when i propose the actual structural democratic forms that might make a difference and electoral college, amend the constitution if necessary -- have d.c. actually be a state and depoliticize the capri supreme court what structural form, people look at me funny. >> laura: meaning up in the constitution basically. >> you can's say that all he wants. also want to go back to something mikeac said. i think it's probably really the best analysis of donald trump you can have. he is who he is. it's worked out really well forw this country. i think you can do and will do even a better job of explaining himself, but he's not going to change, and that's why we respect him.
and he cares about solving problems and he doesn't care if they are white problems, black --es he doesn't think that way. and in many ways they are racist because they think in terms of colorms constantly. color -- i mean, somebody told a joke ones, mike, that's the only color donald ever cared about was green. he's a businessman. >> exactly right. >> he was a businessman, so he looks at inner-city baltimore the way i looked atit inner-city new york and he's horrified by it. and i feel that i love the people in harlem a lot more than charlie ringel. i changed their lives. he just became a millionaire off them and did not a damn thing for them. harlem didn't change until they got a a republican mayor who cad about them. i probably had the same gruff manner that trump has. but harlem is a lot better off now than it was when charlie was running it and all of his cronies. the same thing is true of every
american city that you just talked about, laura. and i think we have to get that message across honestly with the real donald trump, not some make-believe silly person. >> laura: and i think he's not going to be cowed by saying i'm not going to go into the cities to campaign. they are going to try to t recording those cities off and not allow him to campaign. he should say i'm everybody's president. he should go back to san jose, go to chicago. do not right off any american city if you're the president. you remember met romney wrote off part of america? he went down in flames. trump is not that kind of guy. the best conversation on television tonight, thank you so much. and you've heard what the candidates said tonight. but what didn't they say is getting -- well, should get some attention. here now to analyze his body language expert tonya ryman. let's start with governor steve bullock of montana. we noticed several times he was talking with his chin up. what does that mean? >> a lot of times when people do that, that's a superior gesture.
they tilt their head up in this direction that says i'm above you. >> laura: so he's looking down at them, what are you talking about? >> that'ss kind of what the generic term is but quite often it's also posture related. if you're looking at me and i look at you like this, sometimes it's because i'm looking down ot you. sometimes it's because my head is not in the right posture. so my direction isn't right, you have to look at him inht genera. so the entire time he's doing this he's talking the entire time, his head is back. >> laura: very odd. we saw tim ryan doing a weird hand motion. pumping it up and down in a fast and it looked awfully familiar to a gesture we've seen from another politician. >> yes. >> laura: does it signify anything? >> the difference is obama is left-handed, so there is one genericft difference, but in general this is kind of like i feel strong, i feel powerful, but we see this from a lot of the candidates this year.
>> laura: l we had bernie sanders does the constant kind of quick point, which we talked about earlier. and then beto o'rourke goes like this at weird times. the quick point, very quickly, what about that? >> welcome to bring seems -- he's really on point when he speaks but he also seems very angry atpe certain times, so he needs to calm his words down in his tone down because his congruency is great, but his tonality seems angry. >> laura: of the punctuation. the punctuation with the staccato gestures doesn't help. thank you so much. we will be right back with my final thoughts. my experience with usaa
has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. >> part of the dark underbelly >> this is part of the dark underbelly of the country for the entire conversation we're having tonight, if you think it is going to deal with this dark psychic force that this president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid that
the democrats are going through some very dark days. >> laura: ik mean, i thought it was "star wars" for a minute.r i heard the music playing, the dark forest. that was fun. we're going to be back here tomorrow night, do it all over again. don't forget, o check out my new podcast, and shannon bream, the fox news at 19, they take it here come alive from detroit, with great analysis. shannon? >> shannon: laura, thank you so much good hello and welcome to "fox news @ night" come i'm shannon bream tonight in detroit. we are live from the sid room with special coverage of the second 2020 democrat primary debate, and this is a fox news alert. two out the most left-leaning, three moderators asking the questions, two hours, two plus hours of progressive ideas for the rhetorical knives came out again senatorss warren and sanders, left-wing progressive ideas, warnings from the other candidates. major ideological divides on display, most notably on health care and immigration. and with the d