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in www. --a>> rick:happybirthdai deweb!speechwearewaitingthatnewr ence "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, we are awaiting a news conference with the mayor of dayton, ohio, on the shooting there. and there is a new political backlash now as president trump is set to visit with victims and survivors in el paso, texas and in dayton tomorrow with some democrats urging him to stay away. this is "outnumbered" and on melissa francis. here today is fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. fox news contributor, lisa boothe. host of cavity on the fox business network, kennedy herself. and in the center seat, former white house press secretary, sean spicer. tough times. we are happy to have you here today. we will get right to it. vigils are still being held in el paso, texas and dayton, ohio. for some, there is little sense of national unity. 2020 democratic presidential
candidate and el paso native, beto o'rourke, treating that president trump "has no place in el paso." that sentiment echoing tech assists democratic i was moon veronica escobar said the president should not visit. >> he is not welcome here. he should not come here. but we are in morning. i would encourage the president's staff members to have him do a little self-reflection. i would encourage them to show him his own words and his actions at the rally. >> melissa: chief white house correspondent john roberts live at the white house with more. >> good afternoon to you. this is going to mark the sixth time that president trump has traveled to a community, and it will be two, in this case. to comfort people after mass shooting. we know he's going both to el paso and dayton, ohio. we do not know his move is on the ground it's likely we will
not know about what the president is doing until it is actually taking place. that of the visit, the president tried to tamp down some of the controversy surrounding statements that he has made that many people have seen as either racist or anti-immigrants. the president tweeted, "i am the least racist person. black, hispanic, and asian unemployment is the lowest in the history of the united states." el paso's republican mayor, who has quarreled with the present in the past -- most recently as this past winter -- over crime statistics in el paso says, "as the mayor of the city, it is his duty to welcome the president of the united states." listen to dee margo. >> i will ask them to support our efforts with any and all resources available. her recovery is no small task. together we will rise out of this tragedy and i'm here to ensure that we receive every state and federal resource that is available to us that we need. >> some democrats are blaming
the president's rhetoric on twitter for the shooting in texas. some of them are 2020 candidates. you mentioned beto o'rourke a second ago. on fox & friends this morning, the counselor to the president, kellyanne conway, going off on democrats who would blame president trump for the shooting. specific we singling out the two democratic presidential candidates who were raising money off of their criticism of him. listen here. >> beto o'rourke, from the "vanity fair" magazine cover to the project candidacy, out there screaming and cursing about president trump. that doesn't heal a single soul. that doesn't help prevent another mass shooting. elizabeth warren yesterday was raising money for senate candidates doug jones and tina smith. she's raising money in an email appeal talking about the mass shooting. this is a disgrace, and if nobody else is going to talk about it, i will talk about it. >> the president is contemplating some executive action legislative action, mix of the two, moving ahead on
keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. one is the doj has been directed by the president to develop tools to better identify people who might be at risk of causing violence. the doj has also been tasked to petition congress to enact the death penalty for hate crimes cases. there's also something the president maybe able to do through his executive pen on video game violence. as a band bump stocks through executive action, some people are thinking about, what about these really high capacity magazines, like a shooter in dayton had? that 100-round drum he attached to his ar-15 replica? might that be in the cross hairs? it's likely something the nra would be fiercely against. the high-capacity magazines debate has been had in the past and the nra has already don't like it was posted. people were telling me this morning there is no reason to have a drum with 100 rounds of ammunition in it.
>> melissa: will get to that conversation on the executive order in the second, but let's start with this idea, sean, whether or not the president should go to these locations. in the two different ways you see the mayor handling them. you have the one congresswoman in texas saying that he should not come, he needs to go back and reflect, and the other in dayton saying, "my office respects this office no matter what has been set in the past." what do you think? >> sean: this is a national tragedy and it's the job of the president of the united states to be comforter-in-chief, to bring americans together, console us, talk about a weight forward. that's his job whether it's a republican or democrat. i think the president is doing the right thing. as john noted for the sixth time he will do that, which is a tragedy in itself that he's had to do more than once. whether it's a republican or democrat, this isn't something we should be having to figure
out whether or not they go, we are blaming. this is the time you need to come together as a country to heal, to mourn, to pray, to find a way forward. for people to be trying to figure out who to blame more, or whether or not someone should come or not, takes away from the lives that we need to be honoring and remembering right now. >> melissa: i'm looking for some of the exact words here, kennedy, that we heard. in response to -- they are trying to say the president caused this. i wonder if by responding with really incendiary rhetoric, does that help the situation? or are reporting more gasoline on it, on a time where it's very dangerous? "i'm tired of questioning if the president is a racist. he is." that's aoc. there are so many different issues weaving themselves into a braid of violence in their country. one of them is white supremacist terrorism. she kind of goes on in this vein. >> kennedy: i understand that, she's just abstracting things that are politically convenient
for her. i think you can include rhetori rhetoric. into the braid of what is wrong in this country, and what creates this climate where very sick people are capable of doing horrendous things. the problem is, when you go right back to the political circus, you are doing nothing to honor the memories of those who were slaughtered. you are also immediately moving the conversation away from what solutions might be. so you're either going to fix things or you're going to grandstand. i look at someone like beto o'rourke, he is playing small ball. he will never be president because of his limited mentality and his political instincts that serve absolutely no one. my question to him is, god forbid something like this happens under his watch as president. how would he feel if someone said, in a republican district, "you are not welcome here. the presidency is greater than the occupants of the office." also, president trump is valuable in issues like gun
control. i think it'll be easier for him to sit down with those families and be personally touched by their stories and their pain, which my experiment action quicker? >> sean: he called that whites suburbs become, bigotry, talked but we need to do as a nation. to begin to offer constructive dialogue to move forward with respect to the legislation lindsey graham is putting forward. if i were a democrat i would jump on board and say, "this is the right tone, this is the right action." the president did what he was supposed to do yesterday. democrats and republicans should seize on that. make it unifying moment, try to move the ball forward. to what kennedy was saying, the idea that we have an opportunity and a moment, and instead of figuring out who to blame and reasoning of the political rhetoric, let's get something done. >> melissa: along that line to a solution, john reported that president trump is considering using executive action to immediately address gun violence. in the meantime, members of congress are making proposals on their own.
republican senator lindsey graham and democratic senator richard blumenthal
announcing a bill to create a federal program to help states adopt red flag laws. it's an idea of the president called for in his address yesterday. it would empower officials to block unstable individuals from owning or buying firearms. here is senator graham on this. i will get your reaction right after. >> the gun owner can go in and defend themselves, and the government has to prove by clear and convincing evidence that the person is disturbed, a danger to themselves and others. if that test is met they can seize the gun to get the person the help they need. >> melissa: joe biden was weighing in, saying he would work to ban certain guns if he became president. >> but i would do is i would institute a national buyback program. i would move in the direction of making sure that, in fact, is what we try to do. get them off the street. >> to gun owners out there who say they are going to come work
for my guns -- >> bingo, if you
have an assault weapon. the fact of the matter is they should be illegal, period. >> melissa: dagen? >> dagen: i want to follow up on what's been saying. what if president trump didn't goes these communities? what if they took the advice of his opponents who only wish him ill and wanted to fail? can you imagine the uproar from that? the families in those communities deserve to have the president of the united states there morning and grieving with them. one thing where you will find action, i think, by president trump, is on these -- kennedy had something to say about it. you can call them a number of different things. extreme risk protection orders. red flag laws. or gun violence or string order orders. after the park when shooting, he actually encouraged all states move ahead with them. there's due process according to some, but you have to petition a court and some of them are most of them, there are now 17 states
have them in the district of columbia. but the families of members of household and/or law enforcement can go to and remove the gun from someone says if they are at risk themselves or others. connecticut has had one since 1999. it does seem to at least reduce, based on early research, suicides. so i think this is a huge area. listen to lindsey graham's language carefully. blumenthal and graham, senators both, what a federal grant system to assist the state. so as not a federal law, they are trying to encourage or states -- 17 now, and d.c. -- that have them. >> lisa: as long as it doesn't usurp the judicial review, you might see this bipartisan effort on red flag laws. we saw the week of parkland 12 states take action on red flag laws, including five states with republican governors. so i do think this is the point of agreement. i think it's illogical to try
and place mass shootings are the feet of president trump. even according to the shooter himself, his positions on immigrants predated president trump's term and office. he also had weird positions on climate change, believing we need to have less people on earth. then you also look at the fact that the deaton shooter has such different --dash is so differently ideologically-driven. if the reports on his twitter activity were true, things like that. i think we need to as a country figure out why we seem to be having so many people are becoming radicalized? whatever form of radicalization that is? i think we need to get to the heart of that because there are clearly societal issues you're facing now that are much bigger than anything the government -- >> sean: i think lisa is touching on something enormously important. the red flag is a way we can stop people once we know that they might have a problem. we have to get to the root cause of this. for some reason suicides going up especially with veterans.
more of these are happening. meaning something in our society is allowing people to think that's an okay way to end your life or to take somebody else's. we need to get to the culture. why are kids getting indoctrinated with video game messages, media and entertainment that says it's okay to do this? we glamorize guns, we glamorize violence, and we wonder why we end up in a culture where people react. >> kennedy: you don't see boys playing with guns -- it is about alienation. part of it is -- >> melissa: depression, isolation. >> kennedy: you have sons. boys are marginalized in the society. boys are told that they are aggressive and more likely to assault people and assault wome women. it's really tough. we have to create a climate where, yes, we are honest about things, but we are not otherring people to the point where we force them into isolation. and then with their wiring and sociopathy and everything else,
that creates his environment. >> dagen: but is not something it should be on the government to fix. this is a societal problem. this is a problem with the lack of community formed around churches quite frankly in this country. what we can fix is we have the second amendment but we have restrictions on who was loud, already was led to own guns. >> kennedy: i'm more concerned about what joe biden is saying versus lindsey graham, because elise was lindsey graham, i don't necessarily agree with it, but he's talking about due process. joe biden is talking about coming for your guns and assault weapons, and he will brought in that category so much at president that he will start confiscating. >> melissa: free tuition is one thing. how about free money? 2020 candidates are proposing to pay for what's your tax dollars. pressure on china as the trade war escalates. whether the president's approach is working. ♪ >> if they keep stealing from
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meanwhile, the white house top trade advisor remains bullish on the market. >> the stock market is a leading indicator of the economy. if it's strong, the stock market will be strong. the economy is solid as a rock. >> melissa: excuse me, sorry to do this, breaking news right now. want to go to dayton, ohio, right now where the mayor, nan whaley, is standing by having a press conference. let's listen. >> we don't have much to report on the investigation so i thought it would be good to do a fast discussion here. i'm pleased with the steps that governor dewine has made. i think is listen to the people of dayton. are the steps i would take? of course not. we walk in different strides. considering that last year i was fighting the state legislature about not having guns and day care centers, and the house bill 170 it is a bill getting
rid of concealed carry, i'm pleased were talking about a conversation in a direction that i think is more appropriate around gun reform. with that, i will put up with any questions. >> reporter: mayor, your reaction to president trump coming tomorrow? >> he's the president of the united states, and he has an official capacity as president. in the official capacity of mayor, i will greet him here. >> reporter: will there be protesters protesting the president cannot >> you cover me all the time. you know i have lots of protesters all the time. even my friends protest me from time to time. so i'm glad they are using their right to get free speech. he has made this bed and he's got to lie in it. his rhetoric has been painful for many in our community. i think the people should stand up and say they are not happy, if they're not happy he's
coming. >> reporter: do you know when he's going to come? >> i do not. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> i haven't gotten into the details yet. certainly some of the questions -- i've been really clear about this. i'm not pollyanna-ish to think you're going to find a perfect answer legislation that will solve every single gun problem down the road. but we need to start working and moving in that direction. i think governor dewine has done that. i think the actions of both him, senator brown, congressman turner, coming to dayton on sunday, seeing this site, and then witnessing the love and grief and outpouring in a of our community, it's had an effect on them. >> reporter: can you say if this incident is politically motivated? >> what incident? the incident of trump coming? >> >> reporter: no, the shootin. >> i have no new news on the investigation today. >> reporter: do think the president can help unite?
>> everyone has it in their power to be a force to bring people together. everybody has it in their power to be a force to bring people apart. that's up to the president of the united states. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> i'm in favor of a ban on assault weapons. i've always been in favor of that even before this. this gun is a problematic issue -- if you didn't have a gun like that, we wouldn't see so much death that happened in 30 seconds that had occurred. i share that with the president when he called me sunday evening. >> reporter: mayor, do you believe the president will help bring this community together tomorrow? >> look, i have no sense of what is in president trump's mind at all. right? i can only hope that as president of the united states he is coming here because he wants to add value to our community and he recognizes that it's what our community needs.
>> reporter: have a reach that with the meeting for you? >> yes, they have. >> reporter: 's leg would happen? >> yes. >> reporter: to have his schedule and what he's good to be doing? >> i do not have schedule. >> reporter: after his remarks wrapped up yesterday, what are the first things that went through your mind? >> remarks yesterday? >> reporter: when he addressed the nation about these shootings when also he addressed the people of -- >> of toledo? i'm disappointed with his remarks. i think they felt really short. he mentioned gun issues one time. watching the president of the past few years on issues of guns, he has been -- i don't know if he knows what he believes, frankly. >> reporter: when he did misspeak and say toledo instead of dayton, what was your immediate reaction? >> my immediate reaction is people from the coasts never understand ohio and they think all ohio cities are the same. it's an exhausting issue that we have all the time, and we've had
people from power centers and pay attention to our community's, we'd be better off. >> reporter: the governor's plan for early intervention seems like it was very applicable here. >> definitely, the governor is trying to have an effect here. he's been very clear. he called me last night and we had a discussion about it. he said, "i don't know if these things would have changed dayton, but i think dayton happening has changed his movement on some of these things." he said that to me. this isn't like something that he got together, that it's better that process. i think he's been working on this. >> reporter: you have all these teachers in town i am. early intervention seems like it's very applicable today and for sunday morning. >> as we go back to school, having those assets. let's be clear, the mental health issue we are talking about to increase mental health capacity in this state has been an issue since the great recession.
i don't think it has as much to do with the gun issue but it does have a little bit. we need mental health access overall. we see that with the opioid epidemic, with people that have survived this. we need more mental health access. >> reporter: is enough being done at the federal level to address gun violence? >> absolutely not. the federal -- what do you see in d.c.? you see a lot of nothing happening on a lot of stuff. guns, common sense gun reform is definitely an example where nothing happens. we want something happen there. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> we don't have much of an update today so that's why i came here to talk really quickly. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> absolutely. if i'm telling you, i'm going to tell him. he probably will hear it from you all better than he hears it for me.
how unhelpful he's been on this. yesterday his comments weren't very helpful to the issue around guns. >> do you believe he's coming too soon? >> he's the president of the united states, he does his calendar, i do mine. >> reporter: your reaction -- [indistinct question] >> they are really just heartbreaking. here you have a woman that lives 40 minutes from here, and for her to spew such hate in a community -- our community is about inclusivity and diversity and bringing people together. to say that on the heels of these deaths, i think she just represents what is so disgusting about american politics today. i commend the ohio republican party for calling for resignation. i commend the profile -- the warren county commissioner,
shannon jones, who always speaks truth to power. i hope she resigns because that kind of hate -- and there's a lot of interesting stuff in the ohio statehouse, but that definitely does not belong ther there. >> reporter: have you a chance to meet with any of the victims at? >> they have their victim advocates, so they have not asked to reach out, i've given them their space and will continue to do that. i do plan on visiting the hospital this afternoon. >> reporter: talking about mental health, here in dayton you had all those tornadoes, now this. how important is mental health? >> i think it's a really big issue. guns are a big issue, too. i want us to be careful to not just put them together as one. they are connected but we have a mental health issue that affects gun violence, and we do have an issue with guns. so the straw purchase part that he talks about, the background checks, i really, really important. to just do mental health and not
do gun work, uncommon sense gun legislation, we will not be successful in this fight. >> reporter: social media, things of that nature? >> i'm pleased with the slug was. hopefully -- >> reporter: have you been briefed on this essay about some of those red flags, still not? >> i have not been. i let the police do their investigation and i think it's important to give them space. when it's time, they will brief us. i know they are doing everything as quickly as they can. >> reporter: have you heard anymore about what happened -- [indistinct question] >> are you guys good? >> reporter: do you expect an update from the police the new magna future? >> melissa: that was the mayor of dayton, ohio, nan whaley, during a conference there with some local and national press. largely did not have anything new to say about the
investigation but probably the most centering on the fact of the president is coming there to pay his respects and she faced a lot of questions on that front. she said she will welcome president trump in his official capacity, from her official capacity. she was pressed on the fact that she has not been a fan of his before, and said there are going to be protests. she said, "well, friends protest me all the time. i hope people who don't like his rhetoric will come and have their voices heard. his rhetoric is painful to people in our community. he has made his bed, now he has to lay in it." there was a lot of talk about how his comments fell short yesterday as different reporters asked him about that. she said specifically that he did not call for common sense gun control and felt like gun laws were not going far enough. sean, your thoughts real quick? as a comedic ancient person, on
what you saw there? >> sean: i think it was great that she said the present was welcome. i thought her comments on protesting were good except for the idea, every moment that protests are covered is a moment we are not focusing on the individuals who lost their lives. and that's sad. tomorrow should be about them, and people paying and honoring their sacrifice. the difficult situation that all their family and friends are in. i think she did what she had to do. i'm glad she is welcoming the president. >> melissa: she said anybody can help unite, anyone has the power to bring people together in the power to pull them apart. she also said that the president has reached out to have a meeting when he comes, and that she has accepted. so that's that. former president obama appearing to take a swipe at president trump, blasting leaders he said stoked a climate of fear and hatred. reaction from the couch on that next. ♪ >> america weeps for the fallen. we are a loving nation, and our children are entitled to grow up
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not getting in today. terminix. defenders of home. >> kennedy: fox news alert, just hours after president trump called for the nation to unite and reject hatred and bigotry yesterday, former president obama appearing to take a swipe at his successor in a statement, writing, "we should soundly reject language coming out of out of the mouth of any of our leaders that feed the climate of fear and hatred and normalizes racist sentiment. those who demonize those who don't look like us or suggest that other people including immigrants threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as subhuman or imply that america belongs to just one certain type of people." today president trump pushing back on that narrative, saying he is stoking division. tweeting in part, "i am the least racist person," and
pointed to historically low on appointment in minority communities. i don't know that the employment numbers necessarily speak to his nonracism, and sometimes when i talk about is how not racist you are, it doesn't necessarily help your cause. what do you think? >> sean: i think the more i can do to go in comfort people right now, of all races -- which is what he's going to do -- the way you can talk about people coming together, the better. he shouldn't take the bait with these guys. this has become the left's calling card, everything is racist. the other day during the debate they were talking about environmental racism. everything has become racist in some way, shape, or form. i think it cheapens real incidents where that is occurring, and the real problems that exist, when you for that label to everything. but i think he should plow forward, but has result and action speak for themselves. the more he can go and use an opportunity like that to actually unify, his statement yesterday ironically did exactly that. he talked about bringing people together. he talked about calling out
bigotry and racism and hatred. that's exactly what they say they want. they should be applauding it and saying, "mr. president, this is exactly what you should be doing more of. this is the tone in the style we need more of in this country." but he did exactly what they all say they want him to do, yesterday. >> kennedy: that's one of my biggest frustrations. when we get there, wherever that is, wherever that place is, will they be acknowledgment? i understand her lot of people we have a long way to go, but president obama is being passive-aggressive because clearly he's talking about president trump. but i think you could take some of his language and possibly apply it to others in the political sphere who are saying things that dehumanize, and treat certain groups -- like jews as subhuman. >> dagen: you can read it both ways. i thought that when i was reading the statement. part of president obama's statement -- we should point out, president bush was utterly silent during president obama's
eight years in office, in terms of weighing in on obama's performance as the commander in chief. but president obama has to stay relevant. he has a memoir, it's probably coming out during the election year. asked to remain on the stage. his photographer, don't forget, came out with a second photo book called "shade: a tale of two presidents." was basically his trolling on instagram in book form. there are different ways that president obama has weighed in. people who work closely with hi him -- >> lisa: something i find frustrating with president obama weighing in here as he had a real opportunity at the memorial service for the slain police officers in dallas to try and unite the country. instead, he took that opportunity to take cheap shots at police officers. remember, they died because they were police officers, and the shooter intentionally targeted them because he wanted to target white police officers. he told police officers he was inspired by black lives matter.
president obama had an opportunity to go up there as uniter-in-chief. he didn't take that opportunity. he got scorned. not just from conservatives but also mainstream media reporters, as well. i don't think has a lot of room to talk here. even if you look at somebody like hillary clinton, she would not have come in and united this country. she said 63 million americans are deplorable and assigned them as uniforms, muslim folks, sexist, racist. we are at a time and fortunately where politics is a whole as divisive. instead of taking aim at each other, perhaps everyone could do a better job of trying to to ts quit of the rhetoric. >> melissa: they kept saying he has to come out or denounce what the pharmacy. that would be the thing. he comes out and he does that, has absolutely no impact. elected to help put not to meddle, he sat there and did and they made fun of the way he did it. it just proves that words don't actually matter. >> kennedy: all he did was pass the scepter to mitch mcconnell, clearly.
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many going beyond new government programs like medicare for all. tech entrepreneur andrew yang proposes giving every american adult $1,000 per month, and senator cory booker wants to start a savings account for every american child. in spiritual group and author, marianne williamson, believes the government should pay up to $500 billion as reparations for slavery. how do you advocate for capitalism from a messaging standpoint when they propose like andrew yang, giving away $1,000 per month, probably sounds pretty good to a lot of americans? >> sean: it does. free is always good. no one doesn't like something that's free. i think the problem is we need to go out there and explain what that means. with the reality that is, with the burden is that it puts on other generations. the other thing is, in the case of both health care and education, i think it's a false choice. they say it's going to be free, health care is on the rise. education is on the rise. part of the reason education and particulars on the rise is the
government helped create a system of universities that makes them charge more so the government will cover more, so the students are burdened with more debt. we are never dealing actually with what's causing it. the root cause of these two areas in particular, to rise. democrats, through the system, health care will skyrocket. the government covers the cost, there's no incentive to actually reform or create efficiency. in either one of those categories. we have created a system in both education and health care that the democrats have created, burdening the textures of the cost. >> dagen: have been dying to say this for months. this attitude of giving things away for free is actually a continuation of a conservative phenomenon that gave rise to the tea party. it was the bank bailouts. you have millions of people who lost their homes in this countr country. the banks got bailed out, the fat cats got to their jobs.
general motors got bailed out, they lost money on that bailout. where's my money? it gave rise to the tea party, and this bailout culture. where's my money? >> kennedy: president obama's stimulus packages -- >> dagen: it was the bank bailout that started the tea party and the nature of it was, where's our bailout can make it for saving the banks and we are losing their homes? >> kennedy: but there was a big debate, particularly among libertarian economist, about too big to fail. i want to get back to the spending programs a little bit. i am fine with reparations, spending between $200,000,000,000.500 $200,000,000,000.500 billy does predict or forget who it's going to end who you're going to pick him up that means you cannot have come in any form, medicare for all. $32 trillion pan is much worse than a $500 billion plan, and also what andrew yang is talking
about, that's unsustainable and you have to get rid of all were welfare programs if you're going to do that. >> sean: the republican party needs to get back to your fiscal responsibility. you've got $20 in debt. which i committed gets more stuff for free. >> dagen: are you talking to? >> sean: i'm talking to you. >> lisa: "the new york times" giving to left-wing critics with prominent democrats accusing the paper of supporting white c. what role does it play, and whether the response was appropriate. stay with us. ♪ too many people in pain settle for
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two, "the ceiling hate, but not guns." kennedy, i'm glad to know they have all the outside help editing the newspaper, because they are, like, lawmaker and savior and preacher and now editor. >> kennedy: direction and the capitulation is unsettling. lots of people on both sides get really mad at the other, and opinion-based journalism, when you consider your be if you rely on the facts, support report the message. the people's feelings get bumped into lee shouldn't change so you disseminate the news. >> sean: it was the last ability -- it was the realization that everybody has known for a long time that "the new york times" is a, bias, and b, dependent on the democratic party. it literally leaves no doubt in
anyone's mind that their job is to advance an agenda of the left. that's it, pure and simple. i'm so tired of all these folks on the media talking about that everyone needs to defend them. it's pretty clear that an institution like that is 100% controlled by the left. that made it crystal clear. >> lisa: i think the majority of the media is not objective. this underscores that point. any perceived objectivity is gone in the trump era. >> dagen: can't stand up to it on social media. what are you? >> kennedy: grow a pair! >> dagen: that's really good advice, kennedy. always. [laughter] more "outnumbered" in just a moment. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable.
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