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not a good thing, none of us should do it. the hate and the rhetoric that we heard over the last four or five days, it's got to -- everyone's got to take a break. speaking of that, i'm going to be taking some time off. see you back your skin. great guest host in the meantime, and shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team take it from here. >> shannon: enjoy your break, laura, we will miss you. we begin tonight with a fox news alert. if the president's fresh visit with first responders and victims after back-to-back shootings in el paso and dayton, now facing a new line of attack. high-profile democrats are invoking whites of pharmacy to describe the president. hear what rush limbaugh has to say about that coming out. plus, jeanette, president trump signaling he supports background checks and red flag laws. will he take executive action? the nra is weighing in. coming up, the former acting attorney general joins us live. and later, a brand-new violent film about elites literally hunting down so-called deplorables, human beings.
at least one network has told the ad is now a major hollywood production from his grandma started with them marketing as many as why was it even make you mad welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm shannon bream in washington. foxton coverage, garrett tenney standing by in el paso. trace gallagher from karl rove but we start with kristin fisher on how president trump and the first lady spent the day with two grieving communities. >> we didn't get to see too much of president trump today. all of his meetings with survivors in el paso were close to the press but there was a moment late tonight, his last stop in el paso where we got to watch president trump hear the story of one of the heroes. >> officer rodriguez is one of the first responders at the walmart shooting in el paso. she told president trump she rushed in completely blind, never thinking that two of her relatives were inside. >> my cousin. he's in icu at the moment. still fighting for his life. >> is president trump raise the
first responders, the emergency operations center in el paso, processed and followed president trump wherever he went today continued. president trump started the day saying he did not want today to be about the political divisiveness that has gripped this country after 31 people were shot and killed into cities just 13 hours apart. >> i would like to stay out of the political fray. >> but before that it was over president trump had attacked several of his 2020 opponents on twitter and brown of ohio and dayton mayor whaley. >> they shouldn't be politicking today. i thought it was sherrod brown. he and the mayor. >> the senator and finger accompany the president as he visited survivors of the hospital in dayton and afterwards they complemented his bedside manner. >> i think the victims and the first responders were grateful that the president of the united states came today. >> he was comforting and he did the right things. >> but they were also critical of the president for not supporting an assault weapons
ban and for the language he has used, which they say fuels these types of shootings. >> i'm very concerned about a president that divides in this rhetoric and -- >> the president insisted saturday that he has not emboldened what's a pharmacist. >> my critics are political people, they are trying to make points. in many cases they are running for president and they are low in the polls. >> one of those candidates, joe biden, today double down the charge. >> this president has fanned the flames of white supremacy in this nation. >> race and gun control are now the dominant issue on the campaign trail and it would be on capitol hill too if congress was in session. today president trump floated the idea of calling congress back early. >> if we will get close i will bring them back. >> president trump says he sees no political appetite for renewing assault weapons ban but he believes the time may be right for universal background checks. >> there's a great appetite, and i mean a very strong appetite
for background checks, and i think we can bring up background checks like we've never had before. >> but bringing up background checks would require mitch mcconnell's support and so far he has resisted pressure to bring back senators back early from recess, shannon. >> shannon: we are going to talk with former acting attorney general about this, but executive action of congress, what can the president do and how gun rights supporters feel about that. thank you very much. let's go live now to el paso. garrett tenney has been speaking to members of the community there all day is this south played out. good evening. >> shannon, good evening to you. today was really the tale of two presidents. for some of this was a visit of the commander in chief, a consoler in chief. for others, it was the agitator in chief. that divide was on display outside the university medical center of el paso this afternoon with the president's supporters and protesters lined the streets during his visit.
>> i find it hypocritical that our president comes in here to basically played a part of him being a sympathizer when in reality it's been in his rallies that he has painted us as an unsafe city and basically inspired this shooter to drive nine hours to come and commit murder. >> we shouldn't start blaming each other for our words. we should actually try to get together and find out what to do next. >> is the president landed, more than 700 people attended the el paso strong march downtown to protest his visit, including el paso native beto o'rourke. >> when he talked about mexican immigrants, so many of whom have found a home here in el paso. until they commit crimes are far lower rates than those who were born in this country, called them rapists and criminals, has sought to make this country afraid of us. has sought to keep us down. >> to put today's protest and perspective, when the president
was last here in february, their protests numbered in the thousands. it's got to remember though, the city still has 21 funerals to prepare for. the first was earlier today and officials have said that is where this community's efforts are going to be. you can really see that here at this memorial, which has continued to grow night after night. thousands of people have come out to sing together, to pray together, and to honor and remember those 22 people whose lives were stolen on saturday. shannon. >> shannon: we've heard so much about the community, how special it is in el paso, come together to support each other regardless of backgrounds. >> very special place. >> shannon: thank you for covering it for us. the hashtag impeach joaquin castro is trending on twitter after the texas democrat posted a list of 44 44 trump reelectin donors from within his own district. one of those donors that democratic congresswoman dominic congressman walking fire is under fire for naming and
shaming on twitter has actually donated to castro's campaign too. although he's suggesting he's not going to do that again and he's not the only one. tonight, congressman castro's twin brother julian, running for president, responded to president trump on twitter. "joaquin and i will keep fighting, the american people will fight every day for our nation against her hate, your corruption, and your ego and we will win. adios, trump." our next guest, a proud texan joins us from austin or one of the vigils underway. fox news contributor and former deputy chief of staff under president george w. bush, karl rove. wait to see see you tonight. >> good to see you, shannon. >> shannon: when other people of texas are strong and resilient, but they had to face a number of these shootings, a number of these situations. now looking at the president's response today, we were talking about the fact that whether he goes, what if he doesn't go, whether he doesn't speak, they are going to be critics matter what this president does when there's an atrocity like this.
>> absolutely and he made the right decision to go. have been a problem if he had not gone, but he went. he met with victims and first responders. this was not a day to go out and make a speech. this was a day to comfort people and people have a right to protest, and they did so in both dayton and el paso but i thought the president was doing exactly the right thing and pictures speak volumes about his reception both in dayton and el paso when he visited the medical facilities where people are trying -- struggling to recover. >> shannon: texas senator ted cruz, the republican of course, had a lot to say about how both sides need to calm down a little bit in the midst of what we're watching and characters reported, 21 more funerals to go in el paso. that is a stunning number. here's what senator cruz said. >> i think everyone in the political arena needs to just ratchet down the rhetoric. it's fine to disagree on a policy issue or a substance issue but the hateful and
inflamed rhetoric that we see on both sides of the aisle, that is not good. >> shannon: honestly it seems like to me it's gotten worse in the past 48 hours. what's your take? >> i think it has. i've written about this for tomorrow's "wall street journal." i've been taken aback by how many democratic candidates are basically saying the president is an accomplice to these murders in dayton and in el paso. about how he is responsible. in fact the accusation that he is responsible, cory booker said it. so did mayor pete buttigieg. assorted robert francis o'rourke. and also how this had been used politically. think about this. elizabeth warren and bernie sanders both say the president is responsible and call him a racist and then both of them send out fund-raising emails. drawing on these two massacres in el paso and in dayton. elizabeth warren to raise money for democratic senate candidates
and bernie sanders to ask people to sign a petition, names that he would later solicit i'm sure for his campaign. and then this afternoon, joe biden went out and gave this speech again, incendiary suggesting the president was directly responsible for those murders and immediately sent out a fund-raising field based on his speech and his remarks. talk about politicizing something that should never be politicized. these people are doing that. and what gets me is -- look, think about this. it would be accused bernie sanders of inciting the guy who tried to kill republican house members -- >> shannon: almost killed steve scalise. >> almost killed steve scalise, shot a capital police officer, shot two other individuals at a baseball practice and he turned out to be an ardent bernie sanders supporter and raged on the internet and social media against donald trump's policies. should we blame bernie sanders? nobody in their right mind would
suggest so. how about elizabeth warren? turns out the guy in ohio apparently was a fan of hers. self-proclaimed leftist, a fan of bernie sanders. praised nt five. again, attacked president trump and his policies. should we blame them simply because he was a supporter of theirs and a fan of theirs? know, i've been out. but that's where we come in our society and our politics has broken enough. this is not something that we should find acceptable for political candidates, particularly ones were struggling down there and trying to get attention to point the finger and say the president of the united states is directly responsible for somebody who has committed a heinous act in el paso and a heinous act in dayton, ohio. >> shannon: a lot of the folks i talked to in your article is excellent at people should read that tomorrow. i've seen a preview. most americans out there say throw the parties out, they just want a little bit of unity right now, it's really what they want to hear from people, regardless of where they are personally coming from, so let's hope we can get there and some of these
things. karl rove, thank you very much. >> you pat, thank you. >> shannon: a mitch mcconnell's campaign twitter account apparently still suspended late this evening. twitter reportedly suspending the could count, get this, because it violated guidelines for posting video of a protest outside the republican kentucky senate majority leader's home. the video shows the protester threatening to -- asking to stab the blank in the heart. twitter says it's got to come down because they don't post threats regardless of the nature of them. meanwhile, political reporting that the white house is circulating draft of an executive order attended to address allegations of bias against conservatives and social media companies like twitter. later this week president trump heads to a fund-raiser in new york hosted by real estate developer stephen ross. among other things, ross it was partially owns the miami dolphins and a couple of fitness chains. customer senate are threatening to boycott his equinox and soulcycle gems if he goes through with the term
fund-raiser. reps for the chain say they've got nothing to do with the event they do not support it. house judiciary committee is trying to force former white house counsel don mcgahn to testify. the panel suing in federal court hoping to make them comply with the subpoena. it is also challenging trump administration assertions of various privileges and immunities regarding former white house employees. former acting attorney general matt whitaker joins us live to tackle that legal debate along with talk of a timeline now for impeaching the president. matt whitaker, minutes away. painting all conservatives as violent white supremacists, what some of the mainstream media are saying tonight. we will debate where the country goes next. ♪ but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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into overdrive ramping up attacks on president trump and conservatives in the wake of the weekend's mass shootings. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher looks into it for us. good night to evening, trace. >> we've gone to a new level because of president trump's critics says that on top of feeling hate with his words, the president is somehow signaling what's a pharmacist through a type of secret code system and this person isn't just an nbc contributor, he's a former fbi assistant director of counterintelligence who is accusing the president of having an ulterior motive by ordering flags be flown at half-staff until august 8th. you know, eight, eight. watch. >> numbers 8-8 are very significant in significant in neo-nazi and what's a pharmacist movements. why? because the h is the eighth letter of the alphabet and to them, the numbers 8-8 together stand for hitler. >> he says the president should
have been advised to steer clear of the double eight. meantime the host on the same network had to apologize for agreeing with a guest who came to this baffling conclusion. watch again. >> what you do with an infestation? >> with an infestation of the natural conclusion is to attempt and extermination. >> you now have a president talking about exterminating latinos. >> nicole wallace then apologized and condemned the president and one felt weak. "i misspoke about trump calling for an extermination of latinos. my mistake was unintentional and i'm sorry. it trumps constant assault of people of color and his use of the word "invasion to describe the flow of immigrants is intentional and constant." and there's more. like this tweet from director and author raquel. quoting, "it would be great if all media outlets paid their respects to victims of the el paso shooting in dayton shooting respectively by not covering racist in chief trumps visits to each city.
nobody wants him there. it's like a murderer returning to the scene of the crime to gloat." for the record, it should be noted the president overall was warmly received in both dayton and el paso. shannon. >> shannon: trace gallagher on the west coast. thank you very much. some high-profile democrats are following suit in this new line of attack against president trump. >> both clear language and encode, this president has fanned the flames of white supremacy in this nation. >> shannon: congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez a number of tweets made. in one of them she says "what's up are is often often subconscious and clearly our nation has not been inoculated. ws, what's a premise, is our nation's original sin, native, jim crow, segregation, of mass incarceration of "enter back." it never went away, it was just
dormant." former clinton poster doug schoen and lieutenant governor of texas dan patrick. thank you both for being with us tonight. >> thank you, shanna. >> hi, shannon. >> shannon: i want to redo the headline in "the new york times," conservatism has a violence problem. it's as this. "it's folly to pretense the problem is symmetrical. mainstream conservative politicians use the rhetoric of physical violence much more often, starting with the current president of the united states and right wing extremists have a culture of violence unlike anything on the left. its consequences are fatal again and again." lieutenant governor, your response? >> well first of all, i hate to even dignify the comments that they have made because it is -- being here, shannon, does something different to you because you feel the pain of the community, so i really don't want to go down the ugly political sliding for the democrats have gone down but
beto is showing himself to be nothing more than the biggest political hack, huckster trying to turn his 2% into something more on the backs of this tragedy. this is the worst of times and the best of times and we've seen it in america, we've seen it in texas. it's a terrible time, but you see the best of people coming out and in terms of the president, i spent a lot of time with the president. i was his campaign chair when he campaigned in the state an '16. he's been here many times since i've been governor. with a quiet time together, personal time. i see him in action. this guy doesn't have one racist bone in his body. he loves everybody. come in the back way for security, through the kitchen, he shakes every hand. doesn't matter what color you are, who you vote for, he loves everybody and this is just a scurrilous attack on this president and it's hurting our country. we are trying to heal. and they're trying to divide. but let me make something clear, we are different in texas, shannon, because today governor abbott, myself and the speaker, we met with the el paso delegation.
senator jose rodriguez, a democrat and all of their house democrats. we are not hearing from him. here in texas we are one texas. at a time like this like after american harvey or the school shooting or the other disasters we've had, it's not who was a republican or democrat, we are all texans trying to come together and of course we will go to our separate corners when the election comes next year, but right now we are together. what i'm seeing on the national scene is disgraceful and it's hurting our country. but people have common sense, the american people are smart and they're going to see right through this. it right through this. it's only going to propel drum to a bigger win because of their antics. >> shannon: words have power, they are very powerful, and a lot of folks are kind of splicing -- and what's been said. rush limbaugh had this to say today about how democrats are using specific words as a means to an end. >> they're trying to trick people, pull the wool over people's eyes so they can set up anybody who opposes mass migration as a racist. racism and racist kind of lost
matches where the democrats are bad, the republicans are worse or vice versa. we come together and solve problems. that i understand to be the best of times and the best of what this country stands for. >> shannon: lieutenant governor, quickly, we are almost out of time. we talked a number of times how we've seen people of el paso and the folks come together there and really reach across and it kind of differences or barriers to help each other. are you hopeful that can happen on the national stage as well? >> i am hopeful. because the people of america are good people. and they're not on these extremes on either side. that's not where america is. in texas and el paso, strong christian state, strong catholic community in el paso. in texas when we go to our knees it's not because we are going to surrender to the shooters or to the haters to the white supremacist or two domestic terrorists, which all this was. we get down on our knees and pray to god we ask for understanding.
after sutherland springs i talked to a great-grandfather who lost a number of members of his family and he says it's not up to us to question god, it's up to us to trust god and that's what's happening here in el paso. these are good people coming together, and let me tell you what. this is a town of 700,000 people. if there were four or five or 600 people downtown today, that's a small number of protesters. if the president welcomed everywhere. i went with the democratic senator to give blood today. everyone there said tell the president we are glad he's coming. at the hospital the president told me of her thank you for coming. people were glad the president came and he handled it properly. >> shannon: he recognized -- >> simply, let's get legislation passed. let's let this moment not pass, a tragic moment. let's at least get background check legislation passed now. mr. president , call congress back into session now. it immediately. >> shannon: we will see if they are willing. doug, lieutenant governor, thank you both very much. >> thank you, shannon. enke.
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$300 billion to be imposed on september 1st. those sources are also telling us to believe that they are preparing for 10% tariffs to go to 25% because china refuses to buy u.s. agriculture. the chinese government officials are at an annual government retreat where our sources are saying they're working on ways to retaliate that will not affect china's economy. the one idea being considered is to further support government companies and support foreign companies in china, just not from the u.s. still, the chinese economy slowing, president donald trump looking at that and believing the chinese will need a deal. >> thousands of companies are leaving china now because of the tariffs. and we are in a very good position. as to whether or not a deal will be made, i will tell you this, i know would like to make a deal very badly. >> tariffs on china increasing this year possibly want to come. the treasury department says that the treasury is taking in
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cyber banging. the post also reports the most popular site for gang members include whatsapp, government, kick messenger, where messages disappear soon after their scent of making it harder for cops to track. but they avoid facebook, which they call fed book because authorities have been monitoring facebook for years looking for evidence of illegal activity and finding it. locking up numerous gang leaders who posted think they probably wish they didn't. cops say it's getting tougher now since they can't monitor messages sent in the chat app so they are relying more heavily on confidential informants who can grab screenshots of gang activity. they're also reaching out to parents to try and monitor their kids' social media, holding seminars to teach some of these symbols and warning signs. one red flag, if kids live in a certain neighborhood and have thousands of friends online, it may not simile me there popular. it could mean they're up to no good. shannon. >> shannon: rick, thank you. it's been called one of california's biggest open-air drug markets and the feds are
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>> hello, shannon. >> shannon: i want to read something from a columbine survivor to see how much time is gone by now. happens to be house g.o.p. leader, patrick neville. he says this, laws. he said the policy served one purpose, gun confiscation without due process. it will further stigmatize our military and veterans and put police in danger and it does nothing to deal with problems of mental illness. i'm asking the president to ignore andrew brumberg and senator graham and our obsession to pass a gun confiscation bill. how do you think this plays out? a lot of people have to be convinced to do to go along with this. it wouldn't be a federal law, it would be federal grant money, but there's a lot of talk about it now. typically, correct, and we look at this -- when i was on the school safety commission as acting attorney general, we looked at e.r. po's and red flag laws and our recommendation was that each state craft their own laws. about 17 on the books currently
and would like to see how those are playing out. the president mentioned that you would have some form of due process, but the men and women in law enforcement i think need as many tools as we can to deal with mental health. when i was attorney general and chief of staff for jeff sessions, i heard a lot from law enforcement, how much more help they needed dealing with the mentally ill in their communities. >> shannon: do you think it's a funding issue? >> i don't think it's a funding issue. i think to some extent -- it's very hard to predict once what is going to tip over. we've heard a lot of talk over the last couple days since the tragedies in ohio and texas. and i think it's just hard to predict when an individual is going to seek that avenue to act out. so i think law enforcement is doing so many things and we have so much -- ask so much of them. but i also believe if they need more tools and they think in a rpo as a way to go i think each state legislator should look very hard to craft one that works better stay. >> shannon: i think the due
process issue is a big one that you're going to have to convince a lot of people before other folks are -- you know, feel comfortable getting aboard and you're dealing with the constitutional right. >> i think you're right. but as you know, you can get into pretty quick in front of it or. >> shannon: if the other side, making sure it's not ex parte where the parties -- there some representation. we will see, the devil is always in the details. since we have you on pickup of your former positions i want to ask as well about the talk of moving forward with -- obviously there are no fights over subpoenaing former white house counsel don mcgahn to get him to testify, how democrats say they need that to determine whether they are moving forward and out with a formal impeachment inquiry. here's house judiciary committee chairman democrat jerry nadler. >> if we decide to report articles of impeachment we can get that in the latter part of the year. >> shannon: so he says he's got a timeline. >> he does. i know that don mcgahn has already said that he did not witness the president do anything unlawful or illegal, so
i think this just is another waste of time where we are trying to continue this investigation by democrat members of congress. it's going to end up not bearing any fruit in the important work of americans, including gun violence, immigration, and all the other things that congress should spend their time working on on behalf of the american people is being ignored. >> shannon: you are from speaker pelosi. she has been kind of cautioning them that they need to be able to do that. ensure the american people they are doing something besides impeaching but now we're here and talk and it seems that she's now starting to be a little bit more open to the idea. we will see. the committee chairman is talking about it openly. but matt, hopefully you'll come back and talk about that at all these other legal fights that continue in d.c. >> let's do it soon. >> shannon: see you then, thank you. >> thanks, shannon. >> shannon: this is a fox news alert. in southern california there are between eight and ten crime scenes going on right now after a mass staffing. police say four people have been killed in a series of robberies and stabbings in both garden
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♪ >> hunting human beings for sport. >> there not human beings. >> every year a bunch of elites kidnapped normal folk like us. speak a word of you from? >> wyoming. >> orlando. >> and hunt us for sport. >> shannon: universal studios reportedly reevaluating its upcoming horror movie in which which elites hunt so-called human deplorables. to the hollywood reporter which says espn has actually pulled an ad for the film. spring and the founder of catalina magazine cathy areu and founder of turning point usa, charlie kirk for more.
just to let folks know, welcome to you both, a little more about the plot here. it says it follows a dozen types who wake up in a clearing and realize they're being stalked for sport by elite liberals. it features guns blazing along with other ultraviolent killings as the elites pick off their prey. listen, charlie, i'm all for creativity and free speech. i'm not sure who thought that this was a great idea, especially heading into an election year. >> right, they have a right to make foolish decisions. and again, for the last couple days, i've agreed somewhat with on the people the left that words matter and they can potentially lead to violence and, my goodness, all movie -- how did this even get out of production? it's not funny. they obviously have a right to do it. they're saying it's satire when they are calling as individuals deplorable types, which of course is a play on hillary clinton's words and i'll give one point to the viewers that's really important. we have seen how these particular films can
unfortunately have a really negative effects. the netflix series that focused on teenage suicide, we seen a direct correlation in teenage suicide since that series has come out on netflix. almost glamorized and glorified. make no mistake the sort of films can have real cultural impact and it's unbelievably insensitive a couple days after two mass shootings that this is now potentially going to be advertised. i agree -- deemphasizing. how is this even made to move forward in the first place? >> shannon: kathy, you know in recent days if you bring up the idea that some of what's happening in our country right now is cultural in nature, that we have violent video games, violent movies, violent music, people immediately say no, that's really not a factor, that's not where we should be focusing. with this movie -- i've seen the ad, they are sort of terrifying and disgusting, i don't care who's hunting who, it's humans going after each other. you know, do we need this right now in our society? >> no, we don't need it but it's like the walking dead on amc.
these things are disturbing and they are disgusting and i think charlie and i are going to agree for the first time ever in a debate that words do matter. i think the words must movie at this time in our nation where we are grieving the deaths of so many innocent people that words do matter. many people are putting the blame on the president right now in his words. to put out a movie that's going to do the opposite to make liberals hunting conservatives, that's disturbing and may be years now we can look back on it, but just like they pulled seth rogen's "interview" just like a theocracy was not pulled out. so many movies that have -- now is not the time to put a movie like this one words matter. >> shannon: "in this hollywood reporter article has employees in different departments were questioning the wisdom of making such a movie in these times in light of the horrific recent shootings, is this not the most craven, irresponsible, dangerous exploitation? charlie, like i said, i've seen
the trailers. they've been out there. espn we are told has pulled the ad for now. there was supposed to be a big ad blitz in september. listen, movies take a long time to make so there's no way they could have known this is the timing they were face in the midst of what we faced in the last couple of weeks here in this country. any chance you think the movie goes away altogether, or is it more popular than ever because there's going to be so much controversy? >> potentially, but shana, i thought the exact same thought, just a little different while also analyzing it. it takes a lot of planning. there were meetings about this lots of obviously variations of scripts. $18 million budget. this was not just a foolish tweet, this was a multimillion dollar production by a major movie house where the ethos of the entire film is conservative trump supporter's are being hunted for sport by liberals. that's not funny. it's not entertaining. is it a marketing gimmick? i mean, whoever has that idea i would love to see them defend that. so this is gone for months if
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