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>> bill: you got anything else there, kid? >> sandra: of still got the music in my head from woodstock! >> bill: how about manana? >> sandra: we will see you tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: we are awaiting a news conference. the philadelphia district attorney in philly, obviously, it's going to be addressing reporters and taking questions after the shoot-out last night. fox news alert now, new political fallout after the israeli government has decided to bar two u.s. congressman from visiting the u.s. state. moments before that announcement, president trump weighed in. there were hearing from democratic candidates for president and the member of the so-called squad, aoc plus three. we are all over the news. your watching @outnumberedfnc. here's melissa francis, town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, as well, leslie marshall.
in the center seat, charlie hurt. notice how my voice dropped when i said your name? we are getting to ready to watch you bring it. welcome. >> charlie: i like that. slow news day. [laughter] >> harris: yeah right! israel's deputy foreign minister has confirmed his government will deny congresswomen tlaib and omar into israel. they were expected to arrive this weekend and spend five days meeting with israeli and palestinian groups. earlier this way, president trump urged israel not to let them visit. he tweeted this. "it would show great weakness if israel allowed these representatives to visit. they hate israel and all jewish people, and there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds." minnesota and michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. they are a disgrace!" and of tweets. and reaction , as you might imagine, is going in. presidential candidate senator bernie sanders tweeted this. "banning congresswomen omar and tlaib from entering israel and
palestine is a sign of enormous disrespect to those elected leaders to the united states, congress, and to the principles of democracy. the israeli government should reverse this decision and allow them in." the senator mentioned palestine, but while there are palestinians there is no actual state of palestine. moments ago, a member of the so-called squad, massachusetts congresswomen ayanna pressley, treated this. "i'm calling this like i see it -- bigoted, shortsighted, and cruel. any leader committed to advancing democracy would welcome with open arms to go democratically-elect the united states congresswomen, and every single member of congress should be calling this out." you could hardly contain yourself. why? >> charlie: because i thought president trump street was so funny. and it's so sort of unexpected. not unexpected from him, but not something you would expect from a politician. israel has a right to determine who comes into the country and
who doesn't. i find it amusing that people like bernie sanders think that he ought to be saying -- that he had to determine who gets to go into their country. the bottom line is, in president trump's tweets, as unusual as that was, mentions it. this is the important thing. i don't particularly like these congresswomen, but i think doesn't matter. the only thing that matters are the people who elected them. if somebody wants to do something about those two people, you are going to have to get their constituents to vote them out of office. that's the way it works here. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: i think that israel would have shown strength have they allowed them to come in. for a few reasons. one, if you're going to be a fellow beacon of democracy, you have to be a fellow beacon of freedom. one of the greatest freedoms america has is the freedom of speech. you might not like what they say, but they have the right to say it. secondly, we are looking at one of these congresswomen who is
palestinian. i get tired being of jewish ancestry of hearing people who are anti-israel or anti--jew. i know many jews who are in favor of a two state solution, and they're not against themselves, anti-semitic or jewish. these are two elected congresswomen. >> melissa: do you understand that they want to treat israeli citizens the way they are being treated in this instance? >> leslie: that is wrong. >> melissa: by supporting boycott divest sanctions, they want to not allow israeli citizens to come to the u.s. they want to treat israel the way we look at iran. iran hangs people for being homosexual and have so far this year. there is a huge difference. they also made the distinguishen that if representative tlaib wants to visit her family, they will let her in. they won't let her into going to a conference where she will organize with bds people. that's the difference.
she can go visit family but she's going to go organize against israel. but with a letter in? 's be want to get the street and from senator elizabeth warren. one of the 2020 democratic presidential candidates. this was before the official announcement. "israel doesn't advance its case is a tolerant democracy or unwavering u.s. ally by borrowing elected members of congress from visiting because of their views. this would be a shameful, unprecedented move. i urge israel's government to allow ill on and tlaib entry." and you say what? >> katie: i want more context about what's going on here. this is not a decision that president trump has made for israel. israeli officials were speaking throughout the night. they've been debating this since this trip was announced in july by ilhan omar and rashida tlaib. it's a very difficult conversation officials have had there. because they were set up and put in a bad situation by ilhan omar. this is why. she introduced the resolution, the bds resolution, in support
of the bds movement. which is geared toward eliminating israel. it's founded by a man that does not believe the state of israel as a right to exist. the day after, she knows she was going on a trip to israel, with tlaib, knowing that israel has a long-standing policy of not allowing people who support bds into the country. so they set this up so that if israel of the men, they are violating their own policy and going against their standard bill for everybody else. were they denied them and now they are all making the argument that they are not pro-democratie speech. this isn't about free speech, this is about them supporting a movement that denies their ability to exist. by the way, bds doesn't just hurt jews in israel, it hurts palestinians and has eliminated thousands of jobs for palestinians living in israel and the west bank. >> harris: so where is the democratic party going here? you have a binary choice. time and time again. week after week. it isn't just about israel, it's about a whole host of issues
that have come up via these women. you can talk about whether or not twitter is where any of this should play out. in congress, as they come back at the end of the summer come over to the democrats go? >> leslie: we haven't seen any legislation put forth that echoes the sentiments of these congresswomen with regard to bds. we have seen, consistently -- even prior to these women being elected to congress -- democrats who have favored a two state solution who are against the constant building of settlements by the israelis. that doesn't help over the peace process. it doesn't help over the two state solution. having lived in israel in 1996, prior to going there, like i said -- having a jewish parent, i was brought up that jews are good and palestinians are bad, quite frankly. that they are not oppressed. that's not what i saw when i lived there, with my own eyes. i saw something different. i saw oppression and i was upset that my people, if you will come over the oppressors.
these people, one of them being palestinian, that's what she's fighting for. she's fighting for a family who lives there. i think democrats have been trying to look at this through a different lens. the freak cannot respond to that? >> harris: i want to get this in real quickly, katie. after borrowing the congresswoman, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, says israel is open to all criticism but not calls for boycotts which harm the state. >> melissa: there's a big, big goals between what you are saying, which makes logical sen. you really have to look at the hate speech. he talked about people who said inflammatory things, just look at the bds twitter feed. you can't support this group and say that you are on the side of democracy or you are on the side of peace. if there is just a big gulf between what you said. >> katie: with all due respect, leslie, there's a lot that happened since i knew 90. they gave up gaza, the response has been thousands of rockets. they killed and arrested a
number of terrorists coming to israel from gaza. the issue is not about free speech, it's about supporting a movement that is not about the two state solution. it's about supporting a movement that eliminates israel from the map, destroys the jewish state and the country. that is what they are supporting. it's provocative action and they are going there to continue talking about that and supporting that, inside the very country they want to destroy. >> harris: i want to be back in here. there are some apples and oranges here. as the prime minister pointed out, these are not just american citizens going over. these are congress-elected members of congress. when you talk about supporting a movement like bds, does this impact the conversation in an important way? versus uri or somebody else? >> charlie: absolutely, by all means. leslie brings up an important point, that they haven't introduced any legislation. but as with this, and as with a lot of things, the party has very much been hijacked by these
four members. they are driving the conversation. just watch the democratic debates. they are about things like the green new deal. there are about giving illegals free health care. it's really crazy and i think -- >> harris: they are not just driving the conversation. in certain instances. they are drowning it out. they are overshadowing those 2020 candidates. >> charlie: the twitter thing is an important part. they have that was on twitter, has -- it's like wagging the dog. >> harris: i've got to step in with breaking news, i apologize. the philadelphia district attorney on the shootings last night. left six police officers injured, but they will recover. in philadelphia, let's watch together. >> by statute, that record shows a criminal record. as an adult, going back to the early 2000s. and extending up to a few years ago. the most recent case i am
seeing, as i flipped through, it's approximately 12 pages. a conviction from 2012. to the best of our knowledge, the reporting but there was a federal conviction of mr. maurice hale and that he did federal time is also correct. there was federal supervision. at least up until about 2016. to the best of our knowledge, that is also correct. we are gathering that information. having said that, because there are some people, both last night and today, in the media, who have either been misled or been confused about what maurice hill we are talking about. having been said, are there anye >> reporter: during the time that you have been the district attorney, has your office had any connection to prosecutions of this man? >> as best i can tell, the answer is absolutely not. as best i can tell, there has been no new criminal matter in the city and county of
philadelphia. in 2018, 2019, and a belief not even something originating in 2017, which would be the year before we were in office. i cannot tell you at this time whether there may have been an occasion where there was a violation hearing. during this of administration, in relation to those many, many convictions that happened during the administration of linda abraham or the administration of seth williams. this is, in fact, a 12 page of extract of criminal matters that were handled by those in administration's. i can't say that, but i can say that if there's any contact at all, it would not have been on an open criminal matter. >> reporter: should this man have not been on the streets? >> i think it's clear this man should not have been on the streets in the sense that he obviously was a tremendous danger to the public and to law enforcement. but if you are asking me if i believe that everyone in the
system going back to 2007 and up until the president has a crystal ball, i do not. we could, for example, as the head of the f0 don my co-pay who has been in office since 2007. whether he had a crystal ball about this. we can ask various commissioners, many of whom i deeply admire. whether they had a crystal ball. i don't think it's fair to expect some level of perfect knowledge. but it's obvious looking at the actions taken here that this was someone who needed to be off the streets. it is also clear that he had a very lengthy criminal record, going back quite some time. >> reporter: what exactly did you charge him? speak of the charges have not been brought yet. this investigation is ongoing. i cannot tell you everything will charge but i could tell you some obvious ones. it's pretty obvious there should be charges of attempted murder. it's pretty obvious there should be charges of aggravated assault in the first degree. it's pretty obvious that there are some serious firearms charges, including the fact that he was a felon before he was handling this weapon.
there is drug involvement here. depending on how this investigation develops, it is very likely that there may be some drug charges. conspiracy, possibly even a conspiracy that encompasses more days on this one particular day. involving drug activity. an awful lot of these details are not available to us now. many of them may not even be available to police yet. there has been some collaboration and coordination between both federal and state authorities. there may be additional sources of information, as well. i am saying more than we usually say, because i understand the public wants to know more, and rightly so. but i would say that there would be a lot of charges. these are more than enough charges, so that mr. maurice hill may never exit jail. >> reporter: he had an attempted murder charge a little over a decade ago. what you know about that case? >> i don't, i don't specifically
know about that. we are starting to dig into the specifics of this case. in terms of having the original file, having reviewed it, i have not done that. >> reporter: the details about his criminal history, in particular the firearms violations, can they be found at all in any of -- >> this is also available to the public. at the u jf portal. but we see a lot of different types of charges. we see burglary charges, escape charges, we see peculiar charges like illegally taunting a police animal. we see resisting arrest. multiple charges for aggravated assault, for drugs, for dui, reckless endangerment of another person. traffic-related activity and driving-related activity. we see gun charges, a variety of different types. there is even a conviction on
perjury. there are charges relating to drugs in connection with guns. so it is quite an extensive criminal record. there's a robbery charge in here. i'm not saying every one of these resulted in a conviction, but there certainly have been a lengthy and extensive criminal record that includes many convictions in the state system. there is also a record in the federal system. i have not seen it, but i have been advised that the record in the federal system includes a lengthy prison sentence in federal prison for weapons. >> reporter: how many convictions are there, and how much time as he spent in prison? >> there are several. honestly, i don't want to give you all the specifics. there's been reporting and we can give the answer. i haven't bothered to itemize that. i can go through it here if you want but it's also available -- reporter mike what does that say about the system's ability or inability to handle a person with this kind of capacity for breaking the law?
>> well, i think what it says is that the system had multiple contacts with this man, and the system following its policy and its philosophy at those times did things that obviously did not stop this incident. i think it says that. i think it also is an illustration of what should be obvious, because it's obvious to us in medicine. it should be obvious in law. what a lot of us do in law enforcement is risk management. there will be, like it or not, occasions when there are bad results. the real measure of the police, for example, or others -- i don't even want to call people out -- but the real measure of all of us in law enforcement is not whether or not there's a bad outcome. they will be bad outcomes. the measure is, do you manage it better than other people managed it? >> reporter: to the of a contentious relationship police?
>> reporter: >> there was a time when i was on the phone. that makes way now that occurred. i don't believe it has an effect on this case. but it's certainly something we will have to look at what we have more information. mr. maurice hill, the one whose birthdate is april 26th, 1983, apparently was represented by shaka johnson, who is a known philadelphia county criminal defense attorney and has been around for some time. i was informed by mr. johnson, that he had represented mr. hill in the past. i received a call on my cell phone. it was probably about 9:00 p.m., and i returned it pretty quickly to mr. johnson. partly because i almost never get a call from mr. johnson. and i think i found when two years. i immediately realize the defense attorney wanted to reach me for a reason, having to do with the developing situation.
mr. johnson speaks to me, he tells me that the shooter, his name is maurice hill, that the shooter has been calling him. he's been on the phone with the shooter. that mr. johnson indicated he was trying to bring him a peaceful resolution. he, like everyone of us, didn't want to see anyone else shot at or injured in the course of this horrific event. he spoke to maurice hill on the phone and asked mr. hale if he wanted to talk to me. mr. hill was excess and concerns that he might be killed if he came out. concerns about what was going to happen to him when he came out, including the future. in terms of any possible case. mr. johnson patched me in and then we both spoke to maurice hill. who at that time, in my opinion, was in a very animated, excited, frankly dangerous stage. obviously, it was dangerous. emotionally he seemed to be, on
the one hand, reaching out to someone to try to end the situation without being killed. and also in a way that he would somehow find acceptable. on the other hand, he seems to be a man who probably of the other end was holding a gun, who as far as i knew still had hostages in the building, and it needed to be brought to a calmer place. i did what i could. i'm no hostage negotiator, i have no such training. neither is mr. johnson, nor does he. but we were doing what we could to try and lower the volume, to bring more calm about it, to get them to a more rational position. mr. johnson had a number of contacts that evening. not only with mr. hill, but also with the police commissioner. there were a number of contacts. i will go through all the details but they did come a point where i was at his district attorney's office late
in the evening and i was on a four way call with the police commissioner, mr. johnson, maurice hill, and myself. we were continuing various other efforts. in different ways, but with the same goal, which was to bring about a peaceful resolution so there would not be another officer having to go at a man who might shoot at them or hurt them or kill them. we had the miraculous moment of having all these officers shots, many of whom i visited, none of whom are facing a life-threatening injury, thank god. in the last thing we wanted was to come out of this was with officers going in to take in. somebody would start off over 100 rounds, to have them fired upon or, heaven forbid, killed or injured. the conversation continued. eventually, later in the evening, mr. johnson contacted me and indicated that he believed he could get maurice
hill to come out. >> harris: we are watching together -- there were some shocking details not. philadelphia district attorney larry krasner, still talking about what had gone on in north philly yesterday with possible criminal charges against a shooter who shot six police officers. all of them recovering from their injuries today, thankfull thankfully. that armed standoff that went on for hours and terrorized a community in north philly. we will continue to monitor this, and i will ask our team in the control room to listen in and in case anything else pops. let me tell you, so far -- melissa, let's tag team this -- potential charges was a very long list. the goal apparently is to have enough charges against him such that he never gets out. the two he had a long rap sheet that they explained before hand, included things like taunting a police animal. all the way up until robbery, drug charges, gun charges.
the most interesting thing we heard at the end was about the fact that there was an attorney that reached out to the district attorney we were just listening to, larry krasner, to say that he had the suspect on the phone. when the suspect was still barricaded in the building. they wanted to negotiate and talk before he came out. that's what he was its meaning that press conference, which i'm not sure is a detail we had before. >> harris: part of the detail, too -- and i want to quote the district attorney, krasner, saying this. "the system has had multiple contacts with this man. what was done apparently was not enough to stop this from playing out." that mr. johnson, the defense attorney who reached out to d.a. krasner late yesterday, said that he wanted to help negotiate with his client to a peaceful end to all of this. in and out of the system so much he felt like he could just call the d.a. and say, "put me in
with the negotiators." katie? >> katie: also said the mention i've been on the streets and he was an obvious danger to the public. any data rap sheet 27 pages long, both federal and state charges. clearly the judicial system failed the suspect and they are going to be questions about the judges and the d.a.s. the defense attorneys and the judges giving up sentences, letting out of prison early. >> harris: the fraternal order of police was on that list, too. people that krasner was pointing to. >> melissa: you can hear the frustration in his voice, as you have six officers shot or injured in this case, and this is somebody with such a long rap sheet. >> charlie: and a number of those charges were for gun violations. from my reading, i didn't find a single one that wasn't dropped by prosecutors in philadelphia. it's a massive failure of the city government. pt reports of leaked information on jeffrey epstein's autopsy raising new questions about his cause of death.
♪ >> harris: there are some brand-new big questions over the death of sex trafficker, alleged, jeffrey epstein. as details from his autopsy have been leaked. "the washington post" ran this headline. "autopsy finds broken bones and jeffrey epstein's neck, deepening questions around his death." a bone near his adam's apple reportedly was broken. that can happen in a suicide, but according to medical experts, it's also common in strangulation murders. here is dr. marc siegel. biko the hyoid bone being fract, other fractures in the net, make it more likely -- again, this is a percentage called -- more likely that it was a homicide than a suicide. >> harris: and there is this of the new york city chief medical examiner's office is reportedly seeking more information, which may include
videotape evidence of the jail always. that could establish whether anyone entered epstein cell during the night he died. regardless autopsy report. yesterday felt like people were conjecturing. there we are starting to get a drip drip dry above that. what does this tell you we should be focused on, charlie? >> charlie: for starters, there were some questions about this even before this development of the neck bones being broken. are there going to be other things that come up? who knows? but it really does underscore what a terrific mistake this was on the part of the prison. the fact that they allowed him to have access to things he had access to. >> harris: bed sheets and a bunk bed. >> charlie: the fact he was unmonitored. it all raises so many questions. i'm glad that william barr has
said they are going to get to the bottom of it and investigated. i think they do it very quickly and get answers to the american people. the idea that those victims are unable to confront their accused tormentor is a huge -- >> harris: that's interesting, because there was pushback on whether or not we get to the answers. they are looking at a number of coconspirators for women, at least. ghislaine maxwell, and some others we learned about in a brand-new lawsuit yesterday morning. katie, when you listen to what charlie is saying, it's one thing to thwart justice but all of a thing those victims and their statements, to be able to face the alleged perpetrator. >> katie: you think about how many of them there were. >> harris: and how young they were at the time. >> katie: how young they were, with their families have been there. reporters from florida were saying their families were harassed, run off the road, intimidated by epstein and some of his associates for trying to
expose what he was doing to underage girls. both in florida and on his island. so the bottom line is there has to be accountability in a number of different ways for the prison. because they allowed this to happen. with her it was suicide or something else, it still happen. for the victims who have gone through hell for a really long time crew deserve not only answers but about how this happened, but why they can't now get closure after years of trying to get this guy through the court system. to be when i was reading that epstein's legal team had commissioned this doctor, who we all know for many years leading back to o.j. simpson and the trial then. to stand watch over the autopsy. the full report is not quite out yet, but the drip drip is happening. >> charlie: when you consider how notoriously difficult these cases are to prosecute, the fact they had put together the number of people who have come forward and taken that incredibly
courageous step of saying, "i'm willing to say all the hard things that happen," the fact that they got the case that far makes it all the more upsetting that it just sort of falls through the cracks. >> melissa: forgive me for being skeptical about the idea that they will look at the tapes outside the cell and see if anyone went in or out. we already heard -- why were they not looking inside the cell of the time? that all of this went on? now, to introduce this idea into it that it's possible he was strangled, it undermined so much faith in the system. and i but we will never know. >> harris: leslie, getting to the bottom line of what happens in any facility is important. this is a federal facility where they sometimes park suspects for terrorism in manhattan. where el chapo guzman, cartel killer, was down the hallway awaiting sentencing the first couple days jeffrey epstein was in that jail cell.
not that they would share anything other than a pathway to get to where they were come all these days later we talk about potential video. why weren't those questions answered earlier on? >> leslie: i was agreeing, nodding with you when she was saying that. he was on suicide watch, tried to kill himself, take it off suicide watch. throughout our federal prison system there are two ways that's done. we have 24/7 surveillance. two, you have intervals of time that you don't tell the prisoner. he was taken off suicide watch, he was supposed to be there every 30 minutes. you come every 30, then 22, then 17, then 12. so the prisoner doesn't know when, because they could try to commit suicide within that time frame. speaking of the victims not having a voice, i am hopeful that because he is dead they feel they have to come out. we have one family suing already, the estate, due to a new law here. the child victims law that's been passed. have there will be others, so they are not silence.
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>> katie: fox news alert, a live look of the dow stocks looking to rebound after seeing their worst trading day of the year yesterday. we are in the green today at 78 points. the dow dropped 800-point yesterday in the red. this, as china threatens to retaliate if the u.s. goes ahead with a new round of tariffs set for september 1st. the president, for the first time, appearing to link the peace resolution of the hong kong protests to any trade deal pretreating, "i know president xi of china very well. he's a great leader who very much has the respect of his people.
he is also a good man and a tough business. i have zero doubt that if president xi wants to quickly and humanely solve the hong kong problem he can do it. personal meeting?" melissa, tell us where we are with the trade talks and how the diplomatic situation with hong kong plays into how the president is handling this. >> melissa: everybody's trying to think this through and guess ten steps ahead to what it can mean. to all of her own peril, because trying to predict what our president is going to do is really a difficult game. what one theory that was going around last night into this morning is this idea that all of this is putting a ton of pressure on president xi. if you couple that with the fact that yesterday we saw some data that industrial production within the country was down at a 17-year low, it piles on mountains of pressure on him to make a deal. there's also the idea that is that economy weakens and he see germany's economy we can as
well, another thing we saw yesterday, it kind of puts pressure on the president, as well. to call off a trade war. it makes him, as well, more likely to call an end to it or to want to make a deal with the weekend at president xi, because he does not want to see the u.s. slip into a recession. because everyone knows what happens to an incumbent president when there's a recession. the downdraft we saw yesterday was the initial panic. "oh, my goodness, the bond market is signaling we might be having a recession," and as people thought about it they thought, "wow, these two sides standing there so tough are getting a bit of a reality check and maybe they are more likely to make a deal and make this whole thing go away." >> katie: charlie, the president is asking for a calm and peaceful resolution, saying china and the president there can figure it out. the protests started as a result of china incurring -- violating the sovereignty of hong kong and trying to take people out of their when they had an agreement what can he do in terms of
dividing that line between diplomacy and continuing not the trade war but trying to get better deals for the farmers in america? >> charlie: it's interesting, before president trump weighed in on the hong kong situation, you heard these rumblings -- particularly from democrats, and some republicans -- but he's not taking a hard enough line in favor of the protests in hong kong. actually, what he was doing is i think he was probably sitting back and trying to think about the big picture. to think about, "how can i do this?" something that helps the hong kong but also helps with the trade deal. i think he calculates. this very well maybe a smart calculation. reaching out with an olive branch to president xi, and sort of giving him a pat of encouragement at a time right now could sort of allow him to save face and win a couple of
victories. who knows? the thing i love about it is it shows president trump at his finest, where he's the guy that goes after moby dick and a bottle of horseradish sauce before he gets on board. [laughter] there's no effort that he doesn't look out and say, "i can do that." >> harris: and poor horseradish sauce on that? i love that! i'm starving. >> katie: we've got to run but there are domestic issues that he's dealing with. the hong kong protests are dangerous for him in that way, as well. third times a charm. beto o'rourke the towns of another 2020 reset as he delivers a major address in his hometown of el paso. what he plans to do now and whether he has run out of chances. ♪ dishwasher. so what does the dishwasher do? cascade platinum does the work for you, prewashing and removing stuck-on foods, the first time. wow, that's clean!
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>> melissa: are you ready for beto 3.0? butter or worked looking to reset his 2020 campaign again, making a major address in his hometown of el paso, nearly two weeks after mass shooting there. the former democratic honest mincing the president's rhetoric is dividing the nation. >> until this president, who so openly speaks in racist terms,
who so openly favors one race, one religion, one kind of people in this country over every other kind of people in this country. >> harris: o'rourke's previous attempt at a reboot fizzled, with much of the discussion centering around -- you remember, that splashy "vanity fair" story from march. where he was recorded saying, "ma'am, i'm just born to be in it!" the candidate saying he regretted that. you think? >> there are things i've been privileged to do in my life that others cannot. i think it reinforces that perception of privilege. that headline that says i was born to be in this, in the article, i was attempting to say that i felt my calling wasn't public service. nobody is born to be president of the united states of america serve. least of all me. >> harris: john hickenlooper expected to call it quits. his message of moderation and
warning that socialism is the answer, failing to gain traction in the polls. first of all, i won't call anyone out by name, but the collective vomit sound when beto o'rourke -- i wasn't going to say he was doing it! [laughter] it was more than one person. >> harris: wasn't me! >> melissa: 3.0. >> charlie: the poor guy, he's had such an unprivileged life. he skated through that entire senate campaign, didn't get any love. give me a break. it's kind of funny to see how much of that was so undeserved. the praise he got. all because he was running against ted cruz. it is kind of funny to see him now. when all of that undeserved praise is gone, he doesn't know what to do. >> harris: i'm confused by when he does these resets why the very basic things and most of our lives get so much attention. like getting his teeth cleaned.
[laughter] i don't know if you saw the latest one. he was changing a tire. i'm not saying i do have every weekend, but my dad says, "you better know the basics, girl! you never know where you might need a different type of a job." i know he was a congressman for more than one term, but where i see been outside of washington where the basics count? >> charlie: that's the real problem. these people go to washington and develop a career in washington. they think that is proof or grounds for doing something better or higher were running for president. >> melissa: does he have any way to save himself at this point? he's become a little bit of a joke. [laughter] >> leslie: he can save himself by running for senate. he came within less than 3%. three percentage points in texas. you may want to laugh and talk about, "you were too busy gagging to hear him saying that he was! a couple things he does well.
i think it was dumb, the teeth cleaning. but the skateboard -- >> harris: your collar dolomite car breaks down, you're calling beto? [laughter] >> leslie: it's crazy, but i think he should run for senate. the people of texas love him and our loving in right now. especially after what has happened in el paso. he really does help rally the community and bring the community close together. >> melissa: i think is totally inauthentic. that he is a big fat phony. >> katie: i admit to rolling my eyes and sticking my tongue out, so charlie is not alone. [laughter] i will say, do not trust beto o'rourke to change her attire, because he did in a very dangerous way that can get killed. so don't listen to him and watch the video as a how-to. in terms of his electability in texas, it is the third time around. i think people are trying to move on. he has a lack of substance when it comes to these issues.
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>> katie: fox news alert, president trump tweeting out israel's decision to bar congresswomen ilhan omar and rashida tlaib, writing, "representatives omar and tlaib are the face of the democratic party and they hate israel." also, senate minority leader chuck schumer releasing a statement on israel's decision, reading, "denying entry to members of the united states congress is a sign of weakness, not strength. it will only hurt the u.s. israeli relationship and support for israel and america."
we are watching the story and will bring you any updates. now, back to the political action group, a packet, reacting with the street." "we disagree with the support for anti-israel and anti-peace bds movement along with representative tlaib's calls for one state solution. we believe every member of congress should be able to visit and experience our democratic ally, israel, first hand. charlie, the political implications of this are tough. israel was backed into a corner on this decision. what do you think about the new reaction? >> charlie: i think it's a little bit of an overstatement by chuck schumer. surprise, surprise. to suggest that this is going to hurt u.s.-israeli relations. i don't think it is. as i said earlier, israel can make its own decisions about the sorts of things. as far as the congresswomen, if something is going to be done about them, it has to be their constituents back home that ultimately do something. >> katie: leslie, because of israel's long-standing policy to deny entry to people who support
bds, if you think because these women are congresswomen that they should be given an exception? b5 absolutely. when you have aipac defending you, for crying out loud. you spoke about the constituents -- this does make a slap to the face of those who voted for these women. you have to remember, they are not just our allies. we give them millions, dare i say billions of dollars that come from the taxpayer. including the constituency of these two congressional members. being that there congresswomen, it's very different than if i was denied entry, trying to go to israel if i were to that organization. >> melissa: i think this is putting into everybody's politics. they love it, as you said, that this was the set up on their part against israel. but the president obviously living it, as well. he also put these two forward as the face of the democratic party. he adds, just to make it even more subtle, "and they hate israel." whatever it is. just make sure you understand if
you are a democrat these are democrats who are ostensibly at peace putting it against israel and jewish people. there is sort of the public face of the party, in his opinion. >> katie: charlie, a final thought here -- chuck schumer chuck schumer has advocated against bds calling it anti-semitic and has necessarily condemned to the support of that by these congresswomen. >> charlie: i think it's a problem within his party. as is represented by these congresswomen. chuck schumer, i don't think he's done anything to resolve it within the party. but it pales in comparison to a whole raft of problems within the democratic party. they are going to have to contend with that and deal with it between now and 2020. >> katie: leslie, final thought from you? >> leslie: i wouldn't disagree the democrats have a lot on their plate. and i get concerned about the centrist and moderates with the more left-wing squad members of the party. i hope you learned from our mistakes in 2016 and can unite
and take a page from the republican playbook and do that. >> katie: this feud is certainly not over. thank you for charlie hurt being here today. we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. now come up to harris. >> harris: as we come in on "outnumbered overtime," we will stay with this topic. the president has weighed in more than one study on israel's decision to bar democratic congresswomen ilhan omar and rashida tlaib from entering israel on a requested visit. representatives omar and tlaib are the face of the democratic party, and they hate israel!" also, senate minority leader chuck schumer released this statement on israel's decision, reading, "denying entry to members of the united states congress is a sign of weakness, not strength. it will only hurt the u.s.-israeli relationship and support for israel and america." we are watching the story, so you have the latest from the president and now more fallout from all of it. the political action gup