thank you all for watching. that's our last show for the year. thank you all for staying with us. we'll see you next sunday and next year when the next revolution will be televised. the nation outraged by videos

that went viral over the summer in new york city. they're dousing cops with water, milk and objects at the men and women in blue. in philadelphia, onlookers caught on tape taunting officers engaged in an active standoff with the gunmen who shot the policeman. >> what's driving all the. >> some say police are targeting them and it's become a national debate. tonight, we get into it. plus one man's inspiring journey to recover after being severely wounded in the line of duty. in this network exclusive he and his family are here to share their story. not all injuries from a job are visible to the eye. shocking statistics about depression, ptsd and suicide known as the silent killer among the rank and file.

the nationwide effort to protect those who have sworn to protect us. townhall america, police emergency, starts now. [applause] >> oh wow, what a great audience. our team and i have assembled some great people to be here. the national vice president of the fraternal order of police, the largest police union in america with more than 346,000 members nationwide, and new york state assemblyman michael petry, a republican who introduced legislation just in july that would make it a felony to attack cops with water or any other substance. john, thank you for being here.

i want to start with the very basic question. with so many that you lead, our police under attack? >> absolutely, one 100% we are under attack. there is a police officer shot in this country every 29 hours. we have had 241 police officer shot. that is a 24% increase from last year. and not just the violence against police officer, but we are seeing these violent incidents. in the nypd we had officers getting water in buckets thrown on them. there's been an increase in the injuries of officers. we have police officers in philadelphia responding to where their fellow brothers and sisters were shot in their being laughed at and screamed at. the responding to one of their brothers and sisters being murdered. this is happening all across

the country. just in houston the other day someone took an instagram post and pointed a gun at a police officer. it's completely disgusting. >> the things that are going viral are there for all to see and sometimes i know from talking with you, you feel it's part of a larger conversation that people are having, and anti- cop rhetoric. >> what you are seeing today, you are seeing the left wing radical democrats use them who are. [inaudible] they drive a wedge between the police and the communities they allegedly represent. it's disgusting. >> it's interesting because you wouldn't think of police officers necessarily as igniting anything political, but we are in such a politically charged environment and we have seen the current president tackle criminal justice reform. we are seeing democrats talk about it on the presidential trail, and in fact, just this weekend they were at a forum

and some of them were talking. here is bernie sanders from the weekend when he was asked by a young black man about how to deal with police officers. this is how bernie sanders answered. >> if i'm your son, what advice would you give me. >> i would respect what they are doing so that you don't get shot in the back of the head, i would be very cautious if you are my son in terms of dealing with that police officer, but also defend my rights and know my rights. >> that is tough. you meet so many. what you do with your police officer. >> let me first say bernie sanders is a complete joke. everybody in this room knows it and everybody crosses country knows it. they've got no shot at being the president of this united states. here's what he's doing. everybody answers to the community, build a bridge, there's people like bernie sanders who are tearing that bridge down on the other

you know the fact of the matter is, the statistics don't support things like bernie sanders are saying. there was a study of all fatal police shootings from 2015 done by michigan state university and university of maryland and 99% of the time the person that was shot was armed with a weapon and there was actually no racial bias involved. it's completely ridiculous that he would say something like this. >> the tough thing in all of this, i know that you have legislation we want to get to, but the tough thing is that there has been incidents in recent history, and i know you and i talked earlier on the phone about ferguson missouri. i want to get my take on where we are, but it takes everything. >> what we are seeing instead is that they're having politicians, instead of actually isolating a few incidents paid choose to denounce it as a whole and rather than recognizing these are men and women in the community.hing and that serve ad

protect their community. >> we have a lot of rank-and-file on the police, or rather police in the audience. ralph, i know you're right there. you have some strong feelings from the videos that went viral. >> they make me sick when we watch them. i feel it's because of the agenda and with politicians today in new york city and new york state, their letting cop killers out of jail, their changing laws, they're not enforcing policy, they're handcuffing the police, the city should be happy or the state to that they have men women that are willing to do this job, the train very well, they have great technology and they're willing to do their job but they're being handcuffed and blindfolded and not allowed to be police. they're worried more or less

of the effect, you do your job and you get fired. they don't want to lose their jet benefits and go to jail, they'll be sued. >> anything that either one of you wants to say to her audience member. >> there is absolutely an effect going on in law enforcement right now because we have police officers were going out there, doing the job every civil day, they're putting their lives on the line for the communities they love, and then they have their actions second-guessed at every step in what we really need are the leaders in law enforcement from across this country, and i'm talking about police chiefs to get off their asses and back the hard working men and women of law enforcement and pushback on the false narratives that have dominated the headlines for years. they need to step up to the plate. we need all hands on deck. >> when you and i spoke --dash. >> when you and i spoke earlier you mentioned the

ferguson effect. i want you to talk about that for just a second. >> we first talk about ferguson, let's make clear, that was a false narrative. hands up don't shoot never happened. obama's justice department said that. they cleared that officer of any wrongdoing. there was no hands up don't shoot, but it has carried on. that was not attacked right from the get go that that was a false narrative and now it's carried so every time there's a police involved shooting or use of force, of course it goes viral and there's journalists out there, and i pause to call them journalist because i'm not quite sure they are but what they do is they right-click bait headlines, they don't include all the facts alter paint law enforcement as a bad guy but it's completely ridiculous and it needs to stop. they need to have objectivity when they talk about police officers. >> before we go, your legislation, what is it and when is it. >> it criminalizes and makes it a felony to throw any substance on a police officer or peace officer. >> what was the tipping point

for you. >> what it comes down to is in order to restore stability in our society we cannot tolerate instability. when i saw these people, their dumping water on our officers which is damaging equipment and taking our officers off the street, that means our community are less safe. nobody wants that regardless of race, color, creed, it's a problem for anybody. >> gentling, think you so very much. assemblyman, vice president, think you. >> let's get everybody involved in a show of hands. how many of you in your studio feel the tension between police and their communities is at the highest level in decades? wow. we need to talk about this and i'm really glad you're all here. it's a word that keeps coming up on social media as you are chatting, taking your seats tonight, here in the studio, i

have heard you sing it, it is trust. one texas police department is looking to rebuild trust after one of its white police officers shot a black woman inside her own home. this raises questions about training and recruiting top-level talent. first an inspirational story of survival and perseverance. a police officer shot in the head by a burglary suspect. defeating the odds. they've traveled hear from missouri to tell america their story. as we had to break, prayer and memory. we remember the 33 men and women in blue killed by gunfire so far this year.

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in life one moment can change everything, that is if you even survive it. a police officer in missouri knows this all too well and i want you to know his incredible story of courage, strength and an unmatched will to survive.

>> they have responded. >> december 5 is when he was shot. >> officer o'connor was transporting a suspected burgla burglar. during the trip the suspect shot him in the back of the head. the bullet shattered the officer's skull and left this father of four hospitalized for what look like indefinitely. >> it's been really hard on the kids. it's really hard still, it's a big adjustment. [inaudible] in just a matter of weeks, he

managed to stand up on his own and if few more weeks he surprised his stepson by showing up at his high school graduation. eventually, all that hard work and faith paid off. little by little he began walking. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome ryan o'connor and his wife barbara. [applause] >> therefore sons are here and in studio we have aiden, 19.

gentlemen, thank you for being here. the brothers quinn and colin are eight and six. >> did you ever think this was where you would be on a night like tonight? >> no. i can't describe it. >> a long journey, i know, barbara, how did you find out what had happened. >> her two youngest sons and i had been out christmas shopping and we were actually driving in the town where ryan was working in the road was closed and i suddenly saw an ambulance and four police cars

turned directly in front of me and something in my heart told me it was him inside and when the road was closed a scented message and said please tell me you were okay and i didn't get a response. >> he survived, but your life has changed forever. you were in the hospital, you're still visiting centers across the country to get medical help. what is your journey now. >> every day is just a focus of living in the moment. it's something we learned through working with ryan that we have to be grateful for every minute. he does something spectacular almost every day, thankfully and were just grateful. we focus on everything. >> spectacular began a long time ago for you. you chose to protect and serve. why did you want to be an officer? >> it's okay, i know this is tough

it's just admirable and doing the right thing and all of the above. it's just chilling. >> i know you have your children with you and you have told me your journey to this point. what is something you would want to say to your boys at this point? >> thank you for sticking by us and for everything you do for us every day and keeping our family together. we are very proud of you. >> you were working with an organization and we have some pictures of the special home that they are building for you. if we pop those up, i want you to tell me about what is needed to get through this and

what kind of needs are being met across the country that you want to bolster and let other people know about. >> the foundation approaches when i initially received the phone call i thought was just for well-wishers and were thinking of you and your husband and your family and when they told us they wanted to build us a smart home for ryan, i was speechless. that journey and planning this home has been absolutely amazing. the things that they're putting into this home for ryan will help him regain his independence and give him back his dignity. every day the challenges he faces are things we take for granted. showering, grooming, making a meal, all things that we do every day without thinking about it. it's challenging for him in this will change that for him. >> at the end of the segment will give people some notes about what they can do to help. i do want to draw attention to this, those are the 33 men and women who have died in the line of duty in 2019 so we are scrolling that, by gunfire, i

should mention. i want to go back to aiden, something you would want to say to your dad. it's good to see you tonight boys. >> if i could say anything to ryan it's just that were proud of you and we couldn't ask for a better role model, myself included. he has been the person i have looked up to my whole life, that's what i've been in the police asked during program for five years now. he's just always been iraq in the family and to see him go through something so difficult but come out of it so strong, it's just inspiring and it motivates me to it have the same character he does. >> well. a legacy point of service. [applause] thank you for making the journey from arnold missouri. i should tell our audience, you started out or were

previously a police officer in ferguson missouri and then ferguson and arnold and continued service. >> thank you for being such a great example, both of you. your boys are lovely. you may want to know how you can make a difference so here that is. building homes for families of injured officers like the o'connors. go to gary finney foundation.org. when townhall america returns, healing the great divide between those who served and citizens. ♪

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sentenced to ten years for killing a black man inside his home. she says she mistook for her own place. those incidences are now raising for questions about training and other police department's are having trouble recruiting top-level talent. joining me now, andrew holmes, community activist, darren former police lieutenant and communal justice professor. gentlemen, great to have you tonight. let's start with the lack of trust and what drives that. i will start with you. >> the police and community relationship should be symbiotic, not separated. the community is just as a portent as the police. we need to devise strategies that work for that community that the police department is serving. we look at the situation that happened recently in texas, for example, it does set forth a black eye but the truth of the matter is that that's a very minute component of what the officer engagement is on a regular basis.

hundreds of thousands of engagements between police and community occur and no one ever sees it. all we see is whenever something goes wrong with police and the truth of the matter is we are getting better at this but granted, professional development is something that should be ever so evolving in the process. harris: that's a very balanced look at it. now understand why you go into communities and you do the same thing. what are you seeing that is working and what does the process need to build trust? you come from chicago and the murder statistics there are rough. >> first and foremost, the trust has to be there with all law enforcement from the detectives on down but at the same time there's a lot of distrust because once the officers on a shooting or on a murder cross the tees and dot the eyes and put the paperwork there to the states attorneys office in the state attorney slaps those officers paperwork in the face and throws it back in the community is upset well, we gave

you the information about our loved one. we gave you the footage. we know who killed them. the but if the cases are not there the committee is upset because they feel the detectives have not done the work but it's not the detective but it's the states attorneys that has to protect our law enforcement across america and stand by them. if they put that paperwork in. harris: that's interesting. that's around and around you go in a circle. you and i spoke earlier so i will knit that together a little bit. you said part of the problem is people then stop helping cops because they figure what would the point b to turn in my neighbors because you say often they know who's doing the crime. >> all the time. they know who is doing the crime but some have lost their life even after they testified, states attorney has to step up and protect them. if the officer gives his word or detective gives his word then we have to protect them and we will relocate you but if that trust is not there from the states attorneys office to protect

those law-enforcement officers then what do you have? nothing. harris: again, i don't want to get too much into politics but i'm looking at demographic of the people serving in the state of illinois and you have the toughest gun laws. i know that is part of the conversation too. darren, i see a thought bubble above your head. >> when you speak to gun laws, gun control laws, new york city los angeles, chicago had the toughest gun laws in the country but look at the extreme violence that you have with gun violence. it is absolute - gun control is not working in those places. you're taking the guns from the good people but when we go back to the public trust between police and communities i can't speak to what happens in chicago but what i do know is departments try to maintain a level of transparency as much as possible so citizens can understand and accept these police officers are here to help. look at body cameras, for example for that is not

transparency, i don't know what is. truth of the matter is these body cameras have in many instances shown officers have done what they are supposed to do because in the past many times we seek body camera and cell phone footage that shows only a snippet of what happened but these body cameras are showing what happened in the beginning, middle and end. that is the narrative that is clearing officers as we move forward. harris: i see a lot of heads nodding. i want to get a quick show of hands, are you feeling what he's putting down? joe is still here from the fraternal order of police vice president. is there something you would like to say to a guest? >> no, absolutely they hit the nail on the head. we have activist djs and judges in this country and in our major cities with kim albright in houston, kimmy fox in chicago, mosby in baltimore, for whatever reason - i would think the left and right could agree on this they are not prosecuting gun crimes. they are giving a sweetheart deals to folks that are called

caught with firearms and committing aggravated robberies but in houston alone we have dirt bags that are victimizing the hard-working people of our communities? that's the type of gun control we. harris: it is interesting. andrew, he's giving you part of the same argument you're saying that this is a top-down thing almost on a justice side. that is what i'm hearing and the point of agreement. when you go into communities in chicago what do tell people? >> first and foremost, when the case is not solved and they're upset about it why it's not solved with the police are not doing i tell them stop, go right to the states attorneys office where it's being thrown back at them. sometimes you've got 12 offenders and their on parole and they want out of bond court. there's a problem and a mistrust and not too much of a mistrust with the community but mistrust

with the states attorneys office. at one point you go in there for state attorneys are standing on what they got, fax, truth and that's it. harris: where is josh? current police officer to the seat you. i understand you got reaction to the fort worth shooting and you say officers are not being defended, even separate from that case overall, that they need more advocacy. how so? >> absolutely. every crime is a tragedy, not every tragedy is a crime. what happened in fort worth is one 100% a tragedy. when officer dean went to that house irregardless of how an untrained civilian called that in he went to what he believed was a burglary scene. 2:30 a.m. open door, everyone who has worn a shield would say the same thing. he gets there and see the house in disarray now it's stepped up and we definitely think there's a burglary scene. even if you disregard or disagree with the tactics, by

his own department's general orders he followed what he was supposed to do. fort worth's own general order say every open door to be treated as a silent alarm in the officer's first job is to search for avenues of escape before he searches the interior of that building. now he goes around the side of what again, he believed is a burglary scene, he's met with somebody inside that home pointing a gun at him. everybody here again that wears a shield would address that threat the same way. before any of the facts came out his chief was in front of a microphone saying that his officer had no right to respond that way. that he would fire him even if he is not arrested. now, if were in a world now where uniformed police officer addressing a gun being pointed at him is a murderer, how is any active police officer supposed to go out and do their job?

harris: let's give that to darren. >> whenever we look at an officer involved shooting, so to speak, the due process, i don't think i know due process is a natural order of how things should plan out, when we look at this particular instance i don't believe due process fully rolled out. public in - excuse me, people determine that this officer was in the wrong. in essence this officer was guilty in the court of moral turpitude, it's just far more copperheads of the net and the individual needs to stand in front of a court of law and his side should come out and the sides of the opposing counsel should come out but in addition we have a diminished rated trial in a criminal trial. we need all of the facts to come out before we can convict this officer in a court of public opinion. harris: i see you nodding so i know you're talking to each other. that is what this is all about for us to get down to the nitty-gritty of those tough decisions and journeys for gentlemen, thank you. andrew and darren, so glad to

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♪ harris: police officers don't only face danger on the street but they suffer silently with depression and ptsd but are afraid to ask for help. in fact, more police officers died by suicide than in the line of duty apart this year, 163 officers nationwide have taken their own lives. blue lives matter held a vigil in new york city last month.

we sent our cameras. ten officers have committed suicide this year. top brass at the nypd are calling it a crisis, and epidemic. with me now cedric alexander a clinical psychologist who counseled police and a former chief and two major cities in america. retired nypd lieutenant commander joe cardinale who personally knows five officers who have taken their own lives. doctor, i will start with you. why is this happening? >> it's a barrage of reasons. one thing we know for certain you can ask many women in this room when you think about policing a typical policing day in america the trials and the level of stress they have to endure when they go out on calls for service one thing that is critically important for us to take into account when we start thinking about start talking about more now than ever,

suicide as it relates to police officers is that talking about human stressors. each time you go to a call after call you are exposed to incidents that the average person are never exposed to. your exposed to those incidences on a daily basis. in addition to that talking about plays officers who are just like all of us, everyday people who decided to become police officers. they have mortgages in children to put through college and their own personal issues going on. one thing we cannot overlook in all of this because there's so many variables that lead to this is the fact that some of us in our general population, in this country, already disposed to depression anyway so that becomes an issue. harris: joe, before i continue deputy nypd commissioner currently in leadership has this to say to any officer who may be feeling depressed. >> my message for them is to come forward.

don't believe the stigma. you can have a productive career if you come forward. we will help you and do it in a confidential manner but we will help you get on your feet and look forward to you being promoted whether wanted to a detective or through civil service and you can have a very productive career with us at the nypd. harris: so important to get that message out from the commissioner's office. why is that? what is happening? >> good to get the message out but how it reaches the troops is another matter. the cops today as the good doctor said are under so much pressure and i can speak for new york city. ten is astronomical, as far as i'm concerned but one is too many. people reaching out for help that is stigma still there, no matter what you say or how you lays it stigma is still there. let's go back to the locker room. let's go back to the units in that many people working in a close and tight knit locker room and joe is here in the next day

where is joe and he's not here but they took his gun away and he's getting psychological help. it's still a stigma no matter how you look at it. but how to address it? the hell is there but for the people i know who committed the suicide we can't put rhyme or reason to it. at least three officers i cannot put a rhyme or reason to it, nor the friends we knew. harris: kristen clifford is in the audience and her husband killed himself in may 2013, i wonder if - she is with us tonight and i wonder if you could say a quick word. >> yet, my husband steven clifford, police officer with the nypd, died by suicide, 2017 but we had no idea he was struggling he was the happy guy, joking, he loved his job. he had something deep inside him that he was dealing with and was

afraid to come forward. he would not talk to anybody because of the stigma. i was afraid - even after it happened to talk about it. there is still that stigma attached to it and again we can tell everyone to come forward but until we change the culture and change the policies and make it a more normal thing they will continue to struggle and we need to make it easier for them to talk about it and say it's okay. harris: i'm so sorry for your loss rate we are watching police officers deal with mounting homelessness and support inviting terror and domestic violence situations and calls that can be so predictable as you say, doctor alexander, so much pressure on them. judgment, thank you so very much for it and sorry for the loss of your colleagues. >> thank you. harris: there is help. it is anonymous. just reach out to. if are an officer in crisis call

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♪ [applause] harris: we know him as tv superman but in real life actor dean cain wears a different kind of uniform. last year he was sworn in as a reserve police officer in saint anthony, idaho. i did not know that. he teachesnline

predators and works to make school safer. he says when loud public sentiment turned against law enforcement he had to do one thing to show his support. here now, my friend, actor and reserve police officer, dean cain. great to have you connect thank you. [applause] harris: >> let me say what a wonderful thing were doing with these real-life heroes because these are real heroes and i played one on tv and you all are real life heroes. you have my utmost respect. thank you for doing this. harris: absolutely. it's so important. i know you stepped up, you took your task force to a small town in idaho and why are you doing this? >> you hear all this public sentiment against law enforcement. i've heard that in the last two years and it blew my mind. i know so many people who are first responders, law-enforcement, military, heroes and people in this room are heroes and should be

respected and supported and i wasn't seen at ande you call when you have a problem? they called 911 and they will show up whether you were happy with them or supporting them or not but they show up and do their job and they are heroes. i felt like i needed to step up and lead by example and i was happy to put on the badge. harris: i want to ask the audience, who among you in the audience would be willing to share a story about why you joined the police force? anybody? okay. one factor. your name. >> james. harris: hello, james. >> when i was a young man i reckon eyes how the community respected the police and my family was respectful of the police. harris: dean, anything you want to say to that gentleman over there. >> i feel the same way as you, sir. i have great respect for law enforcement and it was drilled into me from being a young man. i wanted to make sure my son has

that same exact respect for law-enforcement. you see somebody on the street, in a coffee shop, goes up and shakes her hand and says thank you. i appreciate you keeping a safe and i and q for your service as opposed to denying i'm getting a cup of coffee and a starbucks bread that is insane to me. it's that respect that was instilled in me as a young man and hopefully we pass it onto the next generation. harris: you travel all over the world and are supportive of the military as well but as you look at america and you have been in that squad car in idaho what you see? >> first of all, when you travel outside the united states and a lot of people within the united states don't do that you realize how good we have it here. this is the greatest country in the world barn on by a long shot. the right and freedoms we have here you don't have those in other countries. i just got back in from being over seven weeks in the country and i wanted to kiss the ground for it what i do but i wanted to

kiss the ground to be back here in america. i hear much more support on the street in talking to people then you see in the media. i think there's tremendous support for our law enforcement in there should be and i will do my little part to keep the good word going. harris: i know you are optimistic and i am optimistic too and hope we got into a place where we can continue to talk about these things. in small town america the suicide rate is also rising among police officers but we need to start to talk to each other. i'm glad you are here tonight and it was great to see you get sworn in and take that step. thank you so much. >> honored. harris: this hour is especially important to me as a military brat. 19% of police officers in america are military veterans. i don't know if you knew that but i know what it's like to have a parent serving his nation when people doubt politics as a necessity of war. he served in vietnam but i also know why they do it.

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