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exclusive. then, president trump changes tactics as the white house tries to get a handle on the virus. >> it will probably, unfortunately, get worse before it gets better. >> as states reimpose restrictions and hospitals fill to capacity, we'll discuss the latest with former cdc director dr. tom frieden. plus -- >> i'm announcing a surge in federal law enforcement into american communities plagued by violent crime. chris: violence spikes in major cities, and the add beefs up the federal presence on the ground -- the administration beefs up the federal for presenn the ground. we'll talk with kansas city's mayor about what his city needs from washington. and the president cancels his convention acceptance speech in florida over virus concerns. we'll ask our sunday panel how both campaigns can generate momentum in the home stretch. all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪

chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. in 100 days, americans head to the polls amid a pandemic and economic uncertainty. the numbers tell a grim story. this week the u.s. surpassed 4 million cases and nears 150,000 dead. and 1.4 million americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits. in a moment we'll talk with treasury secretary steven mnuchin about when the white house and congress will agree on a new relief plan to keep the u.s. economy afloat. but first, david spunt traveling with president trump in bridge water, new jersey, with the latest on those negotiations. david. >> reporter: hi, chris. the president spent his weekend here in new jersey meeting with friends and supporters, but his economic team stayed in

washington working to make a deal. this weekend a gut punch for millions of out-of-work americans as their last $600 weekly pandemic unemployment benefit checks went out. >> pass the bill and get the checks out there to the people who really need it. >> reporter: white house chief of staff mark meadows and treasury secretary steven mnuchin spent saturday in talks. senate republicans reportedly want unemployment checks to drop to $200 a week along with $16 billion for covid testing and $105 billion for schools. democrats want checks to stay at $600 a week while including rentallal and mortgage assistance -- rental and mortgage assistance. >> what are we doing here if we are not addressing the needs of people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own? >> the president pushed for a payroll tax cut, but democrats and some republicans nixed it. the deadline comes as the president canceled his rnc acceptance speech planned for next month in florida, a

reversal from six weeks ago when the speech was moved to florida because north carolina officials said no to a big crowd. >> i'll still do a convention speech in a different form. >> reporter: and overnight more unrest in cities. in seattle authorities arrested more than two dozen people. in neighboring portland, oregon, they're preparing to mark 60 straight the nights of unrest. as for the covid relief money, the chock is ticking as -- clock is ticking as millions of americans grow anxious and the august recess looms. chris? chris: david spunt reporting from bridgewater, new jersey. david, thank you. joining us now, treasury secretary, steve mnuchin. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you. it's good to be with you. chris: house democrats passed their bill fully two months ago, but here we are the last week in

july, and the white house and senate republicans still can't agree on just a gop package. meanwhile, a federal ban on i instructions ran out yesterday -- evictions ran out yesterday, federal unemployment benefits ran out on friday, and the last checks have already gone out, expect payroll protection program for businesses is running out early next month. here's senate democratic leader chuck schumer. >> they have been so divided, so discuss organized, so unprepared that they have struggled to even draft a partisan proposal within their own conference, they can't come together. chris: won't millions of americans and millions of businesses pay the price because the white house and senate republicans can't get your act together? >> well, chris, first let me say i think that's an unfair characterization. the administration and the senate republicans are completely on the same page. mark meadows and i were up yesterday just working on teg call issues in the -- technical

issues in the drafts. we had previously agreed on all these issues earlier in the week. we want to move forward quickly. the bill will be introduced monday x we're prepared to act quickly. this is all about kids and jobs. this is our focus, and we want to make sure something gets passed quickly so that we deal with the i unemployment and all the other issues, paycheck protection plan if, tax credits to rehire people and money for schools. chris: but, but mr. secretary, the plan was supposed to be announced on wednesday, then thursday, now it's next week. and it's two months after the democrats came up with their plan, and now you're going to have to start negotiating with democrats now that you have a republican plan. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said friday hopefully we can come together behind some package we can agree on in the next few weeks. and here's white house chief of staff mark meadows. >> we're trying to make sure

that we hit the immediate needs first and then continue to negotiate perhaps throughout most of august until we get something finished. chris: so do you have a gop plan that will be announced tomorrow, and then what are laid-off workers and what are struggling businesses supposed to do while you spend, as the white house chief of staff just said, until sometime in august negotiating with democrats? >> well, let me first say we do have an entire plan. it's a trillion dollars. and let me just remind everybody that of the $3 trillion we've already passed, we have about a trillion to trillion and a half still left to put into the economy. so these are very, very large amounts of money working with congress toport this. to support this. and what mark meadows was saying is that within the trillion dollar package there are certain things that have time frames that are a bigger priority. so we could look at doing an entire deal, we could also look

at doing parts. so, obviously, the most pressing issues are the fact that we have unemployment insurance running out. we need to make sure that we don't have frivolous lawsuits for schools and universities. we want to make sure with the expiring unemployment insurance we have the technical fix so people don't get paid more to stay home than they do to work. and we can move very quickly with the democrats on these issues. we've moved quickly before, and i see no reason why we can't move quickly again. and if there are issues that take long, we'll deal with those as well. chris: but, mr. secretary, you know because nancy pelosi has made it very clear she's not going to agree to a piecemeal plan because the things that you want immediately are the things that you want, and there are things they want, and they're not going to agree to some things until everything agreed to. let's focus, if we can, specifically on the unemployment benefits because that seem to be

the big holdup certainly among republicans. finish the plan that is just running out now provided a federal unemployment benefit on top of state unemployment benefits. a federal benefit of $600 a week. you're saying that's too much. how much do you plan to reduce it and why? >> well, chris, just remember when we did the last plan -- and let me say, you know, when you talk about piecemeal, this will be the fifth set of legislation. so there's no reason why we can't have number five, six and seven as we need to deal with issues. and, obviously, anything we do we need bipartisan support. but as it relates to unemployment insurance, we knew there was going to be large unemployment. we had a tech the call issue with the -- technical issue with the states in the how they were going to be able to do this, so we picked a number that on the average looked okay. but what we've seen is now that we want to have the technical

correction, and we want to have something which pays people about 70% wage replacement which i think is a very fair level. it's not a fixed number. it's something that pays you a percentage of your wages that are lost. and let me just say, people thought we'd have 40 or 50 million people unemployed. the good news is we never got anything like that. matter of fact, we've created and brought back an enormous number of jobs. so all these different pieces have to work together whether it's the paycheck protection program or whether it's the direct payments we send on whether it's the money to school. all this works together. so ui is just a component of the overall economic package which everybody wants the same thing which is let's get kids back to school where it's safe, and let's get workers back to their jobs. chris when i did my interview with president trump last week, he said that he might veto a bill that did not include a payroll tax cut.

that now is gone from all the discussions. finish why did the administration cave on that so quickly? >> well, in our conversations with pelosi and schumer, it was very clear that the democrats were not going to give us a payroll tax cut. so that's something the president will come back and look at later in the year. chris: but, but, sir, if i may, if i may just briefly, it wasn't just democrats. there were a number of republicans who rejected this. i want to put them up on the screen. some of the top republican leaders in the senate, john thune, john cornyn, chuck grassley, the head of finance, they all said they had no interest in that as well. you got blowback not just from democrats, but some top republicans as well. >> there were other republicans that supported it. and let me just say again, we know we need bipartisan support. we have tax credits we put in here to incentivize people to get back to work and small businesses to hire people. we have the direct payments. and as you know, the direct payments are a much quicker way

of effectively giving everybody a tax cut. and it's much quicker than the payroll tax cut. chris: meanwhile, 32 -- you say we don't have 40 million unemployed, we do have 32 million people up employed, and more people applied for jobless benefits last week, 1 is.4 million -- 1.4 million, than had applied the week before. meanwhile, we're seeing this surge in the virus and more and more states are either delaying or actually rolling back some of their reopenings. isn't this going to have an effect on the recovery? and is there a possibility of a double-dip recession? >> well, chris, let me just point out as you said, you know, we got to 30, we never got to 40 or 50. that's a huge difference, and we've created almost 10 million jobs since then. so we are in a very different situation. there are parts of the economy that are doing very well.

there are parts of the economy that aren't. there are places like new york and new jersey which were very big problems at the time, have recovered significantly, and there's other areas where there's an issue. so, yes, we are going to put more money in the economy. we want to support workers, small business, kids going back to school. and those are our priorities. chris: gdp numbers will be released from the second quarter on thursday, and the atlanta fed is projecting that the gdp number for the second quarter nationally will not be the +1 or 2 or 3% that we normally see, but instead for the second quarter will be something like -33%. one, is that what we should expect to see, a contraction of the economy by a third in the second quarter? and secondly, if it's anything like that, why would you want to cut back on the $600 stimulus payments, the unemployment

benefits? because there are projections that even if you cut it to around $200 -- which is, basically, what i think you're talking about with a 70,. 75% of wages -- there are estimates that that's going to cost millions of jobs. >> well, chris, we always said the second quarter was going to be a very bad quarter. again, that's not for economic reasons, that's for health reasons. we literally shut down the entire economy. and i think as we've said we expect the third quarter, the consensus is 17% gdp. i might just also comment on june retail sales were 1% higher than june of last year. so all that money we pumped into the economy, it worked. people went out and spent. and on the, you know, as it relates to the unemployment insurance, again, i think workers and americans understand the concept that you shouldn't be paid more to stay home than to work, that the fair thing is

to replace wages. and it just wouldn't be fair to use taxpayer dollars to pay more people to sutt home than -- to sit home than they would get working and get a job. chris: secretary mnuchin, thanks for your time. always good to talk with you, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: up next, the u.s. continues to see near record numbers of new coronavirus cases every day. we'll talk with the former head of the cdc about the continued spread and new guidance for reopening schools. ♪ ♪ still fresh...

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♪ ♪ chris: as covid cases continue to spike across the sun belt, health experts are warning americans to change their behavior to clamp down on the spreading virus. finish joining us now, former cdc director dr. tom friedening. doctor, let's start with schools because your old agency, the cdc, put knockout new guidance this -- out new guidance this week that emphasized the importance of in-class education for students and also downplayed the risk of young people, children in school, either getting or transmitting the virus. is that the right message to sending out to parents? -- to be s&p sending out to parents? >> chris, it's really a question of leveling with people, being straight about what we know and what we don't know. one thing we know is that kids are way, way less likely to get seriously ill from covid, about a thousand times less likely than older adults x. in -- and n

addition, the severe i think of covid is fairly similar to the severity of a seasonal influential a for kids. but that's just one part of the equation. what about the staff, what about the teacher, what about people in the homes of kids, grandparents and others, that those kids could infect. so one thing the guideline says is if the risk in the community is low, you may be able to operate the schools safely. but the bottom line is any community can open schools. the hard part opening them and keeping them open. and only a community that both controls can covid and opens schools carefully is going to be able to do that. chris: i want to pick up though on the second part which we didn't, you didn't quite touch on. how clear, you talk about that the science seems to be pretty clear about the risk to children of getting the virus and what the effects will be. how clear is the science about the risk of children, particularly older children over 10, transmitting the virus?

>> so here there's more uncertainty. kids appear to be somewhat less likely to get with infected than adults, so there's different ed on that from different -- evidence on that from different parts of the world, and kids may be less likely to spread the virus to others, but there's very little evidence about that. and some of the science, some of the virus studies suggest that older kids, 10, 12 and up, behave a lot like adults in their ability to spread the disease. we don't know for sure. what we do know is that if you have a lot of covid in the community, you're going to have a lot of covid in the school. chris: i want to put up two charts and get you to comment on them. let's put up the first chart. first, a huge spike in new cases. as you can see from the yellow line, they are almost double where they were during the earlier spike in april, that big increase over there on the right side of the screen. and then let's look at deaths from the virus virus.

that's now the yellow line. as you can see from this yellow line, they went down dramatically from the peak in april, but now they're back up to more than 1,000 deaths a day. dr. frieden, where are we at this point with this virus, and why do you say -- as you did, i think, this week -- that this pandemic is going to be with us, quote, for years? >> well, the virus clearly has the upper hand in the u.s., and what we're learning around the world is it doesn't go away. unless you're an island and able to keep it out entirely, the best case scenario is a community that rapidly finds cases and rapidly stops them and prevents the kind of explosive spread that we have in the u.s. it's really clear that there's a lot of spread in bars, probably a lot of spread in indoor dining in restaurants. so really we've got a choice, do we want to close the bars and probably the indoor dining and

give our kids a chance to learn in person in the fall or not? that's our choice. and in the northeast, basically we've made that choice. cases remain low, and if it keeps low, we'll be able to start some form of in-person schooling in many communities in the fall. chris i want to talk about -- chris: i want to talk about the u.s. in terms of this international approach. i'm not talking about a country like new zealand which is to very different. some countries were able to flatten the curve and keep it really low, including some countries in europe. where does the u.s. stand, compare with other big industrialized nations in terms of its handling of the pandemic? >> well, i'll be frank, we are a laggard. we are one of the top in the world in terms of the cumulative death rate. unlike many other countries that have high death rates, ours continuing to increase. we're continuing to have many new deaths. and, chris, one of the things that concerns me most is that we're not on the same page.

my group looked at all 50 states, what's on their web site, and most of the essential information isn't there. every person in this country should be able to know very easily what's the risk in my community and how well is my community doing bringing that risk down so i and my family can be safer? to do that, we need simple things like not how many tests are being done. that's a useless number. how many tests are being done that come back within 24 and 48 hours. that's important. and we need to know things like of the cases that were diagnosed today, how many of them were isolated within 48 author hours, 72 hours? because that's how you stop trains of transmission. -- chains of transmission. how many have been warped and entered quarantine so they didn't spread it to others? we can do that here also, but we need to be on the same page, we need to focus on measurements that matter. we need to make those publicly

available and hold all of us accountable for improving our performance so to we can get our economy back, get our kids to school and save tens of thousands of lives because that's what's in the balance. chris: now, you have been very critical of what you call national leadership. there was a dramatic change that i think all of us noticed in the president's approach, his talk about the virus this week after spending weeks talking about how the virus was going to disappear. he took a much more sober and some would say realistic approach this week. take a look at the prime minister. >> some areas of our country are doing very well, others are doing less well. it will probably, unfortunately, get worse before it gets were b. something i don't like saying about things, but that's the way it is. chris: how much did the president's months of a different approach, some would say his months of denial, hurt our national ponce to the

pandemic -- response to the pandemic, and how much of a difference could this new approach if the president keeps it up and weaponizes it, mobilizes it, how much of a difference could that make going forward? >> it's really important we all get on the same page. there's not going to be one solution to this pandemic, can we need to level with peoplement we don't have enough tests so we have to prioritize them. we don't have enough protective equipment for health care workers, so we need to safely reuse and use more of the routinely-reusable equipment. and if and when a vaccine comes, we're going to have to face difficult decisions about who gets it first, how confident are we in its safety, how quickly will it be available. one of the things that has hammered us is this idea that one thing is going to stop this. no one thing going to stop it. we're here for a while. but we're in it together, and if we unite in our efforts against it while keeping physically apart, we can get our lives and livelihoods back. chris: i want to puck up on this

question of vaccines, and i've got about a minute here, dr. frieden. there's a lot of talk and a lot of optimism now about two dozen different vaccines and that they're a all entering the third stage of trials and, you know, that they all are looking good. realistically, how optimistic are you that we are going to get a vaccine, what's the earliest roadway listic time frame we would get that, and will that -- when we do get a vaccine, will that end the pandemic threat here in the country? >> well, first, we have to see if they work. and there's encouraging news that some of them might. second, we have to make sure that they're safe, and we cannot cut any corner on safety. and third, we have to make sure we can get them into people's arms, and that means insuring there's trust. chris, there are two crucial things to watch here. there is an fda and a cdc public advisory committee. the fda determines whether to approve the vaccine, the cdc

approve -- the acip, it's called -- who should get it and when. those two bodies are open, transparent, they're open to the public, there are no secrets here. it's very important that we maintain and increase trust in this whole process or people are going to be confused, concerned, and they're not going to take the vaccine. but even with the -- chris: real quickly, what is -- [inaudible conversations] realistically? realistically, what's the soonest that we might see a vaccine widely available? >> well, you might see signals that the vaccine is protected sometime in the fall, announcements from companies they can make a lot of it, but between knowing it's safe, effective and available, that's going to be sometime next year in all likelihood, if we're fortunate. chris: dr. frieden, thank you. thanks for talking with us. we appreciate your straight talk. please come back, sir. up next, as american cities see a rise in violation, this

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to keep a number of homicides in kansas city in 2020 below 1 is 00, but -- r -- 100 but here we are till in july, and kansas city has already seep more than 100 murders. how bad is the homicide problem in your city, and how do you explain it? >> you know, i think there's a significant challenge in kansas city and a number of american cities that actually started hong before black lives matter protests, long before covid-19 where we have an increase in homicides, more activity relating to all legal gun trafficking in our communities and enhanced and increased gang activity. so it's a very significant challenge, one which we have been very honest about with federal officials, our governor and others in saying we want to find a multifacetedded approach to how to address it. we recognize just more patrols isn't necessarily the way. chris: do you think that the covid-19 expect reaction to the george floyd killing -- and the

reaction to the george floyd killing and anti-police feeling in communities, that that has added to the homicide pop in kansas city and other urban centers? >> you know, i do not think it has, and actually i was pretty frustrated this week. the president at his press conference mentioned the george floyd protests, the black lives matter movement, mentioned an anti-police sentiment as the reason for an increase in shootings and homicides. that is not the case in kansas city. we've had year-over-year increases. we've had positive relationships in years past with the department of justice in collaborative programs and, frankly, what we needed help on is actually clearing some of the up solved murders. unsolved murders as distinct from protests. so i think where you see the activities of federal agents in portland, places like seattle as well, that's credit respectal whereas here in kansas city we can just use help solving our murders that have happened this year, 39% of which are currently up cleared. chris: i want to puck up on

exactly that because this week president trump and attorney general barr announced they had sent 200 more agents to kansas city and are sending hundreds more to other cities like chicago and albuquerque. but your response to the, to all of this -- or at least one of your responses -- is you complain that you learned about operation legend, as this is called, on twitter. i can understand that maybe that's not the best way to communicate, but shouldn't you -- given the problem of homicides in kansas city -- be embracing an increase in the number of officers who are going to do just what you said, work on unsolved cases, work on gangs, work on illegal guns in your center? >> yeah. and let me make sure i get the record clear. our local u.s. attorney contacted my office the day before the white house press briefing and said would you like federal sport. typically, we work with federal agencies all the time. the question is what type of support is it.

and when we heard from the press secretary in a press conference -- no heads up on the nature of the operation, the scope and how long there was supplies there. i would put it this way, yes, would we like help solving a violent crime? absolutely. if you have a serial killer in your city. but do you want a thousand agents with the state of kansas? the answer to that would be now. there's a lot in between. so what i'm saying and particularly other democratic mayors around the country are saying let's have a targeted focus on solving murders, not just doing a citywide warrant check of every individual possible. we're in a fairly tense situation with how we police right now in america. and is just, i think, pouring fuel on the fire and stoking division which is what the white house, the attorney general, i think, in their statements have done is not helping us actually get more people to trust the police and want to talk about folks that are picking up arms and killing people in kansas city. chris: let me pick up on this, mayor, because it seems to me

part of the problem with all of this is there are politics on both sides. here's president trump this week talking about operation legend, and then here chicago mayor lori lightfoot reacting. take a look. >> the effort to shut down policing in their own communities has head to a shocking explosion of shootings, killings, murders and heinous crimes of violence. this bloodshed must end, this bloodshed will end. >> the president is trying to divert attention from his failed leadership on covid-19. chris: mayor, i understand we're in the middle of a heated campaign, but as it's constituted with federal agents coming in, fbi, dea, atf, to work in joint task forces with local police, isn't operation legend good for the people of kansas city and good for the people of chicago and other cities?

>> i think if you listen to recent statements from myself, from mayor lori lightfoot, from mayor keller in albuquerque, we have all said we are happy to work with federal agents in a limited scope. i think the president's rhetoric often part of the problem in terms of what we're seeing in cities. if you have a press conference where you say the cities have failed, where you, i think, are really following dog whistle politics, then you'll get responses from people in our communities that have grave concerns with the nature of the operation. whereas if you work collaboratively, not trying to make our city's pain a core campaign issue in november, then i think you actually will have great agreement. so right now i have been working with our local u.s. attorney, our police department's working with them, but we want to make sure that this is solving murders. there are about 60 unsolved murders in kansas city as we speak, but they sent 225 federal agents to do any number of things. i'd just as soon have each of them matched with an unsolved case, and that's how we can get

through it instead of using this as a moment the try to create divisive rhetoric that i think being exploited for the presidential election. chris: but part of the problem here may be that there are two things that are getting mixed up. one operation legend which seems to be much more about solving crime, the thing that you're talking about. there's a separate operation in portland, and, you know, we'll put up some of the video there on the screen of the terrible protests that have been going on there for more than eight weeks now protecting federal property, federal agents there, a lot of them from dhs. you one of 15 may -- you're one of 15 mayors that this week sent a letter to the trump administration saying this deployment is unconstitutional. one, i'd like to ask you on what grounds is it unconstitutional for federal authorities to protect federal property and, second, you've got federal officers who have been injured, federal property that's been damaged. i'm just saying this is a different operation than

operation legend in your city, crime fighting, but it's the feds' fault if they defend property against protesters who are throwing, you know, various objects at them, throwing a molotov cocktail at them? >> you know, i think it's both unconstitutional and unwise. i mean, i'm old must have to remember during the tea party -- enough to remember we were talking about powers reserved to states and localities. and if what we're seeing now i think if you look at the portland video are not operations purely for protecting federal courthouses, but instead taking part in broad-based police activity and riot control without an invitation from their mayor there or their governor. i think that is the type of activity that is not actually lawful, and i stand with those who brought challenges to it. if that's different, i understand from what we're seeing in operation legend. and then in term of why is there not? but the way, you don't get elected mayor as radical in most cases. most of us are folks that work

with law enforcement often, that run law enforcement departments in our city, and they have told me as well, right, we have this under control. what we don't need more fuel on the fire from federal agents to make it, i think, an exciting political issue. in portland you already see that the republican party in oregon and washington with seattle too are using this as an advantageous position for the november election. chris: all right. well, i -- mayor lucas, thank you. i hope we've at least cleared up the confusion between operation legend and the deployment of riot police in cities like portland and seattle. i have to say it was confusing to me, and i'm glad we cleared that part of it up. mayor lucas, thank you. thanks for joining us. good to speak with you, sir. up next, just weeks before the national conventions the president cancels plans for a big bash in jacksonville, florida. we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the presidential campaign unlike any we've ever seen. ♪ ♪

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>> the flare-up in florida, to hava big convention is not the right time. it's really something that, for me, i have to protect the american people.. chris: in a surprise announcement, president trump says he's canceling his big acceptance speech next month in jacksonville, florida. and it's time now for our sunday group. guy benson of fox news radio, fox news correspondent gillian turner and fox news political analyst juan williams. guy, you know that president trump hated to pull the plug on his big acceptance speech, the big extravaganza in

jacksonville. one, why do you think he really did it and, two, what impact do you think it's going to have really for both of these candidates that they're not going to get the kind of big momentum, the big push from the conventions that candidates normally get in july and and august? >> yeah, the four-day infomercial is gone, and that's another very unusual thing in a very unusual election year. but, chris, you called it a surprise announcement. i guess that's true in the sense that we didn't know it was coming in that moment, but i think it was the correct decision, an inevitable decision. and, frankly, it was a concession to reality more than anything else. with the pandemic still being a serious issue, hitting florida -- it look like things may be leveling off there, but knock on wood, we'll have to wait and see. all of a sudden, you know, it's gown to being august very soon. and, chris, when i would have guests on the radio who had been very involved in convention planning in the past and i would ask them how do you actually work out the logistics of moving cities and states at the very

last minute in the middle of an environment like this? there was a lot of hemming and hawing. and, frankly, when you actually even dug into how we could cover it, asking questions about basic where are we going to stay, journalists who were planning maybe to go down to jacksonville, you would hear reports about the purgatory of endless phone calls and conference calls and no real answers. and i think they've run out of real estate here and did what they had to do. chris: as i discussed with dr. frieden, it was a dramatic change in the president's approach to the virus this week. let's talk about reopening, talk about dealing with a continuing problem. here is a shift over the months including this week on the president on wearing masks. >> i just don't want to wear one myself. it's a recommendation, they recommend it. i'm feeling good. can you take it off? because i cannot hear you. >> i'll just speak louder, sir. >> okay. you want to be politically

correct -- >> no, sir, i just want to wear the mask. >> i have no problem with the masks. i view it this way, anything that can potentially help -- and that certainly can potentially help -- is a good thing. chris: gillian, how do you explain the president's, i think fairly substantial change this week, and how -- what effect do you think it'll have both on virus policy and and on the president's political standing? >> well, chris, talking to sources on the trump campaign, at the rnc and the administration, i can tell you no one going to say or acknowledge we are reversing course, but they are, in fact, reversing course. it may not be as dramatic in the coming weeks as it was this week, but i would say based on sourcing to expect more action like this. now, the official story on jacksonville is that cdc officials really have been hoping that over the summer the virus was going to ease up and so then cdc guidelines would be changed to reflect that. that would make sort of the convention issue and maybe even

the facial max issue obsolete -- mask issue obsolete by the time president trump actually had to push pedal to the metal. the real story here is that a handful of officials inside the administration and the campaign got hold of the president and really convinced him that his moves were hurting him in the polls and that part of the reason he's been sliding lately is because he was not -- not that he wasn't attuned to americans' real concerns about the virus, but that he wasn't attuned to how extreme and dramatic they were becoming -- chris: right. >> -- with this new surge. and so that's why we're seeing this reversal. chris: meanwhile, joe biden pulled out his big gun this week with having, putting out a video of his first face-to-face, in-person, not vir virtual joint appearance with president obama. and here is some of that. >> you can't separate out the public health crisis from the

economy. if you want the economy growing again, people have to feel safe. >> what you did and what a all great presidents do is not only lead, they persuade. chris: juan, how effective do you think barack obama can be in helping joe biden? to what degree can he translate, transfer his very considerable popularity among democrats and independents to joe biden? >> well, i think that he can have a tremendousfect for just the reason that you articulated, chris, which is that he remains quite popular with democrats and independents. and people also see him as quite presidential, which is quite a contrast at times to popular view of president trump as provocative, entertaining, divisive. so that's quite a contrast at this moment. as you said, the president, president trump, has made big

changes within this last year; the convention, on the masks, even now resuming the briefings on the coronavirus in the white house. he's even now trying to start telling the truth in some cases, saying that the virus will get worse. but both in terms of the public health challenge and the political challenge, these things are coming late in the game. chris: right. >> as gillian was saying, what you see is that he's down, i think it's 8 points in the washington -- 8 points in the fox poll, 10 points in "the washington post" polling. chris: right. >> so he's down in a big way and feels the need for a reset. the problem is the coronavirus is the number one issue politically right now -- chris: juan, i'm going to break in. juan, i'm going to break in because we've got about a minute and a half left, and i want -- you've each got to give me about a 20-second answer. joe biden is reportedly scheduled to announce his vice presidential pick next saturday,

august 1st. juan, let's start with you, go down, who do you think it's going to be? >> well, the dark horse that's emerged this past week, chris, is karp bass, the -- karen bass, woman from california, former -- congresswoman, former head of the assembly there. but don't take your eye of kamala harris, susan rice. and, of course, elizabeth warren is popular with all democrats, black and white, so even black democrats who are saying a woman -- chris: all right. [laughter] i'm asking you to go quickly, much quicker than that. gillian, who do you think's going to be the pick? and i have to say, or juan did not settle on one choice. go ahead, gillian. give us one. >> no. well, kamala harris is the front-runner pick according to democrats today. she doesn't have it in the bag. this could change, but she is definitely the front-runner talking to sources this week. but they also say she might not be progress you have enough. chris: and, guy, your thoughts. who do you think the vice

president's going to pick? >> there's a bit of a boomlet for susan rice. tammy duckworth from illinois is in the can conversation. kamala harris feels, i think from the biden's campaign perspective, like the safest pick, and they're running a very safe campaign. chris: thank -- and i will say one other thing, kamala harris has really been off the screen, and i remember joe biden went completely dark just before he was picked, so that's an indication of something, maybe. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next, our power player of the week. he's known for merging punk with piano. now he's giving a musical mash-up of classical and pop. ♪ ♪ when you start with a better that's no way to treat a dog... ...you can do no wrong. where did you learn that? the internet... yeah? mmm! with no artificial preservatives or added nitrates or nitrites, it's all for the love of hot dogs.

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it's a constant test for bringing in fresh ideas and fans without alienating. the guy who brought piano to

the punk scene is taking on that challenge and he is our power player of the week. >> there seems to be a hierarchy of which you would think exists where the symphony is a great thing but it's not that simple and each has something to offer the other. >> it's all about breaking down barriers. >> musical barriers between pop and classical. as artistic advisor to the national symphony orchestra in washington, his late-night sold-out declassified concert are the platform for his special mix. >> it's about on formalizing the symphony orchestra in a way that doesn't intimidate. people go to the symphony and they don't even know. we make it informal in a way for them to feel comfortable to be there. >> he's been lending genres since the '90s when he

starte started. [inaudible] >> no guitar. >> no guitar in an error that was all about guitar and that was the grunge era. you called it punk rock for sissies. >> maybe nerds would've been a better word i realize that everyone could relate to piano music but it just wasn't cool at the moment. walk us through when you're sitting at a piano when you come up with an idea. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> that's the chris wallace song. >> here's the happy version ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ he shares his creative process and this memoir referring to a childhood dream. where you spread joy and catch lightning bugs for others. the thing that interest me, my job is putting that in a bottle which has taken my whole life to do and that has taken my whole life to do. >> in our interview last week with president trump, he questioned whether his democratic opponent joe biden could handle a similar encounter. this week we asked the biting

campaign for an interview and they said the former vice president was not available. we will keep asking every week. that's it for today. have a great week. we will see you next fox news sunday. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hello america i'm mark levin. this is life, liberty and levin. this is a huge subject were going to discuss tonight for the full hour. the democrat party is not really a national party. what the democrat party does is break down by race, religion, sex and what kind of you like and it's the old fdr method of