election day. this week on fox news sunday, chris wallace will speak with a rubber can national committee chairwoman ronna mcdaniel. biden campaign national chair, michigan governor gretchen whitmer. check your local listings. thanks for inviting us into your home. fair, balanced, still unafraid. "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts now. >> martha: good to see you. happy friday. good evening, everybody. good evening to you and happy friday. i am martha maccallum and this is "the story" on this friday night. 11 days ago and we are seeing unprecedented levels of early voting like we've never seen before across the country. 50 million americans who have already voted. 2016 and the entire election, 136 million americans by the end of all the voting on election day. we also know that one in five of those early voters are new

voters who didn't vote at least in 2016 or they are new to voting altogether. we are looking at elections perhaps they could have an enormous turnout or is it just that the virus has changed our voting patterns in a very big way? we also know that by large in these crucial swing states, biden voters are the ones mailing it in predominately anti-trump voters for the most part according to our polls are saying they want to put that ballot in by hand in person on election day or at least when early voting opens up in their states and those big swing states. today president trump and joe biden moved into the home stretch of this whole thing and 11 more days. president trump in florida, two big rallies today. there he is at the villages. this weekend he's going to ohio, north carolina, wisconsin, new hampshire. then he's going to be in pennsylvania, monday. joe biden has one event on a

schedule and that is pennsylvania tomorrow. he is doing something close to home in delaware today. with all that early voting, is it too late for this debate to change the outcomes or impact voters opinions and their ability to change their mind at this point? i will speak with cody campbell, former nfl player. texas oil ceo. he had a strong reaction to what was perhaps joe biden's most perilous moment last night in the debate. >> woody close down the oil industry. would you close down? >> i would transition from the oil industry, yes. >> bret: we begin with fox news fox news politics editor chris stirewalt with a lt where it stands. the debates are behind us. it's done. i wonder what you think about how many people are left to be influenced when you look at how

many have already voted. >> well, i think something everybody has to bear in mind. we love the numbers. we are data nerds. i love them. i want to roll around on them. i am like scrooge mcduck. i'm crazy for it. let's remember early voters are not persuadable voters. no one said i don't know how i'm going to vote for. i think i better cast an early ballot. no. if you are undecided or persuadable, you're not in the first wave of votes. there's a lot democrats can brag about and they've done a good job with get out the vote efforts and they push people. the new voters are a reflection of it. there's a lot of football left to play here. to mix my metaphors. this a lot yet to do. as you pointed out since president trump really denounced male and voting, we would expect to see maybe even republicans vote in person at a higher rate than they did even in 2016 or in 2012. maybe he has really suppressed

the mail-in vote and they are going to focus on day of voting. who knows. >> martha: which side do you think is registering more new voters and finding, beating the bushes for folks that did not come out last time and getting them. who is filling that role in a bigger way? >> we have data to support the notion that republicans in key states especially pennsylvania and florida did a lot on voter registration. at this point we just can't know. so many states have same-day registrations. so many states have loosened rules around the coronavirus. it's going to be possible to say. i am skeptical that 20% of the electorate is going to be new voters given the fact that is usually seven or 8%. i think were going to see that number level out but who knows. as you pointed out, it's a weird year. >> martha: it's a weird year indeed. let's take a look at frank luntz's focus group and some of the words that they used

to describe president trump last night when they were asked about his performance. >> composed. >> controlled. >> constrained. >> eric. >> reserved. >> jennifer. >> poised. >> sasha. >> con artist. >> [laughs] >> surprisingly presidential. >> martha: poised, presidential, constrained. all words people associate with president trump, right? >> i like the guy who said surprisingly presidential. new and improved and repackaged trump. surprisingly presidential. >> martha: [laughs] it was interesting i saw president trump today at the white house and he said some people liked the more aggressive version of the first debate. some people think this was a more popular way to go. i have a lot of styles, he said.

do you think anything moves the needle in terms of fixing the damage from the first time around? >> i differed with a lot of the mainstream analysis going into the debate. trump is further back now when he was in 2016 and there are fewer undecided voters. he's in a more difficult spot. four years ago he closed the gap five points in the last two weeks, he closed really strong. even if he could do it again, he still would be too far back and there aren't enough persuadable voters. my thought was he should've doubled down on godzilla trump for the second debate. the only thing he can really do now. he has a hard ceiling. he has to bring joe biden ceiling down. for term, he had to do something to blow biden up. for biden, he knew he had to get out of nashville. all we had to do is get out of nashville. if the worst thing that happened to him was that he slipped up on

oil, then he calls it a win so i think trump should've gone harder after him. >> martha: really? that's very interesting. especially when you look at going to talk about suburban women voters and i thought that there had to be some of those out there who voted for trump last time around who looked at what they saw last night. let me quote. john said 50 million votes have been cast and they were cast with the memory of the disaster. voters up for grabs might it's acting differently. >> early voters are not persuadable voters. they are banking boats that are going to be for that party no matter what. persuadable voters of the last to decide. >> martha: all right. chris, we'll see. 11 days to go. good to see you. happy friday. have a good one. >> happy friday. >> martha: yeah. all right, one of the most talked about moments that we hit

on for a second in the debate last night was this very interesting exchange about the oil industry. watch. >> would he closed down the oil industry? would you close down the oil industry? >> i would transition from the oil industry, yes. it is a big statement. i would stop -- >> why would you do that? >> the oil industry pollutes. it has to be replaced by renewable energy. over time. >> basically is going to say he's going to destroy the oil industry. >> martha: you could tell that the president, that sort of lit up in that moment. he knew it was going to be a problematic issue for some voters out there. other voters would be happy to hear that in terms of the environment. here with reaction, cody campbell, co-ceo of double eagle

energy holdings. great to have you. joe biden, former vice president, asked this morning to clarify what he said. here's what he said. >> eventually we are going to have to go to all but we are knocking to get rid of fossil fuels. getting rid of subsidies for fossil fuels but were not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time. >> martha: that was last night. working on the cleanup. cody, what did you think about what he had to say last night? >> i was disappointed. he is clearly a very disconnected from the real world. i wasn't surprised by it. what he said last night was consistent with the platform he's carried from the beginning. he has flipped and flopped a lot. i think out of an effort to sort of tricks and voters in certain states to vote for him. but really he is after the end of our industry. he wants to put an end back to our industry and what he said last night made that very clean.

>> martha: what would be the impact on jobs in texas and will that affect the vote in texas which is surprisingly close according to the polls. >> the impact would be devastating to the state of texas but it would be felt across the country. we support tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of jobs in this state but our industry supports jobs all across the country. steelworkers, autoworkers, petrochemical workers. the impact if you put an end back to the american oil and gas industry would be millions of jobs across the country. it would really hurt the competitiveness of every industry because they would increase the cost that we bear. it would be a devastating thing for the american economy if you were to put then back to oil and gas. >> martha: yeah, thank you for putting a voice to your industry. we spoke with a gentl gentlemanm the boilermakers industry. i thought it was interesting, a

comment. referring to people who support president trump's policies and what makes their minds tick. listen to this from jon meacham. >> there is a lizard brain in this country. donald trump is a product of the white man's, the anguished nervous white guys lizard brain. i think trump did himself good with his base tonight. the question for america is how big that base is. >> martha: what would you say to him about that comment though he characterized people across this country? >> well, what i would say is that i wake up every morning thinking about taking care of my family, putting food on the table. i think about taking care of our employees and their families. if that means that i have a lizard brain, then i guess you can chalk me up as an iguana because that's what i am. i think a lot of people in this

country feel the same way that i do. >> martha: well put. cody, thank you very much. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: good luck to you. what did the fbi know about the bidens in ukraine? during the impeachment saga. what do they have on that laptop when all that was going on? very good question. also the text messages from hunter biden's business associate imply that joe biden was at least aware of these deals which he has said was not the case. former vp says this. >> i am not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. at aetna, we take a total,

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>> martha: there's always a couple october surprises in the weeks before an election then last night just before the debate we got this development on the biden family business dealings with overseas partners. hunter biden's then associate tony bobulinski says he has evidence joe biden was somehow involved. watch. >> i've heard joe biden say he's never discussed business with hunter. that is false. i have firsthand knowledge about this because i dealt with the biden family. >> martha: today we understand that the former navy lieutenant met with the fbi to tell them what he knows and to turn over three phones that he showed everyone last night at the news conference. my next guest writes "now corruption stories about joe, not hunter." joining me now james freeman. good to have you with us. i want to begin by going back to the exchange last night between

the president and joe biden on this. it was kind of a moment that everybody has been waiting for joe biden to respond to. here's what happened. watch. >> they even have a statement that we have to give 10% to the big man, you're the big man i think. i don't know. maybe you're not but you're the big man i think. 10% to the big man. joe, what's that all about? it's terrible. >> gentlemen, i want to ask you both questions. i'm going to as that you respon. >> martha: james, we didn't really get a response from joe biden to the question, are you the big guy? big guy? here's the email, may 13, 2017 between the business partners who were involved in this proposed deal. at the bottom it clearly says ten held by h for the big guy. your thoughts on what ground recovered here last night.

did we learn anything? >> well, as you said, we thought mr. biden is not denying that he's the big guy. we saw that in the journal reporting. for the other partners in the venture are not denying that he's the big guy. you have from mr. bobulinski in a direct contradiction of what mr. biden, joe biden has told us in the past. he said he didn't talk about this with his son. he wasn't involved. you now have mr. bobulinski putting him at the scene discussing it. you also have among these emails which are no longer -- people are not disputing their authenticity anymore. you see in norma sums of money being discussed. $10 million in one email for introductions alone. part of the email communication between hunter biden and the head of the chinese company.

i think people naturally ask, who pays $10 million for introductions? who is it you paid $10 million to meet? >> martha: it may be that nobody did pay that. one of the things that strikes me as there was a lot of effort put out here. the way joe biden phrased it was "i don't have any stock in any of those companies and i never took a penny." it doesn't mean that he said hunter biden wasn't trying to put together these deals, trying to do these transactions. it looks like a number of them fell through. were any of them successful? did they get paid on any of these deals, according to your coverage of it or "the wall street journal"'s reporting on it? >> we've seen the senate report in august of 2017, the chinese company sent $5 million to hudson west 3, affiliated with hunter biden. immediately money began flowing

to another biden entity, the firm of hunter biden's in the amount of $4.7 million over a series of payments. describe vaguely as some kind of consulting fees. once again, just like a lot of these hunter biden ventures all over the world, very big money in industries for which he seems manifestly unqualified. each time these issues have come up, the bidens have not tried to argue. no, hunter really is a expert on ukrainian energy or romanian real estate or moscow real estate. multimillion dollar payments. i think this is wrong. even if there's not -- the proof that it ended up going to joe. why is he tolerating this, including when he was vice president? i think it something he has to reckon with. >> martha: james freeman, thank you very much. we'll keep following it.

good to talk to you tonight. coming up, joe biden last night warned of a dark winter caused by the coronavirus. as most states continue to see increases in cases. while president trump vowed that the country will not lock down again. alex berenson sorts it out for us after this. >> we have to open our schools, and we can't close up our nation. or you're not going to have a nation. >> what i would say is i'm going to shut down the virus, not the country.

♪ >> martha: last night we heard joe biden talk about the dark winter that he said is coming.

the president said he didn't believe that the winter would be dark. he said that the end is coming to the virus. joining me now is alex berenson, former "new york times" reporter and author of "unreported truths about covid-19 and lockdowns. post-cocoa daddy back on the program. what's your reporting about looking at the data. where it stands on who is right on the question. >> there a little bit wrong both of them. president trump is probably closer to being right. there's important things to remember. the dark winter projections are coming out of out of a university of washington model and that's been wrong since this whole thing started in march. it was wrong last month in september. it got a lot of attention. said there would be 400,000 deaths. that there would be 230,000 deaths in the fall they have cut that projection.

there's no evidence that deaths are spiking. instead of saying the end of the year, they are saying february 1st or in some cases march 1st. they are pushing the numbers back up. they are saying half a million deaths by the spring. the problem is they just keep, when they are wrong they don't ever acknowledge their wrong. they push the projection forward. here's what i think you will need realize. the left and the media love to criticize donald trump for a response to the coronavirus and there's certainly things we could've done differently. when you look at the u.s. versus the u.k., france, italy, spain. the four countries in europe that really got hit the most in the spring, there's a huge second wave going on there right now. through the summer the u.s. had a wave in the sun belt that in retrospect wasn't that bad. people, these journalists said look at europe. they managed it. they dealt with it. they are done. they did so much better than we did. the u.k. having six deaths today

in the u.s. have a 1,000. but those four countries now today are, even though their population is 100 million people smaller than the u.s. if you combine it, they will have more deaths than the u.s. there's not much evidence that advanced societies, advanced liberal economies and societies are able to destroy this virus and make it go away. we all have to manage it. at the last seven months of taught us anything, it should be that. there has been no health system overrun. 4% of the beds in the u.s. are occupied by people with corona -- hospital beds occupied by people with coronavirus. we are dealing with it and the economy has not blown up. it's done better than europe's and that's what people should remember. >> martha: it's been a tough year, no doubt about it. we always like to hear from you, alex, as a reality check. you write those numbers have been all over the map since the very beginning. the number has grown 227,000 people we have lost at this

point as we continue to fight this virus in america. alex, thank you. quick thought. >> thank you so much, martha. >> martha: see you next time. >> thank you. >> martha: we will have him back i promise. coming up, 2020 voters on the struggle to bounce back after businesses were locked down. we want to leave enough time. that's next. thank you. >> for a lot of us, what's most important is pretty debility. >> we lost 90% of our business. layoffs. liquidating the majority of the business age is just a number.

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>> martha: president trump and joe biden clashing over how to help struggling small businesses hard-hit from the coronavirus lockdown. >> $15 federal minimum wage. >> one of the things we are

going to have to do is we are going to have to bail them out too. we should be bailing them out now, the small businesses. you have one in six going under. they are not going to be able to make it back. >> every state is different. it should be a state option. it's important we have to help our small businesses. how are you helping your small businesses when you're forcing wages? >> martha: in nashville this week we went to john rich's redneck riviera and gathered with business owners. here's what they had to say. >> almost at the election and when you think about the impacts of all of it, how do you think about how the president has handled it? >> under those circumstances and the weight of what's going on, it's hard to judge a person. with covid and the economy and things like that. he is a great team of people around him. i think he's doing pretty well. >> martha: are you still an

undecided voter? >> i'm leaving a little more towards donald trump simply because i'm a small business owner. taxes and things of that nature, the increase that would come with the biden administration, crippling coming off the heels of the pandemic. >> martha: what are your thoughts as you look at the election and how would you describe each of them? >> i feel like i would support joe biden and i support his team. i think he will listen to them. it's his team that i'm leaning towards. donald trump i believe hasn't been unified enough for us to work together against the virus. >> martha: you all owned small businesses. who wants to share with me with the impact has been of this ye year? >> it's been awful.

i own a cocktail bar and restaurant and we are down 80%. i got covid and had a stroke. thousands of dollars of medical debt from it that have been in march. all clear now. just last night i was at my business speaking to my employees to explain, you have to be careful about this. we have to take it seriously. we had an outbreak at our business and we had to close. that would be it. would close our doors and we wouldn't reopen. >> we were able to pivot and shift and we went to an online social media selling strategy and we've had a very successful year and i think the reason we been so successful is because of our community and our customers. they have embraced us and been loyal and show their support. >> are we going to be making it through this? as we have started to come on

the other side, everything we do is american-made and that's right now more than ever. americans are actively seeking american-made products. >> in the 1990s, 50% of the para was made in the united states and now it's 3%. >> that's the crazy part. >> it's stunning. >> i want to ask you, give me one word to describe joe biden. >> week. >> trustworthy. >> confused. >> establishment. >> supported. >> martha: president trump. >> unreliable. >> strong. >> courageous. stable unpredictable. >> i think he's effective. >> martha: look at your state, do you think president trump will win the election? raise your hand. do you think biden will win.

what gives you that sense given what you see in the polls and everything where it looks like it's not trending towards the president right now. >> alana my conservative friends haven't been called. i don't feel like the polls are accurate. >> martha: what's the most important thing for you and you fill out your ballot or walk-in. >> i think health care. i'm on the other side of it but i do agree that both candidates need to be clear about what the health care policy will be. >> black lives matter is personal for me. my wife and i've been married 26 years and we are four amazing kids and our youngest son is ten who we adopted from ethiopia. we have an african-american child. i want the next president to help heal our country. we use are so far apart and so divided. >> i have two young sons and i want them to have leadership they can look up to. i want to have our standing

restored in the world. >> i was they also foreign policy because i feel like it's important for us to be strong. make sure that as a country. we know where we stand. >> criminal justice reform. i've been on both sides. i haven't always been. i was released from prison in 2014 and i'm trying to change my life every day but i'm still being penalized for things i've done in the past. >> congratulations. i know it's going to be the first time you're voting in a presidential election. congratulations to you. it's to be commended. thank you so much. i wish you the best in your businesses. great, great group that we met with. i am glad to be joined by two of them from the paddle live this evening. julie and robert, the ceo of imperial cleaning systems.

the dream initiative. great to see you both again in your place of businesses. julie, what did you think of the debate last night? >> i thought it was good. i thought we were able to hear more clear ideas from both candidates. i thought the format worked a lot better because there was less interrupting. i thought it was very informative. >> martha: sorry, i lost you for a second. robert, i am curious what you thought because you came in undecided and you told us as we saw the video that you are leaning trump. did anything that you saw last night make you change your mind or confirm what you were thinking? >> last night's debate for sure solidified my vote for trump. he was strong. he was straightforward. he gave me confidence as an african-american in this country moving forward with him at the head. very competent. >> martha: roberts, staying with you for a minute, curious

what you thought about what their exchange on the minimum wage. how many employees do you have? what are your thoughts on that? what did you think about what they said? covid i had 22 employees. when the pandemic hit i had to get rid of a lot of people. frontline staff. in this climate in nashville, $15 an hour is an astronomical amount of money for small business owner to be paying. of course you're going to have different workers making different lots of money. you might have a supervisor making 15. you might have someone under him making 13. or 12. but to be able to have to pay everyone $15 an hour, that wouldn't be sustainable for me and my company. >> martha: okay. julie, what did you think about

that? what'd you think about the outreach to small businesses last night specifically? >> i agree with robert on the minimum wage. $15 an hour is very difficult for small business here in our local community. if you think about it we employ a lot of high school students. it's a part-time after-school job, weekend job. $15, a lot of my fellow business owners in this community, that would be devastating to us. >> martha: julie, would you have to do? go ahead, robert. >> wish i could pay them 15. i don't wanted to be taken like i don't want them to make it. i wish i could pay them but has a small business owner, it's something i won't be able to do and sustain and stay afloat. >> martha: i hear you. all right. julie, real quick. would you have to lay people off if you had to do 15 an hour?

>> we would, yes really. the high school staff that we depend on for a lot of our weekend coverage, we wouldn't be able to support that. >> martha: all right, julie and robert, thanks for checking in with us. pleasure to meet both of you. best of luck. all right, thank you. good to see you. for more of my conversation with the tennessee voters which was longer and really interesting that way you just saw, go to the untold story podcast at foxnewspodcast.com or wherever you listen. next we are one weekend away from a historic boat that could solidify amy coney barrett as the next supreme court justice. senator joni ernst of the judiciary committee joins me next. to listen, is to hear more than what's being said... and offer the answers that make someone feel truly heard. i understand, let's get started call a dell technologies advisor today.

>> martha: senate now one step closer to confirming the president's supreme court pick, amy coney barrett. mitch mcconnell advanced her nomination today despite push-back and attempts to delay the process. watch this. >> it's a stain on this body and an indelible mark on this senate majority. >> martha: so if barrett is confirmed, president trump will have appointed more justices in

one term than any president since richard nixon. that would give conservatives a 6-3 majority. joining me now, senator joni ernst that sits on the judiciary committee. thanks for being here this evening. i understand that there was a closed session for the first time in a decade in the senate today. they pushed all the reporters and other folks out. what happened in that closed session and why did it happen? >> well, thank you, martha. this was just one tactic that the democrats were using to try to delay the movement of amy coney barrett across the floor of the senate. and the democratic leader, chuck schumer, he stated that he wanted to have this closed session so he could have a candidate discussion on the floor of the senate about this process. i'm sorry. what candid discussion? what happened? we heard from the democratic

leader that would have been new behind closed doors. another tactic by the democrats to slow down the process. >> martha: all right. so the latest gallup poll shows 51% would like to see judge barrett confirmed. do you expect that there's going to be more delay tactics or do you think this will go through and what to you think happens after that? >> i do anticipate that the democratic leader and the democrats will try whatever stall tactics they can. we do anticipate that. however, there is the wherewithal and the republican majority to get this nomination over the finish line. that should happen monday. it will be the final vote on judge barrett to become the new associate justice on the supreme court. i see this going through. >> martha: so i understand there's going to be a hearing with jack dorsey of twitter and mark zuckerberg about an issue that is more clearer to a lot of

americans across the country, that these -- the question about whether or not there are platforms for everybody to participate in or whether they're putting the thumb on the scale. what do you want to know from those companies and those hearings, senator? >> when we have them in front of us, i want to know what are they doing to determine what's first amendment rights are protected, whose aren't and how are they determining that, who are they deciding what to cut off, what messages to promote or push under the rug. all of that needs to be answered. we've experienced this in iowa certainly during this political season. so we just need these answers for all iowans and for all americans. i'm very anxious to have them in front of the committee. i know they will be speaking to the commerce committee as well. there's a lot of interest in this. they shouldn't be suppressing our first amendment rights. >> martha: obviously this is

going to be a tight election when you look at these polls. you're in a tight senate race right now. the president and joe biden are in a tight race in iowa as well. it's interesting to note where the polls are with regard to white women. president trump beat hillary clinton with that demographic last time around. now he trails significantly in that demographic. so what do you think is going on in iowa and what do you expect to happen? >> honestly, i try not to pay much attention to the polls. i believe that they are off. what i feel on the ground is a lot of energy and enthusiasm for the president. i feel that in my own senate race. i travel all of iowa's counties, all 99 counties every single year. i'm visiting with farmers, small business owners, healthcare systems. i feel that before the pandemic, the economy was booming. people care about that.

they want to see us get through the pandemic safely, responsibly. but they want to see the economy open. we saw that president trump really led the way to a strong economy, low unemployment. we wish to get back there. so i'm excited. i know my constituents are excited. and i do think the president will carry the state of iowa and i feel that i'll be able to hold this senate seat. it's going to be a fight to the finish. >> martha: it's going to be a fight for both sides. there's no doubt about it. unusual to see tight races in iowa. but we will be watching. 11 days to go. senator, thank you. good to have you here tonight. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: air force one landed moments ago and the president has his second campaign stop. he was at the villages earlier. waiting for the door to open in pensacola. he's in a dead heat with joe

biden in the very important state of florida with 29 electoral votes there. we'll go there live as soon as we get back.

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for the president as we have less than two weeks to go between now and the election. i mentioned the stop here. keep in mind, earlier, i showed you a stop in virginia where we were along the north carolina border against a 2 for 1, a key strategy. they want to energize the base and make sure that people that might still be on the fence have a chance to hear the president personally. now, you know this, many in the crowd here were up here very early, 8:00 a.m. many of them in the front. that may not sound impressive until you consider it was hot and humid all day long. the governor, ron desantis, speaking now. the president coming up. we'll have live coverage. for now, back to you, martha. >> martha: all right. we are waiting to see that. we've got a new little friend here at our house. can you say hello? this is his first day with us. say hi. all right. that's "the story" for this friday, october 23, 2020.

a puppy makes everybody happy. "the story" continues monday night at 7:00. we'll be here. have a great weekend. take care. bye, everybody. >> tucker: president trump believe it or not about to take the stage for another rally tonight. this one in pensacola, florida. he was up late last night and at it again. say what you will, he's tireless. we'll monitor his remarks. we'll bring it to you if it happens. good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." did you see the debate last night? probably did. too bad it's the last one. we learned a lot in 1 1/2 hours. we always do. we learned that self-control pays off. donald trump pulled back on stage and he's never been better than he was last night. you can understand what he was saying. that helped. at the same time, we learned that if you want to wreck