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personal net profits from the book to advancing that american agenda for more on my conher conversations log on to fox nation.com right now for the director's c chris: i am chris wallace more u.s. troops sent to evacuate american diplomats and thousands in the city of kabul. >> were deeply concerned about the trends and where it's going. chris: 4000 troops are sent back to afghanistan weeks before the u.s. plans to in the war. as the situation on the ground unravels and critics blast president biden's execution of his withdrawal. >> we want to get our soldiers back and make sure that this
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kind of thing that you see happen today could not happen. chris: will ask former secretary of state mike pompeo what it means for america's security and our standing in the world. then tempers flare over mask mandates in schools as a nation students head back to the classroom in covid cases rise among kids. questions about the effectiveness of vaccines over time raise the prospect of booster spring will talk with nih doctor francis collins about the latest wave and how many of this will need a third shot. a un report on climate change declares code red for humanity. will ask sunday panel about the dire warning and what's at stake if we don't act quickly. all right now on "fox news sunday". ♪.
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chris: hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with breaking news on two fronts, and afghanistan, president biden boosting deployment from 3000 to 4000 u.s. troops as afghan government security forces collapsed under attala van advance taking control of more than 30% of the countries 34 provinces in a lightning offensive over the past ten days. caliban fighters are reaching the outskirts of kabul for the evacuation of u.s. embassy staff has begun and in haiti the powerful magnitude seven-point to quake has killed hundreds of people with the death toll rising just as a tropical storm closes in. in a moment will speak with former secretary of state mike pompeo who oversaw the trump administration peace agreement with the taliban. thus bringing kevin corke at the
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white house with the latest on haiti and afghanistan. >> president body sent to relinquish power and on the march in kabul the presence in afghanistan is facing the all too real prospect of an in demand yes and a dangerous one as well. >> president biden huddled in the senior national security advisor this weekend mapping out an updated strategy from the tarnation this has attala been has continued its march seizing increasingly large swats of the countryside without much resistance, reaching the streets of kabul the taliban negotiators are heading to the palace to discuss a transfer of the city something biden previously said was not a conclusion. >> the afghan troops have 300,000 well-equipped as well-equipped as any army in the world and air force against something like 75000 taliban, is
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not inevitable. >> near the embassy and kabul helicopters landing to evacuate personnel as diplomats destroy sensitive documents. afghan officials say troops have surrendered bagram air base to the caliban which houses 5000 inmates. it's only way. >> 800 there. that impoverished country is still trying to claw his way back from a similar powerful earthquake 11 years ago and is now doing so with head of state as its president was assassinated there last month. chris: kevin corke reporting from the white house.
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thank you. joining as former secretary of state mike pompeo. welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you for having me on this morning. chris: how dire is the situation in afghanistan as we talk today is a full, band takeover of the country now inevitable. >> it certainly looks like it looks like the biden administration has failed in its execution of its own plan and looks like they're trying to get folks out and this reminds me of previous administrations to allow embassies to be overrun and feels that way and it looks like there's a bit of panic to reinsert soldiers to get them out in the plan should've been much like that we had an orderly condition to think about how to draw down our forces, we actually delivered on that promise. i hope we get these folks out and they bring the airpower and they should crush the taliban
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surrounding kabul and we can do it with american airpower and put pressure on them and inflict cost in pain we should not be begging them to spare the lives of americans we should impose costs on the taliban until they allow us to execute our plan in afghanistan is be when there's a lot of questions let me start with the one that is most important to the american homeland. if, when the caliban takes over, what does it mean for u.s. national security, can we as the biden administration promises from over the horizon deal with the terrorist threat to the u.s. homeland from inside afghanistan? >> this is one of the most important questions it depends on a couple of things, the context for american security policy. think about what is happening taliban be in our aggressive and
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fearless because we have an administration that has refused, the one the president trump and i had we had rockets landed in israel and a pipeline back to the russians but we've allowed the chinese to castigate our chinese leadership another taliban to run free and wild all around afghanistan. they have to understand this administration with a backbone and the seriousness to execute on the things that matter and protect and defend america, this gets to the larger challenge what will the taliban believe the americans are prepared to do if they play footsie with al-qaeda or the isis began to grow and afghanistan. like the carter administration and the obama administration in the first seven months of the biden administration the taliban will feel free to do this, secretary of state and the commander-in-chief i president trump the taliban would've understood their real cost to pay if they were plots against the united states of america, soleimani learned that lesson in the taliban would've learned that as well. chris: president biden released a statement yesterday in which
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an effect he blamed president trump in your administration for the deal that you made with taliban van back in 2020 which resulted in a promise at that time that president trump stayed in office to pull all troops out by this past may. i want to redo what president biden said in his statement. when i became president i faced a choice follow through on the deal to ramp up our presence and send more american troops to fight once again in another countries civil conflict, mr. secretary what do you think of president biden's attempt to blame and pin all the blame on what's transpired in last few weeks on the deal that he says he quote inherited from president trump and from you. >> of the risks weren't so serious it would be pathetic, i would not let my 10-year-old son get away from this pathetic claim shifting, he should be less focused on trying to blame this on someone else then
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dissolving the problem making sure that we protect and defend american security, it's worth noting this did not happen on our watch we reduced our forces and they did extend all the cost afghanistan is a plain old fact that this is happening in the biden administration leadership almost a quarter of our way into his first term. this is not the way leaders lead by fighting backwards, we had a bad deal we inherited the jcpoa we got out and secured america from iran and inherited a horrible deal in syria were isis controlled the size of great britain we crush them in every president confronts challenges this president confronted a challenge in afghanistan and he utterly failed to protect the american people from the challenge. chris: i have to say it isn't just president biden who says this, when we announce to be a guest on this program of former top military commander in afghanistan and a current top republican member of congress both talked about the deal that
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the trump administration and you negotiated back in 2020 with taliban to pull out all u.s. forces, here is president trump when he was in office. >> basically we are policeman right now and were not supposed to be policeman, we've been there for 19 years in afghanistan, it's ridiculous. chris: critics say for the u.s. to cut a deal with taliban without the afghan government even in the room was hugely demoralizing and led inevitably to where we are today. >> that is simply not true go read the deal, read the conditions that were built in the deal i was in the room in the center of working to deliver that, the afghans were in the room we had the afghans all in the room from the same time in 20 years afghan leaders, not just the corrupt leader ashraf
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ghani all of his time washington, d.c. and the military leaders in the same folks he probably just talked about a few would've spent that time building on franzen coalition and the taliban himself we could've gone to reconciliation instead he took money from his own good and came to washington to lobby for our american money, billions of dollars, he spent more time in washington then he talked to his own people. we negotiated a deal that performed a basis for the conditions base withdraw from american soldiers i'm proud of the work that we did we brought a lot of young kids home and saved a lot of american lives we were working diligent to deliver on the two missions to get our young people home and reduce the risk to the united states from having our soldiers, airmen and marines in afghanistan and to create the conditions where we could create a terror attack on the united states did not happen from there we did in the philippines, we did in syria, we reduced terrorism risk all around the world and we would've done and afghanistan as well.
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chris: i want to ask you one more question about your record, you were the first american secretary of state to ever meet with taliban be on and you talked about how they had agreed to join us in the fight against terrorism. here you are sir. >> the gentleman i met with agreed that they would break that relationship and they would work alongside of us to destroy and deny resources in half and depart from that place. chris: do you regret given the taliban that legitimacy, do you regret pressing the afghan government to release 5000 prisoners which they did some of whom which are back on the battlefield fighting with the taliban. >> you make peace with her enemies the statement i made was absolutely true you can ask the military leaders on the ground we did good work to crush al-qaeda and when we left off is there is fewer than 200 al-qaeda left in afghanistan. we never trusted the taliban, you can ask them yourselves we
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made abundantly clear if they did not live up to that piece of paper the work that they had put on the ground we weren't going to allow them to walk away from any deal, we were going to crush them up push real cost on them we would not let them take these capitals they understood american power was going to come to their village, their community, the friends and family around them, we were going to make sure that they understood america wasn't would allow americans to be killed from this place, we did not take the word of the taliban we watched their actions on the ground when they did the right thing and they help us against terror, that was all good and when they did and we crush them. chris: finally i have about two minutes, you graduated first in your class from west point in 1986 and i'm sure you vividly remember that it was just a decade earlier in 1975 when the u.s. pulled out of saigon and
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use all u.s. diplomats, vietminh knees, people who had sided with us clambering onto helicopters on the embassy roof which carter country military for years, what do you think the fall of afghanistan is going to say to our allies and enemies and what do you think it's going to mean from an image of ourselves. >> that's a very important question, week american leadership harms american security this is it in the context of the biden administration that has abandoned the global stage in favor of climate change, they have been focused on critical race theory while the embassy is at risk, that did not happen during the four years there is a real risk here in our soldiers failures have done an amazing job along the way but i think the senior military leadership had 20 years to build out the coalition forces and has a fundamentally rethink the training that they provided in
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the weapons and how they were thinking strategically about handing this battle off to the afghan people and we had a president in afghanistan who wasn't prepared to do the right thing for his own national security in his own country that political failure and military failure is something want to take a look at to make sure were always securing american freedom. chris: secretary pompeo, thank you, thank you for your time it's always good to talk to user. up next will bring in our sunday group to discuss afghanistan and the dire warning this week for the future of our planet. ♪
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the jury is still out but the likely hood that the taliban owning everything is highly unlikely. chris: president biden just over a month ago expressing confidence in the ability the afghan military to stand up to the taliban and it's time for our sunday group former rnc communication director doug hi, julie washington bureau trees of the associated press and fox news political analyst. julie, the big question how could president biden have so badly misjudged the strength the cohesion of the afghan government and afghan security forces. i know the pole would show that most americans want the u.s. out of our longest war but are they prepared at the white house for a real blowback when we begin to
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see those images, horrific images of what the taliban is going to do inside of afghanistan. >> it's remarkable how this jury is shifting and changing on the biden white house as late as friday coming into this weekend even the taliban taken over pretty significant territory in afghanistan the biden white house is really leaning into this idea that the public was with them in politics on the war had shifted in the u.s., that was true and what were actually doing with them right now are bigger questions around intelligence failure, how did we miss at the taliban had the strength that the afghan security forces with also quickly, as you said this is not appear to be the assessment of anyone in the u.s. government and lead to this so quickly. there is real uncertainty of where the american people and the politics will stand and as we get to the end of today not a point in the distant future but the end of today and taken over
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kabul in the afghan government has fully collapsed. chris: doug, there's quite a split inside the republican party about whether we should have stayed in afghanistan or left, we need to point out, it was donald trump who said all the emotion and wanted to pull out because as you heard secretary pompeo said his policy would've been different and they wanted to pull out last may. and over the last week, we spent 20 years in $80 million building of the afghan military and they collapsed they just ran away from the taliban, how can you justify investing more in blood and treasure. >> what most republicans want to do there's a real split part of the leadership from liz cheney is talking about we can't abandon those people who have helped us on the ground as is
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very critical moment and if we do abandon them essentially the afghan translators and so forth we are condemning them to hell essentially. the reality that we see on the ground politically, we talk so often about whether or not americans are great nation or a nation, clearly what were seen right now is not great with afghan translators is not good there's a lot of blame to go around if you read to start a war which i picked up last night, this goes back how many presidencies now this is now in joe biden you can't look backwards and blame donald trump and the key messages and his campaign was joe biden had a team of professionals versus donald trump adams family and they won't make the mistakes on the ground, we need to see leadership and see joe biden lead. chris: a question is how can he leave as he said at the beginning of the show the taliban is at the gates they may give us a little time to get out
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and some afghan supporters but not the tens of thousands at this point which gets to the basic question, as i mentioned to secretary pompeo joe biden issued a statement that said i inherited this mouse blame president trump for the deal he made but when you see the horrific scenes that were going to see in the next days and weeks, there is no way around and this is joe biden's defeat. >> i think it's happening under biden's watch and he's going to have to bear that responsibility and those horrific images are going to come from the media, i think this is less a matter of blame then regret, don't forget this was the forever war and as you pointed out the polls show american people don't want to be there but it was the forgotten war, why was it forgotten, the goal 20 years ago when we got involved was to stop the taliban
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from allowing afghanistan to be out base for terrorist activity and that goal was accomplished and that was shut down and then it became a matter of how do we maintain, how do we keep the taliban at bay that enters into the notion of nation building in the united states has spent trillions of dollars to prop up the afghanistan government, to prop up their military, their beliefs, their training and all the rest of american lives and money, why because the president's own corruption, lack of confidence, that is an issue, i don't think that's an american issue but biden is making sure there is no further terrorist base ever established in afghanistan. chris: let's turn to another big story that was a report from the panel of the united nations which talked about the weather
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extremes in the world that got worse so bad that the secretary general of the united nations called a code red for humanity, here was a reaction on the senate floor to the report. >> oregon is burning, california's burning, greece is burning, there is a drought hitting virtually every country on earth, the green new deal is not about protecting the environment, it's about making big government even bigger is. chris: the report says the weather extremes are getting more extreme and we all see it in our homes, on tv, terrible forest fires, broiling heat, storms, floods and one of the things that is remarkable to me at the end of the week the report came out on monday
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washington are leaders have basically moved on. >> absolutely there is a linkage between what were talking about climate and what were talking about the biden administration in afghanistan when biden looks at the biggest national security challenges facing the world he wants climate change as being top of the list. part of the rationale for trying to get out of afghanistan is it time to take the attention away from a situation like that were as cc where he sees no good end in sight and put things on climate change republicans will argue in providing he sees climate as a place where we need to be focusing the attention and the challenge as he saw over the last couple of days and as president you don't get to pick your priorities are only chosen for you. chris: and you have to deal with more than one crisis or catastrophe at a time, think you were going to take a break and will see you all later, parents around the country increasingly
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chris: coronavirus cases by the delta variant continued to search primarily among the unvaccinated as the fda authorizes booster shots for some people and more employers are requiring vaccination as a condition for returning to work, joining us to discuss the latest guidance the director of the national institute of health doctor francis collins, let's start with the latest figures on this wave of the coronavirus i
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want to put the stats up on the screen the latest average of new cases is more than 129,000 new cases a day that is not more than 700% from the beginning of july assuming trends of the spread of the virus in a current level of vaccination, how high could this wave get, how many new cases could we be seeing a day? >> we can't really predict that all we can say is that this is going very steeply upward with no signs of having peeked out i would be surprised if we don't cross 200,000 cases a day in the next couple of weeks, that is heartbreaking considering we never thought we would be back in that space again, that was january and february that should not be august but here we are with delta variant which is so contagious in the heart breaking situation were 9 million people are on vaccinated who are sitting ducks for this virus and were in a world of hurt and it's a critical juncture and we gotta
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do everything we can to turn that around. >> were seen a sharp rise in the number of pediatric cases both unvaccinated kids and vaccinated kids who are getting covid from the new delta variant how bad could that spike in pediatric cases get. >> that's very worrisome, kids are going to get that sick with this. one in 400 children have died of covid-19 and right now we have almost 2000 kids in the hospitals, many nicus, some under the age of four so if anybody tells you don't worry about the kids a virus won't bother them it's not the evidence and especially with delta being so contagious kids are very seriously at risk. it's up to all of us to do everything that we can to protect them and protect everybody else at the same time. chris: you talk about protecting
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them seven states across the country have bands in place against mandates for schools, masks for these kids when they're in school and for the governor ron desantis is leading the charge, here he was this week. >> you for coming after the parents in florida i'm standing in your way i will not lie to get away with it. chris: how strong is the case is children in schools should wear masks as a mitigation against delta. >> it is very strong go to the cdc website, you'll see more than a dozen publications showing the evidence and already you can see in this country the start of the open without mask requirements, outbreaks are happening and what happens the kids are sent home for virtual learning which is what we were trying to avoid. it's really unfortunate the politics and polarization of gotten away of a public health measure, this mask has become a
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symbol that it never should've been, this is basically a life-saving medical advice and somehow it's being seen as an invasion of your personal liberty. we never should've gone there is heartbreaking for me as a person who is not a politician i must scientist and a public health person and a doctor to see how masks have gotten into this very strange place with parents and we never should allow that to happen. chris: i want to pick up on that the board of education in williamson county tennessee near nashville held a meeting on the issue of mask mandates when they were parents in the group including doctors who had kids in the school who are urging the everybody wear a mask that there be a mask mandates and i want to play the reaction, the scene in the parking lot after the meeting of the school board. here they are.
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>> we know we know we know who you are were behind you and will never you will never be allowed in public again. chris: as the head of the national institutes of health, as a person who has devoted her life to public health, what is your reaction when you see that? >> is devastating, we in this country the most advanced technological society on the planet has slipped into a space where the evidence and the basis for making decisions on facts have gotten pushed aside by politics by social media conspiracies and by this incredible depth of angering grievance that is held by so many. our future as a nation is got to revolve around coming away from that approached everything and i don't see how will solve all of
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society's problems moving in front of us and i have one thing it's not just the epidemic of covid-19 and it's an epidemic of misinformation and disinformation and distrust that is tearing us apart. chris: one of the big questions now doctor collins is whether or not all of us who got the vaccines in the first place are going to need a third shot were booster or would everyone call it because of declining protection of the vaccine over time. now you in the cdc and the top governments are saying maybe later this fall or early next year but in israel right now they are giving the third shots to everybody over 60 and starting this week they will give the shots to everybody over 50 which raises the question do they have something that we don't. >> were looking very closely at their data as well as our own,
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this is a tricky situation, let's point out on friday the cdc advisory group and the cdc director president approved a third shot for people who are immunocompromised that's a separate question, what about the rest of us were looking at this data almost daily, there is a concern that the vaccine may start to weigh in on this effectiveness over months and delta is a nasty one for us to try to deal with the combination that we may need boosters they may be beginning first with healthcare providers in nursing homes and gradually moving forward we have not made that decision yet because right now the data that we have from the u.s. says people who are vaccinated are protected even against delta when they're talking about severe disease and in could end up in the hospital if you have a vaccination in the big message right now is people who aren't vaccinated, when they
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take care of this in your sitting duck and it's looking for you. chris: you must know that there are people that did get vaccinated that there has been some studies and it might certainly be hospitalized or die but the protection from the vaccine is waning and some people got the third booster on their own in this country and either lied about or whatever. whenever you're looking what's going on in israel to pretty safe and careful country, why shouldn't you say if they're doing all do it. >> that's a question were asking closely, israel had delta hit them sumer than it did us so in a certain way the timetable were looking at, that's part of it. but also were a different kind
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of country with different situations we have increasing amount of data from the u.s. especially the next couple of weeks we will see a lot of delta in july and then will make a decision. i don't think it's right for people to jump the gun until we have the evidence were back to where we were a minute ago a nation that is supposed to make it on evidence which try to apply that. chris: finally governor desantis blames president trump for spreading covid and letting so many people with covid into the country illegally, here what governor desantis on that. >> whatever variance around the world are coming across the southern border so he is not shutting down the virus, he's helping to facilitate intercountry. chris: you talk about dealing with the facts, i minute talk
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about that part of texas a positivity rate in texas among the illegal migrants coming across the border is over 10%, how responsible are they for spreading this wave sweeping the country right now. >> is a cause of concern, they have significant masking requirements but is certainly possible, let nobody try to say that's why the u.s. is in trouble, the rate of infection in my mexico is lower than it is in places like texas and louisiana and florida, i think we have enough of a problem with their own citizens who refused to roll up their sleeves, maybe that would be a better thing to focus on if were trying to in this that seems like it's not going to get us where we need to be, it's an issue but not the cause of her current dilemma. chris: thank you for sharing part of your weekend, so is good to talk to you, please come back. >> okay, i will.
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chris: coming up will deal with our sunday group to discuss the battle of covid i
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>> cdc director rochelle walensky on guidance on how to keep school safe in the new covid wave as kids and teachers returned to the classroom, we are back with the panel, there has been a lot of talk inside the white house about getting tougher about mandating vaccines and putting the idea of coming
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off federal funds to institutions like nursing homes that get federal funds and make sure all of the people inside at least the staff, where does the idea of using federal funds as a hammer. >> certainly still under discussion and it speaks to the straddle that the white house is trying to make which on the one hand they really believe that mandate that anything that they could do to pressure people to get the vaccine is actually working and if you look at the data as more companies and the federal government has put mandates in place and see the number of vaccinations increase on the other hand, biden nose and parts of the country with really low vaccination rates which tend to be more republican leaning the idea of mandates in general and anything be pushed by the biden administration might make people more
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resistant. it's a fine balance at the joon kim stretch between using every lover that they have to try to force people to eventually get the vaccine without making a scene like biden himself is for the people to get the vaccine. chris: i want to pick up on that, president biden's poll numbers were doing very well in the spring when we were doing very well against covid and as a covid numbers have risen and we just heard doctor collins say we can see more than 200,000 new cases a day before this wave ends, his poll numbers have began to go down, how does he balance on the one hand the pusher vaccine from the push to get the covid wave under control but on the other hand in the tennessee parking lot when people start talking about mandate and even mandating masks. >> as a leader of the american
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people you have to do with right for the american people and protect and i think that is a paramount issue, to me what's the basis of the backlash against biden, the backlash would be against people with clear medical guidance and clear medical facts about the dangers by coronavirus and somehow they made getting vaccinated into a political issue. again you can go down to the drugstore right now and get vaccinated and you have to say it's a matter of people who have chosen to ignore this reality and instead made it a political issue or an act of personal defiance or focused on what they want or don't want to do or just in different. to me that's where the backlash belongs biden's going to have to deal with the politically only by asserting that you can get the vaccine, it is up to you.
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chris: we have seen strong stance by some republican governors especially desantis in florida and abbott in texas, against mask mandates and vaccines, those of the states, two of the states texas and florida, the biggest biking covid cases, how did they balance on the one hand and their calls for personal freedom and their political stand on that and on the other hand the growing public health concern in their backyards. >> that's what former director collins was referring to how this has become a bigger part of the cultural world and republicans will be best to focus on what are the incentives to get people vaccinated so we can go back to normal to more punishments. and it's an opportunity for congress to leading congress has failed last year in october and last month i cowrote to all beds who used to right for joe biden
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to mandate testing for anybody that would come to the capital, they failed to do that in the month before the vaccines anybody who's going to into the capital, they failed to do that i'm proud of mitch mcconnell putting money where his mouth is and running ads in kentucky urging people to get vaccinated but if congress can't do the job it sends a bad message in the incentives on the table that need to be really implemented for the emergent people. >> we talk so far today about afghanistan climate change, covid, pretty bleak stuff but it started as a pretty good week and a big week for president biden when the senate passed the 1 trillion-dollar infrastructure package on a big strong bipartisan vote in the u.s. senate, take a look at president biden a few days ago. >> after years and years of infrastructure were in the cups of an infrastructure decade that
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i truly believe will transform america. chris: now there's a sharp split among house democrats that it'll pass the senate among house democrats and the moderates saying they passed the senate a trillion dollars bipartisan let's pass it and get it to the president's desk and on the other hand the left-wing of the party in the house saying were not going to vote on this were gonna wait until we get the 3 trillion-dollar bill and that could take months, where does that stand? >> is a very brief moment of celebration for the white house that the problem lingers in the house where nancy pelosi can't really pick which side of the party she's going to try to appease because she needs vote the democrat margin and is still narrow and she needs to hold the entire party together to get both of the pieces of legislation through, i think
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ultimately democrats want both of these bills so badly that they will find a way out of it but getting there is really, really difficult the moderate is squeamish about the price tag and the progressives feeling this is their one chance to get through and they want commitment and democrats are not going to walk away from the bigger piece of legislation, and pelosi has a lot of navigating to keep at this big party together but i think ultimately for democrats to get out of this year with both of these bills will likely be that they will find a way it's gonna be tough getting there. chris: let's talk about how tense it is, who does need to post, the speaker need to worry about more at this point, the moderate democrats and there was nine of them that sent a letter to the leadership that passed the infrastructure bill now or the left-wing people like the squad you have to wait until the
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fall and you have to get the whole reconciliation bill 3 trillion-dollar social spending in them will vote for both, who do they need to worry about more. >> president biden speaker pelosi on the same page they both think that they want to wait for the reconciliation and they're going to do it together. but i would advise you to look back at nancy pelosi's track record here after the oe recession, people said she split between moderates and far left on the stimulus in the same issue about obamacare, cap and trade every case of pelosi a 100 batting average, 1000 batting average. chris: i was going to say 100, get you some back to the minors. thank you panel, see you next sunday up next to a power player of the week he made an iconic speech six decades ago calling tv a vast wasteland, what does tv a vast wasteland, what does he think of it
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he looked after his community. she built an empire. fought for his people. protected this nation. they are the heroes in my family. who are the heroes in yours?
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♪♪ chris: it was 60 years ago this past may that the head of the federal communications commission made a speech that started a national debate. as we first told you this
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spring, six decades hater, he's still got -- later, he's still got strong views. here's our power player of the week. >> i thought that we were wasting this extraordinary gift of technology, and we were not using it to its full potential. chris: newton minnow, president kennedy's fcc chair, on why he challenged tv broadcasters in 1961. >> keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. i can assure you what you will observe is a vast waste lan. chris: the phrase made headlines and struck a nerve. the producer of gilligan's island the boat the ss minnow. were you surprised at the reaction? if. >> i was shocked. i think it was because they were jealous of television, and they made a big fuss about it. chris: it's just one of minnow's
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brushes with history. working for adlai stevenson in 1956, minnow came up with the with the idea for televised debates with president eisenhower. >> advisers thought it would be perceived as a gimmick and many of them thought he would not do very well, so it was rejected and never even proposed. chris: minnow had some advice for a younger politician about the next election. >> i said, jack, if you are still interested, you probably could get the vice presidential nomination next time. and jack had a look at me x he said, vice president? vice president? he said, i'm going to run for president. chris: kennedy won, in no small part because of the televised debate with richard nixon. >> by a funny coincidence, my college roommate turned out to be one of the questioners, one of the panelists. chris: you're kind of the forest gump of the second after half of
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the 20th century, aren't you in laugh -- [laughter] >> i pop up in odd places. chris: in 1988 he hired a summer or intern from harvard. >> barack came to work, and his supervisor was a young woman, also a harvard law graduate, named michelle robinson. and one night jo and i went to the movies, and we ran into michelle and barack. they were out on on their very first date. chris: now at age 95 minnow is still a tv enthusiast. >> what channel shall we watch? chris: and still a critic. do you see a connection between having so many choices of television and the polarization in the country? >> yes, i do, and i particularly see it when we don't agree on facts. must know the difference between a fact and an opinion. chris: you have been at the
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center of so many key vents, and you have dealt -- events, and you have dealt with so many major figures in this country. as you look back on your life, what are your thoughts? >> i'm so devoted to this country and been so fortunate to have been involved in so many important things. and i, every day i say thank god for america. chris: minnow says the goal for television should be to serve the public interest. back in that 1961 speech, he said history will decide whether today's broadcasters employ their powerful voice to enrich the people or to debate them. debase them. now, a personal note. remember how at the start of school you had to write a paper about what you did on your summer vacationing? well, i spent the last few weeks having surgery and then recovering to remove a skin cancer from my nose. they caught it early and i'm fine, but trust me, it's no fun.
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please, please take this seriously. when you go out, wear sunscreen. and be sure to get a regular skin check. and that's it for today. have a great week and we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪. we are red-blooded americans and we don't rollover. i will see you next time on "life, liberty & levin". steve: breaking tonight the biden regime raises the terrorism threat level in america as a direct consequence of its own catastrophic gaffe gone on —- afghan chaos. there is a pro- worker profamily pro- community and always from america. with the 20th anniversary of 9/11 just days away biden throws away everything that has been spent the last two decades, trillions of dollars wasted thousands of american lives lost

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